How much would you pay for Julius Peppers?
by James The Aussie on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST
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I'm sure Julius Peppers will be a hot topic for the 2010 offseason, but this is an opportunity for us now, as a community to discuss his worth to the Carolina Panthers.
Obviously Peppers' production has been solid, clearly the team would like to retain him, but what kind of deal it will take to get a signature on a contract remains to be seen. Negotiations will be complicated and exacerbated by Peppers' agent, a childhood friend who has never formally negotiated an NFL contract; someone who was believed by some pundits to be the source of some of the offseason drama.
Let's keep the conversation civil, and on point. How much do you think Julius Peppers is worth to the Carolina Panthers?
I have a couple of ground rules for the discussion:
1. That everyone have number they like. I'll use a poll as a basic guideline, but 'whatever it takes' isn't really a good answer in a league where salary cap numbers can, and will become an issue (even beyond 2010).
2. If you think Peppers should go, don't simply say 'let him walk'. Have a free agent in mind, or potential draft pick who could fill his void.
3. If your solution involves trading Peppers, what do you think we should, and could get in return?
4. Have fun everyone! Offseason banter like this is what will keep us going throught the Spring. Don't forget to rec the post if the conversation is good. If it turns for the worst comments will be turned off.
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I'll kick it off with my personal belief.
Just under the ‘top tier’ price. I would sign Pep to a 6 year, $58 million deal with high incentive escalators for team success, stat totals and pro-bowl appearances.
Provided he hits escalators this could push him just over Freeney and Will Smith’s numbers.
I think Peppers needs some fire and motivation (see the Beason speech) and a contract like this gives it to him, dares him to be the beast he can be.
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by James The Aussie on Jan 4, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I was about to say
Obviously (6 of 6 did so far) I voted top-tier. But the value of your idea is in the escalators.
I’ve posted a few times this week that I think the situation’s much different with Julius now, than it was a year ago. Then I believe he spoke as he did, abut the system, and his potential, etc. due to influence from his agent, who made him think he could call the shots. He couldn’t and now he views that agent as causing all the discord in the fanbase — and besides, the gambit failed. Add to that the apparent joy he now shows during games, the enthusiasm he displays in his effort and for his teammates when they make a play (even the offense, where he barely took notice before), and It looks like he loves Meeks’ new system, and his place in it.
So I think he’s amenable to such a proposal from the Panthers, who come to him with the idea that the Panthers want him, and with him they can go all the way. Any player wants the ring, more than they want the money. If he thinks now that he can get it as a Panther, he’ll sign long term (4, 5, 6 years) and earn the escalators. I make the unknowledgeable assumption that such escalators don’t count against the cap.
by bigdavis on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted 'top DE' in trying to be realistic
I don’t think we’ll get a home team discount. Clarify: I think its what the Panthers should offer if they are serious. If they give him a deal slightly better than the Jared Allen deal I bet he feels valued and signs it. Maybe make more of it guaranteed money…
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by Jaxon on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I said top DE as well, he certainly out-performed Jared Allen when we played the Vikings and Peppers had the tougher match-up. Peppers was up against a Pro-bowl LT, while Allen was up against Wharton, normally our guard (I know he did play LT for a while before that) but still.
by SouthernPanther on Feb 4, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I put him in the top-tier price range
He’s not worth Haynesworth money, IMO (hell, for that matter, Haynesworth isn’t even worth Haynesworth money).
What we have is an enigma: a guy who can be the most dominant player on the field but can also play like a guy that should be bagging groceries. I can’t put him in the “Jared Allen category” for that reason alone: we never know who we’re getting from week to week.
I say give him a 5-year deal worth $45M with incentives. (Incentives for pro-bowl appearances, sacks, etc.)
One thing we absolutely cannot do is franchise him. We cannot give $20-ish (can’t remember the exact figure) million dollars to one player. We lost depth and ST help by paying him $16M this season — it would only be worse next year.
by bwsmith25 on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let us see..
I’d go top tier. Call me boring but 6 years @ $60 million with incentives similar to what James mentioned (see: pushing him above Freeney & Smith) seems more than fair. Considering he seems to be enjoying himself, roughly 600k per game would be more than enough of a base line to play well, in my opinion.
I agree he needs the fire & motivation you mentioned above, James. I’m not a master contractican (I’m a master at inventing new words, though) but I’d throw a few record breaking incentives in there as well that weren’t expected to be fulfilled. If he does, well, the beast will have arrived full force.
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by D-Ranged1 on Jan 4, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he get more than jared allen
He proved he was better than him when they were on the same field. I think he definately wants that moeny at least. Like dude said haynesworth isn’t worth that money that he’s being paid. But if pep wants a 7 year 15 mill a year then I say we give it to him. If he would take my deal id give him 6 years 75 mill plus incentives out the ass.
If he wants to walk and there is no cap then tag him and trade him because a team with deep pockets will pay it since there’s no cap penalty and we get compensation in draft picks or whatever can help our team.
by bannedfromsbnation on Jan 4, 2010 6:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
A player proving he’s better because he has a single better game. So I guess Dwayne Jarrett is better than Marques Colston.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
top tier 5 years $45 million high incentives
guaranteed money is for consistency so the incentives should motivate him
why does everyone give 6 year contracts… are 6 year contracts the only kind of contracts that the Panthers would consider offering Peppers?
by vitzeng on Jan 4, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd want Peppers locked until he was 35..
