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DeAngelo Williams opens up further regarding his contract status

One of the hot topics lately (and most all season) has been about the Panthers re-signing DeAngelo Williams. James has already posted an article based off a tweet from Darin Gantt that reads as follows:

"DeAngelo Williams said keeping RB coach Jim Skipper would be a factor in his offseason decision-making [...] Essentially, DeAngelo was lobbying for Skipper to stay. Was sending message that keeping the veteran assitant would be an enticement for him [...] DeAngelo loves Skip, trusts him. Whether the new coach would want to keep Skipper would be up to the new coach. [...] The other thing to remember that if Skipper doesn't stay, he's likely to go wherever Fox goes."

Some new information has been posted via the Asheboro Courier-Tribune which in ways affirms what Gantt has tweeted, but also sheds some new light on exactly where D-Lo's loyalties lie... more details, including the first time I will ever express my opinion on this matter, after the jump...

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The article from the Asheboro paper has some interesting quotes from DeAngelo himself. Some of the most important tid-bits are quoted:

Speaking to reporters Monday for the first time since being placed on season-ending injured reserve earlier this month, the impending free-agent indicated he’d like to re-sign with the Panthers regardless of who coaches the team in 2011.

John Fox, in the last year of his contract, is not expected to return.

"I can tell you this, I love being a Carolina Panther," Williams said. "I don’t want to go anywhere. It’s not my decision, though."

It seems DeAngelo would like to be back as long as the organization will have him. This is fairly in-line with the earlier tweets from Gantt. However, later in the article he elaborates further:

The 2006 first-round pick hopes he’ll get to continue to play for running backs coach Jim Skipper, although it’s possible no coaches on Fox’s staff will return.

"That’s the only running backs coach I’ve ever played for. He understands me and I understand him," Williams said. "They got all the pieces there. It’s whether or not they want to bring me back."

Williams insists that’s his first option, saying his affinity with owner Jerry Richardson outweighs uncertainty over the next coaching staff.

"It’s the organization that ultimately makes the team," Williams said. "Mr. Richardson will be back, right?"

This deviates from the statements presented to us by Gantt, who made it appear that if Skipper leaves, so does D-Lo. Here you can see that Williams has firmly stated his loyalty to the organization that drafted him and to the team owner, saying it takes precedence over the rehiring of RB coach Skipper.

It is clear however that he would like to have both, and it may be in the best interests of the front office to convince whatever new coach they bring in to retain the RB coach in charge of making Double Trouble into what they are today, and for developing young players like Mike Goodson, Tyrell Sutton, and Josh Vaughan into promising young backs. There may be a hometown discount involved if D-Lo is happy and gets to keep his coach and mentor.

My thoughts on the matter...

... are very simple, and I will pull from some of the additional wisdom that DeAngelo gives us in the article.

Is there room for everybody?

"It was this year. It was last year," Williams said. "I think it’s a proven fact that you need more than a couple tailbacks to get through seasons sometimes."

No understatement there. This year we have seen injuries to both halves of Double Trouble as well as to Sutton. That turned us to rely on Mike Goodson, as well as newly acquired Andre Brown and Josh Vaughan to carry the load in their absence. Luckily for us, Goodson has learned a lot in his second year in the league, and Vaughan was an under-rated UDFA coming from a I-AA school that didn't get much of a chance in the preseason. But we are not the most extreme case. Look at the situation in Washington, where Shanahan is essentially pulling guys off the street to start.

Double Trouble has proven effective in the past, and will again with a healthy offensive line and investment in youth at that position in this years draft. Since it appears we will be looking young for our next head coach, we may be able to get him to accept a deal that requires him to keep coach Skipper on staff as RB coach. I think this would be likely to get DeAngelo to give us somewhat of a hometown discount, and give us money in other areas that we will need to sign other players that are key to our success.

What we cannot afford to do is let our prized first round pick walk away and only be compensated a 3rd rounder in return. We can afford to look to the future with both Stewart and Goodson on the roster. We can re-evaluate a trade for any of those players over the next 2 years before their rookie contracts run out and while we still have D-Lo under his new contract.

The question of DeAngelo Williams staying or going has been polled to death. Instead... I will go in a different direction with this one.

