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5 Reason to be Optimistic about the 2009 Carolina Panthers

Despite all of the negatives we have gone through this preseason, I'm beginning to feel a bit of optimism going into the regular season this week. Sure there are questions, but how many teams don't have any questions. Here are 5 reasons I am optimistic the Panthers will have a great season.

Strong Leaders

Both the offensive and defense have a strong leader, Jake Delhomme and Jon Beason definitely fit that role. Anytime they are on the field their presence sometimes could be considered a 12th man.

Star-divide

Fox's History

This could be argued both ways, but out of current active coaches John Fox has the fifth highest winning percentage at .563% and 7th in number of playoff appearances. Regardless of your opinion he has lead the panthers to more post season appearances that the rest of the team's history (3 in 7 years versus 1 in 7 years).

Great Running Game

With DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, and Mike Goodson carrying the ball and lead blocker Brad Hoover, the Panthers running game is second tier to none. Even if Stewart misses some of the season, I have high confidence in the others to pick up the slack. Someone mentioned that Goodson is a poor mans Brian Westbrook. It will take time to determine, but I would argue that he could be just as good as Westbrook.

Filled Some Key Holes

With the lost of Ma'ake Kemoeatu at the beginning of training camp, we went through the preseason without a true space filler in the middle. We have since picked up Louis Leonard and Re'Shon Harris. We didn't have a need for all star DT and these two players seems to be the run stuffer we were looking for. Time will obviously tell if they are the answer, but I feel more confident about our defense with their addition to the team.

Not the Bucs, Lions, Raiders (etc)

Basically I mean we are not in rebuilding mode. Again, going back to Fox, the team he puts in place from year to year usually spurs talk of our potential. And that is only what every team has as the beginning of the year, potential; some just have more than others. I'd rather be in contention from year to year than going through the pains of rebuilding.

This also means how do you define a successful season, if you only define it as a Superbowl win, then you are missing a lot from this sport. This is how I see it this year--having a winning season: great; making the playoffs: even better; winning 1 or more playoff game: now we are talking; winning the superbowl: priceless.

 

There you have it, five reasons I am looking forward to watching the Panthers play every weekend from now until the end of the year.

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Nice article LittleKing

Brief, to the point, optimistic… getting us ready for some tackle football.

I too am very excited about the running game. Last year it took us half a season to really figure out how to be dominant running the ball, and we still came in 3rd. Now we get to start the season with that chemistry already intact. And it shows, because it seems this pre-season that we have been able to move the chains no matter who the RB is. In addition DeAngelo seems to have all the confidence in the world.

However the pessimist in me (no surprise I’m sure) must disagree about the need for a star DT. We have been hurting up the middle ever since Jenkins left. I think we needed more help at that position with Kemo… without him it’s a huge problem.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely with you Southtunnel how can a guy say that you don’t need a star DT in this league ??? WTF ??

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well a lot of people have pointed out the improved defense in the Steelers game

I just don’t like that the game we played our best, was the game both teams starters played the least. Come this Sunday it will NOT be these backups determining the outcome of the game.

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by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probowler

My point was along the same point James the Aussie pointed out. I should have said probowler instead of star DT. I can see a distinction between the two.

Sure I would love to have an annual probowler on the line at DT but at this point we were not going to sign one, mainly because of cap space, but also because that not the way Fox and Hurney does business. Hurney has been an excellent talent scout lately (at least in the draft) and I currently have faith in him to find the right players we need. With all of that in mind getting a serviceable DT at this point make me feel much better about the D than I did a week ago.

Does that make since.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any 340 lb DT can fill that role

That’s all Kemo brought to the table. His tackles were not spectacular and he never got QB pressure or a sack. He is little more than a big guy that people had to run around.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a little more than that...

In a defensive scheme, Kemo’s big enough that it requires both a C and a G to engage him. That means he absorbs 2 blockers on almost every play (both run and pass). In the running game, that means the LBs get to freelance behind him because they don’t have to worry about an offensive lineman getting in their face when they’re trying to fly to the ball. In the passing game, that means Kemo may not be able to push the pocket very far, but it should free up the other DLs and the occasional blitzing LB or S to make plays instead.

It’s all part of why this is a team sport. The individual battles and outcomes in a microcosm aren’t the whole picture. It all has to fit together or the defensive unit doesn’t operate at peak performance. Without Kemo (or a DT large enough and capable enough to fill his shoes) our coaches will need to change the defensive scheme to compensate for his absence. And depending on what you think of that, it could be a good thing or a bad thing.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also recall a key 4th down TFL last season

the specific game escapes me, the Bucs I want to say. He could get after it at times and was more than a fat guy you had to run around.

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by Jaxon on Sep 9, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But we rarely blitzed?

And if he really always occupied 2 blockers then that means Lewis was almost always single covered. So do you think Lewis is the weak link? Again, DEs can’t do much if the DTs don’t prevent the QB from stepping way up in the pocket… which was often the case. So who’s responsible for that?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty common knowledge...

…that DTs rarely get pressure on the QB. Particularly the space-eating kind who usually come out on obvious passing downs in favor of smaller, quicker DTs as part of a defensive rotation unit. Even so, the typicaly “collapsing of the pocket” gets generated by edge-rushing DEs, blitzing LBs or safeties…or a stunt that frees one of the D-linemen to come around an O-lineman who’s already engaged with someone.

So, the “stepping up in the pocket” is a fairly easy thing to do when they keep maximum protection (i.e., all 5 OLs and a FB/RB to assist). Since we’re only rushing 4 guys, that means there’s 6 guys blocking us and giving their QB time. So you’re just not going to see a lot of pocket collapsing in that scheme. As a result, we really count on our faster DEs to eventually work past opposing OLs to pressure the QB and make him hurry a throw. Of course, we’re also counting on our secondary to buy them enough time to do that.

That’s pretty much how it works. Now, on non-obvious passing downs, we keep the space-eating DT (like Kemo) in the lineup and his responsibility is to continue occupying two OLs and shut down any draw plays to the RB, or at least slow him down until the LBs can react to it. That’s pretty much the extent of Kemo is asked to do given his role on the team. Anything more than that is just icing on the cake.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that we don't need a 'star' DT.