After that, we’ll renegotiate again.
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by D-Ranged1 on Jan 4, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
negotiate, that is.
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by D-Ranged1 on Jan 4, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a high level DE
Even when not 100%. I’d say sign him in that range, 5 years, 40 mil, with a TON of escalators which, if he hits them all, could push his contract to the 60 mil range. I think he likes the scheme, and, as I have predicted all along, he will re-sign long term. The only question is for how much.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2010 2:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love for Pep to sign for top tier money.
Man I wish Peppers wanted to play in Charlotte, but I understand wanting to move on. I just hope that this time he makes the business decision to sign a contract with us so we are not trading a contract headache to go along with one of the best DE’s in the history of the game. Watching the Saints game, I asked my wife if I should go with my Pep jersey, or my Stewart Jersey (she was wearing Williams, though usually Beason. Rawwr.) We both agreed to look forward to the future rather than the past.
Good bye Pep. May you find the life you desire, and become the player you were born to be.
If God came down on Christmas Day
I know exactly what He'd say
He'd say "Oi!" to the punks
and "Oi!" to the skins
but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
by Oi2dwrld on Jan 5, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
5 years, $55m dollars.
Pep deserves a good chunk of that money guaranteed, but to help give the Panthers insurance against his inconsistency… as many have said… there should be plenty of incentives.
$40m guaranteed, $15m in incentives, 5 years. Gives him $8m guaranteed and a potential $3m per year in incentives.
by Tater596 on Jan 5, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
can someone explain to me why it is felt that we can actually trade peppers? i dont see us franchising him (because it would be ridiculous and) because of the risk of him not signing the tender to avoid a trade and forcing us to pay him. remember haynesworth walked from the titans. it just seems like everyone is being unrealistic in a wishful thinking fantasy world like we’re managing a madden franchise..
by ieatcrayons on Jan 6, 2010 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If a player doesn’t sign a franchise tender, they don’t get paid. It’s a simple as that.
If a player is franchised their only options are:
a) Sign the deal and play for 1 year
b) Get permission to seek a trade
c) Sit out the entire season
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by James The Aussie on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to add...
If he hasn’t signed the tag, the player (agent) seeks the trade. If he signs the tag, the team can seek the trade.
by Scrantsj on Jan 6, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i obviously didnt mean not singing at all i mean what he did this year in not signing till the last minute
by ieatcrayons on Jan 11, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if it takes this much
id give him a 4 year 260 million dollar deal. no cap next year so its feasible and he would be CRAZY not to take this
Fuck trees I climb buoys motherfucker!!!!
by adamlawson3 on Jan 7, 2010 7:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
dude
Are you joking? Do you mind me asking how old you are? Don’t answer if you don’t want to.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 7, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mental and physical development aren’t always concurrent ;)
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by D-Ranged1 on Jan 8, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No more Peppers
Yes I think Peppers is a great DE but I would cost too much to get him to stay. If we trade him we could get a top five 2nd round draft pick for him, that we could use to get Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow or Jared Odrick(DT from Penn State). Then still sign a good free agent DE like Aaron Kampman and we could sign him for a 6yr $35M deal.
by COpanthersfan on Jan 13, 2010 2:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of signing Aaron Kampman. Having vets like him and Brayton plus young guys in Johnson and Brown is a good rotation, imo.
I would like Pep to come back, but as Jaxon said above, realistically Pep would demand a 5-6 year deal at about 12+ mill per. So doing the math that’s 5yr $60+ mill or 6yr $72+ mill.
NFL players, except for the young and ignorant Ricky Williams, will not sign less of a deal with heavy incentives. NFL player’s already have close to zero job security.
I would like the team to Franchise him and try to trade him, because it would be JR’s money and not mine (with no salary cap). I would want a 2nd and 3rd round pick or a 2nd and future 2nd. I seriously doubt any team would give up a 1st round pick PLUS pay him top $. Maybe San Fran and Singletary since they have two 1st’s, but as said, I doubt it.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Feb 1, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bit late but that's just me...
I think we should give him a decent offer, then if he doesn’t take it, shake his hand then let him walk… I thought it was a huge mistake then to tie up all that money on such a hit and miss (so to speak) player, and look what happened… We were completely hobbled by the $20-mil… No one player is worth that much…Not even Payton bleedin’ Manning… :-D …But anyways… He’s part of the defence, he doesn’t win it all on his own… He stays or he goes… All I care about is how well the defence can do it’s job next year so we can get to the Superbowl… :-D …
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by Rabinsbeard on Jan 31, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Selfish and NOT worth Jared Allen money
Peppers quit being worth Allen money when he started taking plays off and getting outran by Donovan McNabb. No doubt one of the best when he decides to actually play. But my theory is watch guys like Allen, they love the game, always bust their glass, and make the offensive line nervous. Peppers has gotten to where he does not gather double teams. That says alot. The money he is seeking is because he is a legend in his own mind. Tonight on a local television show Buckner, a former teammate, stated he takes plays off and was not worth the money. This was from someone who dug trenches with him!
by GeneN on Feb 1, 2010 1:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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