Poll
Should RB coach Jim Skipper be retained in his current position coach role even with a new head coach in place?
Yes, he has proven himself as a good coach for our young backs, and should be part of a rebuilding effort.
405 votes
Yes, but only if the new coach wants to retain him without special arrangements.
170 votes
No, he should go along with the rest of the staff
31 votes

606 votes | Poll has closed

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If he goes it will be weird

It’s weird when all your favorite players are gone from your team. Guys like Jake, Hoover, Peppers were guys that I could really get behind. Peppers I no longer care for but Jake and Hoover I really liked.

Now, if D-Will is gone, there is really nobody on the team I like enough to buy a jersey.

by pieterzen on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Beason is a good player

but I’m not as high on him as I was on the other guys. Says more about how much I liked Jake and Hoover really.

by pieterzen on Dec 1, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

It won't be long before there's a new name in the headlines

Players come and go… That’s just the way it goes. Having a Muhsin Muhhamad for so many years is a rarity.

But an emerging star or solid player is right around the corner… Maybe Gettis, Goodson, Clausen in a few years? Sure would like to land a star QB somehow.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A future star isn't a current star.

Just pointing out that one minor fallacy. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

by aceofsween on Dec 1, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Same as it ever was...

Try these on for size:
Wesley Walls
Stephen Davis
Reggie White
Lamar Lathon
Kevin Greene
Mike Minter
Hell, I still have a Sam Mills jersey in a drawer. Wish I’d have gotten him to sign it while I still could. Greats come and go, brother. The bad times just give you perspective.

(That said… it’ll suck when Kasay finally hangs up the cleats.)

by Jeff_L on Dec 1, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I <3 DeAngelo

It’ll be a shame if he isn’t playing for us next year. And he obviously would prefer it that way too. Make it happen

by Smitty89 on Nov 30, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

On top of D-Will being dead on about having depth...

He’s the classiest athlete in the entire league, bar none. This whole breast cancer awareness craze? You’ll never see the credit for it go where it’s due, but that was basically Williams’s brainchild. He’s extremely involved in the Charlotte community, and from what I’ve read and seen I think he would much rather stick with and be a part of the teams growth (and future success), rather than be a fame chaser. No, I don’t think players are wrong to leave their home teams to pursue championships, but when it’s a case like this where both sides obviously want to stick together it would just be wrong to let him go while he’s actively lobbying to stay put.

Plus, I was just about to grab a D-lo jersey (my smith jersey is ragged, and I just feel wrong wearing my Delhomme jersey anymore)!

by Tomthehomer on Nov 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Well it does sound like there is some type of informal agreement between Williams and Richardson

I find it interesting that he still thinks its not up to him…as if the Panthers might not offer? Whatever…there will be an offer but we aren’t talking about Peppers here. Williams will probably be okay with being the top paid RB ‘by just a little bit’.

I’m finding this all very confusing

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by Jaxon on Nov 30, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think there's a very good chance we won't offer him another contract.

We’d be smart to franchise him and then trade him.

However much I like Williams, that’d be far too much money tied up in two people that play the same position – especially one that is so dependant on good O-line play.

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by OldhamA on Dec 1, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about the franchising to trade way of doing business

Remember what happened with Peppers. You franchise 1 & you never know if he will sign it in time to trade. Next thing you know youre at your cap limit and signing a qb for more than his value to clear up a couple mil in a year.

by MrBernz on Dec 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Williams would handle it with more class than Peppers did...

But I do see where your concern is coming from.

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by BW Smith on Dec 1, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Peppers made it clear he didn't want to stay here.

Didn’t he delay signing the Franchise Tag until the very last minute, thereby screwing our trade negotiations?

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by OldhamA on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Who knows his intent at that point...

…he obviously wanted out before the beginning of last season, but I actually think he found joy in the Meeks defense last season and changed his mind. I think if the FO had approached him with a decent deal, there was a good chance he would have stayed (but half the fans would have never accepted him again, given he wanted out before).

Should we have offered him Bears money? No…but who knows now…it’s said and done.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 3, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno why we wouldn't keep Skipper

Whereas our QB coach wrecks QBs, our RB coach has produced 4 excellent young RBs. I’d be scrambling to keep him on staff

by EyeSack on Nov 30, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

seems to me

The Skipper would be a hot commodity with his successes. How many teams desperately need to develop their runners?

by wee-vegas cat on Nov 30, 2010 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd like Richardson to take a step back and let the new HC assemble his own staff.

If he wants to keep Skipper, fantastic, but I’d allow him the freedom to go in another direction if he so wishes.