Let me preface this by saying that I consider a ‘star’ to be a probowl, or probowl caliber player.

I think a star DT can hide the lack of skill of an LB core, and vice versa. We have so much unbridled talent at linebacker that we don’t need a Probowl stud. We need a guy who can come in, step up and plug a running lane and let Beason do his thing.

After all, who is the Pittsburgh Steeler’s ‘star’ DT? What about the Philedelphia Eagles? Who is their ‘star’ DT? I could go on and on….

The ‘stars’ at that position are most often on teams that lack playmakers at DE.

I miss the SB season Jenkins too… but I think we need to realize that was a once-a-decade line. Peppers, Buckner, Jenkins, Rucker were insane on every level. It will be almost impossible to find a line like that again for a long time.

by James The Aussie on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-3 defense doesn't work well without a strong d-line

The Steelers run a 3-4, which allows LBs to hug the line a bit more and make plays early. But the 4-3 relies more on the d-line to create havoc in order to make opportunities for the secondary. Since Jenkins left we haven’t been able to get consistent pressure up the middle. As in 2003, I would rather compromise the secondary to have a more dominant line… because in a 4-3 that is where it all starts.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 3 4-3 defenses in the NFL in 2008:

- Eagles
- Redskins
- Giants

None of whom had a dominant, game changing DT. They all use servicible DTs with very powerful DEs to anchor the line.

I agree we need to find a run stopper, but I don’t think DT is the be all and end all.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they all have very good d-lines

We don’t. And since we have more talent at DE than DT, the issue must lie with our tackles. I don’t care if they are probowlers or just “servicable” as long as they get the job done. The point is we need to get better there.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree... we need to get better

Hayden played better last game and the team have made some big strides bringing in new talent the last couple of weeks. Lets see how Leonard does and see if Harris is a legit talent stuck in a bad situation.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope these guys fill the role

Just doesn’t feel right having cut players, fill a position that was week even before our starter went down.

However, I am not a huge Kemo fan… so I don’t think it will take too much for these guys to achieve what he did last year. Actually any little bit QB pressure will be more than what Kemo brought.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...

Broderick Bunkley looks like a future all star, but he wasn’t there yet last year. :)

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-3 gets pressure from the DEs

In our version of the 4-3, you like pressure from the DTs but you really want them to close off the center of the field and force running plays to the outside, where they can be snuffed out by the linebackers. You also want your DTs to collapse the pocket, but that’s almost secondary to keeping the running game in check. Pressure should come from the DEs on the edge, and they also need the speed to shed blocks and chase down runners who are trying to get outside.

In the 3-4, the DT again closes off the middle, but the big responsibility of the DEs is also to stop the run. Pressure comes from the linebackers, and to watch some teams play that defense it’s almost a 5-2, the way they line their OLBs up on the line of scrimmage.

We want pressure from our DTs, but if we can just keep the running backs from going through the center that will be more than good enough, assuming Peppers and Brown/Brayton/Johnson can apply pressure from the edges.

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

close off the middle during running plays

But they also have to get pressure for passing plays. if the DTs dont, it is easy for QBs to step up in the pocket to avoid DEs. Collapsing the pocket forces QB errors creating opportunities for secondary. As it is we have trouble getting pressure and stopping the run up the midle and

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Still a need at the DT spot !!

Completely disagree with you on the Run-stuffing DT Littleking. Hey you are going to see that getting a Rod Coleman or Alfonso Boone would have helped us alot in the long run if it were for nothing else but rotating DT’s. Nick Hayden is garabage as well and I would have much rather seen us keep Marlon Favorite. I just hope Louis can stay healthy b/c if not we will be hurting again. Go cats !!!

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so quick to write Hayden off

Hayden is a classic under tackle, and any such player will always struggle when they’re forced into a nose tackle role. As he adjusted to the role his performance really improved, and if they’re scheming with two one-gap tackles like it looks, he should be ok. Not great, but ok.

I see him backing up Lewis at the end of the year, with a more prototypical nose tackle getting the start.

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the long run i like our big young DTs

next season we will have 2 cheap run stuffers

by carolinabrave89 on Sep 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kemo

I actually think they will hold off doing anything major in the DT slot because they will wait for Kemo’s return next year. The front office is too conservative to jump out there and make a high profile move with him healing in the wings. They are filling slots for backups and hoping rotating them will surfice.

by Cwilly1 on Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What "major" action can they take right now?

and what “major” action was available to them after Kemo went down? And if there was a “major” action available, what would it have done to the team’s long term health?

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they let Kemo walk

The more I discuss this with you guys, the more optimistic I am about our DT situation. Finally now maybe we can have somebody there that can use some athleticism to pressure the QB and make some tackles. It wouldn’t take much being that Kemo was a sack of potatoes.

Then maybe our DEs will create havoc a little more consistently.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physically or Mentally?

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by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rotating DT's

How can we be rotating DT’s if teams that know our weakness go no-huddle on us. How would u stop that?
 I hope they have a plan that work, the pick-up of the RB off Greenbay doesn’t still make sense to me as i thought he would be a return man, now for us to be trying to sign Mark Jones is just s desperation move and i don’t like it.

by panthertillidrop on Sep 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If i’m not mistaken both teams must be allowed to substitute at the end of each down.

by bleed_in_blue on Sep 7, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, on a no-huddle, you cannot substitute any players. Same players stay on the field. You should know, Matt Ryan ran it on us alot this past season.

by panthertillidrop on Sep 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and as long as the offense doesn’t make no substitution, the Defense cannot substitute. Watch more games.

by panthertillidrop on Sep 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a rule

I don’t think it’s a rule that the D can’t sub with a no huddle, it’s just that there isn’t time. On the other hand, I do believe it’s a rule that if the offense subs they have to give time for the defense to sub as well.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was what i said

if the Offense doesn’t sub, the Defense cannot or they would get penalized for 12 men on the field or sumthing. So Panthersnation needs to look into the situation at no-huddle in which our DT’s could get caught up in and making it impossible to rotate it.
Well let’s hope Fox and Hurney has a solution to this problem.

by panthertillidrop on Sep 8, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

on the same page :)

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can sub

the risk is 12 men on the field. A no huddle doesn’t disallow it, but it just doesn’t give you the time you need.

