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Why did Crossman get the boot?  Well...

From Profootballtalk.com:

"The Panthers struggled this year on special teams, finishing 30th in kickoff coverage, 29th in punt coverage, 30th on kickoff returns, and 17th on punt returns."

 

This 3rd but very important segment of our football team was anything but special.  I'm not sure why this move was not made 2 or 3 years ago.  Who will the Panthers look at as a replacement?  I am not up to speed on the hot special teams coach candidates.

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Al Everest has had some good special teams out in SanFran, but he just recently got canned because of the lack of a return game. However, when he was with the Saints his players broke team records, and he’s been pretty good in SanFran to until this year.

by bravesfan91 on Jan 14, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Bobby April is for hire

He ran some very good ST units up in Buffalo.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Jan 15, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

No, Bobby April was hired by Philly within an hour of our firing Crossman.

So we have to strike that guy off our list of potential candidates, sadly.

by r3 on Jan 15, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's how bad it really was:

(from Panthers .com)

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-1/Crossman-not-retained-as-special-teams-coach/eef1a01b-8e37-4d13-a400-5435add8a896

Five seasons as ST coach = 5 seasons without a return for a TD

“Crossman had been the team’s special-teams coach for five seasons since replacing Scott O’Brien, who moved on to the Miami Dolphins after the 2004 campaign. The 2009 campaign was Crossman’s seventh on the Panthers staff; he worked under O’Brien as a special-teams assistant in 2003 and 2004.

Under Crossman’s watch, the Panthers enjoyed stability among their kickers; John Kasay and Jason Baker handled full-time placekicking and punting duties, respectively, while Rhys Lloyd became the kickoff specialist in Week 17 of the 2007 season and remained there the following two seasons, leading the NFL in touchbacks with 51 over the last two seasons.

But in spite of Lloyd’s kickoff proficiency, the Panthers struggled on kickoff coverage. Lloyd’s 30-percent touchback ratio ranked fifth in the league last season, but when opponents returned his kickoffs, their average drive start was at their 29.6, the fourth-worst in the league.

Kickoff returns were also a point of frustration for the Panthers in recent seasons. Their collective average of 20.3 yards per kickoff return in the last five years ranked 32nd in that span, was 2.3 yards below the league average (22.6) and four yards behind the league’s best (New England, 24.3).

During the last five years, 13 teams had single-season kickoff-return averages below 20 yards. Three of those 13 — the most in the league — were by the Panthers, including a 19.9-yard average in 2009 that ranked 31st.

Carolina fared better on punt returns the last five years; the team’s 8.4-yard average ranked 20th in the league in that span.

Return touchdowns were also difficult to find. The Panthers are the only team without a kickoff- or punt-return touchdown in the last five seasons; they’ve allowed five to opponents in that span, including two in 2009: an 85-yard DeSean Jackson punt return in Week 1 and a 97-yard Sammie Stroughter kickoff return for Tampa Bay in Week 6.

The Panthers’ regular-season special-teams touchdown return drought goes back to Dec. 28, 2003, when Steve Smith scored on a 58-yard punt runback against the New York Giants.

Carolina also had some difficulties with punt protection, allowing a league-worst five punts to be blocked in the last five years, including three in 2008. The Panthers were also one of six teams to not block an opponent’s punt in the last five years. Their last punt block was by Karl Hankton on Dec. 26, 2004 at Tampa Bay in the penultimate game of O’Brien’s tenure."

by bigdavis on Jan 15, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Smith did return a punt for a TD in an 05 playoff game versus the Seahawks

So it’s not a complete drought.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Jan 16, 2010 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You're absolutely right about that.

Panthers.com was limiting their comments to regular season games, from which the drought extended back 2 more years.

by bigdavis on Jan 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I had forgotten that one

thanks for the distant memory ;)

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by Jaxon on Jan 16, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Ted Daisher from the Eagles?