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by OldhamA on Dec 1, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post Tater. I hope that, if what he says is true, he takes a hometown discount to stay. We will find out the truth come FA day.

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by Ivan459 on Nov 30, 2010 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

"It's not my decision though" is the most important quote in all of this

We are not likely to hire another coach with Fox’s same offensive strategy. I just have a hard time seeing someone trying to retain both backs.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 5:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yep, it's going to be tough

The question certainly isn’t whether D-Lo deserves what he wants, but just whether a new coach has him in his plans.

It really depends on how spend-happy a new coach wants to get bringing in free agents, I think we can afford to re-sign the guys we need to re-sign right now (and that we want to re-sign) as long as a new coach keeps that aspect in check.

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by Tater596 on Nov 30, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever the coach may be...

…he’s (at best) 3rd on the depth chart in deciding financial issues. All he will be able to do is lobby the front office and hope they listen to his requests.

by Mr_Sticky on Nov 30, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You think Fox didn't play a major role in personnel decisions?

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by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not what I'm saying...

…but if Richardson or Hurney flatly said, “NO!” then Fox wouldn’t have an option and would have to let it go. However that isn’t a reciprocal relationship.

The finances are focused in the FO…yes, the coach gets some leeway in crafting his team, but he doesn’t sign the checks. So how “spend-happy” a new coach is (the statement to which I was responding) isn’t the question; the question is how spend-happy the FO will be at the urging of the coach.

by Mr_Sticky on Nov 30, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

...and I imagine almost ANY coach...

…would be willing to spend through the nose to get the players he wants. I doubt Fox said, “hey, lets shed bloated contracts and come in millions under the salary cap this year. I’ll still field a winning team, regardless.” ;-)

by Mr_Sticky on Nov 30, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure seems that ways now

Even though those of us who mentioned 4 months ago were labeled heretics by some.

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by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a GREAT idea

and we have a more talented team because of it. Not their fault Fox refuses to coach…

by Steve785 on Dec 3, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

…I think you’re casting dispersions in the wrong direction, Steve.

I’ve seen Foxy really animated on the sidelines over the last few games, working the refs, cheering the successes…and I saw him start to get really excited on the last second Kasay FG, only to see from his facial expressions and his body language how much it crushed him when it clanged off the upright. Those are not the actions of a man who refuses to coach. Perhaps his historically stoic nature causes you to infer that, but he’s been demonstrative lately as he’s trying to find a way to win.

Fox is a competitor…and competitors hate to lose. And make no mistake, Fox hates to lose…although maybe he doesn’t express it the way you think he should. He has been referred to time and again (this season, included) as a player’s coach. His own players STILL say they love playing for him. You don’t hear that from a team who thinks their coach has given up.

Do I see frustration on the team? Yes; just as in the fans; just as in Fox, himself. But I don’t see mutiny from his players. And I place more stock in them than I do the fans, regarding his passion and commitment to his job.

Don’t worry, we’re all pretty sure he’ll be gone at season’s end…but to suggest he refuses to coach? Don’t let YOUR frustration with circumstance cloud your view of Foxy’s integrity; the man is a class act even in the midst of a horrible season. Don’t turn to cheap shots and compromise your own sense of class because of a bad season.

Fox is suffering more than you are…I can almost assure you of this. This season and this team are a reflection of him, like a painting is a reflection of an artist. You and I? We’re just the guys in a museum, critiquing the final product without ever LIVING what created it.

Living it makes the difference…we’re just looking at the finished product and believing we know what the artist intended and felt. And THAT is arrogance, on both our parts.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 3, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because he puts on a show on the sideline doesn't mean dick

If he wanted to win then he could change the gameplan. “but Fox doesn’t call the plays” the fire Davidson. He approves of the plays and he decides the gameplan. Davidson calls the game the way Fox wants. Either way there is a solution to this problem. We haven’t seen either.

At the start of the season our OL was absolutely disgusting. Mack Bern was obviously out of place at RG. They have tape on him doing very well at LG. So common sense would be to move Wharton to RG and spread the talent out a bit. Or throw Gross at RT Wharton at LT Bern at LG and Schwartz at RG. Just saying… could have done something else… but no. He refused and they just kept it up untill they were 0-5. Just kept pounding the ball right behind that pathetic line that he put out there.