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colts

One reason I really like Payton Manning is that he frequently catches teams with 12 on the field (at least it seems). He keeps an eye out for that and if he can get the O to light up he will do a quick snap. Even when not playing no huddle.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top DT

Hey, I go along with you on wanting a high profile DT that can take care of our needs, but I am only telling you how the front office and Fox are looking at it. Fox is loyal to a fault and will hold on to a player one year too long or longer. Look at the situation with Delhomme, he can’t actually take this team into the future but they give him a new contract and don’t really have anyone coming up behind him except Moore or Mccown.

by Cwilly1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still waiting for alternatives from people who make these comments...

It’s easy to say things like “Fox is stubborn” or “Fox holds on to players too long” or “Delhomme isn’t the answer” but reality is a different animal. If you think he should cut someone because they’re not good enough, how about making the alternate suggestion of who they sign instead? The Panthers could follow the advice of people like you and they would end up with a gutted, talentless team quickly.

On Delhomme, I notice you failed to comment on this post: http://www.catscratchreader.com/2009/9/1/1010663/playing-the-what-if-game-with-jake

Maybe you could provide a better idea?

It’s easy to be critical, and it probably feels good to say things like “Fox is loyal to a fault”, as if you’re smarter than he is. But when you think things through, those statements are exposed for the intellectually lazy platitudes they are.

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Intellectually lazy platitudes"

I just like that quote!

J. Sullivan

by pantherpackcaniac on Sep 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two types of rotation

A no-huddle would serve as a problem, when down and distance dictates we switch from our run stuffers (let’s call them that, hopefully) to our pass rushing linemen — but we did that all last year, ans everybody does.

The rotation that Cwilly1 was referencing (IMO) was keeping our platoons of “run-stuffers” fresh, by playing 2 on the first series, then bringing in a second pair on a subsequent series. That would be a rotation for fresh players, not for strategy. A no-huddle could give that a problem. However, last year, we subbed frequently, with Peppers, Brayton, Kemo, Johnson, Lewis, Taylor — all shuttling in and out. This year we’ll just add Brown, Leonard, Harris (and Hayden) to the shuttlers.

One good thing – none of them should get tired!

by bigdavis on Sep 8, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another consideration about the no-huddle

It’s a DIFFICULT offense to run. You have to have very versatile personnel and a great quarterback to make it work, or everyone would do it. Otherwise the only time you can make it work is when you get the defense caught in an obvious mismatch, and even then it has to be noticed and called before the first play.

If you just go out there and try the no-huddle every drive like the old Bills used to do, then what you’ll end up with is a very quick three and out and your defense will not have time to rest.

Don’t worry too much about this. Hell, I would LOVE it if teams came to BofA with this as their regular plan. We would win time of possession by a two to one margin. :)

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would add that I think we found our #3 WR too in Kenny Moore

He looked solid in the preseason

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by Jaxon on Sep 7, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Definitely another positive.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Absolutely, K. Moore looked good in preseason. He looked comfortable in his role, made some catches in traffic and showed up ready to play. Perhaps studying with Smitty helped with that. But either way – it bodes well for the WR3 place.

by boywonderncsu on Sep 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I understand...

Kenny Moore also studied with Ricky Proehl, a fellow Wake Forest alumn, at his Proehl-ific sports complex in the off-season to work on route running and catching the ball. I’d say all that hard work paid off for him. Too bad Dwayne Jarrett hasn’t done something similar. If we could transplant Kenny’s perseverance and attitude into Dwayne’s physically-gifted body, we could have another Pro Bowl WR down the road and a fully viable replacement for Muhsin Muhammad.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am gaining a lot of respect for the guy

All that work must have made him run a lot better than when he was in Detroit. And he’s been making plays against 1s too. I hope him and the TEs get opportunities Sunday. We really have a lot of passing options if Fox and Jake would just throw to them. You know Jeff Davidson wants to.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely...

He really impressed me in the preseason.

by bwsmith25 on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give D-will 25 carries and target Smitty 10 times

and the offense will be fine. For all the focus ont he run D the pass D didn’t exactly light it up

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by Jaxon on Sep 7, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But is it just me or does it seem like Gamble rather play off the receiver he’s covering (give a cushion) then actually press at the line?

by RaffyGonzo on Sep 8, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just the coverage we call

Going back to the DT thing, a star DT is nice, but when you have guys that can play and you rotate them in and out, it doesn’t matter. DT will be a priority next year, don’t you guys worry, and with Kemo back, Lewis, Irvin, Leonard, Hayden, Harris + a draft pick, we will have a solid and deep line.

by Flowing Willow on Sep 8, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Star DT?

Little King, I agree with you on DT. All those who insist we MUST have a star DT overlook the obvious. Kemo is a solid DT, but clearly is not a star. Yet somehow, we went 12-4 last year.

I think the bigger issue is the new defensive system. It’s not unusual for an adjustment period when changing schemes. Add to that key injuries at key positions and we get what we saw in preseason. Given the speed we have on defense, we should get better with each game in Meeks system as the season goes on. If we don’t tackle well, it doesn’t matter what scheme you run. I think by the end of the season, we will have more sacks and more turnovers.

Also appreciate your comments on Fox. Out of 32 active coaches, he is fifth in winning percentage. Yet the whiners continue. And when you look at some of his worst seasons, it was often devastating injuries at key positions (QB, MLB) that were huge in having L’s rather than W’s.

by magicman56 on Sep 8, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

troubled transition...

It seems the D is having a hard time just playing as Meeks has intended. Seems they are still thinking too much. Maybe Beason’s absence and lack of leadership has contributed to that, but the D might be my biggest concern at this point…

J. Sullivan

by pantherpackcaniac on Sep 8, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's definitely the biggest concern...

It’s a new scheme. Both the front seven and the secondary are making adjustments. Many of them are young guys, too. I think they’ll come out better for this defensive coaching shake-up in the long run. But we may have to go through some growing pains before we get there. Unfortunately, I don’t think the average fan will have much patience for it. Regardless, Fox and his coaching staff need time (and the right mix of players) to make this scheme effective. I don’t think they can pull off such a huge transition as easily as they did with the offensive line and running game last season. But I hope they prove me wrong.

