Panthers Claim Two Players; DT & RB
by jkp1516 on Sep 6, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
89 comments
As of this morning, the Carolina Panthers have claimed DE/DT Ra'Shon Harris off of the NFL Waivers. Ra'shon played with the Steelers this preseason and was cut simply due to their depth. Some have speculated that he might have been the Steelers future at nose tackle in their 3-4...here are some interesting things about him: He weighs about 300, is 6'5", played for the Oregon ducks in 2008, was the Ducks leader in the weight room, shared team’s top bench press pinnacle (415 lbs.) regardless of position in addition to equaling best power clean mark (341 lbs.) among team’s defensive linemen.
Check out this vid!! He is as strong as an ox!!!
Also, here is what others have said about him:
A strong, well-built tackle with good power and base strength at the point of attack. Works his legs well through blocks and can control linemen on runs to either side of his body. Plays with a good motor and does a nice job extending his arms and delivering a strong punch on contact. Works very hard inside and takes pride against the double-team. Has the power to hold the point of attack. Will find his way as a rotational type defender.
Harris only produced three tackles in his first two seasons in Eugene, but the light started to come on during his junior season. He then stepped up his game as a first-year starter in 2008, making 47 tackles, nine tackles for loss and sacking the opponents' quarterback three times. His ability to take up blockers made everyone on the line more effective. His potential as a interior presence could get him drafted.
Ra'Shon Harris is an interesting player to look at for the combine. He had a very solid career at Oregon and definitely has the size to play in the NFL. I definitely think a team will give him a shot in the NFL, but I am not sure how he will do at the combine. I am not sure if he will stand out in any of the tests and the combine.I feel he will have an average combine in the speed, agility and jumping tests. He will have good strength tests, but I am not sure if the bench press will distinguish him much from other defensive tackles. I think the combine will keep Ra'Shon's stock the same and may hurt his stock some
Also, a more recent development, the Panthers have claimed rookie RB Tyrell Sutton off the waiver wire. Sutton was an undrafted free agent initially signed by the Packers. He is 5'8' and 213 lbs and played for Northwestern. Some have called him quick and explosive, but lacking breakaway speed. Apparently Sutton may have been cut because he wasn't big enough, comparatively to the Packers other backs but he was wildly impressive in preseason...
Tyrell Sutton Northwestern Highlights (via JTEchicago)
The pickup of Tyrell Sutton could mean a couple of things: A: That the Panthers are not confident in JStew's return this year, B: Maybe he could be a return man, C: He could be used in the passing game, or D: The Panthers could just not resist picking up this talent...Either way, Foxy is up to something that we don't know....my guess is that this is a signal that JStew is not gonna be okay...
The content of these posts are those of the person/idiot making the post only
0 recs |
89 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Can you provide a link to this?
I can’t see it anywhere.
Puts Sutton on the same level as Goodson.
Hard to believe, but I guess we’ll find out.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Madden Ratings...
Please, lets not rely on madden ratings like they are the almighty truth…these young guys show promise and potential…
That no name DT
was rated higher on everyone’s draft board than Favorite. During the preseason the Steelers lined him up at the 2, 3, 4, and 5 positions and he was effective at every one. His problem in Pittsburgh is the numbers game, they just weren’t ready to cut Kirschke or Eason, and they drafted Ziggy Hood, who looked very good.
Harris can play a two-gap assignment well, and should be able to assume Kemo’s role just like Leonard did. I believe that by October Hayden will be backing up Lewis and Harris wil be backing up Leonard, who will be starting. We’ll go with a heavy rotation and with two run-stuffers we should be able to get away with the relative lack of talent so long as they stay fresh.
In the long term, this guy will likely develop into a real player. That’s if he gets his head on straight and works for it.
Well...
It’s also possible, and even somewhat probable, that they go out and get one more DT before the season starts. Harris and Leonard are both full of potential and both need time to develop. I think that if the Panthers can find a starting quality DT, they’ll end up putting one of those guys or Hayden on the PS and just continue to work them, see which one rises to the top.
Interesting
Very interesting. The defensive tackles I like, the running back is quite surprising. Perhaps Carolina plan to use a lot more of their RB’s in their pass attack, in which case Goodson’s ability to change directions a million times per second (so it seems while watching him) would be handy. I’m not very familiar with Sutton, but if he is anything similar, that could create two very distinct, and very different, tandems on the same team. Spur of the moment speculation, of course, but it could work.