The switching around of the QB’s. I think this was by design. He knew Clausen was not ready. So he forced him to go out there and excecute a gameplan that does not work. As far as I’m concerned Fox hasn’t given Clausen a chance at all. They could easily change the gameplan. Look at STL, CLE, perfect examples of a coaching staff adjusting to a situation. They put their rookie QB’s in a position to excell.

If you do not see that then I can’t expain it to you. Through talking to people about football in my bar I have realized that there’s different understandings of the game. If this has not stood out to you then you don’t know about it. And you have your reasons that you have come up with for the teams performance. So I won’t be able to change your mind.

There’s more reasons, but I just talked myself out of explaining any further. I know I went over the gameplan thing twice. It really has me pissed off at Fox/Davidson.

by Steve785 on Dec 4, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Barber shops are also an excellent forum for knowledgeable football types to hang out, Steve.

If the conversation’s ever lagging at the bar, try over there. Usually full of former coordinators who really know their stuff. :-)

by bigdavis on Dec 4, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what I mean though

There’s 3 bars right next to each other ( you can walk around with an open container and hang out on the whole block because they are on the same block) it gets packed out here with fans on Sunday. It became obvious to me that people don’t know much about football. I’m not sure if I know too much or they don’t know enough. I get it though and I don’t bother with it. It is pointless to have the conversation because they have no idea how deep the game is, nor do they care…

by Steve785 on Dec 4, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So he intentionally sabotaged the team...

…and I’m too simple-minded to understand it. Got ya…thank you for setting me straight. Your should send in your resume to the Panthers since they’re going to have a few openings at the end of the year.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 5, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the FO would be more likely to say "no" to bringing IN a big contract

Not letting one go.

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by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree...

…perhaps I wasn’t very clear in what I was trying to say. I really doubt Fox was behind any of the veteran purge.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 1, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Doh... My reply to Oldham below was suppose to be for you

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by southtunnel on Dec 1, 2010 3:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There's something really strange about this

Because this decision greatly effects Fox’s future… He’s going from being a top prospect HC, to potentially the coach of the worst team in the league. Yet he hasn’t said a word about it. You’d think he’d want to defend himself for the sake of his future!

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by southtunnel on Dec 1, 2010 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Everybody in the league...

…knows what Fox brings to the table. I single season utilizing 20-25 yr olds almost exclusively (with the handicapping of traded 1st and 2nd round picks for a couple of years) won’t really compromise that, I think.

I still think he’ll be a hot commodity should we let his contract lapse; the man WILL get a head coaching job somewhere. He doesn’t have any personality issues that would turn off any front office…and he’s not as removed from coaching the actual game as Billick or Gruden is.

He doesn’t need to defend anything…until this year he had a great win-loss ratio for a small market team. Hell, he had a very good win-loss ration for a BIG market team. And he built it from the ground up; this isn’t a coach who reaped the rewards of having a team in place, waiting to succeed.

He’s not an offensive or defensive visionary…but he’s a VERY good coach, and will build success wherever he goes. He challenges his men to be MEN. He doesn’t over-emote, he doesn’t coddle prima donnas…the man is a throwback.

Can he take over a team that wants to play a 3-4 or go haywire in the passing game? I have no idea…but he’s solid; as a man, a coach, and a leader…he’s solid.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The best answer is usually the simplest.

Is Fox intentionally trying to sabotage his team, or is he just been plagued by circumstances? I personally think he’s not stupid, he’s not going to sabotage his own team, he does want another job after this. Who would hire a guy who sabotages his own team?

by Flowing Willow on Dec 4, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Panthers fan...just as you are.

However I respect John Fox (as does most of the league). He’s not particularly adaptive, he’s not a visionary…he’s just a solid coach. However I have no problem with the FO letting Fox walk and having a new HC take the team in a different direction.

I think there are 2 issues between us, Steve:

1.) I responded to you saying Fox had stopped coaching. I assumed you meant that he was done giving a shit and putting forth effort…and I thought this had been demonstratively disproved over the past few games.

But if you meant to imply that he is coaching poorly, then it’s an opinion issue instead of an attack on his integrity (the latter of which I will always find unwarranted and classless). You sort of vacillated between the 2 implications…giving some statements of poor coaching and other statements of Fox intentionally sabotaging the team, so hopefully you can see my confusion with your position.

In one fashion, I completely agree with you about him coaching questionably; he’s trying to fit a lot of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players to his system instead of adapting the system to the players’ natural tendencies. But that’s how he built the team that went 12-4 two years ago. It’s how he built the team he took to the Super Bowl.

