Carolina Panthers Monday Morning Optimist- 11/8/10
by James Dator on Nov 8, 2010 8:00 AM EST
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Good morning Panther faithful. This morning I sit writing the MMO much as I usually do after a terrible loss- headphones securely fastened to my head being lulled into submission by the dulcet tones of sexual innuendo courtesy of The Bloodhound Gang; I don't know why... but it just seems to help on mornings like this.
But... I digress. What an ugly steaming load that game was eh? If you never saw the game, or never saw a box score and I told you that you would take the already terrible Carolina Panthers offense, injure two running backs, have a carousel of QBs using three and Steve Smith caught 1 pass for 9 yards then how would you think the game went? You might answer something akin to 'massacre' and you would be right. In the 34-3 drubbing the Panthers mustered only 68 passing yards after sacks... yes it was that bad.
What's worse is that the disconnect I talked about last week with the Panthers not realizing the personnel they have is far worse than imagined. There is now a clear disconnect between what the coaching staff wants and what the organization wants. I say this because even when you're in 'Let's win now mode' like the 2010 coaching staff are then benching Jimmy Clausen for your emergency third string QB is not a move that is conducive to development... it's a move that equates to flipping the bird to the GM and owner; it's a move that says you don't care what is best for the team you care about proving a point back for this losing schedule. It's the same thinking that's keeping Armanti Edwards in street clothes each week.
Want more proof that Fox has given up? He's being sarcastic and esoteric for the first time; when asked if Moore would start if healthy:
"unless we go to the wishbone offense"
Yep.. that sure sounds like a guy taking his job seriously. Let's break down the rest of the monstrosity after the jump...
Because there's really not that much good to talk about from Sunday's game let's play a game called:
"Choose your own adventure- Panthers quarterbacks"
C'mon... it'll be fun. Basically choose the option that fits your opinion best and follow the numbered answer to get your result.
- Matt Moore was the best QB on Sunday. Much better than Clausen and Pike (Read option 1)
- Jimmy Clausen was the best QB on Sunday. Much better than Moore and Pike (Read option 1)
- Tony Pike was the best QB on Sunday. Much better than Moore and Clausen (Read option 2)
- All of the QBs were crap. We're doomed... (Read option 3)
- All the QBs were fine. The problem is just execution (Read option 4)
Option 1: You're kidding yourself
Option 2: You're getting closer... but you don't have very high standards
Option 3: C'mon... it could be worse. We could be dead!
Option 4: I didn't know you read CSR Coach Fox!
See... wasn't that fun? Really though this illuminates the problems with the Carolina Panthers. People are still willing to blame the QB solely for a loss. When Moore struggles, then Clausen struggles, then Pike struggles (yet we're excited because he completed 50% and didn't turn it over) it shows that no QB with the rest of this offense can succeed. I saw lots of cries of "Clausen is never going to be any good" but really, can we fairly evaluate any player with the rest of this offense around them? Lest we forget 2006.... I remember fondly people saying DeAngelo Williams was never going to amount to anything after having early struggles; same people have his jersey hanging in their closet now.
Point is, unless you think the Panthers are done as a franchise based on 2010 then how can you say a single player is done based on 2010?
Anyways, let's try and pull something out of this game shall we?
Optimistic
Jason Baker- Extremely Optimistic: Baker boomed it all day. 47 yard punt average with a long of 52. Baker had great day punting.
James Anderson- Extremely Optimistic: Added another 9 tackles and played hard all game.
Jonathan Stewart (pre-injury)- Extremely Optimistic: Played really well until he was knocked out.
Jordan Pugh- Extremely Optimistic: Great day returning the ball averaging 28 per return.
Tyrell Sutton- Somewhat Optimistic: Nice 32 yard carry, but followed with 6 carries for 9 yards.
Tony Pike- Somewhat Optimistic: Performed well at the end of the game in a bad situation. But still, let's temper too much enthusiasm. He was still 6/12 for 47 yards and a rating of 60.1.
Jordan Senn- Hilariously Optimstic: I had to give a shout out for the fake punt, and the ensuing effort to get the 1st down.
Pessimistic
We're doing this roll call style because I can't bear to write more about the ugliness on Sunday
Extremely: Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Steve Smith, Gary Barnidge, Richard Marshall, Charles Godfrey
Somewhat: Captain Munnerlyn, Everette Brown, Mike Goodson, John Kasay
Overall Outlook
What do you expect will happen next week to with the Bucs? Is next week going to be the time the 1-7 Panthers put it all together? Unlikely.
I would like to see the Panthers use this time to get the young guys prepared; but that's as unlikely as the team putting it all together. Can we play San Francisco every week?
15% Optimistic about the Panthers
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I too find it hilarious that people are pummeling Clausen, or any QB for that matter, on this team right now. To start, the Niners game was the only one where we had a coherent gameplan and the offensive line was actually doing its job.
Secondly, Clausen came in with one running back, as I recall. One! Only a Peyton Manning will succeed in that situation.
You mean to say...
that the 49ers game was the only time where our gameplan works (because it doesn’t change from week to week).
"Mom & Dad, this is Chasey. Chasey, this is my Mom & Dad..."
I’ll say it again: God BLESS our defense. They will win us a few more games.
Thank you, San Francisco!
i just hope they wake up come draft time and get Andrew Luck or Jake Locker. I just dont think Clausen has what it takes to make it. And if they dont draft a QB then i hope either Clause or Pike prove me wrong
I don't think its distinguishable in this offense whether he can make it or not
So I still have some hope in him, but I do think its smart to take another QB if we have a high draft pick and let them compete for the job in 2011. If we don’t, we’d be making the exact same mistake we did when we let go of Jake and kept Moore as our only returning QB.
We've got to be sure to fix the QB position...
though I agree our problems are much larger than one position. With a rookie salary scale in place JR will not have the ‘high salary’ excuse to keep us from fully considering taking one of several highly-rated QBs in this draft class. I’m not saying either Moore, Clausen or Pike will not be NFL caliber QBs at some point in the future but if there is any doubt then we need to draft one.
