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Panthers Fade in Loss to Cowboys 21-7


The Panthers did everything they needed to in the first half of this game to lead the Cowboys 7-0. They blitzed on defense more than they had all season They ran play action and hit the open player releasing on offense. But then the 3rd quarter started and they reverted back to there same pathetic ways. The run defense became porous and the offense couldn't get a first down. Any hope we held at halftime quickly dissipated into the familiar "here we go again'.

Before I start my rant about the details of the loss let me first cover a couple trends I think we have to acknowledge.

  • As much as I love QB Jake Delhomme the mistakes are getting maddening, whether they are his fault or not. Maybe Smitty did blow the route on the pick 6 but its Jakes job to make sure everyone is on the same page. On the first INT it looked like Moose wasn't even expecting the pass.
  • Jake's arm doesn't seem strong enough to throw the deep ball anymore. Every deep throw is coming up short
  • DE Julius Peppers is not worth the investment. The Panthers should dangle him before the trade deadline to see what they can get for him
  • ....more ranting after the jump...

Star-divide

Looking at this tough loss here's what is really is annoying:

  • The tackling completely sucked by the defense
  • The blitzing that was effective in the first half dried up in the second
  • The offense couldn't do squat in the 2nd half, four straight 3 and outs and just looked pathetic doing it. The play calling was bad but it seemed the offensive line decided to stay in the locker room.
  • The Panther zone coverage got ripped time and again on 3rd and long

There might be some positives to take away from this game but darn if I can think of them so far. I'll leave that to our resident optimist James.

What am I leaving out?

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How did the o-line play poorly?

Maybe during run plays, but I think they did a very solid job giving Jake ample time to find the open receiver.

But one thing I think everyone can agree on (if you watched the game), playcalling on both sides of the ball was VERY poor.

by RaffyGonzo on Sep 29, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

How many times was Jake under pressure in the second half?

A lot. Maybe you credit the Cowboys but he could barely get in his drop on many, many plays

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. No, he wasn't.

The pass protection, until Otah got beat on that final drive, was pretty solid. Every QB’s under some pressure on every snap. No, the interior of our O line couldn’t handle their D line, and how many times did our backs get the ball only to be driven down immediately by Olshansky or Ratliff or a blitzing Keith Brooking? It was their inability to handle the big guys the Cowboys put up front that doomed us.

More specifically, the backup FB, Fiammetta, played awful. I never quite understood how much of a difference it makes for your offense having a great FB in the lineup. But god, our offense dissolved with Hoover out. We couldn’t open a hole at all. The only good runs we had were from a single-back set with two TEs. I watched Fiammetta miss block after block, and our backs paid the price.

Still, I watched the entire game last night thinking “These are not good football teams. Someone will win, but neither of these are good teams.”

by r3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see the same horrible plays on Fiametta... I even listed him as 'somewhat optimistic' in my assesment.

I didn’t fully watch tape on him yet, so if I’m way off base I’ll remove him… but I don’t remember thinking of him as a major problem.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dually noted.

I removed him after watching 3 or 4 plays again…. rookie mistakes.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

its time for fox to go. getting outcoached in the second half by wade phillips is total embarassment.

"it's a bad day to have a bad day"

by D.W.G. on Sep 29, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't...

Actually say that. Going back through the last 3 years, both Phillips and Garrett have shown the ability to make excellent halftime adjustments. They have routinely done well in the 3rd Quarter. Phillips may not be an inspiring leader, but he’s a damn good Xs and Os coach.

by rhodri2112 on Sep 29, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly why Fox needs to go!

He just doesn’t seem to be clever enough to make the necessary adjustments. He has a formula, and if that doesn’t work… well, “it is what it is”. He catches teams off guard some years, but once they figure him out, he just can’t match them Xs for Os.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he goes.

But if he does it’ll be ‘cause we’re inconsistent one year we’re a playoff team the next we’re horrible.

by chinchillas sword on Sep 29, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...thats all folks.

Sigh… I hate to say it, but a losing season is all but definite. Jaxon, all valid points about Jake, Smitty said it best, I like him as a person but not as a quarter back, and This was BY FAR his best performance this year. Personally I got him slated for 1 more year. Here are my obvious observations, He will have a losing season due to injuries and Jake, the schedule is too hard and there are too many key players down. Jake WILL have a NFL record number of turnovers this year because he will be forced play near perfect games and that is beyond his god given abilities. You have to realize, even at our healthiest, we always BARELY pulled out wins, this is the John Fox way. Our TEs looked good though, ever since game 1 last year, i’ve liked Rosario when he caught that Farve like pass in the back of the endzone for the win. 7-9 or 6-10 at best. The Redskins game looks to be the ugliest game of the season. We’ll getem’ next year.

