Carolina Panthers defeat New Orleans Saints 23-10; finish season 8-8
by James Dator on Jan 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST
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PrintCharlotte, NC: It wasn't a pretty game at Bank of America stadium, but it was another win for the Carolina Panthers, their third in a row and giving them the ability to end their 2009 campaign at 8-8.
While it was known the New Orleans Saints would rest many of their starters it became abundantly clear than the Carolina Panthers had decided to put this game into cruise control also. The Panthers dealt with myriad injuries at key positions while also resting Jonathan Stewart for the majority of the second half in order to prevent any aggravation of the achilles injury he dealt with for much of the week.
Regardless of the importance of today's game the Panthers' defense again proved to be a standout and the cornerstone of what the 2010 season should be built around. Meanwhile, QB Matt Moore put in a solid performance without Steve Smith to finish the game 14/23, 162 yds, 1 TD, 96.6 rating.
Carolina wasted no time in asserting their toughness with Jonathan Stewart running for a gritty 67 yard touchdown on the second play of the day giving the Panthers a 7-0 lead.
Both teams failed to move the ball for the majority of the first half as teams traded short drives and punts as the average drive length lasted just over a minute for almost the entire second quarter. With New Orleans managing just a single field goal. The Carolina Panthers broke the touchdown drought, however, as Matt Moore and unlikely target Dwayne Jarrett put together a solid drive in the last minutes of the first half culminating with Moore connecting with Jarrett on a 30 yard TD pass to make the score 14-3.
On the ensuing kickoff New Orleans KR Courtney Roby fumbled the kickoff with just 5 seconds remaining on the clock to allow John Kasay a last second field goal sending the game to the half 17-3.
Jonathan Stewart rushed just two times in the 3rd quarter and this would be the last time Panthers' fans would see him in 2009. John Fox and the Carolina coaching staff turned the run game over to rookie Mike Goodson in a clear effort to evaluate his potential for the 2010 season. The Panthers were able to get two more John Kasay field goals making the score 23-3.
A highly questionable Unnecessary Roughness' penalty on Captain Munnerlyn gave the Saints excellent field position in the third quarter ultimately allowing their only touchdown of the day, a 1 yard run by reserve RB Lynell Hamilton. The score was 23-10 at this time.
The high point of a wholly anemic 4th quarter was a late Julius Peppers interception of Mark Brunell. The Panthers locked down the majority of the 4th quarter throwing the ball only once and relying on Brad Hoover to fill in at running back to grind out the remainder of the game.
The 13-3 New Orleans Saints are taking a three game losing streak into their off week before the playoffs truly begin a week from next.
Meanwhile, the Carolina Panthers now hit the off-season at a respectable, but unremarkable 8-8. This proves to be a fascinating off-season for the Carolina Panthers with question marks looming not only over head coach John Fox, but also long standing Panthers Julius Peppers and Muhsin Muhammad who will have to receive new contracts, or be franchised for the 2010 season.
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I was rather disappointed with the results of our wide receivers.. It’s really sad to see Kenny Moore & Charly Martin combine for… nothing.
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you werent a little impressed with
dwayne jarrett?
by carolinabrave89 on Jan 3, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not really..
As most stated.. Too little too late.
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come on
I was quite impressed with jarret… that 1 handed grab yes siiirrrrr…but the guy had the ball thrown to him and made the most of it and that’s all you can ask for on this day.
What have you done for me lately?
by Steve785 on Jan 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.. that's true..
But do we want 1 good play every three years? I hope as much as anyone he will break out but the season is over.
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He apparently flashes those skills all the time in practice.
But at some point, you have to be held accountable if you can only bring it to Sunday once or twice a year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
plus have a QB that can throw to you
still, the time it took for him to learn the playbook and actually get on the field was rediculous over the past 3 seasons… still for today, he looked decent.
You can only catch balls that are thrown to you
And he’s shown that he can catch when thrown to him. But still he might never be able to get past being a slow learner, and not being able to get open.
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Delhomme's thrown right at him plenty of times.
58 targets through last week. It’s not the QB’s fault he can’t go get the ball like the other receivers have shown the ability to do.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right, because that's what Jake's receivers have to do
Go get the ball.
What we discussed earlier this season, was discussed today on WBT… How last year Jake was also often under throwing receivers, but Smitty was able to adjust and go get it. Since ARZ teams have been keeping a DB underneath, for the sole purpose of adjusting on Jake’s under thrown balls… Leading to an accumulation of INTs. It’s time to move on Procton.
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I'm not moving on from a QB who's won the job six years running.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you see 58?
This says 24 balls targeted to him this year, before tonight.
I’d be interested to see your source for that 58.
In his career.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Show me where you got that number, please
If you’re saying 34 passes thrown Jarrett’s way before this year, I doubt it. Don’t be making stuff up.
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13 in 2007, 19 in 2008, 31 in 2009
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I'll have to bookmark that site
Not being a Fantasy player, I didn’t know it existed.
They differ slightly from ProFootballFocus in their targeted passes this year; PFF shows 17/29, for 196.
However, I’d mention that your figures add to 53, not 58.
Knowing Fox's love for practice performance
I’m surprised he wasn’t on the field earlier.
Moore and Martin had their moments, Moore dropped a nice pass by Moore into double coverage, although to be fair he was crunched on the play. Martin was also open a few times, Moore just didn’t look his way. We definitely keep Martin, even if just for ST. Our ST have gotten MUCH better with the additions of Martin, Culberson, and Senn. Not to mention vets in Wesley and Connor, we have a nice core.
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by chinchillas sword on Jan 4, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, that comment was me
Sharing a computer is a pain sometimes. :)
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Good observation about Senn.
He’s down there a lot. And Anderson and Diggs are also down on coverage now, too — with the 5 you mentioned, plus Teal and Barnidge, they’ve been around the ball a lot quicker than earlier games.
Yes I thought Jarrett stepped up today...
what year is he in?… Sometimes it takes young WRs a few years to get acclimated to the NFL game.
