Official CSR Panthers Roster Prediction Thread
by Jaxon on Sep 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT
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I know some of you have already posted roster predictions but now that final cut downs are upon us its time to see who can actually predict who will actually make the Panthers 53 man roster for the season opener. So I'm going to make my prediction and anyone who wants to try can add their changes or just +1 mine. It starts after the jump...
Offense (24):
OL (9): Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, Ryan Kalil, Keydrick Vincent, Jeff Otah, Duke Robinson, Geoff Schwartz, MacKenzie Bernadeau, Justin Geisinger
TE (3): Gary Barnidge, Jeff King, Dante Rosario
RB (3): DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Goodson
QB (3): Jake Delhomme, Josh McCown, Matt Moore
FB (2): Brad Hoover, Tony Fiammetta
WR (4): Steve Smith, Musin Muhammad, Kenny Moore, Dwayne Jarrett
Defense (24):
DT (5): Damionne Lewis, Corvey Irvin, Louis Leonard, Marlon Favorite, Nick Hayden
DE (5): Julius Peppers, Everette Brown, Tyler Brayton, Charles Johnson, Hilee Taylor
LB (6): Na'il Diggs, Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, James Anderson, Dan Conner, Jeremy Leman
DB (8): Chris Gamble, Richard Marshall, Charles Godfrey, Chris Harris, Quiton Teal, Sherrod Martin, CJ Wilson, Kevin Kaesviharn
Special Teams (5):
K: John Kasay, Rhys Lloyd, Brian Baker
LS: JJ Jansen
Key Cuts: LB Landon Johnson, CB Dante Wesley
The tough call for me is whether Hilee Taylor sticks versus DB Dante Wesley. I'd like to cut Kevin K in favor of Wesley but that would only leave us with 3 Safeties unless Martin showed enough to warrant back-up status. In that case Wesley sticks instead of Kevin K.
The nineth offensive limen is a crap shoot for me. Geisinger seemed to get a lot of PT and he has the flexibility of playing two positions, something we know the Panthers value. If not Geisinger then one of the tackles Patrick Brown or Garry Williams sticks.
Marlon favorite could also get cut but I'm thinking he showed enough to earn a spot. I'm sure some people will question Jeremy Leman but what we have to think about is what guys will get snapped up if we try to sneak them through waivers. I think we would lose Favorite or Leman if we put them on the PS. Cutting Landon Johnson might not save any money but I think the Panthers will just cut bait on that poor FA acquisition.
The one wild card is the Panthers could still pick up another DT making any of a number of people expendable.
So lets hear your predictions:
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You counted Brian Baker.. as a Kicker???
I think keep L.J and Dante + birmingham… and cut Geiseinger + Mc"Clown"..
I think PS.. Favorite.. Lee. Cantwell.
I think we will see 2-3 tough decisions by panthers
Jaxon... just take 2 hits and pass
I think you’ve had enough, lol
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Since you brought up Stewart... ;)
I know this is not the right article for this, but for some reason Stewart has rubbed me the wrong way (no pun intended) this off-season. Watching him the last 2 games on the sideline in street clothes, chompin on sunflower seeds and cutting up with other players… Like a big goofy, care-free kid. In contrast, Goodson is filling JStew’s role on the field, and has a fiery look in his eyes, a nose for the end zone… And when he fumbles, he looks very distraught on the sidelines. I haven’t seen that emotion from Stewart.
The first 2 pre-season games last year, Stewart could barely get a yard. Many people said it was because he was playing with 2nd stringers, because he played really well in the 3rd game against Washington. But Goodson has looked incredible every game, no matter which string he’s playing with. For everything Stewart does due to pure skill, Goodson seems to make up for with that Smitty-like determination.
Now with this whole injury-thing, I am starting to question Stewart’s motivation. Am I on an island with this one?
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lol... you are probably right
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Reading way too much into it
Stewart was known be injury prone even before the draft – the positive with Stewart is that he can play through pain like he did last year with his turf toe. There seems to be little sense in him playing the pointless preseason games and possibly aggravating it anyway.
I agree that Mike Goodson is exciting but he looks like a different type of player altogether – he more of speedy back and you can’t on him to be the bruiser that Stewart is. If anything Goodson is going to complement Stew – he can’t be a subsitute for him.
I sense that you are aching to see a trade but I don’t see any sense in that. Goodson/Rosario can fill in as receiving threats and there is no reason why all mentioned here cannot co-exist on the roster.
I know he won't be traded this year
To be honest, I’d rather see him become a star. Finding a guy with his combination of size and speed is almost impossible. I just hope he has the drive to match his talent.
Steve Smith has shown us that determination can compensate for the tangible assets. And Goodson has that same look in his eye. Bottom line, we will not keep all 3 long term… It looks like down the road we will have some tough decisions to make.
If Stewart and Goodson both work out, the 2 of them could complement each other very well… hmmmmm.
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Heart and Edge
Jaxon, I hate to say it but it seems that only about 10% of the ones you listed above are showing any heart or edge at this time. Maybe if the front office, coaches and managers get their acts together things will heat up on the field. I really don’t know why the ownership and management have put this team in this position with players. Mainly the decisions on Delhomme and Peppers have gutted the team. They just are not making very good business decisions that will allow the team to healthy grow and improve.