Oh, and Madden ratings aren’t very accurate. As realistic as they attempt to make it, it is still but one mans opinion as far as ratings go… For example, their top five running backs this year…
“Adrian Peterson- 97; Michael Turner- 95; LaDainian Tomlinson- 94; Brian Westbrook- 94; DeAngelo Williams- 94”
That doesn’t look right to me. Williams seems underrated every so slightly in that company.
Regardless, I trust in our coaches to make the decisions they think best to aid our franchise, regardless how odd they may at first seem.
Is it a sign that J-Stew isn't ready? or...
Could a team be inquiring about Mike Goodson?
He impressed enough to be a target for possible trade discussions and it appears that Sutton is a speed back. If we are truly interested in having a 3 headed monster what good would it do getting another speed back? Wouldn’t we be looking for the best available power back who was cut to fill J-Stew’s role?
Gut feelings are strange things, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you saw us trade Goodson to a team like Jacksonville for a 2nd round pick next year.
by James The Aussie on Sep 6, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
I would take a different theory
I would think that taking Sutton is more along the lines of the Panthers not being satisfied with any of their kick returners. Meanwhile, Sutton returned kickoffs for an average of 24.4 yards a return. We might be taking him in order to give him a good look at kickoff/punt returns. And at the same time, it provides depth in case a catastrophe happens with our RB’s.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Yeah..
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised either at this point….we are very oddly gathering a very deep group of running backs…its very eerie…something has got to happen because I highly doubt we will keep 4 healthy RBs, but then again, maybe Foxy has got some tricks up his sleeve, maybe he wants to incorporate option offensive plays or more wildcat formations…something is up though, that is for sure!!
Possibly due to JStew's injury???
Or mental block??? I know it’s to early to understand this pick up, but I can feel an “I told you so” on the tip of my tongue.
Actually I don’t see how this guy could be any type of insurance at RB. I think he’s been brought in due to all our returner’s fumbles last Thursday.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Don't Think so SouthTunnel...
Sutton might return kickoffs but has never returned a punt during this preseason, nor his entire college career, so I don’t think he is in the running for punt returning…
Yeah I just read that too
That makes it look like Goodson’s future here is more in question. Or maybe they just want to carry 4 solid RBs.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great minds think alike
James, if Stewart is healthy I’m thinking we’ll work a trade for Goodson this week.
Jacksonville just makes sense...
MJD banged up, and head coach who needs a winning season to secure his job. It could be just what the Dr. ordered for the Jags… of course part of me hopes the Jags tank, Del Rio gets fired and comes back to Charlotte and D-Coordinator.
But, I can only dream.
by James The Aussie on Sep 6, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you 2 have no clue what you are talking about
The guy has possibly the best rookie pre-season in Panther history, and then we trade him before seeing his true potential.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
“Best Rookie pre-season in Panther history”<—- Little bit of an exaggeration, maybe??
I know you are emotionally attached to Goodson as I am, but I think you might want to waken to the reality that anything might be happening with the Panthers at this point…
I am not defending a Goodson trade, but as of this point, I don’t know what the heck the guys at the top of the Panthers are thinking… whether it is trade, simply using more running backs, JStew is hurt badly, or employing more of a option and wildcat approach…I don’t know, but keeping 4 WRs and 4 RBs I am pretty sure is unprecedented in Panther history and pretty darn rare in the NFL….so that is kind of eerie to me, which is why I am not ruling anything out at this point….
+1
Lets not get carried away with Goodson because of his preseason stats. I know he’s the flavor of the month, but seriously if J-Stew plays he’ll be lucky to get 50 carries this season.
Honestly, I think it’s shortsighted to not think we’d steal a 2nd round pick from a team for Goodson. Turning a 4th round pick into a second in 6 months is a pretty good investment especially when you have two first rounders on the roster.
I like what I’ve seen from Goodson, but I think we’re overvaluing him simply because he was the #1 bright spot in an otherwise aenimic preseason.
by James The Aussie on Sep 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Beef Stew?
Still makes me think that Stewart isn’t healthy. I don’t think any coach wants a player to play that hasn’t practiced. If we want a returner, Mark Jones is available again? Maybe Sutton would be more versatile.