I thought it over a bit, and here's my thoughts after a bit of stewing
I think if Clausen and Pike manage to show some promise for the future this season (even under these terrible circumstances), we’ve got a high chance one of them is our QB of the future. If we have a high draft pick, trade down and take offensive lineman, DT, and/or a CB to replace Marshall. Sign a proven vet QB in FA to act as a mentor and backup for our young QBs as insurance.
However, if Clausen and Pike don’t show any improvement through the end of the season and appear to possibly be regressing even more or giving up, then you take the chance with a high pick QB like Luck and try to sign lineman or coach them up.
what about Vick
so many people had so much hate for vick like he has always sucked, but he never sucked. he never threw the ball in the past lik he’ doing this year, so people who have been wanting to bring in vick, like me, really didn’t expect him to play this well.
either way, trade for vick, and draft the best OL available.
Vick's playing well because Reid is a fantastic developer of QBs.
Plus that system is super, super, QB friendly.
There’s a part of me that enjoys seeing Vick play well. I think that’s the part that’s happy he’s out of the NFC South.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I have to admit
Vick is looking like the player he should have been. And to think, he achieved that after two years out of football, partially in a penitentiary! Can you blame anyone who had doubts?
by Flowing Willow on Nov 8, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you're going to talk about Vick,
why not let Edwards play?
by panthersnbraves on Nov 9, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
You're absolutely right.
He’s not Vick. He’s not a dog-killer who profited from an illegal gambling ring fueled by the vicious treatment of animals.
I’m glad he’s not Vick.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
All snark aside, DT has a point when it comes to the player
Vick is significantly bigger than Edwards. Its hard to put in perspective how much height matters in the NFL with the camera views we’re given of the field. Next time they use the mid-field overhead cam, look how hard it is to spot receivers behind the line. Then realize the camera is 10 feet above the QB’s head. Edwards at QB requires much more unconventional o-line blocking that Vick ever will, because Vick stands half a head taller than Edwards and can see over lineman.
I still think
Pike should be given a fair shot. As James said, he did a good job at the end of the game in the situation that was given to him. I’m not saying he’s our Peyton Manning, but it won’t hurt to start him now. This season is done and we need to evaluate all of our talent to see if we as Panther fans can start getting excited about a certain player, or start hoping for another player in the draft.
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In my opinion....
They put Pike in so that he could get some NFL game time in the event Moore’s injury keeps him out next week. If so, Clausen and Pike might be our #1 and #2 QB’s next week and I think they would like for Pike to have taken some real NFL snaps. Honestly, I think that they are considering activating Edwards at QB and switching to an option style offense. Unlike James, I don’t think Fox was being a smart ass when he made those comments in his post game presser.
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You know what's funny?
The offense would be more effective.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
Lol.
Is that how he sounds? I’d die if that’s what he said. Lol.
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by ALAC on Nov 8, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's internet jargon
google for “I can haz” and you’ll come up with a lot of funny pictures, mostly involving cats.
WTF is up with that? Cats?
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It's from the original "I can haz cheeseburger" picture
After that, it exploded into all that internet glory.
I'm just surprised that the whole LOLcats thing passed anyone by...
Seriously, ALAC might be the first. Consider yourself smarter because of it.
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I guess I'm too old.
and/or was out of the loop at that time. I’m clueless to it. I think I’m glad.
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“Fox said third-round pick Armanti Edwards, a college quarterback at Appalachian State who had been converted to receiver, would get some snaps at QB in practice this week.”
So you’re tellin’ me there’s a chance?!??!?!?!!!!!!! I hate that this is the result of injury (as I wish injury upon no one) but my day has been made.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
True.
Although, that’s not saying much.
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by ALAC on Nov 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they switch to an option style offence I will murder Fox.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
because we've got such a good thing going now
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lol...my thoughts exactly.
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0% Optimistic here
TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE…UGLY UGLY UGLY
I’m dazed, I’m confused, I don’t know what to expect or even what to wish for next week. I can’t think draft or future right now. I hate losing and need to win now….at least I think so….maybe.
Hey
at least we’re not going 0-16 this season. Gotta start finding positive things and going right on up from there. It’s rough yes, but we’ll work thing out eventually. Right now one thing I’d want is to give the entire o-line(minus Kalil) their pink slips and try to build an entirely new offensive line.
Superbowl Champs 2010!!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t think you wanna get rid of Gross or Wharton.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
As many
False start penalties that Gross has been guilty of that have stopped good drives….but, honestly I say it out of frustration for how the O-Line as a whole has played the entire season.
Superbowl Champs 2010!!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
False starts
apparently are on the rise this year NFL wide… according to one of the talking heads commentating on a Panther game a few weeks ago, moving the REF to the other side of the line improved their view of the O-line and they’re calling more false starts…
That doesn’t take away from Gross though; he’s usually bad about them but not THIS bad.
I agree.
I was expecting more holding call too though. Haven’t really seen a rise in them.
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With Gross, you take the good with the bad unfortunately.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
One for him, too.
2 False Starts on your center, and 2 sacks from the man he was supposed to block? Not acceptable. Looks like he’s only 1/2 trying now.
It makes me sick
That nobody has been held accountable for this train wreck of a season. The comment from Fox is ridiculous. I think there is a lot of talent on this team and the fact that we have tried numerous different personnel at different positions in the past 2 years tells me that the coaching staff is not getting the job done. Our offense looks like a college team playing a pro defense. 4 QB’s (Delhomme, Moore, Clausen, Pike), numerous receivers (Smith, Lafell, Gettis, Clowney and numerous others), multiple different offensive line arrangements and our offense still stinks, easily the worst in the league and not one person has been held accountable. Obviously our offensive coaching staff is not getting our players prepared for the game. Worst part is, is that are installing a terrible mentality in our young players. Somebody must be held accountable for this mess.
Yea
I’ve always liked Fox, but he’s officially checked out and really doesn’t give a crap anymore!