His third.
And they’re supposed to have the light come on in the third.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Is he under contract for a fourth?
I’d assume next year would be his final contract wise. If so, he best come up with something quick. lol
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I believe he'll be on his 4th year.
That’s the last year on his contract though. Good luck!
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Yes.
And at a very reasonable $550K. He’ll be back in camp, if only because they won’t find six or seven better players at the position to bring to TC any cheaper.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
If he can carry over today's performance
I’m all for keeping him on the roster.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
That's always been the rub.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
i think he can do it.
he’s tall has good hands and showed some great awareness yesterday. He didn’t look so slow that he’s useless yesterday either…
by bannedfromsbnation on Jan 4, 2010 6:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But, still, at some point you have to consider that that's one game in three seasons.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
i think it was his first chance
Delhomme couldn’t get him the ball. Or Jarret likes Moore better and decided to catch for him…whatever the case Moore to Jarret was working and the kid showed some promising ability…getting out of bounds, the one handed grab, stretching out for the td.
by bannedfromsbnation on Jan 4, 2010 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what was the problem the last month before this game when Delhomme was out?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
The problem is this --
Moore targeted him 5 times yesterday, and he caught all 5 — all 5 were catchable, good throws (the one he made a special effort to bring in one-handed)
Jake, on the other hand, never targeted him 5 times in a game.
I believe I’m citing you correctly in saying a WR usually doesn’t come into his own ‘til his 3rd year — just so happens that Jarrett did it in the last game of that 3rd year — maybe it was delayed because he wasn’t sought out by Jake earlier, since he was locked onto Smith so often.
It's easier to "seek out" a player when he's your second receiver, not your fourth.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Jarrett is better than most believe
I have watched Jarrett catch most balls thrown his way. Remember 2008 when he made a game changing 3rd down catch and got nailed and held onto the ball. The only thing is…how many targets did Jarrett get? Not many at all…How many starts did he get? Not many. Face it, he had a very poor quarterback throwing him the ball since he has been here. Finally he now gets to take the field with a guy, Matt Moore, who he actually has practice reps with and wow…he looks like a star. Jarrett is not that fast but he really had to pick up his speed on his td catch when Moore led him with the ball and he did it.
Amazing what happens when a decent qb steps up and tosses the ball where it is supposed to be. The floater he caught with one hand on the sideline was a designed play and he made the play and Moore made the throw. It is amazing what happens when your qb can fundamental throws. Moore can throw a pass to a receiver on the crossing route, a post route, the fly, the comeback etc….Jake cannot throw these. He only throws the jump ball to Steve Smith…(and by the way…Smith has had about enough of those suicide throws)
Understand this, Jake jump balls to Smitty has been the Panthers passing game since 2003. Other than that Moose and Colbert had touches when Smith went down but no-one else really had any stats. So, the Panthers probably already have a number 3 wideout in Jarrett and a number 4 in Moose.
There is the need for a number 2 wideout here….Who is out there? There happens to be baby T.O. from Denver, who happens to be hated by his coach and in turn has let everyone know he hates the team. There is a tight end who will be available in Sheffler….Think about this…Cutler, Marshall, Sheffler and others have been summarily run off by the Broncos childish coach…You ever considered it may not be the players fault but it may be the coaches fault.
Let’s take it a step further. Before Peppers comes out and says he is thankful to Carolina but he wants to expand his game…etc…Well, we know he loves the Denver area… He has a little place to stay there and he has trained there and hangs out there. Hmmm. Peppers for Marshall and Sheffler and then bring in Vick as a player to compete with Moore for the starter’s role would get this team to the big game.
That covers your pressing needs and then use the balance of the draft picks to get a guy like Seymour.
Ah, how nice it would be! But oh yeah…the Panthers only want “character” guys. What a load of BS that is. Seriously, this is the same team who has such greats as the mass murderer….Ray Carruthe…mr. eyesocket breaker hinself, the once alive Fred Lane (though he was technically a jag), Jeremy champaign Bridges, Carl “beat up my wife” Hankton, then there are the younger cats, on the roster now like the DWI guy and the man who was just called out for a__ whipping (in civil court that is)….
Carolina needs to forget all of that jazz about the great team being a paragon of virtue and be more holy than thou…because it is BS ! Hey Hurney, go sign a few playmakers, if you can find them….(the only one I would question would be Marshall but if he allayed the fears I have I would say get him) The Panthers never will go get winners (notice Feely and not the 2008 pro-bowler Garcia…who could have won games here this season!). Hell, Fox may go out and lose 5 or 6 straight by playing jake just to try and prove his 12 million deal was not the most insane waste of an owner’s cash, to ever happen.
I would not be saddened one bit if Fox decided to leave if the big cat does not extend his contract now. And by the way…Fox, take that sorry offensive play caller with you. Ron Meeks, you can stay, the guys like you and they have finally learned the Tampa 2!
Wow..
I must say, I was right there with you for the first 4 paragraphs…
Then you went off the deep end really quick. Interesting opinion but, personally, I’d never give up Peppers for a Marshall and Sheffler when a) we can get a receiver in the draft and b) we already have three talented tight ends, rather we need a blocker, receiver, or a guy in the middle that does both well enough and will continue to develop.
I’d also never have Vick in a Carolina uniform. I personally don’t give a crap what he has done outside of football but, on the field, he just doesn’t have it anymore. I’d rather continue to start Delhomme. There’s nothing talented about Vick any longer, despite how great he used to be (and I mean that, I really liked watching the guy play). I’d rather get Campbell if we’re looking for a mobile guy, at least he can still complete a pass every so often.