J. Sullivan
by pantherpackcaniac on Sep 7, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Im glad you guys weren't in charge when we drafted Smitty
You probably would have sent him packin too. I mean he was a short 3rd round pick WR… It would have been short sighted not to take a pick for him right? Wrong.
I’m not saying Goodson will be as good as Smitty, but you never know til you let them develop
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 7, 2009 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay, Southtunnel...
You might want to calm down on the Goodson Hype…yeah I agree he’s been a delight in the PRESEASON…but we haven’t seen him against 1st string defenses in games that actually matter!! He has a lot of talent and potential, but let’s calm it down here….comparing him to Smitty…Goodson has an enormous mountain to climb to be in that elite group of players…
The odd issue here is that the Panthers have 4 RB’s (the same # as WRs they have) and that is just straight up ODD….something’s fishy and I don’t know what it is, but I am not going to rule out anything, including a Goodson trade…
The Smitty comparison is not really relevant anyway because Smitty, other than punt returning, wasn’t all that flashy and no one knew that he was going to be the player he was, not me, and not even you (and if you tell me you knew, I think you are lying…)
If Goodson does get traded, I will be extremely disappointed. I’ve liked him since the draft, and the pre-season just cemented that belief. Honestly, I wouldn’t trade Goodson for a first round pick right now.
He is an unproven and untested talent, and that, to me, is the greatest talent. Defenses don’t know how he is going to be used yet, thus don’t know how to defend against him.
If Stewart can’t play, I am confident Goodson can fill his spot, and put up similar numbers as Stewart did last season.
other than he wont be used in the same situations
because stewart although fast, is a power runner. Dwill is a dasher, and thats where id plug goodson in as well. if stewart is hurt we arent going to be able to replace his power
by carolinabrave89 on Sep 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My argument is solely this:
How can anyone argue that we should keep Goodson if (and that is an IF) J-Stew is 100% ready to go and we are being offered a 2nd round pick.
In the deepest QB class in the last 10 years I have no problem trading Goodson to potentially get our QB of the future and still have a 2nd rounder to get a great DT prospect. It just makes sense.
When you make an omelette, you have to crack a few eggs. It makes no sense for the Panthers to carry 3 potential starting RBs when glaring needs could be addressed next offseason.
Southtunnel, it’s total grasping comparing Goodson to Smitty… when we drafted Smitty WR wasn’t a position of strength on our team… RB is now. I like Goodson too, I’ve been amazed by him… but I am willing to put the Kool-Aid down for a second to see the potential for an offer that would be too good to refuse.
by James The Aussie on Sep 7, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I didn’t think anybody though t we were arguing actuals… you can go back to the source of this discussion and see easily that it’s all hypothetical.
by James The Aussie on Sep 7, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
RB > QB
You are right, but we could also trade Goodson away, lose some backs to injury (as has happened seemingly every other season or so), and end up relying heavily on a pass attack that can’t lead us to the playoffs alone.
We could also draft an amazing college QB that ends up being an NFL dud as so many teams have done before.
There are so many different avenues to pursue in terms of speculation, and the majority of them end up with us being worse off then than we are now, while few pose positive outcomes.
I’d rather see what Goodson does before shipping him off. As was stated, we have three distinctively different backs. All three are different in style, the only similar statistic being speed. I don’t have much more than highlight reels to go off of for Sutton, but Williams, Stewart, and Goodson are an incredible trio.
It could be my bias for run first (and often) offenses, but I (personally) wouldn’t take a QB for Goodson. Again, as has been stated, we don’t need a game changing QB, only one capable of managing the game and keeping the defense honest. If we happen to come across one, wonderful, but I wouldn’t risk a good RB, especially considering how dangerous the position is. QBs rarely get hit unless the Oline sucks… WRs get hit on most plays, but typically there are enough WRs on field to spread the pain out.. A RB is guaranteed to take a hit, unless the run goes for 6, everytime they touch the ball. To simplify, I just believe the risk of injury is highest for RBs out of the three.
Lemme be honest here for a second.
Again, as has been stated, we don’t need a game changing QB
Where has that gotten us so far? Trust me, I am the no.1 proponent of the ‘Stop the Jake hate’ fanclub… but seriously, our roster now with a game changing QB puts us up in the upper echelon of the NFL.
