Panthers Place QB Matt Moore and LB Dan Connor on IR
daringantt: Moore and Connor placed on IR.
Moore has a torn labrum and Conner has something broken in his hip. Wow...it is now the Jimmy Clausen show.
Update: LB Thomas Davis has also been placed on IR
over 1 year ago
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Armanti and the option....here we come!
At least that should come with an identity.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
Why not? We could absolutely not be any worse, and at least it would be interesting to watch.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Nothing would surprise me
after watching Fox bench our potential franchise QB for the emergency QB yesterday.
Id rather see Armanti out there then Pike. Pike is a big project at QB. Armanti is a playmaker hell lets see if he can QB in the NFL. this could be his only shot to get the chance. If he fails then hes back to being a convert WR
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My god where were you people 1 month ago?
The Holy Church of Armanti is open every Sunday at 1pm for Mass.
All those who have lost their faith are welcome, even Pickles.
By the way… that jersey was black before he laid his bare hand upon it.
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Put him in there...wtfn?
You’ve invested MORE in Armanti than you did in your precious emu. Think about. You did.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
"we've gotta see what we got"
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
My favorite part is that Fox has kept him inactive all but one game this week, but now magically he’s a viable option.
Would have been nice to see him take some snaps in the wildcat than throw him to the dogs… but I guess foresight hasn’t been the Panthers’ forte this season.
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Certainly not.
It has been murder on me to watch him sit or stand around the sidelines in street clothes and just watch all this. Steadfast refusal to switch things up and do something different by the Panthers.
I can only hope he gets on the field and isn’t rusty so he can actually make some plays. It’s been awhile since anyone has asked him to consistently throw the ball. I hope he actually gets some work at QB in practice this week so he isn’t totally cold going into it.
Also, I hope that work in practice is in different looks that Pike or Clausen. Formations that are designed to exploit his strengths.
Hell… I think we should take an honest look at the Pistol formation.
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remember that one chance he had?
when he missed that catch and got intercepted? Pretty sure that was his one chance in Fox’s mind. He doesn’t seem too patient with certain rookies this season.
And we see that to a fault.
It wasn’t even a good pass, and it took an extremely unlucky bounce. But to me this just proves more about Fox… he won’t let any of these guys learn from their mistakes. He just benches them and puts someone else in. That’s his solution to everything with these rookies so far this season.
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Norwood time.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I thought about him honestly...
Not sure who else to put in that position. Our LB corp is getting kinda thin… Kinda like our RB corp… and our QB corp…
I think Harris will play the weak
and Beason will go back to mike.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
We'll see I guess...
It’s about who fits better where and what the least drop off would be. Beason is clearly our best MLB, there’s no denying that. I would be stunned if he doesn’t move back to his old spot. The only reason he was moved to begin with was because Connor was so good they could afford to do it. Now I’m not so sure.
Also, it’s really more about the drop off between Anderson and the next best LB at either SLB or WLB. If we have someone (Norwood, Harris, whoever) who is clearly a better SLB than anyone else is WLB, Anderson should move over to WLB. If our next best player plays best at WLB though, it’s probably best to keep Anderson at SLB.
Basically:
MLB Beason > All
WLB Anderson = SLB Anderson
So it comes down to:
SLB Anderson + WLB Other vs. WLB Anderson + SLB Other, whichever is greater.
I hope not, but you're probably right. I'd rather see Norwood get a shot at this point.
Beason is clearly out of his element as the WILL. He’s still getting in on plays, but he’s getting beat a lot, too. Beason belongs in the middle. Anderson is great as the SAM. Who’s the backup for Beason at WILL anyway?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
not a 4-3 OLB. Just a pass-rusher.
And an oft-injured one at that. Let Nic Harris play the Will.
by jojoisthemann on Nov 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
+infinity
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Just posted it myself
feel free to delete it.
My first thought was that we need to add a veteran QB.
I can't believe he's not already there.
It’s getting ridiculous. From what we’ve heard (or not heard), I’m not expecting to see him till week 12 or 13. What’s the point? He’s not going to be in game shape and will be primed to re-injure himself. I just don’t get it.
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Feel terrible for Matt Moore
This could possibly kill his career.
Someone may take a chance on him as a backup- but it’s going to be tough now.