Vick has only dropped back 15 times this year, completing 46% of his attempted passes and averaging 6.6yds per attempt. That itself is actually skewed as he completed 4 of 10 for 8.1yds per attempt with no pressure, yet combined for 3 of 8 when pressured or blitzed for 1.3yds per attempt. Considering pressure & blitzing (and being unable to stop it) was what gave us the most problems with Delhomme, I don’t think a guy that’s severely inaccurate under pressure is a good choice. The highest completion percentage of Vick’s career is 56%. Delhomme has completed 55% this year. Previously, Delhomme’s low was 58%. The most touchdowns Vick has ever accounted for in a season (passing & rushing) is 25. That same season he accounted for 14 turnovers (interceptions or fumbles lost). The most touchdowns Delhomme has ever accounted for is 30, with 20 turn overs in the same season. That’s roughly equivalent in the “what have you done for me?” market. I hate to say it but, by now, Vick is a quicker, less accurate Delhomme.
You make a good point with the guys you listed but how many were on the team at the time of the incident vs picked up after the fact? As I said, I don’t care what they do in their own time but when it disrupts the locker room, they’ve got to straighten up or get out.
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All I am saying is there are a thousand options out there and the Panthers will generally make the worse decision they can make. Will Hurney/Whoever go get a very good number 2 receiver? No, you cannot draft those guys in the second round.
Look at their recent history….Seriously last season when the pressing need was to fill Ma’ake’s slot what did they do? NOTHING! There were always guys like Louis Leonard Tank Tyler, Hollis Thomas etc…They should have all be scouted and on the radar early in the summer. One of them should probably have been in camp or as soon as they could have traded for as soon as Kemo went down (hell, they need one of them as a backup)….
The big fear was there was no defensive line depth…These are the same guys who ran out and got Hypolite when the s___ has hit the fan button was pressed!
I mean Kenny Moore…c’mon. Great kid but give him 3 years then he can be a true number 4. This team needed a bona fide number 2 and that will be their pressing need this pre-season once the Peppers song and dance are put to bed.
As far as tight end goes. If Rosario is used more like a top shelf guy then he may be the guy that helps this team. But so far he has not. King is a super guy but he is more of a 250 tackle and just an occasional receiver that has to be accounted for …he is no Tony Gonzo , Todd Heap, Greg Olsen or Heath Miller and really you need one of those types of guys to employ the kind of offense Fox likes to run and be a top team.
As far as Vick goes…Do you really want Jake as a backup over Vick? You talk about a change of pace. As far as percentages goes. Remember, when your qb who tosses for the 56% mark happens to rush for 1,000 yards you can toss that 56% and still win…As far as I know Jake never had a 1000 yard season.
My point was, again…There are options out there. I just have a feeling Pep will not be
back so why not deal him. Even a possible trade for Seymour (last pre-season) may $17 mil Peppers deal kept any free agent (other than a scrub) 1,000 miles away from this team.
A lot of this hinges on Peppers. If he is all happy again and it looks like he now is…Things will be easy…If he will not sign a long term deal then the water is muddy as hell.
A guy like Marshall is just a name I tossed out there…from what I know he is a nut case and is probably a total plague…But there are other really good names coming up in free agency and there is NO CAP!!!! Problem is, Furney will never give any of them the time of day. The Panthers make free agents, they do not sign them…
Anyone remember Thomas Davis going down…It took Anderson over a month to get decent at the position all the while Spoon was out there and could have been gotten…But noooo, Fox and Hurney refuse the path of least resistance…
If you think Jake is better than Vick you may be John Fox. Really dude, they may both throw ints…But at least Vick does have his legs (or will next by season) and Jake might as well be in a wheelchair….
You can't make trades unilaterally...
You’re simply not going to be able to find a starting-caliber player in July. There are no FAs who fit that bill left on the market, and the teams who have those players don’t want to get rid of them before they evaluate them in camp (particularly when they move to a new system, as did Leonard, Tyler, and Landri.) For another matter, Hollis Thomas was on the Rams until October 30th. We signed him two days later.
Gonzalez, Heap, Olsen, and Miller are all very highly paid or were very high picks and each has had a season where they were targeted at least 98 times because of the offenses they play in. In Fox’s offense, the most any of our current TEs has been targeted is King with 79 in ‘07 when Delhomme went down. Outside of that, the high is the 48 Dante Rosario had this year. Is it worth it to spend big money in free agency or a first round pick to a position that isn’t emphasized? Further, Olsen doesn’t have the blocking skills to be a starter here. That’s why they have to keep Desmond Clark around.
The Panther’s don’t sign free agents? What was Keydrick Vincent? Landon Johnson? Tyler Brayton? Damione Lewis? Jake Delhomme? All started multiple games for the Panthers this season, four as the primary starters, and there would have been a fifth if not for Kemoeatu’s injury.
And Will Witherspoon was NOT an option for us. He was under contract for $5.5 million this year, and $8 million in each of the next two seasons. If we couldn’t have afforded the $600K difference between Jason Kyle and JJ Jansen, we couldn’t have picked up $5.5 mil for a replacement linebacker. What would we have done next year? Let Davis go? Sit Diggs on the bench while paying him to be a starter? Let Connor and Anderson rot away on the bench?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he was right either...
But Marshall is absolutely better than any wideout we can get in the draft, and Scheffler would immediately become the best all-around TE on our roster, even if that was only a marginal upgrade.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...a "very poor quarterback."
That’s a “very poor quarterback” who had been under center for Jarrett’s best games until yesterday in both catches and yardage. Didn’t exactly see him lighting the world on fire with Carr, Testaverde, or Moore under center until yesterday, and I’d hardly call that performance against a shell of an NFL team career-defining.
So Davidson “designed” a play for Jarrett to make a catch one-handed? Wow. It’s too bad Delhomme couldn’t “fundamental throws.” (sic) You’d think he’d have some kind of handle on that with 123 TDs and almost 20,000 career yards under his belt.
You whine about secondary receivers getting numbers outside of Muhammad and Jarrett. How about Muhammad last year? Keyshawn Johnson in ’06? Or maybe you meant he should have gotten more out of that stud Drew Carter, who went on to such big things after he left.
We don’t need Scheffler. We have three fine TEs on the roster, and they’re each younger and cheaper.