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EVERY TEAM in the NFL goes through INJURIES, EVERY TEAM goes through DIFFERENT coaches, EVERY TEAM has a TOUGH schedule, but why do the Panthers struggle with these things & use them as excuses for failure? Other teams fight through these things and persuvere, but with the Panthers, if Delhomme isnt in the game & Beason is out, they have this throw in the towel type mindset. Fox will again show his inconsistancy in winning following a playoff appearance & we will again be left disappointed. I really hope I’m wrong btw.

"it's a bad day to have a bad day"

by D.W.G. on Sep 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It really depends on the personnel that are injured. Take the Patriots for example. Cassel struggled last year at the beginning, but their system is designed for an accurate QB. He didn’t need to be a superstar, so they finished at 11-5. Now, take the Colts. If Peyton goes down, they are a 4-12 team. There is a huge drop off in depth on that team. The Panthers are designed for a mediocre QB, but one that is a leader. Same with the defense. Conner is talented, but he is not the leader that Beason is. He has even admitted that in an interview. If the backups step up, then they are fine. If not, then we’re looking at a losing record.

by Scrantsj on Sep 8, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article...

I’m still optimistic for this season. Losing Kemo will be a snag, but I believe the guys we have right now will be good enough to have a successful season.

Like everyone else has said, we don’t need a “star” DT, just a guy to plug the hole so the rest of the defense can make plays.

by bwsmith25 on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it but...

I think this article goes beyond optimism and borders on being unrealistic. There are flaws in each of your points.

First, in the strong leaders part, Beason may not even be able to start the season for us and may be dealing with a nagging injury all season. Delhomme, being the strong leader he is, led us to 6 picks in the last game that he played in that actually mattered.

Secondly, with regards to Fox’s history, perhaps you forgot that Fox has never had back to back winning seasons???

I’ll give you the great running game, can’t really argue with that. However, I will point out that not only is Stewart going to have that injury nag him ALL season and possibly force him onto IR, after seeing the Cardinals playoff game, more teams are going to stack up against our run and force us to beat them in the air. Anyone remember the Raiders game last season???

Filled some key holes??? Louis Leonard and Re’Shon Harris? Uh, who? I mean yeah, not every team needs pro-bowlers at DT, but give me a break. Don’t get me wrong, I hope they can come in and be great. But you seem to think we solved our problem at DT when they haven’t proven anything for us yet. Louis Leonard played in one quarter of our last preseason game and that’s all. Re’Shon Harris got cut from one team and is supposed to be a possible starter on ours?

Finally your last point just may be the most ridiculous. We should be optimistic because we’re not the Lions, Bucs, or Raiders?? First of all, the Raiders nearly beat us last year. Secondly, just because we won’t lose every game this season like the Lions doesn’t mean we’re going to get into the playoffs. And honestly, with the way Hurney is throwing around 1st round draft picks, anything less than the playoffs is going to be a disappointment.

Guys, just look at it this way: if you were to look at the Panthers and name their two biggest flaws, it would probably be the QB position and the defense. Now, think about what wins Super Bowls. That’s right, it’s defense and the QB.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point by point

Beason may not be able to start the season, but he’ll certainly play at some point and will certainly be in the locker room every game. Harris is also a strong on-the-field leader. And Delhomme took all the blame for the playoff game even when there was plenty to spread around, after leading us to a 12-4 regular season. You can claim he’s only as good as his last game, but that’s dishonest and foolish.

Everyone’s aware that Fox has never had back to back winning seasons. He’s also never had back to back losing seasons and is the third winningest coach in the league during his tenure, trailing only Bill Bellichik and Andy Reid.

We have a great running game and a good passing game. What’s your point?

He feels more confident since they’ve been added to the team. Do you feel that they’re a net negative?

When you want us to start being run like the Raiders, Lions, or Bucs, maybe you’re exposing yourself as a closet Falcons fan… If you think we’re already like that, then you’re the one being ridiculous. Are you aware that we’re the 7th winningest franchise since 2002, and at the same time we’re the second youngest? That speaks of some seriously good front office skills. As good as we were last year, and as good as we should be this year, our window is just opening based on our age.

You know, you can go root for New Orleans this year and no one will blame you. If you continue to rag on the team like this, no one will miss you either. :)

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, you’re obviously outraged that I, unlike most Panthers fans on this site, don’t think the Panthers are the best team in the league. So, instead of reading into the points I was trying to make, you missed them all to try and write some paltry attempt at witty criticism. So allow me to go point by point on what you just said.

Yes, Beason and Harris are good leaders, and yes at some point, hopefully by week one Beason will be back on the field. I also think Jake is a good emotional leader for the team. In fact, I never said they weren’t good leaders. My only point was that it’s hard to be optimistic about those 2 players when one is hurt and may not be at 100% for most of the season, and the other (nearly single handedly) lost our best shot at winning a Super Bowl. Do I think he’s going to play like that this entire year? No, of course not. But I do think he is incredibly inconsistent like he has always been and last year proved that his inconsistencies can also occur in the playoffs when we need him the most.

What does Fox never having 2 losing seasons in a row have to do with this year? We didn’t have a losing season last year. I like Fox as a coach, but in terms of record he has also been inconsistent year by year, and yes a lot of that has been due to injury. However, aren’t we also having injury problems this year? LittleKing pointed out that we should be optimistic based on Fox’s record but failed to point out that he had never had 2 straight winning seasons. An important stat to note when looking at his record. That was my point. I never said Fox was a bad coach.

I, like LittleKing, am also more confident since Ra’Shon Harris and Leonard Louis have been added to the team. But that does not mean that I should be optimistic that they will get the job done. They have done nothing in their careers to show that they will be able to step in and shut down the run for us as starters. I never said that they will be a net negative, they just haven’t shown me that they can be the answer yet. He said that we should be optimistic about where we are at with our DT situation, my point is that the DT situation is what I’m least optimistic about.