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Jerry Richardson and Marty Hurney
have problems. We are going to find it difficult to keep good players or attract good players the way things are going around here.
I feel 10 million kinds of bad for Matt Moore.
I’m still convinced that the talent he showed at the end of last season is NOT a fluke, and he, like many others on our team, has been a victim of circumstance this year.
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Amen
I will grant that Moore hasn’t been a consistently good QB, but it seems to me that his hurry-up offense is far better than anything else we’ve seen. And I too believe that his play last season and the game against the 49ers add up to more than a fluke.
Honestly, after the dude got a nasty concussion in the first game of the season, leaving him puking on the sidelines, and now having him on IR, the entire O-line needs a freaking lashing. In his presser last night, Fox said that the problems start at QB. No – they start with the coaches. Then when you move to the field, it is no doubt the O-line.
I get that sacks happen, but our O-line has failed miserably at every turn. It’s worse than pathetic. Any QB that they put behind that line is in serious trouble. Right now, I say go with Armanti – at least the guy can also run the ball when his line/pocket collapses. But at the same time, I’m afraid to put him in just because I think he’s the best option at QB – I don’t want him smashed into the ground 3-5 times a game.
It could also allow the Panthers to sign him for much less now....
Since he is familiar with the players, assuming any of them are still here, and if he can be had for the minimum, shoot…bring him back as a BU.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
It will be tough. He may not make it back. But, there is one QB playing today that came back
as good as ever from the torn labrum… Drew F’in Brees!
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
All i could think yesterday when Moore went down once again Clausen struggled yet again and we turned to Pike is…WHY IN THE BLUE HELL DID WE NOT SIGN VICK!!!.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Nobody knew Vick would be this good after so long. He's been impressive on the field
and, as far as i know, off the field as well. Whether one chooses to hold his past against him is entirely a mattter of personal judgement, but I’m impressed that he has remade himself. He’s even best friends with the guy who’s job he took. So, we missed on him and many others. Maybe we’ll get another shot in free agency. P.S. As my FFL QB, Vick’s been awesome.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Vick was worth the risk imo. Carolina is iffy about taking players with troubled past but with the loss of Jake and nothing but youth and inexperience on the roster he would of been a solid option to turn too.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I recall Vick naming the Panthers as his top choice, too.
But I guess the moral high ground stance combined with him being high-profile, over 30, and over the vet minimum meant there was no way.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
When you think about it...
It makes sense from his perspective to say that. Charlotte is the closest NFL city to Atlanta. Jake Delhomme has been nothing short of embattled the past few years. Add to the fact that we didn’t even have an heir apparent behind him at the time. It’s not hard to string together his logic really.
He is a FA this year and eagles are tied to Kolb. they can’t have two starting qbs. IF Vick hits FA i say open that checkbook.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I doubt the Eagles let Vick walk...
They’ll probably resign him and then trade Kolb to the Raiders or something like that.
For the right Money they have no choice. Kolb is already signed.. Better Vick plays more he will cost.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Assuming there's a CBA and salary cap, having Kolb and Vick will
be a luxury they can’t afford. Likewise, it will be like a blue light special for FAs, given how many teams didn’t spend wisely. I hate this season as much as anybody, but I don’t foresee all darkness ahead. Anybody want to pull a list of potential FAs available next year?
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I did it the other day.
It’s in a fanshot. http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/11/4/1794562/2010-11-free-agent-class
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Thanks ALAC... missed that the first time around.
Other than Vick, I don’t see much on the QB list. There are a lot of excellent players at other positions of interest, though. Much wlll depend on salary cap and FA rules in the new CBA. I have to wonder how the Ravens’ salaries tally up, as well as the JETS.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
You don't think Vick will take a team friendly contract?
I know he was declared bankrupt and all, but the Eagles have revived his career. Surely he’d show some loyalty.
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+1 and Amen.
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Not going to happen.
The Eagles are letting him go and we wouldn’t sign him if they did. Frankly, I’d be disappointed if we did. He’s never proven to be consistently good, nor has he ever been able to stay healthy. Also, I still don’t trust that he can keep his shit together. Don’t forget, he was all but accused of shooting someone at his birthday party this past offseason.
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Yes he was. I said "all but accused".