Sooner or later we’re going to have to address the position, and if we don’t do it early next draft then I’ll be seriously doubting our front office. Yes, some freak injuries could wage havok in our backfield; but lets be honest if DeAngerlo and J-Stew are down, and we’re relying on Goodson we’ll be looking at a 6-10 season if we’re lucky.
No doubt a RB takes more hits and has a greater propensity to injury… but all I’m looking at is if such a proposition arose where a team was offering us a 2nd round pick, a pick that could be used on a future starting player… then I’m willing to trade our 3rd string RB. Because with out catostrophic injury (and you can mock me on this if I’m wrong) Mike Goodson will never be as good as DeAngelo Williams or Jonathan Stewart.
by James The Aussie on Sep 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take a game changing QB for Goodson
If somebody was stupid enough to hand over one, I’d give them any one of our backs. If Goodson stops droping the ball then DWill-Goodson or JStew-Goodson would make good combos.
Your assumption that Goodson can’t get the job done as a starter is very premature. My opinion is that he has a ton of upside. But the truth is that at this point he could go either way.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I'll add my two-cents...
Personally, I don’t evaluate Goodson as just our 3rd string RB. He’s also a very dangerous guy to use at the WR and KR positions. Basically, that makes him a potential gamebreaker at 3 different positions. I say we keep him. No trade. No matter what.
Now, I think it’s more likely we have to re-evaluate Jonathan Stewart and Deangelo Williams. We have Deangelo’s contract expiring after next year. Do we try and keep him? We also have Jonathan Stewart’s nagging injury. Do we have to put him on IR? Depending on how either of those questions get answered, it’s important to have a player like Goodson waiting in the wings. But again, he’s there not only as insurance for the other two RBs. He’s there to provide another lift at the WR/KR positions, too.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
+2 cents
Goodson can fill that Nick Goings-man of many faces role. And whether we want to admit it or not, sooner or later if Stew stays healthy he is going to become too valuable to keep as a starter. Unless the Panthers trade DeAngelo, Stewart will eventually go the way of Michael Turner.
Now you have 4 cents!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I'm not seeing any kind of trade involvong Goodson
maybe a future pick for a vet DT but I’m doubting that too.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Otay, jkpsg1516234.09
I can’t think of a single good reason to “Calm down on the hype” of a Panther’s player on a Panther’s blog. Isn’t that kind of the point? What would you prefer a little Michael Turner hype?
And I’m sorry you are upset about me “comparing him to Smitty”. But maybe you should re-read where I said
I’m not saying Goodson will be as good as Smitty
My point was that he has shown a lot of potential, let’s let him develop before we pass judgment. What’s wrong with that?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Let me also take this opportunity to add this disclaimer:
“James the Aussie is extremely excited that Mike Goodson is a Carolina Panther and provides them with the best 3rd RB option they have had since Nick Goings. He is sure Goodson will make an impact when given the opportunity and sincerely hopes the good readers of this blog do not assume his hypothetical rosterbation is tantamount to absolute condemnation of our 4th round gem.”
by James The Aussie on Sep 8, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Draft options
I enjoy reading others opinions. I’m not a very close minded person in the “what works” department.
Your argument for a draft pick and future QB is definitely valid, but seeing as we drafted Goodson in the 4th round, and next years draft is supposed to be so deep in QB’s, who’s to say we aren’t able to snag a QB next year with our first choice?
Another interesting light bulb just popped in my head while typing that question. Of course, this is a huge “what if” as everything else, but Carolina traded their 2010 first round pick to San Diego for a second round pick as well as a fourth round pick. Those picks were used on Everette Brown and Mike Goodson. The most common assumption I get from this is that Carolina just wanted to get on the board and grab a few players before their third and fifth round picks came up. However, if Carolina had been looking ahead and knew of the QB prospects in the 2010 draft, would they have traded away their first round pick again? It seems pretty common for Carolina to make draft movements, and we may end up trading away our 1st and 2nd round picks (or similar) in 2011 for a first round pick in 2010 to get a QB. Without having time to actually research and explore the options, that’s would be my first choice.
It doesn’t make sense to me, though, that Carolina would trade a first round pick for Everette and Goodson, only to trade Goodson away for another first round pick. Maybe some later and future picks, but not Goodson.
I foresee him doing many great things this season. Why? Because there’s currently nothing to tell me otherwise, so I’m going to hope for the absolute best.