When did I ever say that I wanted the Panthers to be run like the Lions, Raiders, or Bucs? Did you even read what I wrote? Or just skimmed it finding key words? LittleKing said that we should be optimistic that we’re not any of those franchises. Which, I’m glad that we’re not.. But it’s like saying to a person with the flu to be glad they don’t have cancer. Just because I don’t have cancer, I should be glad that I have the flu?

Lastly, I can’t stand it when I or any of the few people on here who actually find faults in the Panthers or have criticisms get accused of not being Panthers fans. Just because I don’t think my team is perfect means I’m not a real fan? No, it means I’m not a blind fan. I still cheer for them every Sunday. I still want them to win. I want them to be perfect, that’s why I bring up the imperfections. If I were a Lions fan am I supposed to believe that they’ll actually win the Super Bowl this year? Give me a break.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think you’re overly pessimistic. I don’t care enough about you to gin up some genuine outrage. :)

Delhomme is fine. He’s a good game manager who’s had a very few meltdown games in his career, including the playoff game last year. You can disagree with my opinion, but stats show that he’s better than most when it counts and I can’t take anyone serious when they look at the last game and ignore the 16 other games he played in 2008.

You say that Fox has never had back to back winning seasons. Well what’s wrong with looking at the other side of that? Maybe it undermines the notion that he’s not capable of this being the first? The guy’s a winner, plain and simple.

And I’m sorry, I did read something into the Lions/Raiders/Bucs statement. I guess the completely negative tone you had adopted got under my skin a little. For what it’s worth, I think we had a good draft this year even though we didn’t have a number one pick.

And you really do come across as overly pessimistic. Maybe it’s not intentional. You might love the team, but if you do occasionally it will be nice to see something positive. There are a lot of good things to look forward to. For instance…

The offense will be great. The line returns intact, the depth is gone but the talent level behind the starters is better. Williams hasn’t lost a beat. I think Stewart will play, and if he doesn’t Goodson has looked great playing against starters. Smitty and Moose are veterans and now we have a good third option in Moore. Davidson and Delhomme have an additional year of working together, and I suspect that the playoff game has taught Davidson a valuable lesson (don’t rely on Jake’s arm until the 4th).

The defense may not have it all together by opening day, but they’ve got a LOT of talent and there’s no reason to think they’ll take that much longer to get it. Have you seen the train wrecks in Atlanta or Philly in comparison? Hell, our lousy stats in preseason are still better than what we were doing at the end of last year. Our ends are better than last year, and our tackles may have lost a run stuffer but they gain speed now. So Beason/Connor will have to work harder, but the trade-off is more pressure from the center. And if either of the new guys works out, so much the better.

Take a look at the journeymen that Meeks worked with at DT in Indianapolis. With Lewis and my next door neighbor’s great aunt Sally we improve on that. Then look at the linebackers and convince me we don’t have more talent. As soon as Gamble and Harris start “getting” the scheme (and I know it’s getting late for that), our secondary should be deadly. Anyone can attack a vanilla cover-2, but you can bet we have our share of plays just like Indy does, and we didn’t show any of them in preseason. Despite that, our first strings still outscored their first strings.

This team has been flat, it’s not been competitive, and they look like they’re going through the motions. And that’s all about the first string, players who have been in the league for a while and who know what counts. When the games start to count, they’ll turn it up. Think for a second that Moose would have let Jake’s first throw go through his hands like he did against the Steelers if the game was counting? I doubt it, I bet he was thinking more about being safe than catching the ball, but in the regular season that gets turned around.

This team went 12-4 last year, and 4-2 against the South. They haven’t made the personnel moves that Atlanta and New Orleans have because they didn’t need to, they’re loaded and everyone knows it.

So start believing. The players do, the coaches do, and you should to. It’s sure a lot more fun that crying doom and gloom everywhere. :)

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

Well I do tend to concentrate on the negative’s a bit too much instead of the positives. It’s a natural defense I guess to help prevent my hopes from being dashed like against the Patriots in 2003.

But this did cheer me up a little bit. Although I am still anxious over how our defense will perform with Meeks behind them and all the adversity they’re having to face. Hopefully our running game will keep them off the field as much as possible. I do think you’re right that we’ll be playing with a lot more urgency now that the games matter and I fully expect DeAngelo to be Pro-Bowl worthy AGAIN this year. Here’s hoping we can overcome our tough schedule and turn some heads this year.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll throw something else into the mix...

I haven’t seen anyone else mention this so far (but maybe I missed it?). Given that the Panthers went 0-4 in the preseason and had such glaring problems both in run defense and the secondary’s ability to cover in the passing game, I think it might have made this team angry enough at themselves that they’ll work that much harder to come out against Philly and have a good game.

Same thing for the special teams that got burned by Logan’s punt return and our KRs/PRs fumbling the ball. Everyone got a healthy dose of “you may not be good enough yet” to start out the season. Even the coaches took some lumps and will have to apply themselves extra hard to tightening down our schemes and game-planning. And that’s not necessarily a bad place to be when you start off the year against teams like the Eagles, Falcons, and Cowboys before you get to your early bye week.

I look at it this way. If we can come out and hammer Philadelphia to prove to ourselves and the league that “we are ready”…that puts us up 1-0. Then, we go into Atlanta against a division rival. If the Falcons haven’t figured themselves out yet, and if our defense gains confidence as a result of the win against the Eagles, maybe we take them down at their place and reach 2-0. Then, we travel to Dallas on a Monday night with the entire world watching. Traditionally, we don’t do that well in those types of games. But, if we can summon up shades of that absolute thrashing we gave Tampa Bay last year and take down Dallas, we could reach 3-0 and go into our bye week to rest up everyone and take stock of what’s working and how much better we can become.

Now that may be pie-in-the-sky optimism…and we may wind up 2-1 or maybe even 1-2 in that stretch. Who knows? But our team should clearly know they need to put in the hard work to improve themselves now. Let’s see how this Eagles game goes and we should know pretty quickly where we stand.

My two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You raise a good point about inner motivation...

we certainly won’t be complacent this Sunday — which is when we play our real clunkers. (And nobody’ll admit it, but I think that had something to do with the Cards’ loss, after our first drive scored so easily, and we were favored so heavily.)

by bigdavis on Sep 9, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This from Darin Gantt's article this morning:

“And toward that end, going winless in the preseason might have some degree of benefit.