A spokesman for the Guadalajara restaurant, however, told ESPN’s Kelly Naqi that owners have turned over video surveillance that shows Vick leaving just three minutes before shots were fired.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5342532
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So he leaves three minutes before the shots are fired and you said he was accused of shooting the guy? He must be magic lol
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No, I said "all but accused".
All but = almost, nearly, close but not quite, etc. Read, then respond.
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The incident was reported ad nauseum here in Philly
The shooting victim was one Vick’s co-defendants in the dog fighting case and it was reported that Vick and his brother had a verbal confrontation with the shooting victim as they were leaving what was a birthday party that Vick was throwing for himself at the restaruant.
Everyone knows that Marcus Vick
is much more of a thug than Michael Vick.
Sad because everyone who say Marcus in high school and all of the Virginia Tech coaches say that he was more talented and could have been much better than his brother.
dude seriously? Have you seen the man play this season? He is back and better then ever. Strong Arm accurate. good reads and if the play falls threw 30 yard run. Vick didn’t shoot nobody either. guy was shot at his party. big difference
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Yes, I've seen him play.
How many games has he missed due to injury? I believe that would be 3….so far. You don’t know what happened at that party. The fact that he put himself in that situation is telling enough for me. You can love him all you want to. I don’t care for him and I don’t want him here.
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He didn’t invite him. He showed up. It was one of the guys who snitched and led for him to go to prision. Vick had no clue he was there nor did he when he left. Other peoples actions shouldn’t condemn a man. He paid his price for what he did. Im good with that. As far as him getting injured how many players in the entire NFL has got hurt? Injurys are apart of football.
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It doesn't matter.
They charged admission to that party and anyone could come. By not having a PRIVATE party and not screening the guests, he’s setting himself up for shit like this to happen. Bad decision making on his part. Yes, he paid his debt to society. I too am good with that. Do I trust him? NO, I do not. He’s just starting to experience success again. I’ll have to see how he handles it before I change my stance. As for the injuries, I’m well aware of them being a part of the game. Unfortunately for him, Vick’s style of play lends to him getting injured. It always has and it’s not going to get any better the older he gets. If he continues to play well, someone will give him a big contract. He will collect huge pay checks while missing 3-5 games per season. It won’t be the Panthers so I really don’t care.
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By not having a PRIVATE party and not screening the guests, he’s setting himself up for shit like this to happen.
That’s very close to blaming the victim mentality. Vick didn’t do anything wrong in this situation, and yet somehow it’s his fault for the situation happening?
We don't know what Vick did or didn't do.
And I certainly wouldn’t call Vick a victim here. My point is, smart people don’t put themselves in these circumstances. Given his past and the past of some of his so called “friends” he’d be better off to say “thanks but no thanks to the party”. If you can’t change the people, you should change the people around you.
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Most people thought we'd be fine on offense. How soon we forget. Moore was
coming in hot. Our o-line and RBs were top notch. We just needed a WR2, right? Easy schedule, at least 10 – 6 or 9 -7 and playoffs, remember? Oh, those were the days.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
A lot of people were never sold on Moore and from the season it was obvious the panthers weren’t either. Vick would of cost little for what his upside could of been. I think its time for fans to start pointing fingers at the real cause of this. Smith already took his shot. JR screwed us on this one. Only hope he makes up for it when all this union stuff is said and done
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+10
I am thinking about that often. And how much blame we put on experts & ‘experts’, saying many things that are happening now :(.
by SerbianPanther on Nov 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Smith on offseason moves.
“They’re coming back to haunt us,” 89 said. “It’s like trying to drag a piano with one arm and one leg.”
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Sorry Smitty, but you above all should not be throwing stones. I respect what you've done
in the past. You’ve been my favorite player for years, and still are. But you have stunk as much as anybody this year IMO.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
slow your roll Rick
Its obvious its not smitty fault he’s trying to do to much to carry our offense. at times he’s the only one for the panthers that gives a damn.
Slow... Rick's....roll?
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God the 80s were terrible...
The only thing good out of that generation was… Nintendo and my generation.
I didn't even have to look at that link to know what that was.
You know the rules. And so do I.
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I know he gives a damn, just like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHxGBH6o4M
Can’t slow my roll…
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Yup….just saw that myself. WOW! all i can say. Heres hoping Armanti looks like mini vick out there.