Superbowl Champs 2010!!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
accountability
i hear you on this one. in minnesota and dallas, the owners’ perspectives are in full view. does anyone know if richardson has watched any games. i mean, there is no vote of confidence for fox, and no criticism either. it’s like everyone knows this is his last year, and usually when a coach is going, most of the players go, too, because the new coach wants to clean house and bring in his guys. when vermeil took the rams to the superbowl in his third season with the team, i think only about 5 guys were left from when he got there. the difference for us is the list of guys we have is pretty nice for a new coach…gross, otah, kalil, stewart, gamble, pugh, goodson, martin, rosario, beason, connor, davis, anderson, smitty, lafell, gettis and sutton. i figure the next guy comes in, drafts a QB first, and has this group in the playoffs next year.
you think meeks is getting pissed watching the offense stink it up?
by usana_gaines on Nov 8, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
The playoffs
next year would only be due to the easiest NFL schedule imaginable…
It would be a second trip to the playoffs the following year that would be the litmus test of a new coach.
TV usually shows Richardson in his box during home games.
Didn’t see that this time. Hmmm.
He was there, I got a clear view
as the rest of the fans cleared out. Of course I booed him, but I wish I would have told him he needs to get his old heart back.
by parkershawn2001 on Nov 8, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Taking shots at JR isn't cool...
He did bring this franchise to the Carolina’s in the first place.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
That's not cool man...
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One worry on Defense
As much as they have done this year, I was worried why no one seemed to be covering the Slant from the right side. After the third or fourth time, something should have been done – either shuffle personnel, or pull some goofyness and drop the DT back and see if he can swat it…. somethign…
I LIKED PIKE !!
Granted, he only played a quarter , BUT, he looked like, reacted like a NFL QB should look. He showed some real demeanor – which is a whole lot more than I can say about the other 2. I’d like to see him start a game and see if that demeanor is really there – - who knows, sure would be nice if it was !!!!
Jim
This was also when the Saints had gone into “let them catch it and make sure they don’t get out of bounds” mode.
I think all 3 QB’s can play, they just don’t have the coaches to put them in the right situation.
I agree with GG
I think Pike should be given a fair chance. This season, as much as it pains me to say, is over. Once they stop trying to kid themselves and let go of Fox and Davidson and have an intern Coach step in, they can start putting in players to evaluate the talent that this team really has.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe he should, but his play at the end of the 4th was not really as good as the numbers suggest
Almost all of his passes were check-downs against a prevent 5/6 DB lineup. His deep throws (and by deep I mean 15-20 yards) were pretty ugly. Given our offense doesn’t adjust and won’t play to his strengths, it is not safe to start him in a regular game where we only throw vertical. It really looks like his arm strength has improved since preseason, but he still needs more time. I think he’d be better evaluated in 2011 preseason after more conditioning.
I'm
Just glad that we got to see him and the improvement(though slight) he’s gone through. I really believe that he can be a starting QB in this league, i mean, how awesome would it be to have a 6’6 QB surveying the field with ease.
Superbowl Champs 2010!!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Works for Joe Flacco
…but then he’s got a howitzer for an arm
Pike's
Arm Strength seemed to be improved when he went out and played. Not a HUGE improvement but it’s a start. I’ve still got hope for the guy.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 8, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what to say anymore. I try to laugh at it, but it isn’t really funny to watch like the bills are. We are just inanely idiotic, running the same crap every single damned series. I just get so pissed off watching us play.
Why hasn’t anyone been axed yet for this shit? WHY?I’d expect jerry jones to be an idiot and keep phillips in dallas because he is a moron. But why are we still dragging fox and davidson around????
I swear it better not be like the Delhomme situation, where “he was like family, and we just couldn’t do it in the middle of the season and disrespect him.” I will hold a grude against JR if that is the f’in case.
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After Fox's press conference at the end of the game
I think if you’re Richardson you need to stand up and lay down the hammer immediately. You can’t have a coach being openly cynical in the media. He sounds like he couldn’t care less about the future of the Panthers franchise, and that is something you cannot allow, not to mention his steadfast adherence to a game plan that has NEVER worked this season. The fact that nothing new is being done about it is a slap in the face to me as a fan, and should be viewed as a slap in the face to the ownership.
Fox needs to go. Right now. Make Ron Meeks interim head coach. It is necessary. I’ve never advocated cutting a coach mid season, but when they are openly defying the goals of the team, it is time to cut bait.
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I hear what you're saying,
but what was he given to work with?
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
Never said I don't agree with him
But even the parts of the team that should have been solid have fallen to pieces, and not just now when the season is lost. It started in week 1 for the offensive line and the running game.
My statements really revolve around calling out the front office when you are under their employ. It’s just something you don’t do unless you want to be shown the door.
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I understand
But put yourself in his shoes. Wouldn’t you be pissed?
This season, because of JR and MH, could severely damage his future hire-ability/career.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I would be pissed too if what he is letting on about is true
So why even try and co-exist?
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I don't know.
Money? Fox isn’t going to leave the pro-rated amount of that 6.5M on the table, and Jerry doesn’t want to pay Fox and someone else to be the “HC.”
Let it play out. If nothing else, Tater, it’ll be entertaining.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why, because he's been exposed as a coach that needs superior talent to win?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I don't agree
He has won 8 games with teams that had no business winning 5.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
2002?
Won seven with a team just off a 1-15 year. Went to the Super Bowl the year after that. 2004? Fox used to be a good fit for us, his time is just up.
by Flowing Willow on Nov 8, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Fox is a great coach but all good things must come to an end. It’s the waning part of the relationship where you both know it’s not going to work out, you’re just waiting for the right time to end it and move on.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
Why not?