In fact, I’d love to see Carolina fall to the very last selection in the 2010 draft ;)
Wow...
This is absolutely ridiculous….I feel like we are going in circles here….really??
I am not going to state my point about having 4 RB’s and not knowing whats happening with them again because that’s obviously not getting to you….
But yeah I think you are a little overhyped about Goodson….listen I like the kid a lot, the sky is the ceiling for this kids potential no doubt, and he has had some ‘wow’ flashes this preseason…BUT you are treating him like he’s already a PRO BOWLER when he hasn’t played in one REGULAR SEASON GAME!!! And I quote “Best rookie peformance” EVERRRRR…and then you compare him to Steve Smith who has proved his worth in Gold 8 times over….(and yes you did compare him to Smitty despite your little contradictory disclaimer…)
BACK TO YOUR POINT>>>
Yes, Goodson has enormous potential. Also, I would very much like to see Goodson develop before we pass judgement on him (BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING!) <<<<You have already passed judgement on the kid and labeled him a future HOF’er…that is what’s wrong with that…
Wow.. Seems like a not so important subject escalated a little further than it should have… I believe in the end we all want to see the Panthers win the SuperBowl, so why all the fuss over how good Goodson really is? Surely I want him to be the best running back in the league, but I also would want that for Williams, Stewart, and Sutton because they are a Panther. We may all have our own ideas of the path that should get us there the quickest, but regardless, is the final destination not the true point here?
Wow.. Seems like a not so important subject escalated a little further than it should have… I believe in the end we all want to see the Panthers win the SuperBowl, so why all the fuss over how good Goodson really is? Surely I want him to be the best running back in the league, but I also would want that for Williams, Stewart, and Sutton because they are a Panther. We may all have our own ideas of the path that should get us there the quickest, but regardless, is the final destination not the true point here?Rather Goodson ends up a Hall of Fame running back or not, so long as he is capable of contributing to the team I love the most, he’s good by me.
you are now taking everything I have said and rewriting it as a ridiculous extreme
Please show me where I said something about a Probowl or Hall of Fame. I never even alluded that he should be anything more than a backup. My point about Smith was that he was a 3rd round pick that everybody passed up on. However he showed a lot of potential as a returner, and eventually developed into a star receiver. Due to the performance Goodson has shown thus far, I think we should likewise, let him develop to see his true potential. Now I really don’t think you read that as Goodson=Smitty.
But why you want to exaggerate that I have no clue. My only guess is that you don’t like people debating you.
And yes, Goodson’s preseason performance is the best Panther rookie preseason performance I can remember. If you can think of a better one, please share it with me. I wont ridicule you about it. I’ll agree or disagree and move on to the next one. That’s what this blog is all about.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Alright....
I’m going to do us both a favor and simply end this conversation now. I really like what DRanged said >>>>a not so important subject went farther than it should have…
I think we both had good initial points and both got a little carried away on something far fetched and pointless…and Hey I’ll admit it I probably did exaggerate what you did have to say…and I’ll also admit that I probably antagonized you a bit…so consider this an apology and a truce offering….
DRanged also hit the nail on the head when he said that we are really on the same team and want the same thing: a successive team….
So for the future, lets both agree that we’ll argue on something ACTUALLY worth arguing and keep the debate to a civil level and not try to get after each other, whadya say big guy??
Now that I can agree with!
I’m not sure how long I can go with out getting some what carried away… but I’ll give it a shot ;)
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Living in Big 10 country...
I’ve watched alot of Sutton. Smart pick-up. Hopefully, he’ll be our return man.
Yeah, I have to think the brass is looking at him for that role
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
+1
I think the brass realized Goodson is MUCH more than a KR…and they’d probably like to use him much more in the offense (particularly if Stewart has to go on IR or otherwise continues to be day-to-day throughout the season). That means the Sutton pickup lets them focus Goodson on non-special teams duty, so Sutton can take that over. Or, imagine if they put both Goodson and Sutton back to return kicks?
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
About Ra'SHon Harris
Ya know, I can’t help but think that Ra’shon was high on our draft boards and simply fell to the Steelers late in the 6th (where we didn’t have a pick..) before we could get our hands on him a couple of picks later early in the 7th. If the Panthers were high on him in the draft, then not being able to be able to pick him up in the draft was great as it allowed us to get Capt Munnerlyn (who has been impressive and good value)…..so in essence, we got a helluva value picking up this talented rookie DT without even having to waste a draft pick on him!!!