Given a couple years with this group of players in this system and we’d probably be back to challenging for the NFC South or even the whole NFC. That’s why I’d ALSO be fine with retaining Fox (with a new OC). But that’s obviously built on conjecture…like every other opinion on this site.

2.) Assuming I can’t understand the depth of your football knowledge is particularly condescending and insulting…especially when you use the fact you hang out at sports bars as the basis for why you understand the game more than I do.

Frustration with how our team is performing this year is understandable, and I’m right there with you, Steve. But don’t let it cause dissension between us (when I wouldn’t mind a coaching change) when all I attempted to say is that Fox has too much integrity to just quit on his job.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 5, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not based on his recent comments

Richardson has tied everybodys hands. The new coach will be another lameduck coach. Hurney likes Clausen and he is going to stay. So the new coach will have to like him too.
D Will is the franchise RB and he will retire with us. J Stew may get traded since Goodson has proved that he is very much 2-dimensional. Every OC like a 2-dimensional RB.

by Indian Panther on Dec 1, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of assumptions, here

I won’t get into the “tying of hands,” because I don’t really know from whence it all came (although Richardson is as likely a candidate as any).

Clausen was COMPLETELY the BPA…and was towards the end of the 1st round, much less the 43rd pick (I think that’s right…don’t want to look it up). I don’t think it’s a requirement that the new coach embraces him any more than Moore…or any more than potentially Andrew Luck. It all depends on the vision of whoever is our HC next season and what he thinks he needs for his offense. But I think it would be in the Panther’s best interest to find multiple good picks instead of taking Luck (who I think CAN be spectacular), like he’s the panacea for our average DLine and secondary, our immature WR corps, or our underperforming OLine. Just an opinion…please don’t take it like I’m omniscient. ;-)

The (potential) new HC will also express his opinion of the RB situation. I LOVE D-Will and J-Stew together…LOVE ‘EM BOTH. But if we HAVE to be frugal while restructuring the team, Goodson has now made this acceptable for me…as long as we spend the money appropriately. Let me say this again: I LOVE DeAngelo and Jonathan, but I’m willing to let one go (Stewie, because he has as much trade value as D-Will. But I LOVE what D-Will brings to our team…beyond his stats, he’s a great team player, great mentor, great locker-room presence, great personality, and a great presence in the community), but it would have to be for trade considerations instead of just letting D-Will walk for a POTENTIAL 3rd rounder later. Stewie would get us at least a 2nd rounder.

But either would crush my soul.

by Mr_Sticky on Dec 4, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm willing to pay d-lo, mainly because he deserves it

after his 1500 yard, 20 TD season, he didn’t raise hell about his crappy rookie contract, he shut up and showed up again for the next season, unlike chris johnson who whined and cried about his contract. d-lo is a class-act, i hope he stays a panther through to the end.

by SouthernPanther on Nov 30, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I think we all hope he does, the question is if we can afford him. Seems he loves this organization and the city of Charlotte enough that he might be willing to accept a contract that doesn’t make him one of the highest earners. Not that he doesn’t deserve exactly that, but I just don’t think it is as important to him.

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by Tater596 on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+2

Affording him is the question. SP is spot on about D Will’s character: the guy is a class act, and I would love nothing more than for him to one day retire as a Panthers. But the economics need to be worked out so that we still have enough dough to go around to other guys, be it resigning current guys or getting FA and draft picks.

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by Ivan459 on Nov 30, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+3

I say sign him to whatever he wants. He’s not the kind of player to demand top dollar, but I hope that the Front Office doesn’t slight him to his face. If I were the new Head Coach I would want to keep the pro bowlers on my staff instead of letting them walk. Especially a CLASS ACT like DeAngelo.

We have enough money now to resign DeAngelo Williams… we’ll just give hime the money we’re giving Delhomme for not being here.

As Head Coach I would however want to bring in Andrew Luck to be the QB for my team. Hurney & Richardson could like Clausen until the cows come home, but the lights from that show has blown from excessive flashes. Andrew Luck fills the stadium seats as hope for the future, Jersey, and Panther sales which Richardson likes more.

by Caro2daheart on Dec 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

1 second...