Marshall is a great player, but he’s a headcase, and he’d certainly complain about the looks he’d get as the #2 here.
Vick sucks. He’s never been able to pass, and he can’t even run like he used to.
There would be no draft picks required whatsoever to acquire Richard Seymour. He’s a free agent.
Last I checked, Carruth had no prior criminal activity whatsoever before the Panthers acquired him in the draft. Steve Smith was provoked both times he was involved in physical confrontations with teammates, as dozens of athletes have done. Fred Lane was murdered by his wife. I’m not certain how that qualifies him as a non-“character” guy. Jeremy Bridges was acquitted of all charges in the “champaign” (sic) incident you refer to, as was Hankton in his domestic abuse case. Jarrett had no prior legal issues before he was drafted, and Beason’s case has already been thrown out because it was bullshit.
Finally, great point about Garcia. He was such a great option that the Raiders thought he was an inferior QB to JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, AND J.P. Losman.
P.S.: I wasn’t sure what made this post inappropriate. You’re a troll who fires off libelous personal attacks against people left and right with no concern about the accuracy about your statements. Which would you prefer?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say ... I couldn't agree with MP any more on this one
by BW Smith on Jan 4, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with D-Ranged, you had me interested for the first few paragraphs
But then you went off the deep end with the high character is overrated BS. Ask the Bengals how that has worked out for them. High profile, big splash free agency signing are not Carolina’s MO. We sign the cheap, solid, high character, good work ethic guys who can come in and contribute. Landon Johnson, Nai’l Diggs, Jake Delhomme, Muhsin Muhammad, Damione Lewis, Ma’ake Kemoeatu, and Keydrick Vincent are all prime examples.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2010 6:45 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
Considering the Bengals continued to ignore character in drafting a couple of huge character risks this year (including their #1, Andre Smith) and won the division, I think they’d say they’re doin’ ok. I understand your point, though. I’d also say that Muhammad is a much more mature and more of a good guy overall since his pre-Chicago days. Gun and drug convictions along with his attitude problems (D-Coy in practice?) don’t exactly scream high character.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was not satisfied with the play-calling of Jeff Davidson in the 2nd half.
Only 23 attempts in a game where we’re trying to evaluate Matt Moore, with 9 of them coming in a two minute drill which led to a 30 yard strike to Dwayne Jarrett for a touchdown.
Many of those passes came on 3rd and long situations, and for a while we even made our fullback Brad Hoover our main guy. Exactly why did we try to run the wildcat with Brad Hoover? Honestly? Exactly what was Jeff Davidson thinking on that play? And what about that series we ran with Brad Hoover 3 straight times in a row? Wouldn’t it be a bit wiser to trust the QB that has yet to make a serious mistake in his last three starts? After all, we’re trying to win this game dominantly, not hold up a 3 possession lead.
Thankfully, our defense is just so dominant that the backups of the Saints had no chance to score again. They had another fabulous game today. It’s a shame that a certain penalty screwed then out of a game without a TD.
As of right now, Sutton trumps Goodson. Sutton is a harder runner, while Goodson tends to go down on first contact.
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Not the way we play ball.
If the staff got its wish, I’d bet we’d see about a 50-10 run to pash ratio and about 300 yards for J-Stew.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Link is busted Procton. Where's that from?
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It was from me a couple of days ago.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2009/12/29/1224436/steve-smith-surgery#27930791
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
I’ve looked at several years of results, and I’ve never seen a column in the standings for “dominant wins.” Just Dubs and Ells.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. But then remember this.
How many times have you seen the Panthers get a two possession lead just to watch our offense step off the gas and make it a close game in the 4th quarter? I saw the same type of playcalling in the 2nd half that led to those kinds of comebacks. As long as we’re making 1st downs and running down the clock, I don’t mind. But multiple 3rd and outs would cause much worry no matter who you are.
Considering that we have Goodson back there, a back known for fumbles, I would have called a balanced game. We have to evaluate Moore to see if he can get us Moore touchdowns in 2010.
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Davidson calls the plays.
Fox makes the final decision. Either way, off with Davidson’s head!
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Yeah, but this kind of stuff goes back to before Davidson even got here. Just off the top of my head, back in the 03 divisional round against the Rams we had a lead going into halftime, they came back in tied it, forcing us to win in double OT.
It’s not Davidson. It’s Fox. He loves to sit on a lead.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 3, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
You should be able to trust your defense with a two-score lead in the fourth regardless of your offense's production at that point.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was merely explaining the root cause of what Revshawn was complaining about, not taking a side.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 3, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's very true.
But shouldn’t we at least look like we’re trying to score again?
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Not when you can keep the clock moving.
Look at our receiving corps. Moving it through the air was no sure thing, either.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Especially with our defense.
The penalty was a horse collar, it was fair, the only problem I have is the refs throwing the flag late. If you see something, throw the flag, don’t wait.
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by chinchillas sword on Jan 4, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Again
This was me.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the announcers said it wasn’t a horse collar after initially thinking it was (before replay)? I likely heard them wrong.
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I was listening on the radio
Eugene, Mick, and Jim all agreed that it was a horse collar.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
They need to stop being p.. wait, can’t say that word… v.. no not that one either.. babies :) lol
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Les vagines.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
mancrush moments...
that was probably Fox telling his man on the other sideline, hey- we’re friends, we won’t totally blast you guys out, since you after all sat out some guys…
See you in a couple of weeks buddy :)
The Saints will be lucky to win another game before August. They got beat up by the Cowboys, lost to the hapless Bucs, and benched their starters to save them from embarrassment against a Carolina team playing just as many backups as they were.
Your team peaked too early, and their season ended with New England. Nice run though. :)
Yeah, It hurt to see the team lay down but it served a greater purpose
and we shall see in two weeks. I just hope all the manuvering was worth it but I know this team has more in the tank and capable of winning out.
You guys just wanted to get out of there
You could tell “meaningless game” was the thought on every Saints snap. Hopefully you guys can pull things together and come out in 2 weeks as you did game 1 of the regular season.