On Harris, as a Duck fan
He is a great get off waivers. Fantastic against the run, does not get blocked out of his lanes. Did not make a lot of noise as a pass rusher but I think that’s more because contain was emphasized, as Oregon had excellent edge rushers (esp. Nick Reed now with Seattle). A friend who is both a Duck and Steelers fan was disappointed they let him go, said he was outstanding in pre-season wherever he was placed on the line. Also, a great kid – became very teachable at Oregon and took advantage of his opportunities once out from under the big shadow of Haloti Ngata
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 7, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree, and About those DUCKS
I also think that Ra’shon is a talented D lineman, and I have heard rave reviews of Steelers about this guy being the future of their line, and now lamenting that he won’t be at least on their PS. I also think we got great value out of him as he was a 6th round pick…and we got him as a waiver wire transaction!!
And About those Ducks: With this transaction, the Panthers have acquired a number of Oregon Ducks over the past few years and obviously feel like this university produces good players that can translate into the pros….simply look at these new young ducks starting with the obvious: Jonathan Stewart, you’ve also got Dante Rosario and Geoff Schwartz, and now Ra’shon Harris…all relatively new and younger Panthers who hail from Oregon…coincidence??
Probably a coincidence, but a nice one for Oregon fans
the program had a strong run under Mike Belloti and he recruited well. It probably doesn’t surprise anyone to see offensive players from the Pac-10, but there are a half dozen recent Ducks playing DL in the pros now, which is something new for the program. Another nice thing is that the conference has fairly rigorous admittance/academic standards, so you know you are not drafting morons
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 7, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats good to hear about Harris
He sounds like just what the Panthers were hoping would be available, a run stuffer.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
I don’t think this has anything to do with J.Stew because he is the only power runner they have in a run first system. J.Stew played with pain last year and put up great numbers. Even in a more reduced role this year, and with pain, the Panthers would value his 3rd and short power. (The Panthers don’t use their fullbacks unless it is for blocking or very predictable 4th and one downs at the 35yrd. line). The Panthers are hoping that Sutton’s abilities will answer a problem with fumbling on special teams. If Goodson gets traded it will be because of the Peppers fallout after this season ends. I hope that Harris can contribute to this team, but I think they would have rather had a vet.
+1
No way they are thinking about replacing Stewart or Goodson with an undrafted nobody. This is all about the returner’s fumbles.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Replacing Stewart or Goodson with a nobody??
Okay Southtunnel, I have a bone to pick with you….
We had an entire conversation yesterday (on the Steelers vs Panthers blog) where you apathetically tried to convince me of trading JStew…NOW you don’t want him to be replaced?? What??
And furthermore, you don’t want GOODSON, a nobody who had a good preseason showing, to be replaced by SUTTON, a nobody with an equally good preseason showing???—> Goodson had 197 rushing yds, Sutton had 191 yds AND a TD!! I know you have seen Goodson in action and are more emotionally attached to him, but I think that Sutton might be just as good…
And back to returning duties…Sutton has never returned a punt, so why do you think he is just got to be the answer…plus the Panthers depth chart doesn’t have him listed on ST so that’s kind of the end of that….
Not trying to interfere with this debate between you two, but for reference Goodson also finished with one TD, while coming up a sore leg short of two touchdowns (attributing to Birmingham’s second TD, which Goodson set up while also getting shaken up on the play, forcing him to sit out a few)
Personally, IF the Panthers are going to trade someone, I’d like to see them push the deadline, just to see what these guys do… Would suck to trade one and them go on to a break out rookie season…
I would rather see Stewart sit out the season than further injure himself, though, if they feel there is a high risk of such.
Now backing out of the conversation :)
My trade argument was based on getting a dominant DT or DB
Not replacing him with an UDFA. The more I look into Sutton, I’ll admit that I came down on him too hard at first… he looks like a good pickup.