This season is shot, so it is time to try different approaches. I would like to see both Pike and Edwards start the next two games just to actually evaluate them. I know some of you will roll over in your graves at that thought, but they can’t stink it up anymore than Moore or Clausen. One odd thing I was talking to my brother at the beginning at the season (he is not a Panthers fan at all) and he told me then that Pike would end up at QB before the year was up. I also think John Fox is thumbing his nose at Hurney and Richardson because he thinks they are blaming this whole mess on him. One last point " Davidson has to go with Fox" without a doubt.
a crappy loss.......
and a crappy article to go along with it. I watched the John Fox presser. Other than being obviously agitated I didn’t see anything that would suggest that he “quit caring”. He has never been a media darling. He gets short with the journalists almost every week because they basically ask him the same questions. He always acts as if he doesn’t want to be there in the press room. Also, he actually said that they aren’t quitting, and they have half a season to work to better themselves.
mostly yes
perfrect word to describe it. I think Fox would like to win, he cares, he needs to keep his credibility as respectable as he can. It’s hard to work with what management has given him, and only has one year to do something with it. No one knows what the future will bring, but if anything, I think Fox is trying to win and wants to. At least trying would look good on his resume since the rest of the league has probably figured out the pickle he’s in. Yes, I know, he’s conservative and the game plans and play calling has been apart of the overall poor game performances, but I think his attitude was just more of being upset and more sarcastic [than usual] more so than jumping to the huge conclusion by saying he gave up or whatever.
Maybe he did, just don’t think we all need to react all emotionally and start spreading rumors when there isn’t much validity to them. He could just be sick of hearing about which qb he’s going to go with every week. I know I would be. Anyway, just sayin…
perhaps...
if what James and some of the others say is true, that he has quit caring, maybe it’s because he might have a job lined up already, something unofficial and on the down low? Just an assumption to go along with an assumption…. that would be enough reason to quit caring about this year though.
I agree with tour assessment.
Way too much mind-reading going on here.
Fox has shown a lot of animation, and emotional involvement, on the sidelines. Not like a coach who’s given up.
Best part of the day
was when I called into the radio show :P Thanks for that, jaxon and james! I was quite drunk, quite happy ;)
I sounded sober because I didn't want to sound like an ass :P
Will call again next week, for sure. This is my window to REAL fame! I’m gonna make it big!!
by scatterbrain on Nov 8, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not liking Fox right now...
I thought Pike did relatively well, but apparently he did “not so good”… That’s NOT what a coach should be saying about any rookie player who didn’t throw an interception or fumble… Very discouraging personnel and coaches.
Pike did fine given the situation he walked in to
He’s still miles away from making a meaningful NFL contribution as I see it. Pike is going through the natural growing pains any spread offense QB has to go through. He still looks uncoordinated in his back pedal, uncomfortable in the pocket and still needs to work on his arm strength.
That being said, yesterday showed why Pike is a valuable pick. You’re right- he came in and didn’t turn the ball over which is all a backup QB should do for you. You should never have to rely on them to win you the game, but you should count on them not losing it for you either.
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I'm not calling for Pike to be starter
But I am calling for the termination of this discouraging coach. It couldn’t be any more apparent that he doesn’t like his 2nd and 3rd QB, which translates to: The coach does not like his players. Cut him, this week.
And I agree with your point below, about not putting Meeks in HC role… I want him around next year.
And one question: what has to happen for J.R. to leave?
by scatterbrain on Nov 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Leave as in sell the team?
I don’t see it happening.
Richardson will die as the patriarch of the Carolina Panthers, I’m as sure of that as I am anything. What will happen with the team after he is gone is anyone’s guess just because of how erratic his sons are, but I have faith JR will have built something into his will to secure the team as long as possible.
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Ahhh, didn't realize he'd have to sell the team
That’s why I’m writing here now, to clear these misconceptions :P
At least Jerry Jones for the Cowboys is being vocal, talking and showing his face… Where the Hell is JR? I don’t think I have even seen an image of him this season, maybe just in passing at home games?? Did they show him on the air yesterday, in a box or anywhere?
by scatterbrain on Nov 8, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I'm trying to understand what you mean by 'leave'
Richardson owns the team and is a fairly hands off owner. He tends to hire people and let them have carte blanche. He’s not a Jerry Jones, Al Davis or Dan Snyder type who’s going to get involved.
Ultimately I think that’s more of a blessing than a curse, because more often than not over involved owners are bad for a team.
He’s in his owner’s box for all the home games.
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“It couldn’t be any more apparent that he doesn’t like his 2nd and 3rd QB, which translates to: The coach does not like his players.”
It certainly is apparent that John Fox does not like what he sees in Jimmy Clausen. Question is whether the organization shares that view or is it a case of Fox going rogue.
I'm of the mind John Fox had little or no involvement in the 2010 draft
It was so foreign to anything don’t before one wonders if it was Hurney and the scouts going 100% BPA to get the best personnel they could into Charlotte for the next head coach.
The absenteeism post draft, coupled with the disdain he seems to have for a lot of the rookies indicate these were not John Fox players.
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Ya really think so? Fox was handed the players and they weren’t his choice? If so, then why not just let him walk away? Why even allow him in the facility?
They tried to let him leave.
Remember, JR was willing to let Fox take any job and release him from the last year of his contract. I think he didn’t want to spend the money paying two coaches, and didn’t anticipate Fox would be a detriment to the team this year.
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I don't think anyone saw Fox being a detriment.
I figured he would be professional and just keep his “it is what it is” outlook on life and coach the rest of this year and then go find another job. I never would have imagined he would turn this season into a big eff you to JR for not extending his contract.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Yes, but IMO there was also a larger statement being made by Fox in benching Clausen for the emergency QB.
Look, he knew Moore was hurt, and that the game was out of hand.
He therefore knew Pike would be activated next week as the backup. He was being forthright to say that Pike needed some game experience, in a no pressure situation, before possibly having to go in, in the future.
Too much being read into it. That was good coaching. He’s been dealt a terrible hand (more like foot, in poker parlance), and he’s trying to deal with it the best he can.
by bigdavis on Nov 8, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know Big D,
My read is that Fox is really down on Clausen. I wouldn’t be surprised to Pike get the start against the Bucs.
More of painful.