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rest or momentum...
i think its stupid too lay down for a loss…
Truth is
If they do well in the playoffs, Payton will look like a genius. If they make the Superbowl he’ll make history. If they lose in 2 weeks, he’ll look like a fool. We’ll see.
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rest or momentum...
New England opted for momentum over resting today. Wes Welker is lost for the post season.
No, but they might lose the next one without Welker
He is a huge part of their offense. Now the opponents can doulbe Moss. That V-8 is now running on 6 cylinders.
patriots were never going to go far in playoffs
they just lack a consistent running game and their defense is prone to being torn apart
This.
An average QB performance gets them stomped when we play them.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
You think that's bad?
Take a look at the late season romp of the Cardinals.
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I don't know abou that....
The Eagles certainly have that quick strike capability that makes the dangerous, but overall Dallas is a much more disciplined team defensively.
What a great playoff matchup next week. Will Dallas be able to sweep the Eagles in three games this season?!! Don’t underestimate the Cowboys (or Green Bay), they are not fancy but they are both hot and very sound in the fundamentals of blocking & tackling… and that can get you a long way.
Nothing about the Cowboys and the word disciplined go together.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
Do you have a compelling argument otherwise?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
No stats if that what your referring to...
only the eyes of an old school football guy who has watched every minute of every Eagles game this season and about half of the Cowboys games and is giving you his gut assessment……and was curious about yours.
I think the Eagles absolutely fight harder for sixty minutes.
I’ve seen the Cowboys pout and give up consistently for years. I’ve not seen any quit in the Eagles, no matter the score. You have seen more of their games than me, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Eagles D certainly does fight for 60 minutes and plays with pride..
and I’m sure DC Sean McDermott will try to tap into that pride this week and use yesterday’s game as motivation. However IMO this years’ defense is just not as good as previous years, which I guess is understandable considering the combined loss of Dawkins, Stewart Bradley & the late Jim Jonnson. The linebacker play in particular has been really bad and too often guys are caught freelancing trying to make big plays.
Yes, your LB corps has been destroyed by injuries.
When you’re at the point you’re signing a guy like Trotter who’s been done for years and he’s seeing significant action, you know there’s trouble.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and GB's blocking is god-awful and has been all season.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think when looking at the scope of "all season" I wouldn't disagree with you, but..
my post was in reference to who was “hot” right now and from what I’ve seen from Dallas & Green Bay in the last 3 weeks, both have looked good in the areas I cited.
Can only imagine what the offseason is gonna bring
Boy were these last few games a pleasure to watch….Seems like they had that passion back….To see Peppers running down the sideline, after Stewart on his touchdown run. Hope that was the incentive he needs to come back to Carolina…I think he really started to find the grove with Meeks…and Beason what a Beast…definitely deserved a probowl nod, I dont care what anyone says lol.
The Defense was hot, along with the special teams, they have been playing lights out…So much to look forward to next year, but fingers crossed…
Chris I know you post here often so …congrats on the win, hope you have a great offseason and look froward to the Panthers building off these last three games…
Have a great 2010 Everyone…
Sean Payton deserves the game ball for sitting the Saints starters
Are you kidding me? The Panthers’ “defense again proved to be a standout and the cornerstone of what the 2010 season should be built around”? Right! Against what was only a shell of the Saints’ #1 ranked offense behind a less than even average Mark Brunell at quarterback and every possible backup player available on that side of the ball (both sides of the ball, for that matter). Brees sat out, Pierre Thomas didn’t make the trip, Shockey was inactive, etc, etc, etc. Great job of limiting the Saints’ #1 ranked offense in the NFL to only 10 points with all the Panthers’ starters for the entire length of the game! Congratulations! I guess you all want a cookie now or something, huh?
Have fun on the golf courses next weekend boys!
"All the Panthers' starters?"
Ma’ake Kemoeatu, Leonard Lewis, Thomas Davis, Landon Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Jordan Gross, and Jeff Otah disagree.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, like the rest of them, he was on IR.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's safe to say the Panther's backups are much better than the Saint's backups
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don't worry
y’all will be joining us out there soon… lack of balls to play out your season like a real team, will bite you in the end…
Wes Welker disagrees.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
but i think REAL players always want to be on the field, regardless. He’s a 110% all the time, and this is NFL football, not back yard flag or touch… injuries have the potential to happen on every play of every game, at any time. That’s the risk in EVERY game.
Which is why it doesn't make sense to take that risk if you don't need to.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Y'all are the sore winners in this totally meaningless game!
Enjoy it while it lasts, which is not longer than this weekend…
If the game is so meaningless, why are you over here afterwards talking smack?
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 3, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me what that game proved for either team today.
Absolutely nothing. Maybe it helped to save John Fox’s job and that’s about it…
Again, I reiterate: If the game was as meaningless as you claim, why are you over here acting like this? I’d think if the game was so pointless, you wouldn’t have complained about the Moore fumble being overturned.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 3, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
If nothing else, it proved the Panther's backups are far better than the Saint's
When your starters go down, you can’t win. However the Panthers just won 3 straight with many key backups. So, go win the Superbowl, and then you can talk… Because if you lose in 2 weeks you’ll be no better than this 8-8 team that just beat you!
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It means we are undefeated in 2010.
Unlike the Saints. :)
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by chinchillas sword on Jan 4, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me what that game proved for either team today.
Absolutely nothing. Maybe it helped to save John Fox’s job and that’s about it…
What it proved:
That the Panthers depth is better than the Saints depth.
It also showed me how screwed the Saints are without their starters.
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I think you're reading too much into it without knowing what you're comparing...
And, if things work out as planned, they won’t be without their starters for the playoffs starting in two weeks.
Injuries don't happen?
I’m just saying that there are teams who can adjust to losing key starters, and those who can’t.
I didn’t see a bright spot from the Saints’ depth is all I’m saying.