He was fired after only 1 year there as ST coach, despite their ST ratings rising from #13 to #2 last year. Granted that was almost all on their #1 showing in Punt Returns, which is because of the great year that DeSean Jackson had — but maybe some of that was because of superior blocking schemes that Daisher set up?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

Here’s an article on why Daisher got fired — largely because Bobby April was available, and Philly thought he was too good to pass on.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/81651047.html

Hope we give Daisher a long look.

by bigdavis on Jan 15, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Daisher

That was a surprising move by the Eagles. I don’t follow stats very closley, but I did watch every Eagles game this season and overall I thought the ST units were decent. Interesting, earlier this week I heard rumblings on the radio that Reid & Daisher had an animated exchange on the the sideline during last week’s playoff loss to Dallas.

by paydirt16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

They didn't fire him until after they signed April

which means he may have stayed if not for April’s availability. After watching Jackson torch us in game one on ST’s I wouldn’t be mad at getting that guy

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by Jaxon on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

Just took a look at Eagle’s kick return rating on NFL.com and they were tied for 29th overall with the Titans.

Granted I haven’t seen much of their ST (should Rewind it) but they just barely finished better than us :-)

I saw a lot of grumbling on Bills sites too regarding April. A lot of the fan base seems to think he can’t hack it post-wedge…

by GuyIncognito on Jan 15, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The Eagles kick return game was pretty good until returner Quintin Demps got injured. They replaced Demps with rookie Macho Harris who was not nearly as effective.

by paydirt16 on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I see.

As long as the blocking is good I’d be fine with it.

I can’t tell what to make of Munnerlyn on punt returns because the gunners always seem to get to him about two seconds before the ball does…

by GuyIncognito on Jan 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He was actually the one improvement in ST in 2009

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by Jaxon on Jan 15, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This firing underscores my early observation about Sorenson being misread...

…when he originally quoted an unnamed Panther source that Fox wouldn’t be fired or extended.

Several people then extrapolated from that to the extent that his whole coaching staff was to be rehired (or not replaced) — now it’s obvious that it was only Fox who was safe for 2010.

by bigdavis on Jan 16, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

*crosses fingers for Davidson next*

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly understand where your coming from...

but at the same time, I don’t want to see a new Offensive Coordinator with a new scheme take over.
Not this season anyway. We have too much in place right now and IMO it would be best to come into camp and pick up right where we left off. Case in point: just look at James’s, current Meeks Thread…look at how it took the D several games to pick up Meeks’system. IMO If we bring in a new coordinator we’re gonna lose alot of time in camp acclimating when we could be preparing to kick ass. Also it seemed as though Davidson actually had some chemistry with Moore and for whatever reason his play calling looked alot better with Moore at QB. I’m not a big Davidson fan, I think unlike Meeks, he struggles to adjust his schemes to fit his personnel, however I think he’s actually a decent X’s & O’s guy and I do think he made some adjustments at the end of the season to help the O-line and Matt Moore.

by paydirt16 on Jan 16, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope you're right.

But if Davidson comes in and ruins our season again, I’m going to cry myself to sleep until the following season starts.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Jan 16, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I can’t believe I’m actually trying to state the case for keeping him.

by paydirt16 on Jan 16, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

In spite of the questionable play calls

it would be better to bring him back for 2010. Since there is a good chance of work stoppage in 2011, next year has to be our year. As long as the offense protects the ball the Panthers running game and D will keep them in most games. If things turn around we could be calling Davidson a genius a year from now ;)

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by Jaxon on Jan 16, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Genius is quite a strong word… Perhaps reformed moron?

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Jan 16, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me...

or does this Ravens – Colts game blow? Just one piss poor play after another

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by Jaxon on Jan 16, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Turnovers have killed the Ravens

and penalties

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by Jaxon on Jan 16, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I crap...thought I was in the game thread...ooops

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by Jaxon on Jan 16, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

I would suggest putting the alcohol down but it’s late enough to keep pouring ;)

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Jan 16, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the ref's ruined it.

Blown calls made it so one-sided it’s now a pissing contest instead of an edge-of-the-seat finish to a defensive battle.