Grotesque. Awful. Sickening. Disgusting. All the emotions invoked when you see Pike attempt to throw more than 20 yards.
by Flowing Willow on Nov 8, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
It may be!
But at least we would know! Nothing else to gain from this season :).
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
Clausen's development?
But I guess that could apply to Pike as well.
by Flowing Willow on Nov 9, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
No, No. I'm the one who's down on Clausen.
Fox will start him at TB.
"uncomfortable in the pocket"
After watching all of the games from the sidelines, and seeing the jail-break offensive line that we have, wouldn’t anyone look uncomfortable in our backfield? maybe even a tad bit freightened, seeing the abuse Moore and Claussen have taken all season long… I’d a been- like- dude, seriously? man, allright…but my healthcare coverage better be payed up- like up to date and serious…
We need a QB from Penn State?
Just a thought with this spread offense…any similarity to the Spread HD Offense employed by Penn State?
From Steve Reed via Twitter:
Opinion: Honestly, what’s the point of keeping John Fox around right now? It’s time for he and the Panthers to part. Pay him and let him go.
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by James Dator on Nov 8, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I say let Davidson take over
Simply because ‘If it aint broke, don’t fix it’.
If Meeks takes over and is a horrible HC then it sullies his reputation as a DC. I hope whoever the new coach is likes Meek’s scheme enough to keep him in Carolina.
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I would shit myself if Davidson took over...
and suddenly, the light went on, and we start scoring 30+ PPG.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
+1...that would be a huge surprise
and how many of us would be eating some crow? But hey, if Davidson is truly a candidate for the job why not? Give him 8 games to make a case.
Just putting it out there
One of the main reasons myself and others have touted Mike McCoy of Denver is the amazing work he’s done with Kyle Orton for the Broncos.
Lest we forget that it was Davidson who turned Derek Anderson into a probowler in Cleveland.
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Right now, I say why not....
We have nothing to lose. We’re 1-7, and are about to face Tampa, who are one of the better teams in the NFC. We’re gonna be 1-8 after next week, so why not let Davidson take over and see if he can do anything.
The season is exactly 1/2 over … it’s time to cut the dead weight (Fox) and see what we have going forward.
You never know … Davidson could, in some alternate universe, be a good HC, and we could just bring in a new OC.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Well, I think it's best we find out what Jeff Davidson has to bring to the team now rather than later.
Look at it this way. On one hand, you have Jeff Davidson taking over the team. John Fox has been taken out of the equation, and you can be sure that the plays on offense are 100% Jeff Davidson and no one else involved.You live out the last 8 games of the season with him as the head coach, and if there is a failure in the W/L column you go into full rebuilding mode and hire altogether new guys.
On the other hand, you have Jeff Davidson taking over a 2011 team with fresh memories of the failure of last season still fresh in their minds. This is a situation we need to avoid, because it could lead to a disastrous season.
Then the Earth blows up in 2012, so we might not have another chance.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
On the other hand, you have Jeff Davidson taking over a 2011 team with fresh memories of the failure of last season still fresh in their minds.
Easy solution: Blame Fox. Davidson comes into camp with the “we don’t have the restrictions we had last year” message, and the team responds to the new philosophy.
Then the Earth blows up in 2012, so we might not have another chance.
Shit, I forgot about that. Quick, hire Gruden now!
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Nov 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's brought a warm mess to the table.
All year, we’ve been crying about the bad play-calling. When did it get any better?
Frankly, I think it’s Fox who’s getting all the undeserved blame here.
Big Daddy, with all due respect, I blame Fox for only one thing...
and that’s his not so subtle jabs at J.R. for not bringing in free agent talent. I find that unfair and insubordinate.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Was it that, or the "personnel" dep't getting rid of Delhomme, Hoover, and Moose?
I don’t recall Fox ever lobbying for any FAs.
Davidson
Rewarding Davidson with the interm headcoaching job would underscore the fact that personnel really is the problem with the Panthers. There are highschool football coaches with better offensive play calling skills than that guy.
I’m probably the only one saying it but Hurney needs to go along with Fox.
I’m probably the only one saying it but Hurney needs to go along with Fox.
DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Jon Beason, Ryan Kalil, and Jordan Gross all disagree with you.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Dwayne Jarrett, Armanti Edwards (trade)
, Everette Brown (trade), Tank Tyler (trade), Louis Leonard (trade), Eric Shelton….I can go on
You can’t use Armanti or Brown, because it’s too early to tell.
Jarrett, I’ll give you. Shelton, the same.
But for those moves, there are others that are equally as good.
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Stop sipping the Kool-Aid. A 2nd Round draft pick for Edwards when he would have gone 6th round at best?? Or better yet how many seasons has it been without him fixing the Wide Receiever and Defensive Tackle issues with quality players??
There was talk that the Colts were taking him in 5 more picks
That’s why we traded up
I remain hopeful that AE will be outplaying 2011 2nd round receivers for the entirety of their career
When you look at it in that light and realize he was taken as a project who wasn’t expected to produce this year, there’s a lot of reason for optimism. He’s already shown flashes at receiver in preseason and potential in his limited time at wildcat QB. Your heavy-handed pessimism reeks of bias or unwarranted flat out hatred.
Completely disagree...
Was more of a pick of potential than immediate talent. Though, A.E. has great, great talents. He’s a variable, rather than in a fixed position.
It's true, he is a variable, and will remain so until he sees some playing time.
I’m not an App guy or anything, but I’m very curious about what he can bring, though he has to be given some time. As for the “cost” of a 2nd for 2011 draft, consider that there will likely not be a CBA in place when the draft happens. Few underclassmen will risk their eligibility. I consider a 2nd round 2011 pick equates to perhaps a 4th rounder in an average draft.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Just like we should have let Smith go too, right?
Yeah, I’d like to see what people thought of that pick. The guy that was too little to play in the NFL.
I honestly don’t understand how someone can justify, to themselves, the judgement of a rookie. You can forget trying to convince (most of) us of that judgement. We’ll wait and see.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
Not sipping any Kool-Aid.
I switched to Vodka after yesterday’s game.