I still like Clausen and would give him plenty of opportunity to earn his spot the rest of this year and half way through next year… that’s as far as I would be willing to go to see if he has earned it.

by Caro2daheart on Dec 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

After 5 more games this year, we'll know more about the advisability and need to draft Luck or not.

Clausen gets his chance to show how much he’s improved.

A TD pass in the EZ or two would be nice.

by bigdavis on Dec 1, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It should be.

He is going to need the money later. He should get a big contract. Wherever he needs to go to get it…

by Steve785 on Dec 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I too have been saying the same things as many on this post. I agree with SouthernPanther that he’s earned his due and that he is a class act, I agree with pieterzen that it would be a shame to watch another fan favorite walk.

I have made my opinion known on the other Williams post that IMO I feel that Williams is the #1 back in the entire NFL and if he leaves he will make us look foolish for letting him go. Can you imagine if the Saints or Falcons picked him up, the thought of it makes me sick.

by MindMachine on Nov 30, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

+4

Thank u SouthernPanther AND Tater596 for taking the words right out of my mouth! Like MindMachine, I’ve made my opinion know here regarding D.Will and re-sigining him. And when a great player , does his job…in a great way….doesn’t whine and is a true TEAM player, he deserves to be re-signed, given the opportunity to play for the team he has his loyalties to and retire with that team if he so desires. D.Will is a great player, still only 27, with plenty left in the tank, espeically in these Tandem backs situations, and would be nothing but an ASSET to the Panthers and the rebuilding. Hope to continue see ihim in Panther black, blue & silver!

by Vinnie 16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

+3

He’s my favorite Panther…was last year as well.

by Mr_Sticky on Nov 30, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

On Skipper....

I couldn’t agree more that he’s been a shining beacon in a a dark cloud of offensive coaches the past couple years and has ultimately earned his job as well. I’d be all for him as the new head coach if it weren’t for my opinion that we really need to get our passing game going. If he can bring in coordinators and offensive coaches to fix the passing game I say go for it.

I mean every back we’ve brought in has performed excellently under him. Could you imagine if we had QB and WR coaches of his caliber?

That said, I voted for the option of the new coach. It’s going to be tough to hire a new coach with stipulations given our past few season. Maybe I’m wrong as I honestly know absolutely nothing about the hiring process of an NFL coach.

However, to me, we are a great prospect for a new head coach. We have a young, talented team, a high 1st round draft pick (if not the first) and given the status of our team a team that a new coach could take a lot of pride in raising from the ashes of a terrible season.

by MindMachine on Nov 30, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Anybody think Smitty is on his way out?

He has a strong history with Fox. But he might look like a headache whose past his prime to a new HC.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Poor Smitty Dump Gamble

Panthers owe Smitty alot, do I think he is going anywhere umm no; Do I think C. Gamble could be on the bubble. YES, if you want more money freed up to sign long term deals with Kalil, Beason, Williams, and more then release Gamble. I used to think Marshall was bad but he has out played Chris for past season +. Gamble signed a huge deal and basically just sitting on it, he doesn’t tackle, and must think he is prime time or something just going up for the picks but difference in Prime Time and Gamble is that Prime Time 9/10 times came down with the INT.

Plus should Clausen win a game or two down the stretch then the Cats could trade back to the 3 or 4th pick and grab Peterson CB LSU or Prince A Nebraska to replace Gamble and his what $53 million dollar contract which is crazy for what he brings to the table. Remember Gamble contracts jumps up next season to 6.25 million in a cap hit (depending on what CBA rules come out).

Skipper is a great RB coach, has been here for a while and needs to be retained with Meeks, J. Rodgers. Coaches to dump, J. Davidson, R. Scherer, J. Fox, J. Magzu, T. Tolbert ! ! ! – Basically everyone else on the Offensive side of the Ball except Skipper, LOL.

So Want to keep D-Will dump Gamble not Smitty !

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 30, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshall has been exposed this year

The reason his stats are better than Gamble is because opposing QBs have been picking on him. Gamble has played great games against the best WRs in the country previously, Marshall cannot say the same. He has been exposed this year behind a below average pass rush.

Of all the RFA tenders expiring at the end of the season, I would say it’s a lock that Marshall is allowed to leave. Moore only has a shot to come back if he takes a miniscule contract.

Ideally, to me we keep Gamble, we move the Captain up to a starting job temporarily, and we draft a DB highly and groom him in the nickel spot.

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Nov 30, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Tater

I am a Gamble fan and still can’t figure out why he was benched over Marshall.