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Okay some cofusion
Clausen and Pike will be starters. Armanti will be emergency QB option
It might actually get us a win though.
If we’re looking for pure wins, Armanti gives us the best chance. When he drops back in the pocket, you never know when he’s going to take off and run you over.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Too bad when he drops back in the pocket...
The only place he’ll be able to run is backwards because of all the defenders coming at him.
Yeah, the options we've seen already have been tremendous.
If JC can escape the pocket, uhh, I’m pretty sure AE can, too.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly my comment was tongue-in-cheek
…and a jab at our offensive line.
But I figured even that sarcasm would be obvious.
It wasn't.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess you did.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
What a season
We’re only halfway through. Well…if nothing else, Fox & Co. will be forced to play Clausen, and give him some valuable experience.
I agree about Otah…what exactly is keeping him of the IR at this point?
Thank you, San Francisco!
It appears that
both Clausen and Pike will be counted on to start.
I think Fox is asking to be fired. We have turned into the Raiders circa 2007
When was the last time the Panthers lost a week 17 game?
It’s been a while
I remember the 44-11 loss your team gave us in 2005.
When you see a person smile, it really doesn't mean anything, unless they are smiling from within...which can be difficult to detect.
by brotherbrown on Nov 8, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Stop calling him our franchise QB!!!
Watch the joker play! He’s horrible and if that’s our “franchise qb”, then I’m taking a hiatus. I honestly think Armanti Edwards would be better. I KNOW Matt Leinhart is better. There are tons of qb’s who get drafted early that turn out to be crap. It’s not about where you draft the qb, it’s whether or not he can stand the heat. Brady was a late round pick, he became an ok qb. Clausen does not have the skillset or mindset to be successful.
Who said he was..?
Everyone qualifies Clausen with “potential” franchise QB…
Talk about a kneejerk reaction.
I imagine your user pic has nothing to do with this opinion.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
actually no
That pic was added at the beginning of the preseason, when it was pretty much stated he was our starting QB. If I had to choose between Pike, Clausen, a healthy Moore, or some qb from somewhere else…I’d take the somewhere else.
Personally, I’d take the guys we have, just with an offensive coaching staff that has the quarter necessary to buy a clue.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe with a different OC
I might think different of the situation. What I’m talking about is qb vision, mechanics, and guts. Delhomme had the mechanics and the guts but not the vision. Moore has the mechanics and guts, but also lacks vision. Clausen doesn’t have vision, guts, or good mechanics. I’ve never missed a sunday or monday of football in 25 years. I know a bad quarterback when I see it. The OC is what ruined Matt Moore, Clausen ruined Clausen.
My personal policy is to never expect anything from a rookie. There are maybe
3 or 4 out of every draft that have consistently strong seasons. It’s very rare at QB, especially with an underachieving line and rookie receivers. I don’t know if P. Manning could get points with this offense.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Just for the record, Delhomme didn’t have the mechanics. I love the guy, but he was the opposite of good mechanics.
Clausen does have good mechanics, aside from his NFL long ball needing work, which is teachable. He displayed solid vision in the preseason, although sadly it indeed has taken a hit in the regular season. I personally hope it’s just how terrible our offensive line and playcalling have been. Finally, he’ll develop guts as he gains experience. A rookie QB is always going to make the safe play. An OC/head coach with a clue, like say the ones over in St. Louis teaching Bradford, would gear the playbook towards this. Sadly, we don’t have that.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
It certainly couldn’t hurt if that Niners game was any indication.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
both men have taken a beating by literally and verbally. JR could costs and cut talent. Depth is gone at Oline and we have suffered from game one for it. You get what you put in and we didn’t do nothing but subtraction.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
What does all that have to do with anything?
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
IF JR wouldn’t of let so many Vets go we would of had the depth at Oline to give the guys the time they needed. Our line has destroyed our running game and passing game.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I can't remember any OLineman being let go. The ones we
have are the same ones who played great last year. Can’t blame J.R. for Otah being hurt. I guess I’m saying I don’t see your point, Pitbull.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
we lost Vincent who has since been cut by another team..i thought we lost another back up but i may be wrong. Either way with Otah injury prone and Vincent who played RG all of last season. I think bringing in some veteran lineman we could of turned to would of been great benefit. Although bringing in veteran WR and QB would of helped as well. Basically this offseason was all subtraction and no addition.