Hurney has made plenty of great moves in his time here. Sure, he’s missed on picks (all GM’s have done that, btw) — but he’s done much more good than harm.
And Armanti would be lighting it up for the Colts right now. It’s not his fault we have a head coach with a dinosaur offensive philosophy.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Seriously doubt that Polian would have traded away a future 2nd rounder (which generally means a starting caliber player) for Edwards.
He wouldn't have had to trade a 2nd rounder.
They were going to draft him with their 3rd round pick. That’s why we traded to get him. We had to get in front of Indy, because they were going to draft him 5 picks after we did in the 3rd round.
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My point is...
It was a bad move like neglecting wide receiver for 5 odd seasons.
Your point is...
supported with incorrect information.
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Matter of Opinion right now but...
A couple years down the road…Edwards could end up being a pro-bowler…I would be the farm against it.
Old article but it tells it like it is:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/10/18/panthers-going-nowhere-fast
That article is a rant, nothing more... of course it will sway moods with such trash talk...
“They have a young roster, and if you are going to play young, you better have a strong coaching staff that is invested. "
that is all that matters in what I read. This coaching staff has not come up with good plays to utilize this young crew, and more importantly, they are not being molded, developed. Gettis has not improved, and I definitely blame him for his plays, but where are the adjustments? The tips?
I can only merit that comment about the Colts not because of P. Manning, but because of the coaching crew at Indy. Carolina is quite a young team, with few men to grab the reigns. This is the end of an era for Panthers, and I can only hope that JR can handle this whole process. He needs to prove himself, rebirth, etc. Sorry for being long… but you just aren’t a good person to talk about this team with.
His point is supported with ignorant misgivings...
“And Armanti would be lighting it up for the Colts right now.”
Hahaha, where was that talent at the beginning of season when we needed sure hands? Maybe Fox thought Edwards was DJ Hackett come back with long braids? Or am I being ignorant?
Didn't we draft Jarrett three years ago?
Plus we brought back Moose to compliment Smith, which worked pretty well.
At the time we had other pressing needs. This off season clearly it was the #1 priority so we addressed it.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Nobody bats 1.000 in the drafting business.
Hurney’s done a great job, on balance, there.
I don't look at the Panthers and think there's a lack of talent.
The GM and the College Scouting Director do a terrific job.
The problem is the shocking coaching these players are subjected to.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Well
Without being too big of an A-hole….I hope you don’t have aspirations to work in NFL scouting.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with OldhamA before but there’s a first for everything. There’s no way anyone can say our drafts have been anything less than good, most great, realistically and without bias. If we’re expecting our all of our 6th rounders to be pro bowlers in their first season, I guess no one will meet expectations but back in the real world, we have done well above average.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
OK, let me clarify
The title of his comment was really what I was talking about….“I don’t look at the Panthers and think there’s a lack of talent.”
There are missing pieces, and several of them.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 9, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
The idea that the Panthers draft well didn't happen until after 2005
2005, we blew it. Thomas Davis was the only star from that draft. We also selected Geoff Hangartner and Adam Seward, but Davis has been the only full-time starter out of the group.
It wasn’t until 2006 that we really started hitting the jackpot in the lottery (4 of the 8 are still starting for us).
I think I would just laugh for days.
I don’t know how else to react to something like that.
by The Duke Dude on Nov 8, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Head explode?
World ends a few years early?
by Flowing Willow on Nov 8, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sad thing is...
This young team we have that management has touted all year will probably never be effective as assembled. You just can’t hit a button and erase the memories that those players will take away in the future with them. Once you get used to losing(or quitting, as I feel some have), it’s difficult to turn that around. If you don’t believe me, ask the Ghost of Vince Lombardi.
I think we need to face the facts. With 7 losses, the season is over.
A lot of the names we have grown familiar with on this team are no longer as good as we thought they were. There is an incredible lack of leadership on this team. Even throughout all the losses, no one is stepping up and saying “This is what we’ve got to do, let’s go get it done.” We’ve got no one taking blame for the loss, everyone pointing fingers at each other.
All we’ve got is John Fox running around going “The problem is execution! Being 1-7 is better than being 1-15.”
If I was the owner, I would realize this and go around and start rebuilding the team. Call up Bill Cowher and interested coordinators throughout the league and start interviewing people. And when the time comes, fire John Fox, fire Jeff Davidson. Give the head coach a chance to finish the season on a high note and give us a chance of making a push for the playoffs in 2011.
I remember a long time ago a player named Jake Delhomme played here. I remember we all hated him. But there was always one thing I admired. Whenever the team did bad, sometimes terribly, you could always count on Jake Delhomme to jump on the grenades and take the media blows for the team. Some may call that weakness, I would call that true leadership. I would call it “Taking responsibility.”
Who is taking responsibility for the team’s failures now?
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Hmmm
1) John Fox is saying that they’re not good. He’s not putting any optimism into the team this week.
2) With 6 loses, going against New Orleans, I knew our season was over. But we could still put out a few wins, maybe. Better plays… mix it up. I’m all for Edwards getting a few snaps at practice now that I’ve seen all 3 QBs go through a game in such an ineffective way.
3) Fire Fox. If Davidson can’t prove himself with better grips on the play-calling reigns, then fire him at the end of the season. See if J.D. can do better than 1-7. Just a thought (though I would really like Gruden in next year… he’s a great motivator)
4) Jake Delhomme is doing no better in Cleveland. He’s great in the locker room, but not much better on the field than what we have. 4 INTs and 1 TD so far for Delhomme this season, in only 2 starts. they have McCoy, anyway….
by scatterbrain on Nov 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
"Who is taking responsibility for the team’s failures now?"
I’d rather focus on what we can do to succeed than figure out how we failed (considering the way to succeed is to cut the reason why we’ve failed, i.e. Head Coach).
Once we cut Fox, we’ll figure out what else can be considered “failures”.
by scatterbrain on Nov 8, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's not what Jake Delhomme is doing now, it's what he did then that made us so successful.