What was the alternative?
So, assuming they had made “good business decisions” and somehow replaced Delhomme and Peppers, who would they have replaced them with that would have allowed the team to be better than it is right now? Jay Cutler for Delhomme? We didn’t have the capital to entice Denver to look our way for a trade like that. Some other DE to replace Peppers? I never saw anyone of comparable talent available. In addition, we wouldn’t have just let him walk free for nothing. So we had to slap him with the franchise tag. But it was his fault that he waited forever before signing the tender. Until he did that, we couldn’t even start trying to trade him anyway. And even if we had tried, no one wanted him. Not for the amount of money he wanted. And not for the draft picks we wanted.
So it’s a moot point. The fact of the matter is that the off-season presented NO better alternatives to Jake or Julius. The Panthers organization is better with them on the team this year than we’d be without them. Now, AFTER we go through this season and come out on the other side, we can revisit these guys and see what we want to do. Hopefully by then, Peppers will be a bit more reasonable and either sign with us long-term again or make himself attractive enough to other teams to get a reasonable trade value for him. As for Jake, he’ll never see the end of the contract extension he signed. It was more of a restructuring deal anyway to shift money around for this year’s cap. I really wish people would just lay off the declarations that the Panthers “are not making very good business decisions.” In actuality, they’ve made the best business decisions they could under the given circumstances.
But that’s just my two-cents (and everyone else is certainly entitled to theirs),
—Neil
Good response
Thanks for the response, but in you second sentence you made the same comment that I did. We didn’t have the capital to do anything else. When one player takes almost 20% of the working capital and leaves 80% for the other 52 players something is way out of balance. it is just not a good business model to take into the future. With the logic we made the decisions with this year we will pay him over 20 million next year and futher gut the team. The situation with Delhomme is that they" have" given him a contract and there is no other quarterback on the horizion, if this was a way to restructure and gain time (for what?). This problem goes further back than just this year, we have made some of the worst deals with players such as Sean Gilbert and you can just keep adding names. I understand your statements, but the team and it’s leaders have got to get it right soon and just stop this senseless path to nowhere. One bright spot out there is I and glad to see a few of very good choices with additions of Goodson, Moore and Brown.
I hear you...
…and my primary response is that we didn’t have the capital to pursue someone like Cutler in terms of the draft picks required, not the money he would have wanted. Chicago mortgaged the farm to bring him in…and we just couldn’t compete with that. So there was never a viable QB replacement for Delhomme. I just think it’s a moot point.
As for Peppers and his $1 million per game, I think he’s getting what it took to retain our franchise player…but only for this year. We either re-sign him to a deal that makes much better sense after this season, or we trade him (for whatever we can get). There’s no way we franchise him again. I’d rather let him walk than do that. But for this year, I’m okay with what we did. It’s the only thing that made sense, because I certailny would not have been in favor of letting him walk before this season…and that’s because there was no viable replacement for him.
That’s the crux of my point, at least…
—Neil
Some comments...
1) OLs - I chose Justin Geisinger for the last OL as well, for exactly the same reasons you cited…i.e., flexibility in playing multiple positions (G/C). But that leaves us a bit short on backup OTs. Both Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald and Charles Chandler of the Charlotte Observer chose Garry Williams instead. And they’ve had the benefit of seeing all these guys in training camp. But, Geisinger is in his 4th season and I don’t think we can put him on the practice squad. Whereas, I think we can stash Williams or Patrick Brown there. So maybe Geisinger sticks and they keep one of the other guys on the PS for an emergency need.
2) DLs Keeping 10 DLs seems like a bit much to me. I just can’t see that many. We need a fair number of smaller guys for special teams, so I think we’ll use one of these roster spots on another LB or DB instead. To me, there are two guys eligible to cut among those you’ve listed - Nick Hayden and Hilee Taylor — and possibly both go to make room for a better DT after we raid the waiver wire.
3) LBs - I really can’t see us going with only 6 LBs. We carried 9 last year and Fox loves him some LBs, not just for defense, but for special teams as well. I’m willing to slash one of the LB spots from last year to keep Fiammetta at FB. And I think we probably cut another one to keep a versatile guy like Captain Munnerlyn on the team. But to also cut Landon Johnson after Fox and company have kept him around for all this time as a 2nd string backup…I just can’t see it. I think he still makes the roster, both as a nod to veteran experience as well as his manageable salary cap number.
4) DBs - I think we probably cut Kaesviharn and keep Dante Wesley. They’re both veterans, Wesley has a lot more history with our team and I think the coaches are probably very comfortable with him. Plus, they were working him out at the S position, so he’s got versatility that Kaesviharn lacks. Now, if we cut both Hayden and Hilee from the DLs, there’s a chance we could keep both. But I just don’t see it.
So that means, I’m in complete agreement with you except for 3 positions. Geisinger may get replaced by Williams. Hilee is probably gone because of Everette Brown and we’ll keep Landon Johnson. Kaesviharn is dropped in favor of Dante Wesley. And, once we bring in a bigger, better DT, I think Nick Hayden is cut as well.