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I don't think we came over to CSC to talk smack
after this win. Whereas you guys are over here after a loss. There’s something wrong about that picture.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Give me a freaking break...
As for the “highly questionable Unnecessary Roughness’ penalty on Captain Munnerlyn”, what about the highly questionable overturning of the fumble by Moore and touchdown by Anthony Hargrove early on that would have changed the whole outcome of the game? I didn’t hear any Carolina fans complaining to the refs for that one…
That's because it was the right call.
When you’re holding on to the ball while you’re touched down, it’s not a fumble. Or are you new to the game?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
If you rewatch the game.
Every single time that player was tackled he got up real slow. Like his will to live had been crushed or something. I got a good laugh every time.
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Robert Meachem
Every time he was tackled during this game, especially after the penalty, he’d always get up reaaaally slowly.
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I thought it was funny because he was acting like a pussy.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dome football breeds that kind of player.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Billick and Brenneman questions the Munnerlyn penalty.
Neither of them are blind homers… so I’ll go with their analysis over a fan of one team or another.
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What? Tackling him?
No face mask, no horse collar, ball in the air… I fail to see why it was called.
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This is football... not curling
Show me where in the NFL rulebook it says “Slamming an opponents’ head to the ground during a legal tackle is a penalty” and I might agree with you.
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Sure, let me wear a helmet and get paid millions of dollars and I'll gladly accept.
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Wow!
Super-smart AND a tough guy! What are the chances we would find someone like that on the internet. :)
Hey James.
I have a really good image for this occasion, but I hesitate to post it for fear of overdoing it.
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Ah well.
I’m sure my pwnage cat will get a chance sometime.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
OOOOO!
I have something to look forward to now. : )
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
His hand was off of him several feet before he hit the ground.
Results don’t define the process that got you there.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
AGREED
it is what he gets payed for- hit the guy who’s catching the ball. There’s nothing in the rules that say defender is responsible for the safe and soft landing of offensive player he just whacked…
I don't think it had anything to do with the landing
I believe they considered it a “clothesline” tackle — very different from the old days, when DBs made their living dispensing that kind of justice to WRs coming into their territory. I’ve forgotten the name of the guy now, but I think the rule change was named after him, a Raider, I recall — 20-30 years ago, when pro football was really a contact sport.
I'm sure he won't.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Typically..
Fines aren’t handed out for clean (and exceptionally well done) tackles. No matter how many times I watch the reply, all I see is a high tackle (which is perfectly legal). After which, gravity took its course. There was no slamming of anything.
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James The Aussie - This is for you
I responded to the questions you posed yesterday on the “Panthers vs Saints Matchups” post. Just wanted to let you know.
Would be interested in learning if I swayed your thoughts any.
In any event, congrats to you and your Panthers on closing out the season so well and good luck next year.
RealHeavyD, perhaps you don't understand.
Firstly, do you know anything of the opponents you talk trash about? If you did, you’d know we probably had less starters playing than the Saints. Oh, and Moore is our 3rd string quarterback if you didn’t know. Our only receiving threat didn’t play today (Moose is on the downside of his career and the rest of our receivers are non-existent). Our defense is running off of back-ups after multiple injuries, and our o-line is missing quite a few of its star players. Stewart is also our 2nd string back, and he only ran twice in the second half I believe, leaving our fourth string back to play.
One damaged teams back-ups beat a team resting their starters. Alright, wonderful. Why are you over here acting like your heart is broken?
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Well done.
Ignorance by choice.
Look at our IR list. That’s all I’m going to say. 3 Defensive tackles. A star linebacker and Wideout. I could keep going if I didn’t feel I was wasting my time.
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Saints' IR list
WR Harper, Rod
CB Torrence, Leigh
CB Jones, Reggie
S Vaughn, Chip
FB Evans, Heath
FB Mailei, Marcus
LB Simoneau, Mark
LB Dunbar, Jo-Lonn
T Brown, Jammal
DT Clancy, Kendrick
TE Miller, Billy
LB Arnoux, Stanley
WR Woods, D’Juan
TE Campbell, Dan
Are they starters?
Because you said you had most of your starters benched. If they’re injured, they’re not benched… or the majority of those injuries aren’t starters – one or the other.
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5 of the 14 on IR were either starters or immediate #2's...
3 were rookies who were either expected to contribute right away, or were contributing this season before going down. What’s the point in arguing? Injuries are a part of the game. The important thing for the Saints is to get their walking wounded as healthy as possible now in the next two weeks before they need to play at 100% again and get beat up some more…
You're right.
There’s no point. We were perfectly content taking a low-key victory and going into the off season to prepare for next season, while you guys prepared for the play-offs. Then we get slammed for, well, I don’t even know what the purpose was. After that, you really don’t just expect us to lay down, do you?
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So call off the dogs!
I have quit complaining already! I just had to get it off my chest! Surely y’all can understand that…
They will calm down..
Though some are still catching older posts for the first time and responding to such.
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"Immediate #2" is irrelevant.
We’ve had eight players go on IR who were starting at the time. EIGHT.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
This just means you'll have something to blame your playoff loss on
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Exactly one of those players (Brown) is a Pro-Bowl caliber player.
Davis, Smith, Gross, and Delhomme all arel.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Delhomme as a Pro Bowl Caliber player.
The best thing to happen to the Panthers winning % this year was Delhomme going on IR.
Last I checked, he made the Pro Bowl in 2005.
That defines a Pro Bowl player.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
He also has 18 INTs in 12 games in 2009
Which is a little more relevant, though you keep making excuses for
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Mark Brunell made the Pro Bowl 3 times
Does that make him a Pro Bowl player?
Does that make him 3 times as good as Delhomme?
Or does it just illustrate how living in the past means nothing in the “what have you done for me lately” world of pro football?
(Brunell 39; Delhomme 34 = past their peaks)
He's certainly a Pro Bowl player.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
That answer the first of 3 questions.
…and the answers to the other two are………..?