He was a leader, unlike John Fox. That aspect he brought to the team makes me miss him.
It was like being plugged up to the Borg. Lol
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
But it's all alright!
Because JACOBY FUCKING FORD had his first 100+ yard game of his NFL Career! Woooooooooooo!
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I was wondering when you were going to post something about Ford
He had a very nice game and made a solid contribution to their win
I'm extremely happy.
I thought he would be buried on the depth chart along with all the other 4.2-4.3 receivers they drafted. But no, Jacoby Ford cannot be denied!
Now if Spiller can just get out of Buffalo somehow.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
He had a monster game.
Even though he went to Clemson, I was moderately impressed. :-)
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You would be correct, my friend. :-)
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My family gatherings were quite interesting
Uncle and cousin are Clemson alums and late grandfather & one in-law was USC alum. There is a similar situation for Duke and UNC.
See, it's the complete opposite in my family. I'm a Clemson Alum, while the rest of my family are in the "Do not care" column.
But if there are two guys I want to see succeed, it’s CJ Spiller with the Bills and Jacoby Ford with the Raiders. I thought for sure the Panthers would spend some late rounder on him since WR was such a situation of need.
I remember fondly the day when Jacoby Ford was picked by the Raiders. I didn’t even know it had happened. I logged onto here to see who we picked while at the same time tuning into the draft on my TV. James made sure to let me know, and I just about crapped myself.
It was the worst case scenario realized, an open-eyed nightmare.
I’m glad to see he can rise up and be a champion regardless. Haha.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Here is my point of optimism ... at least the Cowboys are taking all the heat!
I mean, look at the players they have… veterans with lots of talent, yet their best player on the field is a rookie (Dez).
So we have a shitty season going, with only one game to feel good about. Our offense is just “lost in space” really. There’s no player I would blame for this atrocious offense. I blame the coaches for not having a scheme to fit the players, and for really piss poor game planning. They must be playing poker while pretending to watch film.
So, we’re playing for next year, a new HC and staff, with a high pick in the draft. I still think, no I know, we have a core group of players that can win with the right schemes and motivation. The youth that is killing us now will start becoming a strength next year. We may be a .500 team next year, still a year away from being contenders. I’m just going to try to enjoy the good and forget the bad at this point, because I’m optimistic about coming years.
Extremely pessimistic: Smitty, we love ya man, but something’s gone wrong. I’m not blaming you because I know you’re not a young baller anymore, you have plates in your arm, and you’re pressing too hard to make plays. Just relax and catch the damn’d ball.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
Most of you were at one time Falcon fans...
We welcome you back with open arms. There are plenty red and black #2 Ryan jerseys for all. Falcon bandwagon is here for your pleasure…
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
Hmmm....let's see....what's the best way to put this?
Hell to the no? :-)
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Man I didn't know the Falcon's changed their mascot...
.. to the Vultures.
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Maybe............
When the season started???? LOL
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
NaGaNole, it’s not your fault… you may not realize that anything and everything Atlanta that was sports related was foisted upon SC as well. I didn’t watch the Falcons, Hawks, or the Braves… see, I look at them as the Cowboys. I can’t stand any of them and refuse to follow a team because they’re regional, or what everyone else follows.
I don’t like them and they’re forced upon me. I’ll stick with the Panthers. We’ve been down in a hole before, we’re there again, and we’ll get through it… without switching teams.
I’d be more swayed to buy a Matt Ryan jersey if he had convinced me he was a good QB.
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Dirty Birds?
I think not. Never have, never will.
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This. Is. Awesome.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I'm going to remain "optimistic"?
Think we can pull out a 9-7 miracle…………. if not I’ll treat everyone to ice cream.
I'm partial to rocky road
don’t skimp on the chocolate syrup, please, as comfort food will need to be in HUGE supply…
Not with our luck
he’ll pull a quad somewhere between the 8th and 9th touchdown, and smitty will be taking snaps with his one good arm…
hahaha
I’m sure he would volunteer to take snaps and run routes too…………….
Could Edwards turn into Vick?
I think given the time he would pose a major threat down the road…………….
Problem with Edwards is genetics (size)
He’s short and has a small frame. Buddy looks like a munchkin out there compared to the big guys. His height makes it hard to see over the line, so you have to take a college-like roll-out approach with him under center, limiting your passing to one side of the field on most passing plays. You could create some special zone blocking schemes to set up pass lanes from the pocket, but that requires not only a genius at OC but geniuses on the O-line.
The roll-out may limitation may be offset by his run threat but the whole package requires unconventional thinking and innovation on offense only seen a few times throughout history in the NFL. Also, since you are designing a scheme around one player, you have to pick up backups that fit it (AE has a very rare skillset) or risk a QB injury completely incapacitating your offense.
Lastly, everyone is worried that he’s too small to handle NFL hits. Vick is a giant compared to Armanti and Vick is injury prone due to his playstyle, Armanti might need a body bag from some lineman hits. He’s more suited to battle CBs and safeties.
In summary, Edwards at QB requires so much investment in one player and a scheme built around that player that it puts you in an extremely risky situation. It could be done, but it would take genius, luck, and perfect personnel.
I agree he's too small to play QB in the conventional sense...
But watching Vick last night it was pointed out that he takes extremely deep drops on most plays, then finds the space for the throwing lane or to take off. D-lines tend to spread the further they pursue. Just an observation from last night… not necessarily an endorsement.
Where there’s a will… I want to be in it.
I think it would be awesome to watch too
But as it is, not only do we not have the pieces to make it work but the peices we do have don’t fit together at all.
Man that reminds me, I was at the beach on a rainy day as a kid putting together my 2000 piece GI Joe puzzle and found out about 50 pieces were missing. I was PISSED.
This is a spatial concept that would be lost on our offensive coaching staff.
Their main objective is to bunch as many of our players in as tight an offensive formation as possible, so as to maximize the effectiveness of any type of pass rush, or run containment.
HA, HA, HA......
With our luck, he’ll tear both of his ACL’s and get hit by a hot air ballon running out of the god damn tunnel.