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I hope you are right
Aside from another poster who just can’t help but spew flames at anyone who disagrees. I think you post logical points. Good call on the delhomme mechanics. As far as the vision though, I just haven’t seen it. In college he locked on to Golden Tate and hit checkdowns. It’s the same thing here, just substitute steve smith for golden tate.
Except he could actually get Tate the ball.
I think Smith has like 5 catches on throws from JC.
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by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are a raving lunatic and an idiot
Clausen DEFINITELY has the skillset to be a good NFL QB and has been bred since day 1 to play in this league. You are out of your mind
GSO
See, I didn't name call
There are people who get trained to do stuff their whole life and still SUCK at it. Look at politicians. I could raise my son to be a musician, doesn’t mean he will sell records. Every QB gets mentored by someone…he’s called a fricken coach. I’ll have to check on this, but I’m pretty sure most NFL players played football most of their life.
He doesn't really suck at it
Considering he was the overall #1 recruit coming out of high school. And put up rediculous numbers his last year at ND with NO OLine.
yeah qualifiers
there’s been so much bashing of each other for the qb we support, you pretty much have to put a qualifier in there to cover your ass. I’ll help with the qualifier part…he’s not even a potential “Franchise” qb. he’s a backup or a fry cook.
just like Matt Moore. there both ass
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You have any actual evidence to back this up?
You might be right, but arrogant opinion proves nothing.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
for evidence see above
I’m not being arrogant. I’ve been a homer all season and supported whoever played. That circus that occurred on Sunday showed me all I need. We had a FANTASTIC draft and only 1 player was not worth his weight. I’m fairly positive…if Dez Bryant can get drafted regardless of character issues, Clausen would have gotten drafted higher if there wasn’t something else wrong with him.
this offense is butt. Our running game hasn’t showed up yet. Line has been horrible. WR still young and just now showing flashes of catching on and Smith our big play maker has been inconsistent himself. Signing off on Clausen now is extremely foolish considering what he has had to work with. Im not putting him in HOF but i sure as hell wouldn’t put him as a fry cook neither.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Ok, I was a bit harsh
I’ll give him head cashier lol. Just kidding. Truth is, I expected more from this team in general. I’m just channeling my disappointment.
The only point I am trying to make is
We just don’t know what the other 2 qb’s can do. If the season is shot, why not try the other qb’s. Win or lose, I think it would be a refreshing change of pace to see Armanti Edwards out there.
he’s not even a potential "Franchise" qb. he’s a backup or a fry cook.
You will more then likely get your wish seeing how Fox has made it clear he isn’t a Clausen guy but making your point by throwing a Rookie in a very bad situation under the bus is a little much.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I’m of the opinion that it really doesn’t matter who’s playing QB. Unless we get our O-line functioning and the play calling at least of average quality, we’re going to continue to struggle.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
yup i dont mind Pike or Armanti running around out there with they head cut off. This offense is bad and getting worse with star players dropping to injury. Id rather Pike take a beating then Clausen.
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There are 8 games left for them to share the sacks they're sure to suffer.
After Moore, with more experience than both of them combined, suffers a concussion and then a torn labrum, God help them both.
agreed
I thought the o line did a mite better this past Sunday, but I can not understand why Jeff Davidson is still here.
gonna go
I’ve been in a bad mood all day and my intentions are never to troll or upset other posters. My apologies. I promise this, I will always admit when I am wrong. If I am wrong about Clausen, I will not only admit it, but I’ll be very glad to be wrong.
Man I hit a sore button with you
You must have the Clausen speedo as your background image on your computer.
You might put your bib on, too, Mike.
You’ve been saying Clausen is our savior for months now, and knocking Moore every chance you get – yet Clausen has shown NOTHING yet.
A mite better??
How many false start penalties? How many sacks?
His sidearm motion will doom him.
Can’t get away with that in the NFL.
Doesn't for Clausen.
I recall you lambasted me for mentioning Peyton Manning in the same paragraph as Matt Moore. Don’t compare Clausen to Rivers. Ever.
You wanted Clausen with a vengeance. Now you got him. Start making up the excuses, cause he’s gonna need ’em.