by ePanther on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup, next year is our year, and then two years after that

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's Fox's formula

Like he’s really going to make it here that long

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

bad Bad BAD

-Bad Coaching
-Bad Playcalling
-Bad Tackling
-Bad Execution
-Bad Ball Handling

Everything about the 2nd half was god awful. Absolutely piss poor. We have a $17,000,000 paper-weight at Defensive End, we have a QB whose arm strength has clearly deteriorated post surgery, we have NO ONE who can tackle that doesn’t have the last name Beason…

I do not know how we can right this ship. We look worse than we did in our 1-15 season… but this time with way more talent! The coaching staff better all have hoarse voices from yelling at the players and lighting a fire under their sorry asses by week 5, or they all need to go. every single one of them. I have never seen a more un-motivated bunch of professional athletes than I did on our sideline tonight.

Pathetic.

by Tater596 on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

i disagree

I disagree…Thomas Davis has come to play every game, and is one of the league leaders in tackles.

Everything else you said, though, is true…absolutely true.

by usana_gaines on Sep 29, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

granted

Our LBs in general were the only bright spot in a piss poor showing.

by Tater596 on Sep 29, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The first half shutout was almost all Beason and Davis… But against a good offense, nobody can keep that up all game.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The Linebackers were outstanding.
Fast, physical and intimidating.. but like you say, no matter how good they are, its impossible to compensate for the rest of the defense thru 4 qtrs.

by paydirt16 on Sep 29, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we just plan on losing every game so we can get a first round pick. ha.

No really. We did play horrible. Beason played well, Thomas Davis played well. The tackles were poor but if we had allowed them ample time to rest in the second half by NOT giving the ball up on every 4th play, they might not have done so bad. I don’t care who it is, humans eventually tire out and their performance begins to suffer due to such. If our offense had executed better in the second half, I think our defense would have maintained a similar image of the 1st half.

That’s my shining drainage pipe (everything else is crap, but at least it’s shiny) from this game. The defense improved drastically before wearing down. As soon as we get this run game thing figured out again, the defense might be able to catch their breath and shine a whole game.

by D-Ranged1 on Sep 29, 2009 2:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Exept the 49ers have the Panthers' 1st round draft pick

So that would be terrifying if management thinks that will work. ;-)

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Fox and jake

I think this is definitely John Fox’s last year in Carolina. Our guys are playing like they don’t believe in him anymore. Regardless of how well he can coach, if the players aren’t in the mood to execute, we’re going to lose. I think the ownership will want to move in another direction and has proven to be a very supportive ownership family. So it shouldn’t be too hard to bring in a Shanahan, Gruden, Cowher, Holmgren or Dungy. Most coaches would give anything to coach a team with this much talent. Fox is still a good coach, but if he’s lost the team, then he has to go.

This is Jake’s last year. In the playoff game and the Iggles game, he had 11 turnovers in 22 possessions. In the last two games, he’s had 4 more turnovers. In all four games, he’s had 3 TDs and 15 turnovers.

It’s time to trade Pep for a young QB and a draft pick or two. Jason Campbell and a 1st rd pick sounds good, but Zorn might be fired before Fox. What about Brian Brohm? He’s a free agent and I heard bad things about him in Green Bay, but it’s worth a workout.

by usana_gaines on Sep 29, 2009 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think firing John Fox will do anything at this point. This is the NFL, you can’t be good every single year. Sure it would be nice to be great in back to back years but it just hasn’t happened for the Panthers for various reasons. I don’t see what Shanahan, Gruden, Cowher, etc. are going to do for this team that John Fox can’t do. Gruden has proven that he is actually not a great coach or judge of talent, just take a look at that Tampa team, and Shanahan didn’t do much w/o John Elway. Nearly every coach succeeds in Pittsburgh because it is one of the best run franchises in the NFL.

The simple fact is the Panthers made two big decisions this offseason, franchising Julius Peppers and resigning Delhomme, both of which have not worked out. Because of that we have no dependable backup and had no salary cap room to sign depth in case of injuries. It hasn’t helped that neither player has stepped up in the slightest fashion and produced.

I heard someone write somewhere on this blog that Delhomme doesn’t have the arm strength for the deep ball and it seems on what I saw last night I agree, but he has always underthrown receivers in hopes they adjust and catch the ball and a quarterback can survive without superior arm strength.

The bottom line is we won’t be getting a young QB and a draft pick or two for Peppers. Other teams have watched him this year and they know he has pretty much done nothing. The Cowgirls ran counters at him all night and they also ran play action bootlegs his way a couple of times as well. He’s not a bad player but teams have neutralized him and with a contract like his and our injuries that’s ruined the defense.

by bengoodfella on Sep 29, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

What Fox can't do?