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I told my wife last night that I was waiting for one coach to get fired...
I think the owners were all playing chicken with each other, waiting on one to make the first firing.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Fox, Singletary, Gailey, and Childress all fired by Wednesday.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Re: Gailey
What a terrible, terrible hire. Did the Wilson family know it was just a one-year cheap stop gap? Makes you wonder.
"If you ask Jets' CB Darrelle Revis, there is no one who is harder to cover one-on-one than Steve Smith. That has to mean something coming from last year's runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year."
by ERL on Nov 8, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
All those teams should just trade coaches for the rest of this year.
Then see if any team has improved.
Kinda like duplicate bridge – everybody play identical hands, even if they’re devoid of points, and see who plays ’em better.
If none of them win any games the rest of the year, they’re all out of the game forever.
Ok since my comment was deleted, let's try this again.
I disagree with the wishbone comment, as it does not seem he’s trying to be sarcastic. Maybe it will work. We don’t know. We gotta do something though, as we are in a crisis now. We gotta work with what we got, and as fans we need to back this team up. We don’t have to agree with their descision making or play making, but if we stand as true fans should and support this team, I believe good things shall come. This is not our year right now, and Fox is indefinitely not coming back this year. So with that, let’s ride this thing out!
happy now?
Honestly, yes.
That’s much better than the previous rant that started the whole debacle.
I’m sorry for what I said to you. I overreacted, and I apologize.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
awwwwww
now if only we can get some wins, at least go 7-9 would be much much better than 1-15
I apologize also. I'm defitely not a troll, and didnt intend to...
Also didn’t intend for my “actual” twin brother to jump on and try to defend me
And we live in the same house via similar IP addresses. :) Just so you guys know
I’m not a computer geek! lol
No need to apologize.
Had you said to me what I said to you, I would have reacted the same way. It’s my fault, and it won’t happen again.
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GROUP HUG!
WHERE’S THE BEER!??!?!
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
you know what.......
that argument made me think when steve smith hit ken lucas in the eye
It takes all kinds of fans to build a fan base
I would think twice before characterizing those who ‘believe’ as ‘true fans’ and those who are dejected as anything other.
A true fan embodies emotion, one way or another. They don’t need to tow the party line to be real fans, they don’t need to buy into the veteran purge, John Fox’s coaching or our players effort to be ‘true fans’.
People don’t write articles, fanposts, thousands of comments if they aren’t ‘true fans’ and just because someone believes 9-7 is possible while someone thinks it’s going to be 1-15 doesn’t mean one is a ‘better’ fan than another; both are equally passionate about their team.
I respect that you think John Fox is giving it his all, you’re not the only one… shoot just this morning cyberjag and I were disagreeing on it. But, he’s not going to question anyone as a fan for feeling like John Fox has given up. The writers, the objective third parties are saying maybe Fox should be fired, Charles Godfrey is talking about the team giving up… this is the same situation in Dallas and Minnesota.
Part of my fury and frustration stems from backing up the team… the players. Here are moves that directly hurt the development of players that the coaching staff have done:
- Bench Moore for Clausen
- Bench Clausen for Moore
- Keep Armanti Edwards inactive
- Play Tony Pike
These panicked moves only serve to stunt the development of these players. Sure, it’s a nice curiosity to hear that Armanti Edwards is taking snaps under center this week to be the #3 QB… but this means it’s another week of him not working at being a WR, where he projects better anyway.
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I didn't take Godfrey's comment as saying he thought anybody on the team had quit.
And I don’t think it’s the same situation at all, as Dallas (underperforming veteran talent) or Minny (out of control HC, who’s lost control of his squad, and would be gone today, were it not for Favre yesterday.)
they've all had the shakes
waiting and sweating to see if anyone would snap…I can’t TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!
YOU"RE FIRED!!!
One of the more irritating things, in light of Wade being fired, is that NOBODY
is talking about Fox being fired. Not the media, not other fans. We’re such an irrelevant franchise.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The Cowboys shouldn't be 1-7
I mean, we shouldn’t either, but Dallas didn’t purge all the veterans and replace them with inexperienced players and/or rookies.
Dallas was a SB favorite in the eyes of the media. We were expected to be a last-place team.
I agree with your last statement though. Outside of the Carolinas and CSR, the Panthers are pretty much irrelevant.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
do we exist????
I don’t even know if they even care there’s no proof…….. Carolina isn’t on top up under or even around the radar right now.
The Radar sir! It's been jammed!
Raspberry….
There’s only one man who would dare give me the raspberry…
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Children, children, children...
It would be nice to see Jerry Richardson make John Fox go sit in a corner and wear a dunce cap since he won’t fire him. At least entertain us, for the love of Pete.
Sorry to hear about Matt Moore's torn labrum. That really sucks for y'all.
I’m not being sarcastic here. I really hate to see anyone go down and out for the rest of a season with an injury like that in competition. Let’s hope it can be repaired and it doesn’t kill the rest of his career in the NFL, huh?
Yeah
I’m hoping he has a decent to good career elsewhere. Just wasn’t meant to be here, I guess. He kinda got set up for failure overall, I think.
Thanks HeavyD!
Thanks for stopping by. You outlined my biggest worry here… I think Moore is done in Carolina. With his performance this year and now to finish the season on IR, I don’t see any way he gets resigned. I worry that this will reflect on the rest of his career. If he doesn’t get a shot elsewhere, I’ll really be disappointed. I believe Matt Moore is so much better a QB that he has been portrayed as this year, thanks to an offense crumbling around him and coaches trying to duct tape it back together. Assuming he recovers 100% from the injury (I’m not sure what it even is yet, to be honest), if a team takes a chance on him, I think they could be in for a good surprise. If he has a functioning offense, he can play. I hope no one in the NFC South picks him up, though.
The Carolina Panthers are the best team in the NFL, except on Sundays.
I didn't get to see the game
But I know Richard Marshall had the early 66 yard int return, did he play bad besides that or something?
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