You get very out of sorts when Matt Moore doesn’t play…
You said you can’t get away with sidearm motions in the NFL… I referenced Rivers who does very well with a sidearm motion. I didn’t compare Clausen to Rivers, just their throwing motion.
You’d think you tore your labrum… calm down.
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I'm pissed about all the injuries the team has suffered.
I’m pissed about all the losses the team has suffered.
I’m pissed.
I think we all are.
But lashing out at me over something like that isn’t really fair.
Clausen has plenty of problems as a QB, and nobody can determine whether those are a product of just being a rookie or deeper problems; only Jimmy Clausen can show which is the case.
I feel terrible for Matt Moore because even though I never thought he was the long term answer at QB this is a devastating situation for a guy on the final year of a contract. They’re saying post-surgery he wont be able to resume football activities until the spring, and that’s really going to hamper his ability to continue an NFL career. I really do wish him the best.
Entering 2010 we were laughing on how good the standing was at QB. Moore had come into his own, Clausen fell further than he should and Pike was a late round steal… now look at us?
All I can hope is that Clausen does develop and proves that we don’t need to be looking at Andrew Luck in April because this team has far more holes than just QB
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by James Dator on Nov 8, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, you show me that you have no idea what you are talking about
IDC if you watched “25 years of football” congrats… you still don’t know shit!
GSO
PROVE ME WRONG!
All you’ve done is regurgitate what you’ve been fed, then try to insult me. I really do think you are crushing on Clausen. Let’s see, I started watching when I was 10, I’m 35…yep 25 years. I wasn’t posting it as a one up on anybody, just stating that I have watched enough football and seen enough qb’s to state that “I” just don’t see Clausen as an NFL QB.
LOUD NOISES!!
I DON"T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
by jkp1516 on Nov 8, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, you've gotten your wish - Clausen's it by default.
Enjoy. And chill. And hope he doesn’t lay more eggs.
He's not MY QB. Moore was, who got no support from anybody else here, you included.
I’m for the Panthers’ success. I just doubt Clausen can bring it about. If he does, wonderful.
Sorry, I guess I assumed when you said you would support whoever starts I thought you meant it...
You can try to frame me as a Moore-hater all you want, but that simply is not true. You constantly bash people on this blog for not supporting Moore, yet hypocritically take the same stance against Clausen that you claim people have taken against Moore.
I have been open about what I didn’t like about Moore, just as open as I have been with Clausen. The worst thing you could say about me is that I will argue against extreme outlying views. I hold everyone accountable for the mistakes they made.
Clausen has not done well. Moore has not done any better.
And I don’t necessarily believe either is to blame for all of the things that have gone wrong.
I have a Jack Russell
and they are fast, extremely flexible, can jump really high, and turn on a dime.
Plus, they are only about a foot high, so people would have a hard time tackling one.
I would think the fact that the ball is almost as big as they are would be a problem though.
it is time to gut the coaching staff
If we see the same scheme this week, we will fail. Moore was, by far, our best vertical passer. Id even put edwards second on this list. We need spread offense plays mixed in for clausen and pike to move the chains at this point, and I do not have faith in our coaches to spot and implement this as they have refused to do it all season long.
Stubborn coaches will get these young players no positive development.
by ppalm on Nov 8, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who is the kid i the chair?
I thought he did this interview with Clausen, but that doesn’t look like him…
That's the Brown's QB isn't it?
Yeah! It’s Colt McCoy!
He should be starring in several Pro-Gun ads by now.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Say it! Channel your inner Bobby Knight.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
He did one with Clausen, Colt, and Jesus Tebow
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
ya i meant to post the clausen pic but somehow got the url mixed up. U got my point though!!! Chucky 11’ You want FA’s sign Gruden. Guy is friends with everybody
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Please not Gruden...
anyone but Gruden… I will sell lefty and eat some of James’s friend’s hot sauce to not have Gruden.
Please…
At this point, I'm at the "Anyone but John Fox and Jeff Davidson." phase.
I’m pretty convinced both would be terrible going into 2011. I just want a change, and the sooner the better.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I'm curious ace... why not Gruden?
To me he seems a good fit. Loves the game, loves teaching the game, won a Superbowl with a makeshift offense and Tampa 2 defense stocked with great young talent. I think players would want to play here if he was coach.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
The reason he won the SuperBowl was because they played the Raiders
The Raiders were running his Offense and the Bucs intercepted the Raiders 5 times. Most people today believe that the reason the Bucs were able to do that was because of all the information Gruden had on the team.