I didn't make any of those assertions.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Who said you did?
I just politely asked you to answer all 3 of my questions of you, not just the one.
If I were to ask you “Is the sky blue?” it doesn’t imply you ever asserted it was or wasn’t.
Sorry Proc, But you just made you argument sound really bad by putting Jake on that list
He has a 59 QB rating and 18 INTs in 12 games. It’s seems like you aren’t paying attention at all… just trying to promote the guy.
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See above.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
And?
What do they have to do with anything? Here you go..
QB Jake Delhomme; QB Josh McCown; WR Steve Smith; RB DeAngelo Williams; RB Tyrell Sutton; DT Tank Tyler; DT Louis Leonard; DT Corey Irvin; DT Maake Kemoeatu; DB Nate Salley; G C.J. Davis; LB Kelvin Smith; LB Landon Johnson; LB Thomas Davis
Most of those are players that would be playing had they not been injured, or their back-ups, which were also injured (so we’re playing back-up back-ups). Fact being, your back-ups lost to, mostly, our back-ups. I thought you would handle a loss respectfully but instead you came to whine and claim it was unfair.. Blame your coach if you wanted to win that bad. You had the talent on the bench, we had it on IR..
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By the way..
Have any of us been taunting the Saints as if we had defeated their first team? No.
Thanks.
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What would Jesus do?
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You're absolutely right.. in fact, let us combine our powers..
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That is the best thing I have seen all day.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 3, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!
We are now the Wondertwins!
Anti-Troll powers activate! :D
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Loved it!
The Troll Patrol. :)
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
realheavyd is a moron
I mean friggin dumb…who taught you how to type dumbshit???? And btw the saints are last years titans…they suck delhomme owns your life go suck on paytons asshole you salad tossing cry baby
What have you done for me lately?
by Steve785 on Jan 3, 2010 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The one who pulls for the Saints when the Panthers are available?
You kind of set yourself up for that, for what it’s worth… ;)
Sorry, I should be capable of better
I’m too worn out from cheering my team on today. :)
And please let’s stop egging on other posters. His post was hidden. No sense in continuing a fight that shouldn’t be here anyway.
Man, what a nice efficient win win to end the season on a high note..
I thought this was a real solid way to end the season. Moore was efficient and didn’t turn the ball over, our O line was solid, our D was tenacious and created turnovers.
Man Dallas & Green Bay looked really good today as they enter the playoffs. Should be an interesting playoff run.
hahaaa i knew that comment was going to get deleted
I hope you got to read it first.
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by Steve785 on Jan 3, 2010 8:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks, for us it was a nice way to finish a tough season....
I hope you guys are happy with the way you finished the season and once again I wish you luck in the playoffs and will be curious to see Payton’s late season stratedgy works out.
You guys in the Bayou speak some French, right?
Look up the term ‘Nouveau riche’ and you’ll understand my feelings towards the Saints and their playoffs.
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I told you guys I'd pull for you against anyone but MIN
But seeing what sore losers you are, and you’re inability to keep trash talk “fun and friendly”… I now really hope you lose in the 1st playoff game.
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I second that.
I had all intentions of supporting the Saints through the play-offs but I have to agree with you.
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Make that a third
I’m all for the NFC South, but you guys are making it really tough.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Southtunnel, I would not expect anything less from you and your pals
Cant help ya’ll being Division rivals but that is what makes football so much fun. Ya’ll have a great team and always have but this is our year so get over it. Win lose or draw, we deserve a shot and it has been a year to remember for us. You and your team has had your day in the sun but you can’t take this away from us now. We gave ya’ll the game yesterday so what more do you want? We did not contribute to your 8-8 season because we split our games but two games does not make a season. Anyway, enjoy the time off and I will see ya’ll next year and maybe we can do this again.
We're not trying to.
You guys earned all 13 of those wins, but coming over here and talking trash after a loss is really poor form.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
Great way to end the season guys
Panthers take a horrible season, and end on a high note.
Bobcats beat Miami and Cleveland on the road, to to be undefeated on the road in 2010… AND maintain playoff contention.
Good things going on this weekend
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You know what I hate about New Orleans?
It’s not the Saints or the way their fans have come in here all in a tizzy. It’s that they stole our friggin Charlotte Hornets. I grew up on that team and they absolutely thrived here. Too bad the owner was a jerk. I’m still bitter about that.
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They didn't steal them.
We let Shinn move. If the city had objected, he never would have been allowed to move.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's called being facetious
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It's called being wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
You would know
Really though, you sound about 15 years old when you do this whole “I know you are but what am I” routine
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by southtunnel on Jan 3, 2010 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In Foxs press conference he was asked if he wanted to stay in Carolina
And he completely blew off the question. Totally sounded like a guy that wasn’t happy with his job.
Why would he stay here on the hot seat, if he’s guaranteed a long term somewhere else? I think he’s gone.
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by southtunnel on Jan 3, 2010 11:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yup
Sometimes I hate being right, but I wrote about this the night the announcement was made and now it seems to be coming to roost.
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When was an announcement made.
The only announcement from Fox or the organization has been that he’s under contract and there’s no announcment.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Richardson announced that he wasn't making any changes
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2010 7:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not true.
I don’t think Richardson has made any announcements whatsoever since the brothers resigned and the new President was hired.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
You are right, the Observer reported it
And since you love to get nit picky about wording.. I doubt Richardson announced it to anyone. He probably just drew little pictures or played a game of charades to get the message out.
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MP is right about this one
There’s never been any announcement from the Panthers’ organization about any of this. All of this derived from the “unnamed sources” that Tom Sorenson alluded to when he “broke” the story last week. Even he didn’t say Richardson told him.
No attribution, no press conference, nothing but another beat reporter.
by bigdavis on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's ok...facts aren't important to people here.
You’d know.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
OK...go ahead and post his quote, then.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
What do you not understand about "You are right, the Observer reported it"?