But since you want to compare him to Goodson, let’s break it down… The only thing Sutton has on Goodson is 0 fumbles, which I admit could be Goodson’s Achilles heal. But Goodson’s best game was 30 yards more than Sutton’s. Goods longest is 22 yards, Sutton’s is 11. Sutton had 210 total yards, Goodson had 248! Sutton had only 2 receptions, Goodson had 8!… one of which many receivers couldn’t catch. That’s not emotion, that’s just the facts.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I think if they really thought Stewart wouldn't play this season
they would have made a move on him already. Just being cautious with Stew I hopes
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Fox has been burned in the past by RB injuries
In 2004 we lost our top 2 RBs early in the season, and were left with only Nick Goings. Then in 2005 we lost our top 3 RBs, and wound up with Jamal Robertson as our RB in the NFC Championship!
With Fox’s run-first mindset, I’m sure just a small amount of uncertainty in Stewart’s health and Goodson’s fumbling could prompt a pick like this. And considering the history this is probably a good move.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I have this nagging suspicion...
…that Jonathan Stewart might be headed to injured reserve this season. If that’s the case, I think it perfectly explains the Sutton pickup. Otherwise, we’re going with a lot more RBs than we’ve carried in previous seasons during the John Fox era. Of course, we finally have an absolutely mountainous offensive line now. And a propensity to run-run-run more than throw the ball. So maybe we’re loading up on guys to carry the rock because our playcalling will feature that a lot more than the passing game?
Who knows?
—Neil
My Opinion
Harris replaces Irvin, and Sutton is insurance for Stewart. I really doubt either of these guys will be active come next Sunday. Sutton will only be active if Stewart can’t go. And Harris (or Irvin if he didn’t get hurt) won’t be active unless there’s an injury to the top three DTs. I don’t understand all the speculation that this will led to a big trade or more wild-cat formations…
It seems that the panthers are confident that Davis and Beason will be ready to go against the eagles. I can’t ever remember us only keeping 6 LBs, not sure that we haven’t though.
My second opinion.
After commenting earlier, I was actually able to do some research on Sutton. Being I’m not so much a fan of college football (I watch, but don’t follow like I do NFL), all I have to go off of is what I was able to dig up.
From that, it looked to me that Sutton is pretty good at escaping tackles. Despite the fact that he is the smallest back on the team, he may be a good short yardage back, at least for a change of pace. Understandably, most college tackles aren’t quite the same as professional tackles, if Sutton can bulk up (at least 200, preferably 210+) over time, he may be able to sneak through the pile just enough to be effective. With Williams and Goodson blazing the field, I don’t see Sutton being utilized in the speed department.
He seems to be a very tricky player, though, due to his unusual size. Compared to the 10 best, and 10 worst, running backs in terms of total season yardage, Sutton is the smallest both in height and weight. If anyone else knows of a back this size (5’8, 190lbs), can you fill me in?
Correction?
The official Panthers website list Sutton at 213, meanwhile the NFL website lists 190. I hope his NFL profile is out-dated.
I bet Sutton was picked up on talent alone
not to fill a role per say
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
I sincerely hope you’re right.
I’m having trouble placing the guy though, because of his size…
Williams can outrun’em… Stewart can run over’em … Goodson can (apparently) run right around them and their buddy in a flash… What does Sutton do?
I’m not criticizing him, but I truly don’t know anything about this guy beyond some articles and YouTube highlight reels. Perhaps he is just there in the case someone gets hurt, or does his (lack of) height enable him to sneak through piles or something similar to that effect? I seen quite a few college tackles fall off just because he got so far under them, thanks to being 5’8. I hope he finds a way to make NFL tackles fall off like that haha.
Maybe they think he’s just that good :)
To answer your size question...
Darren Sproles, San Diego Chargers…5 ft 6 in, 181 lb
He is the closest I can think of right now
Speaking as a Steelers Fan
if you hold onto him you probably got a good one in Ra’Shon (Sonny) Harris. He’s been a great surprise to us all pre-season. He came in as a kid who at best probably looked like a practice squad type player. As a 3-4 team we rarely keep more than 7 DL players and with a first rounder (Ziggy Hood) to add to 6 returning guys from last year he was always going to lose the numbers game. Rumour has it that the Steelers liked Harris’ ability even as a rookie enough that they were shopping Travis Kirschke (34 but started half a dozen games last year) and Nick Eason (a good contributor in the rotation last year) to some teams to clear a roster spot for Harris.
So he’s highly thought of in Pittsburgh. BUt he would not ever likely have been a Casey Hampton replacement. He looks more like an Aaron Smith type. Perfect size for a 3-4 Defensive End but probably a good run stuffing DT in a 4-3 down the line.