"I probably wouldn’t say frustrated," Muhammad said of the exhibition slate. "I would say some hunger has built up here, and I don’t know if you can pull a lot of positives from losses, but in this situation, I think you can. I think one positive thing is that this team is ready for a win.

"The starters who are going to play the whole season are ready to get out there and play a whole game. I can’t wait for next week." "

by bigdavis on Sep 9, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't disagree with a point you made

However, its extremely easy to point out what is wrong with the team. I’m trying to focus on the positives.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’ve been drowing in a world without sports since the Stanley Cup finished… I’m not ready to declare the Panthers’ season over before it begins.

I don’t think anyone thought we would go 12-4 last season either. All the negativity is starting to get a little ridiculous.

Now, think about what wins Super Bowls. That’s right, it’s defense and the QB.

Defense yes… QB? Not on your life.

1991: Jeff Hostetler
1992: Mark Rypien
2001: Trent Dilfer
2003: Brad Johnson

You don’t ‘need’ a QB to win a superbowl. Last time I checked, the same Jake Delhomme who you are claiming is out achilles heel is the same Delhomme who almost won us a superbowl. If Kasay didn’t shank the kickoff who knows what would have happened.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because the QB’s you listed weren’t elite QB’s for their career doesn’t mean they didn’t perform when you needed them the most in the playoffs and Super Bowl. A defense can get you to the playoffs. But once there, you need your QB to step up and win games for you.

Best examples are Eli Manning and Big Ben. Two statistically mediocre QB’s. But when they won their Super Bowls they both played great and made huge plays that helped their teams win the game. They also, like the QB’s mentioned on your list limited their turnovers.

I used to think Jake was mediocre in the regular season but knew how to turn it on when it mattered. He was awful against Arizona in the playoffs. Hopefully he won’t do it again if we make it to the playoffs again. But you never know. Either way we will need him if we want to win a Super Bowl. Just like each team needed their respective QB to win theirs.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who made the throw to Steve Smith in double OT against the Rams in the divisonal playoffs?

Furthermore, I suggest you look at the Superbowl game stats of those 4 QBs… they didn’t ‘win the game’ they were merely game managers.

The 4 QBs I mentioned are all vastly inferior to Jake Delhomme… out of the four of them Brad Johnson has the highest career QB rating at 80.3.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben and Eli didn’t have great ratings in the games they won either but they still made key plays that helped their team win the game. Being a game manager is how one wins Super Bowls. i.e. Not turning the ball over.

And yes it was Jake Delhomme who made that throw to Steve Smith against the Rams. Who was the QB who had 6 turnovers against the Cardinals in the playoffs last season? Gasp. The same guy. The question is, which Jake will we get this playoffs if we make it.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the question should be...

Will we have to rely on Jake alone or will he have a running game to work with?

Against the Seahawks he had no running game and stunk up the joint.

Against the Cardinals he had an OC who started calling plays like he had no running game, and Jake stunk up the joint.

Let Willaims carry the team into the fourth and Delhomme will carve you up. His entire body of work says so.

by Cyberjag on Sep 8, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake became the easy (somewhat deserving) scapegoat in the Arizona game.

He was asked to do something he never had to do… win an entire game with his arm.

Panthers ran the ball an average of 27 times per game during the regular season. Against Arizona we ran 15 times… see the problem?

We were not the smash mouth, move the chains Carolina Panthers. We tried to out Arizona the Cardinals, and that is impossible. Jake Delhomme is no Kurt Warner, Moose is no Anquan Boldin, Hackett was no Steve Breaston.

The majority make it seem as though if Jake hadn’t thrown the pick we would have won. Truth is, we never stood a chance in that game… our gameplan was too poor.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, the decision to start passing after running it down their throats during our first possesion was perplexing and was a large reason as to why we lost. But the Arizona Cardinals are no Steelers defense and even though we decided to start passing alot there is still no excuse for 5 interceptions and a fumble. Other people blame the loss on our defense as well, but I feel that Jake put our defense in too many bad situations too often for them to be effective. The 15 rushing attempts stat is skewed because after a certain point following those turnovers we were in a large defecit and had no choice but to pass.

I understand that we should’ve kept to our strength and kept pounding the ball on the ground, but a QB’s job is to be able to pass with some sort of competence. And we shouldn’t entirely blame Davidson just because he asked Jake to do his job without destroying the team.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the primary reasons...

…that the Panthers found themselves with such a large deficit is because our defense couldn’t stop anybody. The defensive game-plan we employed was cited afterward by the Cardinals own coaching staff as a big reason they won. Basically, they moved Fitzgerald all over the place to create matchup problems for us. And our stubborn defensive coordinator (and head coach?) didn’t adjust by moving our best CB to cover him wherever he went. Even if we had, Kurt Warner was in the zone and Fitzgerald was playing out of his mind.

So, I look at the Arizona playoff loss with the following three reasons (in order of importance) as to why we lost the game.

1) The Coaches - They didn’t gameplan very well at all for Arizona. The defensive scheme was entirely inappropriate and they didn’t make the right adjustments. The offensive game plan went completely away from our strength all season long. Those decisions (more than anything else) is why we found ourselves with a huge deficit. Then, they completely panicked and put the ball in Jake’s hands, asking him to be the Comeback Kid halfway through the 1st quarter. That is NOT a good strategy. And they should have known better.

2) The Defense - As bas as everyone wants to say Jake played with all of his turnovers, I personally think the defense played much worse. It was like that all throughout the latter half of our season as we marched into the playoffs. They consistently gave up 30+ points a game. And you’re just not going to win like that in the playoffs. Why? Because defense wins championships. Period. We had Jon Beason (the defensive captain) playing hurt and trying to make arm tackles with a bad shoulder. We had DBs getting schooled by the second coming of the “Greatest Show on Turf”…only this time it was Warner with Boldin, Fitzgerald, and company instead. And they just stunk it up. Even now, as we begin this season, we can see that the defense lags behind our offense in contributing to the Panthers ability to win games. And I think it was a pretty major element in why we lost to Arizona in the playoffs…just as major as Jake’s meltdown.