Look at my Cowher stats below. He made the AFC Championship more consistently than Fox makes the playoffs.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pittsburgh is a quality organization that has had success consistently over the past decade and a half, Bill Cowher is a part of that, but I don’t think he is the answer for everything like every other person in a panic does. Cowher also lost something like 3 AFC Championship Games at home, so it’s not like he is perfect. He could possibly do a better job, but he also hired great coordinators like Dick LeBeau who are probably not going to be available to him this time.

I am not saying Cowher shouldn’t be hired but it is embarrassing after every loss his name comes up. Jesus, have a little faith and some patience. I am not saying Fox shouldn’t be fired AFTER the year and I there is a litany of things I wish he would change, but running around wanting to blow everything up and start over doesn’t seem like a rational solution 3 games into a season. Fox will be here until the end of the year, maybe at that point he will give more ammunition to support him being fired, but I get so tired of having to hear after every loss Panthers fans start listing every coach who is available right now, when simply because you know their name you just assume they would do a better job.

I love to change a bunch of things about John Fox but this season’s failure is not a coaching problem but a personnel problem. Pretty much every coach/GM misses on personnel from time to time, the Panthers just put a lot of eggs in one basket and it is blowing up right now.

I would like to take this chance to call out Charles Godfrey as well. He looked horrible last night with the penalty and the shoddy tackling.

by bengoodfella on Sep 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was happy with this team in 2003 even though we lost the Superbowl

I was happy with them in 2005… even with a NFC Championship loss. But I am not happy with this up and down, make the playoffs every 2 to 3 years. Cowher is not the entire answer, but it must start with the head coach. You have a 12-4 team… then with almost every same starter you lose 8 straight games! That is coaching!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can’t overlook the fact the Panthers played the AFC West and the NFC Central last year, both of which were not very good divisions. The Panthers were a good team but the 12-4 record is a bit misleading since we got to the play the Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Lions, and Packers last year.

I just don’t think this team is as good as we seem to think it is. The defense is soft, the offense can’t throw the ball if they can’t run the ball, and if we get behind there is little to no chance we can come back. It’s just how the team is built.

by bengoodfella on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would make sense, except we are not even competitive now

If we were losing like we did last year to NYG, that would be one thing. But when guys who were competitive against good teams last year, now completely collapse in games, something else is wrong.

These guys might not be better than 0-3, but they are better than how they have played… And doesn’t that have to be the fault of the coaches?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have been competitive in the last two games. Maybe not as competitive as the team was last year, that’s for sure, but this isn’t as good of a team as last year’s team.

Teams are simply getting ahead of the Panthers at a certain point, which they can do because the defense can not force turnovers, double Steve Smith, shut down the running game and then watch the team flounder. It’s a pretty simple game plan teams have figured out…take Steve Smith out of the game, dedicate a safety to stopping the run and watch your team win.

I do agree with the coaching aspect in not adjusting to these situations, but the Panthers don’t have the personnel to adjust. It’s not like Dwayne Jarrett is going to wake up and become a great receiver tomorrow or Moose will get younger. The team hasn’t taken steps to improve the receiving game, so when the Panthers get behind, it’s game over.

by bengoodfella on Sep 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to adjusting by swapping players out

I am referring to a coach queuing in on his team’s weaknesses and another team’s vulnerabilities. When Dallas figured out that Romo was getting pressured too much and we were having trouble stopping the run, they got more creative in their running game… which also relieved Romo. When Fox’s plan doesn’t work, he just keeps doing it regardless.

He has a good formula, but when teams get wise to it he can’t adjust like other coaches can.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

We don’t have a first round pick…. remember, we traded it away for Everette Brown. And the way the Panthers keep playing, there’s a good chance it’ll be a top 5 draft pick that was traded away.

Peppers isn’t playing like he wants to be on the team at all. Signs of his 2007 season are all over the field. The two good things on defense? Beason and Davis. The rest? Who cares.

How long before Fox and Hurney are fired? Who’s going to replace them? Cowher, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Gruden, Dungy?

What happens if Parcells comes in?

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Has anyone thought?

That Peppers is a lot smarter than we think? I mean think about it, he’s getting a million dollars per game. If he gets franchised next year, he’s looking at $20 million guaranteed. That’s $32 million in two years. I say he’s a genius.

If you want to read more of why I think this, check out my blog.

drawonthirddown.blogspot.com

by Satchel9 on Sep 29, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

The reason why Peppers is not as smart as he thinks he is

Because the bad performance this season will not make him any more attractive to other teams. He’s already a salary cap burden, which team would take an overpaid, underachieving DE who wants to play linebacker? If the Cowboys were really on the list of team he wanted to play for, he just lost his chance to showcase his talent against the Cowboys. And this does not make him attractive for us to franchise him again obviously.

by Shockers on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think it is very smart...