My four cents,
—Neil
I don't think it would be that surprising
They are both already kind of on the bubble.
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Cuts list, per Inside the Panthers
September 05, 2009
#Panthers announce cuts
The Carolina Panthers have released 23 players and placed rookie defensive tackle
Corvey Irvin on injured reserve to reach the 53-man roster limit the team announced Saturday.
Terminated vested veterans and waiver requests are listed below.
TERMINATED VESTED VETERANS
:
Justin Geisinger, OL Vanderbilt
Kevin Kaesviharn, S Augustana
WAIVER REQUESTS
:
Larry Beavers, WR Wesley College
DeCori Birmingham, RB Arkansas (Injured)
Casper Brinkley, DL South Carolina
Patrick Brown, OL Central Florida
Hunter Cantwell, QB Louisville
Jason Chery, WR Louisiana-Lafayette
Paul Chiara, S Syracuse
DJ Clark, DB Idaho State
Andrew Davie, TE Arkansas
Marlon Favorite, DT LSU
Joe Fields, DB Syracuse
Keith Gray, OL Connecticut
Anthony Heygood, LB Purdue
George Hypolite, DT Colorado
Mortty Ivy, LB West Virginia
Jamall Lee, RB Bishop’s University
Jeremy Leman, LB Illinois
Kevin McMahan, WR Maine
Marcus Monk, WR Arkansas
Jonathan Palmer, OL Auburn
Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse
RESERVE / INJURED
:
Corvey Irvin, DT Georgia
So down to 51!
Guess we’re looking to pick up other team’s castoffs.
The surprise cuts for me is Jeremy Leman, Marlon Favorite, and Beavers somewhat. I kinda wanna see McMahan signed to our practice squad. He looked pretty good in the preseason. I’m actually surprised that they didn’t cut Hilee Taylor. But I am completely perplexed as to what we’re going to do with our DT spot. We now only have D. Lewis, Leonard Louis, and Nick Hayden. I mean I have to assume that we’re going to sign or trade for someone else right?
We are down to 51
We will probably sign one DT and possibly a punt returner.
Thansk bigdavis for posting this!
So tackle Garry Williams stuck. And Captain Munnerlyn, good fo rhim.
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In addition...
…the raiders released QB Jeff Garcia. Get ready for the calls to replace Jake Delhomme.
DT
The Raiders have released a DT Terrdell Sands 6-7 335lbs ???
J. Sullivan
by pantherpackcaniac on Sep 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
steve reed of carolinagrowl.com
said we may be interested in him
by carolinabrave89 on Sep 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2006
He had 41 tackles and a sack, yet only started 2 games. Compare that to Kemoeatu who had 34 tackles, 0 sacks, and started 13 games. Last year as a backup, he had only 7 less tackles than Kemoeatu, but 2 more sacks.
I say grab him!
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Interesting
His numbers the last few years have looked better as a backup than a starter…
http://www.nfl.com/players/terdellsands/profile?id=SAN599341
I think this could be a nice pickup. Maybe like last year with o-linemen… if we grab enough of these guys, a couple of them could turn out to work really well. Just wish we could have had them in camp.
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Practice squad
I like thse for the PS:
Leman, Favorite, Cantwell, Fields, Brown, Monk, Beavers, Lee
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Hmmm...
I"m cool with Jeremy Leman, Marlon Favorite, Hunter Cantwell, Joe Fields, Patrick Brown, Larry Beavers, and Jamall Lee…but I think we’d do better to keep Mortty Ivy as another backup LB to pair with Leman than retain Marcus Monk. Now, if Jamall Lee gets an exemption as an international player, maybe we could keep both?
I would like to ask something.
How was Landon Johnson not cut? He didn’t do anything in the preseason, while Jeremy Leman flew around like a man possessed. John Fox should be ashamed of himself! Bad Fox! Bad!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I'm with you on that one, Rev.
Hope Leman gets through waivers, but I doubt it. And the same for Marlon Favorite.
I understand wanting Lehman to make it, but what has Favorite done?
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Played better than Hayden, IMO
Except for that one play early vs the Steelers, when Hayden came through unblocked for a loss (which was no different than the play that everybody got on Keydrick Vincent about)— it was just a missed OL assignment, and made Hayden look (and act) like a hero. He’s gotten pushed aside numerous times in the middle, and won’t hold up vs top centers and guards.
Favorite, on the other hand, took on two blockers on the majority of plays he was in for, and held his ground — plus he ran to the ball with hustle after the play flowed away from him. Having been an early proponent of his making the team, I watched him carefully on every play he was in, and never saw him take one off, or get bullied — not the case with Hayden, who weighs maybe 20 lbs less. For all the tattoos that Hayden sports, he ain’t that tough. (not saying he couldn’t kick my ass — but I’m judging him against opposing blockers!)
But as the new guy, Louis Leonard, or another DT yet to be acquired, will probably start in front of Hayden, it’s probably just moot.
lol... I'm sharing this with Hayden
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