3) Jake Delhomme - After the coaches screwed things up…and after the defense let Arizona amass such a huge lead…we finally get to Jake Delhomme’s horrid performance. Did he play one of his worst games ever? Absolutely. He also did it at the end of the year where I think he may have lost some zip on the ball by that point. And everyone seems to forget he was playing through his first season after returning from Tommy John surgery…a procedure that hadn’t been done or tested on such an aggressive return for a starting QB before. But perhaps, more importantly, I think Jake was hamstrung by both the coaches and the defense. Because the poor game plan and the defense’s inability to stop Arizona at all, we found ourselves in a deep, deep hole. That allowed the Cardinals to sit back and wait for us to try and play catch up by throwing the ball. All they had to do was key on Delhomme and take away our receivers by doubling Steve Smith, etc. To me, it’s no wonder Jake wound up throwing so many picks. He’s never looked off the safeties very well. He takes risks by throwing it up for Smitty or someone else to try and make a play…particularly when playing from behind. And nobody delivered.

Now, after you lay out all three of those major issues to the game, I think Jake takes WAY more blame from the fans than he should. His turnovers were simply the most visible outcome of several major, failed performances that night. But I believe they were symptomatic of a great many other issues. Thankfully, most of the defensive coaching staff resigned in the offseason. Hopefully, Meeks and his staff change up the defense and make it better (even if they do have to go through some growing pains in the short-term). And hopefully, this defense starts holding up their end of the team’s success. The offense carried them last year. And they shouldn’t have to do so again this year if they can start improving.

But that’s just my passionate three-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 9, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The QB is always the scapegoat

I noticed you left out “Smith is no Fitzgerald”… lol… A new debate?

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by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be?

I just think there is way less disparity between Steve Smith and Larry Fitzgerald.

I don’t know if I’m ready to get into a Steve Smith Vs. Larry Fitzgerald debate…. but I think you know which way I’m leaning (Hint: He’s under 6ft)

by James The Aussie on Sep 9, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you're negative...

Beason had a nagging injury last season and still lead the team in tackles. So you can’t use that argument.

I’m tired of hearing about the lack of Back to Back winning seasons. The Falcons have the same type of record and people are picking them to win the division.

I’ll give you the Stewart argument. Both parts. The one way to beat the Panthers is to force them into a passing game. If Jake is on, the defense is screwed. If he is off, you end up with the resemblance of that playoff game.

The DT situation. I’m not sure about this one. I haven’t seen enough play from either of them to make an informed decision. That is what we all need to do, make an informed analysis of the situation. Not the knee-jerk reaction that most of the “fans” have.

by Scrantsj on Sep 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say negative, I say realistic...

But yeah, you make a good point about Beason playing hurt last year, and I am always glad when he is on the field. However it’s not a good thing that he’s injured.

I’m sure Fox is tired of hearing about it too, but he’ll keep hearing it until he can manage to win two seasons in a row.

I’m also unsure of the DT situation. That was what my point was. If anything the knee jerk reaction was mentioned in the original post that our situation was fixed. And why did you put fans in quotation marks. Are you inferring that there are non-fans who actually take the time out of their day to post on this site posing as actual Panthers fans?

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The quotation marks..

are for the ones that can’t say anything positive about the team. They believe this team is going 0-16, even before the first snap is taken.

The majority of the people on this board are actually fans. Yes, they have concerns about the team, but they realize that it’s not the end of the world when we go 0-4 in the preseason. That is why I found my way here. If you want an example of “fans”, go to the Charlotte Observer and check out the comments of any Panthers article. You’d think the season is already over.

Now, if we’re 0-3 by the bye week…then they might have an argument.

by Scrantsj on Sep 8, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of us will docnolz

but then some fans will focus on what didn’t go right anyway. When we win its “We got lucky” and when we lose, well then that just validates their doom & gloom mentality.

I’m sure most of the fans of these franchises mentioned by LK would read some of the comments and think “Didn’t you guys win 12 games last season? Don’t you have a competitive team?” A great analogy for me is the Atlanta Braves. So many fans took the winning seasons of the ’90’s for granted not realizing how fortunate they were to go to the playoffs 13 straight seasons (I think that’s right but might be off).

The Panthers will be a good team this year though they might struggle at times. I’ll enjoy it just the same!

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by Jaxon on Sep 8, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

How dare those Braves fans whom refuse to settle for playoff exits and nothing less than a World Championship. What kind of fans do they think they are???

Doom and gloom is one thing. Wanting your team to be the best in the league is different. I’ve never thought any win from any team has come from luck. But there are always things to be worked on or changed. Sometimes people should see these things lest they be completely perplexed when games don’t go our way.

But I agree. I at least think we have a really good offense and will be able to put up points. I’m a touch worried about our defense and our depth because of our injuries. But if the defense comes together and Jake stays consistent we should make a good run in the playoffs.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More passing options this year!

I think we are preparring for teams to put 8 in the box. This year we “should” have a good #3 in K. Moore. Barnidge and Rosario are competing to see who can catch better. And a new option in Goodson (provided we keep him). Keep Jake healthy and keep him from having Smitty tunnel vision and I do beleve the offense will be fine. Perhaps much better than fine!

The D is my biggest concern. Let’s hope the quaterback of the D is healthy. And that some rooks (FA’s too) contribute. But more than anything, I can’t imagine our vets playing as poorly as they did in PS. Can Thomas Davis cover Gonzo and Shockley? Pass rush should be fine. Run stuffing and secondary help are the weak spots. But I have nothing but hope! Must be the pack in me…

J. Sullivan

by pantherpackcaniac on Sep 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

we have go to improve the 3rd down completion % and having another reliable WR option and TE option should do just that

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by Jaxon on Sep 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right about our 3rd down completion %. It can be a real killer and has been an achilles heel for us in our losses.

But you must be some closet Falcons fan for thinking we have to improve on something.
;-)

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna say

almost exactly the same thing in response to pancabra’s post earlier. This is what I had started typing

“I feel really good about our passing game as long as we are relatively healthy. We have a couple of options at TE ( Barnidge and Rosario) and then we have an excellent 3rd WR in Kenny Moore. Not to mention we may have Goodson and Williams playing in two back sets.