After that, what did he do? He led the Bucs down a deep hole and never really brought them out of it. They were once in the 8 years of his head coaching tenure ranked 10th on offense, their best finish, and they averaged I think 19th on Offense (18.6 or something). This coming from a coach whose offense is supposed to be a specialty, replacing a guy whose specialty was defense (and yet, Dungee’s offense averaged 17th).
He took the Bucs to the playoffs only twice in the next 7 years, finishing 1st twice (11-5, 9-7), 3rd twice (7-9, 9-7), and 4th twice (5-11, 5-12). He never won a play off game after the Super Bowl year. He was 55-57 overall as a Tampa coach (43-53 after his first year). The Bucs actually got worse under Gruden after they finally started getting their 1st and 2nd round draft picks (they traded them to Oakland to be able to hire Gruden in the first place). He has shown no ability in talent evaluation over the years (name 5 star players from the Bucs drafted by Gruden).
And honestly, I think we can find a better, younger, more complete coach elsewhere.
I agree in that I don't want Gruden.
But Gruden had to win a playoff spot, and win at least two playoff games before playing in the SB. Also, Oakland beat all the other AFC teams in the playoffs, and then TB beat Oakland.
I don’t want Gruden, either, but don’t take his accomplishments away….instead tell us what you like about people who you feel are better candidates.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Someone asked why I didn't like him
So that’s what I gave. He didn’t ask me to give a balanced, all inclusive opinion about the guy.
As for guys I do like… Honestly my front runner right now is probably still Brian Schottenheimer. He was the QB coach for the Chargers from 2002 to 2005 (working with Drew Brees and then Rivers who was drafted in 2004). He’s now the OC of the Jets and is running a very impressive offense out of there, making the most of a good ground game and decent play out of a young QB.
I also like Mike McCoy, who we all know a lot about. He was the QB coach for Jake when Jake became a pro-bowler and now he’s making Kyle Orton look like one as well.
You know what I love...
Armanti has taken 2 snaps at QB for his entire NFL career and suddenly he’s our 2nd best QB.
2nd best?
What have the others won in their life?
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
He played in that one game....and....and.....
that’s pretty much it.
(Not really his fault though. He hasn’t been given a chance to play.)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
What has Emu or Stork done in the NFL?
The answer: Sucked out loud. Let’s find out what we have in all three guys….Christ, the Panthers have invested more in Edwards than Clausen, give him a chance like the other two.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
And here I thought we were talking about Edwards...
I really have nothing to say about this that hasn’t already been said by others.
Edwards isn’t going to play QB for us. The occasional mountaineer package? Sure, but not QB.
"Armanti has taken 2 snaps at QB for his entire NFL career and suddenly he’s our 2nd best QB."
You brought up our whole QB position with this comment. I don’t think anyone can say who is or who isn’t our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best QB. What do we definitively know about any of them right now? The only thing I can say is that Clausen and Pike have been less than impressive in limited action.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hey look, a rational post!
I knew you could do it! /golfclap
In all seriousness though, I don’t think Edwards is the answer at QB, not now, not next year, not ever. If we seriously get to the point where we are starting him at QB, I will start advocating drafting a new QB next year. That’s not a knock on Edwards or anything that he did in college.
The offense as a whole has been less than impressive this entire season. I don’t think making individual decisions based on wide spread failure by everything across the board is a wise course of action.
Well?
I feel really bad for Moore right now. I didn’t know it was that serious, because yesterday when I was at the game I saw him throwing on the sidelines after the injury before being takin into the lockerroom. It really doesn’t look good for us now but at least we will now be able to really put clausen or pike under the microscope and find out if we need to take a QB with the first pick next year. I really wasn’t a real Moore supporter after his performance this season but I never didn’t expect that this would be the way he goes out this season
The fact that he was trying to throw on the sidelines, with a torn labrum, shows his toughness.
Couple that with the quick return from a concussion, earlier this year.
And did he ever get a modicum of support from the fan base here? Hell, no. It was always about the future franchise QB of the Panthers, who should get his reps, to build his experience level. Well, you guys got what you wished for.