Although I have to give HPF credit on the tackling, Gamble has certainly botched a few tackles this year but his coverage skills put him in the position on needing to make a tackle far less than Marshall.

It’s kind sad too, because I was a big Marshall fan back when he was the nickel back and Lucas was starting.

by MindMachine on Nov 30, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to disagree there

Marshall has played like garbage this season.

by Smitty89 on Nov 30, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible...

But something tells me a new coach will look at Smitty and say he still has plenty left in the tank. He’ll call him an unfortunate victim of circumstance this year, and get him some help.

Alternatively, the FO may just say “no” if the question of releasing him is even raised.

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Nov 30, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose it also depends on how they build

Bringing in some vets, especially a vet QB, and trying to build a win-now team makes more sense to keep Smitty. However continuing this future centric youth movement makes him more expendable.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 30, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

They can keep Smith and still go with their youth movement

while Gettis and Lafell learn the nfl. Smith can stay and play then he can maybe be a receiver coah later on if Gettis and Lafell get better than he is. I do not think they will go for a free agent receiver when they have such good prospects in training now. Take the receivers we have now, get Luck in the draft, and go for a couple of offensive linemen in free agency and they have the offense rebuilt. The defense can use a couple of players maybe just for depth, they have played great all year even with being on the field twice as long as they should have been. I imagine with their regular breaks while the offense has some scoring drives the defense gets better.

by MrBernz on Dec 1, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything above, but I don't see Smitty ever coaching

To much of a lone wolf mentality. Not that he doesn’t have something to contribute when it comes to knowledge of the position, but he really hasn’t taken any young receivers under his wing this year. I don’t really see that changing.

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Dec 1, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, but Smitty takes 1st team reps away from a younger player

Often coaches like for young QBs to learn beside their receiving counterparts. Smitty prevents this, unless they plan for him to retire here and eventually become a #2 or #3… Which would be cool. But I’m not sure he’d even want do that.

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by southtunnel on Dec 1, 2010 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

On the other hand...

I’d love to see what a future “Sean Payton” could do with a weapon like Smitty :)

And I’m convinced JR will go offensive minded this time.

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by southtunnel on Dec 1, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

The new coach will make the call on this one, but if I were a new coach, I’d like to know there it at least one proven weapon on my team, even if he isn’t 100% what he used to be.

Smitty has talked about taking a secondary role, and I think he would be brilliant in the slot if we can establish threats on the outside other than him.

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Dec 1, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I really do see Smitty as going almost the same route as Moose. Moose was freaking old (for a receiver) when he retired. Wasn’t he 37? By the end, he wasn’t as fast as he used to be, his hands weren’t quite as reliable as they used to be, but he was still a good #2 WR.

Yeah, Smitty loves to be targetted and to get the ball in his hands, but he’s also excited to see the newbies do well. I’ve noticed him excited and hugging Gettis and LaFell when they’ve done well.

Plus, doesn’t JR love Smitty?

Unless Smitty just really wants to leave Carolina and there’s no way to work out any kind of contract or franchise tag deal, I think any HC would be overruled if he didn’t want Smitty.

by jamiedk on Dec 1, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he wants to be on a pass happy team for a change

He’s always had something to prove and he can’t very well do that here. And especially now with the future being uncertain.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 1, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And I want to have Megan Fox as a girlfriend.

But this other girl I know will do just fine. :)

A bit of hyperbole there, but I think the basic point remains. We all have fantasies, but sometimes that’s all they are. I’m sure Smith would love to be on passing team, but so would every receiver in the league. He’s found his niche here in Carolina, assuming we’re competitive, and I don’t think he wants to leave.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 2, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think D Will has hit his peak

He’s had two great seasons before this one. He should’ve been starting earlier but that was Fox’s loyalty to a fault for Foster. I just feel we’ve seen the best he has to offer. Stewart would be a beast if he entered the season in game shape & Goodson & Sutton are good enough imo to keep as backups.

"It's a bad day to have a bad day" - Coach John Fox of the Carolina Panthers

by D.W.G. on Dec 1, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I love dwill but........

He might be gone sad to say….i say this because we let Moose go right after 2004 when he put up carrier #s. but we don’t dump Delhomme after the Arizona game!!! what were they thinking…. i agree to siging him again but not for that money!!! ENOUGH SAID

by CaptainPanther on Dec 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

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