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by D-Ranged1 on Jan 16, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't call him a genius

I’ve called him Gump too many times to call him genius. I may go with reformed moron (nice one D-Ranged) but I can’t call him a genius.

by BW Smith on Jan 17, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

From CSR sister blog Pride of Detroit (Crossman hired by Lions today)

(note the difference of looking at Crossman’s record):

“The Lions have hired Danny Crossman to be the team’s special teams coordinator. Crossman was previously the special teams coordinator for the Carolina Panthers from 2005-09 and had been with that franchise since 2003. He was fired after this past season, though. Before joining the Panthers, Crossman was an assistant in college football. He started out at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and later went on to coach for Western Kentucky, Central Florida, Georgia Tech, and Michigan State.

Here is what Jim Schwartz had to say about the hire:

    “We are pleased to add Danny (Crossman) to our coaching staff. He brings a wealth of both college and NFL coaching experience that undoubtedly will have a positive impact on our special teams play. I’ve known Danny for a long time, and I’ve always had tremendous respect for his special teams units.”

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Based on the stats provided in the Lions’ press release on this hire, Crossman seemed to do a good job with the Panthers’ special teams.

    In 2008, the Panthers ranked third in the NFL with an opponent average drive start following kickoffs of 24.7. They were one of only three teams that did not allow an opponent to start a drive following kickoffs past the 50-yard-line. Carolina led the NFL in touchbacks (30) and touchback percentage (33.7), and the team was ninth in the league by allowing a 21.9 opponent kickoff return average.

    In his first season (2005) as special teams coach, Crossman’s group ranked among the best in the league. That season, the Panthers ranked ninth in the comprehensive Dallas Morning News special teams ratings which was highlighted with rankings of second in punt coverage and seventh in kickoff coverage.

    Under Crossman’s tutelage, Panthers P Jason Baker set the franchise record in net punting average in both 2005 (38.9) and 2006 (39.0). In both seasons, Baker’s net punting average ranked first in the NFC and third in NFL. From 2005-09, Baker ranked eighth in the NFL with a combined net punting average of 38.0.

The Panthers’ press release on the move to not retain Crossman was of a much different tone and detailed Carolina’s special teams struggles of late.

    But in spite of Lloyd’s kickoff proficiency, the Panthers struggled on kickoff coverage. Lloyd’s 30-percent touchback ratio ranked fifth in the league last season, but when opponents returned his kickoffs, their average drive start was at their 29.6, the fourth-worst in the league.

    Kickoff returns were also a point of frustration for the Panthers in recent seasons. Their collective average of 20.3 yards per kickoff return in the last five years ranked 32nd in that span, was 2.3 yards below the league average (22.6) and four yards behind the league’s best (New England, 24.3).

    During the last five years, 13 teams had single-season kickoff-return averages below 20 yards. Three of those 13 — the most in the league — were by the Panthers, including a 19.9-yard average in 2009 that ranked 31st.

    Carolina fared better on punt returns the last five years; the team’s 8.4-yard average ranked 20th in the league in that span.

    Return touchdowns were also difficult to find. The Panthers are the only team without a kickoff- or punt-return touchdown in the last five seasons; they’ve allowed five to opponents in that span, including two in 2009: an 85-yard DeSean Jackson punt return in Week 1 and a 97-yard Sammie Stroughter kickoff return for Tampa Bay in Week 6.

    Carolina also had some difficulties with punt protection, allowing a league-worst five punts to be blocked in the last five years, including three in 2008. The Panthers were also one of six teams to not block an opponent’s punt in the last five years. Their last punt block was by Karl Hankton on Dec. 26, 2004 at Tampa Bay in the penultimate game of O’Brien’s tenure.

That doesn’t exactly sound very impressive, nor does the fact that Football Outsiders ranked Carolina 29th in its special teams ratings. (The Lions were ranked 31st, by the way.) Also, if the joyous reaction Panthers fans had to news that Crossman was fired says anything, it’s that they were ready for a change just as much as Lions fans were with the firing of Stan Kwan. I will have more on what Carolina fans thought of Crossman in another post."

by bigdavis on Jan 22, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Boy that part from Detroit was some serious spin

As if Crossman has anything to do with touchbacks…hilarious

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by Jaxon on Jan 23, 2010 5:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Lions fan here from P.O.D. I’m not impressed with what I’ve heard about Crossman. Apparently, his main strength is that he’s not Stan Kwan.

I feel like the Lions have traded an Edsel for a Ford Pinto.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Jan 25, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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