Are you so bent on ticking people off that you don’t even read when they acknowledge that you are right? Do you think this is your personal forum just to agitate people? Because that is what you do 80% of the time.
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You also mocked me with your little "pictures and charades" line.
Was that your personal attempt just to agitate me?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not..
But being there have been so many people hating on Fox this season, it just adds to the fact that you two are likely correct. Lacking fan support + everything else that has been mentioned = no Fox.
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Why would he go elsewhere, though?
He’s not exactly underpaid here — would he get more elsewhere?
More importantly (and especially after the way the team has come together, in so many phases of the game, the last 3 times out) don’t you think he must feel this team has a far better chance of reaching the playoffs next year (and a lot of people here think a good run towards the Big Game) than any other team that’s bad enough to need a new HC??
Funny, but the main basis for criticism of Fox has been his loyalty.
Absolutely..
But there’s no telling what goes on in the head of someone like Fox.. I’m hoping he stays and blowing the question off was just him being secretive.
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He is that.
We don’t know anything about the motivations that move these guys, coaches and players, but I feel myself that there’ll be fewer changes than we’re speculating on.
Had we not won these last three games, and handily, with so many successes, on both sides of the ball, there’d be a lot of reasons to leave — now, guys have got to have the same optimism about next year that we do. And that works to make one stick around. Everybody wants to be part of a winner, and I think all the Panthers now view themselves that way — (next year.)
Part of the outcome is out of his control
What if there’s a bunch of injuries again next year or something like that? Why not go ahead and take a long term with more guaranteed money, rather than stick with an organization that has you on the hot seat?
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2010 7:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that certainly makes sense.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I can't tell when you are being serious
Or just trying to annoy people by being critical
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OK?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
If the Panthers indeed don't want to commit to a 2011 salary...
(and all this is dependent on Sorenson’s “story”) because they fear a lockout in 2 years, and don’t want to pay for no work — why do you think some other team would?
And Fox’s salary of $6myn is among the highest in the league, for a coach who doesn’t also hold the title of GM.
Just as with Peppers, I think this all gets worked out, and both stay for the ride in 2010.
But a guarantee of just $7 mil for the next two years would be a better deal.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
That's obvious on its face.
But do you know or have you heard that any team is considering such an offer? Of course you don’t, so it’s just idle speculation — a number bigger than 6 that you pulled out of the hat.
Again I ask — why would some other team pay for 2011, before they know there’ll be a league playing that year?
Because they'd need to to secure a top coach like Fox.
It really wouldn’t be that hard to write a work stoppage clause into the contract that would reduce or eliminate his play if there is a lockout.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 5, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me Fox always avoids direct questions until the absolute necessary time to divulge answers. He’s a ’I’ll tell you when the time is right’ kind of person. I don’t think this necessarily means his answer may be a negative one. More than likely means it’s something he’s milling over.
by EyeSack on Jan 3, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He would get more elsewhere.
You can’t find an established coach who’s signed for less than $6 mil total in the last five years, if not ten.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Or sounded like a guy that doesn't negotiate through the media.
What good does that do anybody?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Random Thoughts
Fire Davidson
Keep Peppers, Fox and Moose
Kasay to retire?
Fire Davidson
Did Matt Moore show enough to let the Panthers focus on Line depth?
After giving everyone a three game head-start (no DT’s!), the Panthers played pretty well.
Too bad it was jarette and not K Moore – I wanted that controversy done.
and in case I forgot to mention it – Fire Davidson!
Have a great off season everyone!
by panthersnbraves on Jan 3, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions
Kasay’s contracted for three or four more years. He’s not going anywhere.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 4, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Unless he decides he wants to retire
I agree though, he’s a solid kicker for us.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I like Kasay ALOT....
…but time is going to come when he decides to retire. :(
…I’d like to see us start to keep an eye Alex Henery, Nebraska. He’s a jr this year so won’t be available for awhile. But he seems to have a leg! Accuracy AND distance… at least… so far.
Like I said, I’d like to see them keep an eye on him….. Kasay is a TOUGH act to follow. Keep him as long as we can! 3 or 4 more years would would be GREAT.
by 12th_Man_Fan on Jan 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
On kicking:
Personally, I’d like to see the Panthers have Rhys Lloyd kick exclusively during the preseason games. It’s not like Kasay needs to warm up at this point.
Why not see if Lloyd can be accurate, then you only need to have 1 kicker on roster when the time comes for Kasay.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
He certainly had success in the role in both college and NFLE.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
+1
But I’m happy for jarret. I want k. Moore to do well too but oh wells. I think jarret may still be able to be moose in the future. Just taller naybe faster.
by bannedfromsbnation on Jan 4, 2010 6:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And WAY more inconsistent.
Just for reference, Muhammad was 68-941-6 by his third year in the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Now that the season's over, a few thoughts.....
First, I for one would like to see the Saints win the Superbowl, and here’s why:
1) They’re from OUR division, and ANY advertising attention it draws to our division I’m all for. I am SO tired of hearing about how tough the NFC East is….. I like our division and I think we have some good, tough, talented teams that don’t get the kind of respect in the media that they should. (Bucs aside… they REALLY need to do something.)
2) It will be nice beating the SuperBowl champs TWICE next year.
3) I don’t see them winning it this year and making it again next year, which bodes well for us.
Other….
2010 looks promising for us. I’d like to see:
- Matt Moore under center
- Full starting Offensive line, healthy and hungry
- D-Will & J-Stew “Full On”
- Steve Smith healthy, ready, and hungry
- Moose back. (I like him. He does #1 Priority=Catch the damn ball! YAC are nice, but you gotta catch it 1st))
- Peppers Back and the Defense going full throttle, just where they left off
- Ron Meeks 2nd year performance, adjustments, and enhancements
- FOX back for his final year – JUST for stability.
…just the ramblings of this die-hard Panthers fan.
2010 looks hopeful.
I wouldn't quite go so far as to say Muhammad is a reliable pass-catcher.
He always has a ton of drops for the number of catches he manages.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
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