I am concerned about the defense. I think we should be able to generate a good enough pass rush but some QBs will test our secondary . I hope they can manage enough damage control. I am actually a little less worried about run defense compared to pass defense. "

P.S – pancabra, you do make very good points and I agree that that being a fan does not mean that you are the perrenial homer. I think serious fans tend to be more realistic. But I guess we are trying to drum some enthusiasm after the preseason.

by pieterzen on Sep 8, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m sorry if I’m killing the enthusiasm. I’m excited about the season and think we have real potential. I’m just really nervous about our defense. With Kemo down and then Beason hurt on top of how our defense played down the stretch last year. But you’re right, if we can just play damage control and more importantly control the clock, we should be able to get wins. Thanks for the props. Go Panthers!

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concerns

I do have concerns about the team and that list is very easy to write up. Right now my biggest concern would be our secondary. But I’m hoping the bigger DT we picked up should help provide a boost to the secondary

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are they gonna do run down passes?

the secondary will be fine, we will get plenty of pass rush this season. i cannot wait for the beginning of the season when we can clear our heads of this gloom and doom after we slaughter the eagles and their very unruly fans.

by carolinabrave89 on Sep 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

but a better pass rush and can help the secondary perform better. With a solid DL, the LB dont’ have to cheat up to protect against the runs, which means the secondary has a little more help in covering the middle of the field. Fixing a weak spot can give everyone a boost. at least that the theory.

by LittleKing on Sep 8, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t think pass rush will be a huge issue for us this year, but if we have troubles stopping the run, it will in turn hurt our ability to consistently pressure the QB. All we really need the DT’s to do is to take up blockers and allow Beason to beast it up out there.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DBs are very often just defunct receivers

That weren’t quite good enough to compete as a receiver, so they switched to DB. This means on average pro receivers are usually a bit more athletic than their DB counterpart. And therefore, one on one, 9 times out of 10 if the QB puts the ball in the right place, the receiver will win that matchup every time.

So it’s the D-line’s job to pressure the QB and make him throw early or inaccurately… Which creates opportunity for the DBs to make a play. Without a pass rush most DBs look really bad.

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by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course there are exceptions to every rule

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by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DB is about 10,000 times harder to play that WR.

Okay, well maybe hyperbole is getting a hold of me, but the amount of skills it takes to read and react in a split second is mind boggling. Not like a WR who gets told which route to run and then needs to only worry about seperation.

- A WR takes a nap on a play the QB continues their progression
- A CB takes a nap on a play and they just gave up 20+ yards.

I know you said there are exceptions, but i wouldn’t quite go as far to say that most often DBs are poor WRs.

by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say overall DB takes more athleticism for being able to react and stay with the WR; whereas WR can get by with less athleticism if they can make up for it with good route running abilities.

All in all though, most interceptions are due to a good pass rush which forces hurried and/or bad/stupid throws. A team that gets a lot of picks, usually has a good pass rush. Conversely, a lot of sacks are a result of good coverage down field.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, well I have heard this multiple times on NFLN from pros

And it makes sense. Receivers and DBs usually have the same build. But if you were a premiere athlete what would you choose? WR or CB? Receivers on average make more money, and have more fame and they score points!

Devin Hester is a perfect example. He was drafted as a CB, but once his talent was realized he is transitioning to WR.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it that his 'talent was realized' or...

HOLY CRAP THE BEARS WRs ARE HORRIBLE!

I’ll be interested to see if he can run a route.

I remember when teams thought Dante Hall could be a WR too.. lol.

by James The Aussie on Sep 9, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true true

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by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just really hard for any DB of any ability to stick with an NFL WR for more than a couple seconds. Eventually, given enough time, a WR will always become open. That’s what made Vick better than his actual QB talents were, because he could scramble away to buy more time for his WR’s to become open.

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Nnamdi is an exception to that theory ; )

by RaffyGonzo on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We said at the beginning of this thread that there are always exceptions

Read first next time moron!

Oh and welcome to the blog ;)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was being sarcastic btw

I am really not that mean. Its just that I think Mike Goodson is every bit as good as Steve Smith and should be inducted to the hall of fame after one preseason. And since he’s not, I am a little on edge.

You are 100% right, Nnamdi Asomugha (I had to look up the spelling) is a huge exception! What a shame he has to wear a Raiders uni!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we move the chains constantly and have long drives

then our defense will be better because we keep them off the field. GOD I LOVE ME SOME SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL

by carolinabrave89 on Sep 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT THE PHILLY GAME!

I’m ready for some tackle football!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 8, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's ready to kill them Eagles?

Our elite linebacker core is back! Our roster is stronger than ever! Woooo!

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Sep 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are Beason and T. Davis going to be ready for Week 1??

If so, will they be at or near 100%? Plus, what’s the word on Jonathan Stewart? Is he going to see any game action at all against the Eagles? If not, what’s his status? When should we expect him?

by pancanbra on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

And does anyone think there’s a chance Diggs could be riding the bench in favor of DC sometime during the season? I think that would be great for the team and for the defense.

by RaffyGonzo on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stewart is now in charge of sideline Sun Flower Seed dispersion

It was only fitting 4 straight weeks of seed-spitting practice.

Man that guy can chomp some seeds! It’s probably due to the muskles in his earlobes.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 9, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear...

J-Stew doesn’t need to chew sunflower seeds…. he looks at them and the kernals jump out of the shells and submit; too afraid of being driven int the ground.

by James The Aussie on Sep 9, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

final cuts

Jamal Fudge and Chad Jackson. Think about it fox

by Deco on Sep 9, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GO PANTHERS!!!

I FEEL GOOD BABY REAL F#@KIN GOOD!!!

JAKE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR CAROLINA FOR THE NEXT 2 OR THREE YEARS GET OVER IT!!! AND JULIUS PEPPERS IS THE BEST DE IN THE NFL 100% EFFORT OR NOT!!! PERIOD! WE CANT DO ANY BETTER SO SHUT THE F#@K UP

by Steve785 on Sep 9, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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