Good luck with it. I’ll give you 3 games, and you’ll be pushing the pickle under the same bus.
Martyr, certainly not. He's not been burned at the stake, nor is he indigent.
Just saying he was tough. And that few here gave him any support when he was the starter. Can you dispute any of that?
Not fair
As I recall at first he did have alot of support. I know I supported him from the beginning and some of us even thought he could take us to the superbowl but hey thats not the way the dice rolled. As the season went on Moore started to get worse and natural that is whats going to happen when you don’t up to expectations. You act as if one supported him from the beginning which is totally not true. Clausen is even starting to lose support now and if he doesn’t show some improvement within the next few games he will suffer a similar fate as Moore did. Then you will have everyone riding Andrew Luck come this April.
I'm back to being a homer
Here’s something you guys should consider. In the presser today, John Fox said he would test Edwards out at qb. You might also like to know that Pike was in the hiesman race most of last year…http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=169390. That’s his stats and I don’t care what lvl you are playing at…that qb rating is SICK!
Two words: spread offense.
It’s the biggest drawback of Pike.
I watched him play at Cincy, and I liked the kid, but he’s gotta get the “spread offense” out of his brain before he can be a real efficient QB in the NFL.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Then run the spread here.
No disgrace to go from the shotgun. At least he’s got visibility, and doesn’t throw it sidearm like Clausen, having so many batted down at the line.
Actually, we NEED to spread the defense. This bunch up in the middle style isn’t working.
I wouldn't be opposed to running a spread offense.
I don’t care who the QB is anymore. This team is on a one-way trip to suckville, and it’s for far greater reasons than the QB play.
Hell, for all I care, they can bring Bernie Kosar out of retirement and put him in.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
link post fail. I'll post the stats
149.82 qb rating, 29 tds, 2,520 yards. No it’s not alot of yards or td’s, but he’s VERY accurate and VERY smart. He doesn’t have all the hype that surrounds some of the other qb’s, but he does have an impressive track record.
timing made that look bad
I’m with you bw, I was just posting that my link failed. I agree, but again, that can be fixed.
The question with Tony was arm-strength and build.
He doesn’t have even average NFL arm-strength, and with his frame, there is alot to hit but not much cushion to protect him. I think him being available in the 6th was indicative of those concerns. There are not many starting QBs in the NFL who look like Tony from a build standpoint.
He does have some upside, and is very accurate, just trying to figure out why he was passed on 200 times.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Without a doubt,
Because for every 1st round QB there is a Ryan Leaf, and for every 6th round there could be a Tom Brady.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly
But you have to have the threat of the deep ball, and Tony doesn’t.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
But don’t you think that we have other issues beyond QB.
Look at Matt Moore stats at the end of the year last year. QBR of close to 100. 8 TD to 2 INTs. I know that the pressure was off but the difference is so stark, it can’t be just one thing. Look at Jimmy Clausen’s stats in 2009. He was playing okay too.
You would think that the best way forward is play to the strengths of your personnel and let the rookies develop chemistry with each other. But we have not done that.
I say
We put Deangelo in and run the wildcat….oh wait….
On hearing this news Joe Dirt was quoted as saying:
“DAAAAAAAAAAANNNG”
Fox doesn’t think QB Jimmy Clausen has regressed
"I don’t think he’s regressed," Fox said. "There’s no question we’ve struggled offensively. A lot of it is who you play and when you play them. It’s just a position on offense where we’ve struggled. We need to execute better. I don’t think it’s so much physical as it is we’re just out of sorts a little bit, whether it be somebody seeing a hot read, turning the protection the right way, throwing the ball accurately – a variety of things that have occurred to us offensively, and not just at the quarterback position."
"we’re just out of sorts a little bit"
That’s a Foxism if I ever heard one.
It is to laugh.
It really is funny.
He is implying that we actually had “sorts” this season.
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This team is fucking pitiful
Disgusting.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Nov 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions
I agree with Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn
I just viewed a list of the QB’s in the UFL, man I never thought I would be happy to have a 40 year old Garica or a slightly younger D. Culpepper or even a Bollinger. Panthers are pitful and then is nobody to get. What Russel, Harrington ? PLEASE just start Pike this Sunday, give him a shot and have A. Edwards ready on alert five duty-forgive me for the Top Gun pun.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 8, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
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