Harris drew some good praise from Aaron Smith for his ability to pick up the finer points of playing the 3-4 and rave reviews for the way he learned to use his hands to punch his man off balance.
The Steelers took a risk by not keeping him on the 53 hoping that people wouldn’t have seen enough of him so it’s not surprising it’s Carolina, who will have gotten a real good look at him on Thursday night, that picked up his rights. If we hadn’t had a first rounder to add to the roster at 3-4DE in Ziggy Hood Harris would be a Steeler and a probable contributor as a rookie too. At worst for us he’d have made the roster next season when Kirschke and Eason are out of contract. Shame, but good luck with him and we’ll have him back anytime you’re done with him ;)
Very generous contribution of info -- thanks Kiwi.
(Is he the guy who trampled over Keydrick Vincent?)
OMG
if in fact we traded Goodson for any pick i will flip…Goodson will see plenty of action… he will help us in the fourth qtr when we have the lead, st play, option at slot, 5wr? pick ur poison but when the ball is in the kids hands i promise u the opposing DC will be holding his breath. and if u want to say he has just had a good pre season then no he also had a great training camp…he does amazing things,great vision,speed, size (being a speed back), motor, hunger, heart, and he takes care of his momma…and if you dont want to take my word for it then how about steve smith who doesnt give credit to any1 but spoke very high of where Goodson is right now and where he will be…just pump the brakes over there guy
JAKE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR CAROLINA FOR THE NEXT 2 OR THREE YEARS GET OVER IT!!! AND JULIUS PEPPERS IS THE BEST DE IN THE NFL 100% EFFORT OR NOT!!! PERIOD! WE CANT DO ANY BETTER SO SHUT THE F#@K UP
still need a veteran DT
I think the DT depth is still a big issue with only Lewis as a veteran. What if Lewis goes down…we are in big trouble then. I hope they get another DT and cut a DE or maybe one of the DBs.
Meeks is goin to have a whole bunch of options
i think Harris and Leonard will work out just fine
JAKE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR CAROLINA FOR THE NEXT 2 OR THREE YEARS GET OVER IT!!! AND JULIUS PEPPERS IS THE BEST DE IN THE NFL 100% EFFORT OR NOT!!! PERIOD! WE CANT DO ANY BETTER SO SHUT THE F#@K UP
I'm thinking Furney intends to start the season
rotating Leonard, D-Lew, Hayden and Harris on the interior. Meeks and Baker will have their work cut out coaching them up
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
that they will
but how much fun could it be for them? like on 3rd and long havin Brown, Brayton, Peppers, Taylor? thats a beast pass rush! and i really have faith in Leonard i think this guy can be huge for us…im not sure about Harris yet but LL is big enough and athletic enough to where i think the oppsing teams will have to double team him…he has to switch from 34 to the 43 but i really dont think that its going to be that hard for him…and im hoping that the type of DT i have in my mind that LL is goin to be im hoping that sunny is goin to be the same thing and is going to give us the depth and the rotation to keep guys fresh and healthy..also im hopin that this will cause problems for the O.C.s we face…Meeks is good at taking guys and making them perform on the line and we have A LOT of talent for him to work with at every position..every1 wants to be worried about how they looked in pre season but im not. i dont think that they have had enough time to digest the scheme…and they probably wont be into for untill week 5…and for all u “fans” out there that means dont go jumping ship if we wind up 0-3 cuz u might get ur foot stuck in ur mouth when they win 12 of their next 13 games…but i dont think we will be 0-3 i think we are ready to beat the eagles and i think we will take the falcons down in their house wk2…we could beat the boys but for some reason we dont like to… and if u guys are counting thats right i said it at least 12-4 but i feel good about 14-2…u wont see the panthers that come out there thinkin “this is W” cuz our schedule is rediculous so i expect this group to be coached well and hungry…and this is how it should go as long as JD and DW arent down at the same time…or 4 starting O line men down at the same time or 3LBs …well i could just keep goin so im gonna stop b4 i write an article over here…(sorry jax)
JAKE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR CAROLINA FOR THE NEXT 2 OR THREE YEARS GET OVER IT!!! AND JULIUS PEPPERS IS THE BEST DE IN THE NFL 100% EFFORT OR NOT!!! PERIOD! WE CANT DO ANY BETTER SO SHUT THE F#@K UP
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