Remember, what he is being paid isn’t a “contract” in the traditional sense. He is just being paid for one year, based on what his last contract was worth. He probably already knows where he is going to play next year. Like bengoodfella said, the Panthers put their eggs in one basic. They really thought that if they could not convince Pep to stay that they would be able to get what they wanted for him. Just didn’t work out that way… Does anyone know of any Franchised player that didn’t wind up with a contract the same year, either staying with the team or being signed and traded? Pep only had a few teams he wanted to go to and he was unwilling to add any others just to help the Panthers get some value for him, can’t really blame him for that. I wouldn’t take a job I really didn’t want just to help my old boss…So now he plays one year for close to 18 mil, sign with whatever team he wants for whatever they are willing to pay him next year. I mean, its not like he is hurting for cash…

by DEEZEY on Sep 29, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then if Pepper’s blows out his ACL in week 5 his career’s pretty much over because no-one is going to take a chance on an underperforming DE coming off a season ending injury.

Doesn’t sound very smart to me.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point...

But if a QB who was never very accurate but an amazing athlete can get signed after being in prison for 2 years, some team will take a chance on JP…Plus, why do you think he’s been dogging it? Not saying I agree with tatic, but I think he knew what he was doing.

by DEEZEY on Sep 29, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point about Vick, but let’s face it… Vick is playing for peanuts compared to Peppers and he had to take the deal, because there was nothing else.

Meanwhile, Pep could have been the highest paid defensive player in football, so the fall would be far greater.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's my point...

I really don’t think money is a motivator for Pep, after this season I mean. I’m sure he will play for almost next to nothing in order to play for one of the teams he wants to go to…He ain’t hurt’n for a paycheck anymore…

by DEEZEY on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

And of course

we signed Everette Brown. No way we’re franchising again next year. Therefore, Peppers better start playing better if we wants to leave Carolina… or Carolina will be leaving him.

by Shockers on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

peppers is a genius

I think Peppers knew that last year was the best he was gonna do, and he turned that into almost 17 million. He knew he couldn’t duplicate that as it was his best season ever. Peppers has the skills to get a monster contract after next year, and some team will pay him 8-10 million a year for 3-4 years. he’s not worth 17 million, and he knows that, so he’s taking the money now as we watch him stink it up.

by usana_gaines on Sep 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is...............

I’m neither optimistic nor pessimistic about our team, rather, realistic. After our 0-4 preseason, followed by the Deja Vu of the Eagles opener, I resigned myself to watching the 1st three games with ZERO expectations, and I have not been disappointed. I was able to accept that we might go 0-3 into the bye, and I’m okay with that, AS LONG AS adjustments are made during the bye week. What adjustments? That would be determined by the performance of the 1st three games. Last night was no exception. Here’s where I’m at now…..

Last Night’s Game:
Solid 1st half performance. Chaotic 2nd half. Not sure why the Jekyll\Hyde appearance, but it was painfully onvious. Inconsistency HAS become our hallmark. Only this time time, it didn’t wait a week to appear. It became a tale of 2 halves.

1st Half:
Loved the opening play call to Smith. Sadly, I understand why we didn’t try the deep ball on 2 and 1, opting for the run and the 1st down.
I saw Blitzes. AWESOME!!! When Beason ran over Romo I almost choked on my beverage. I was shocked.
They held Dallas to 0 pts, (granted, a missed field goal), in the 1st half.

2nd Half:
Truly a “WTF?!” moment that lasted for 30 mins of gameplay.
We had it all – Penalties, turnovers, bad playcalling, poor tackling, inaccurate passing, horrible clock management, porous defense, and plenty of 3-and-outs…. Yep. We had it all. On the Monday night stage, our team imploded.
Why did we get away from the run with a 7-0 lead?

So what now?

The Onus is on the Coaching staff and key players to make adjustments and corrections. We have 3 games of film to highlight all our areas in need of improvement. Fix them. Fix them NOW. Forget the lipservice and platitudes. Forget the protectionist attitudes and simple minded explanations. Forget the loyalties. Fix the Coaching staff first. This begins with a harsh admonishment and stern warning from Mr. Richardson to “Get this Fixed Now”.

It’s clear we do not make adjustments. We do not make adjustments at half time to address our opponent’s strengths. We do not make adjustments during the game. We do not make adjustments during the play, prior to the snap. There were obvious blitz’s coming at us last night and instead of changing the play, we ran it anyway and got knocked for a loss. This is a coaching thing. I hope this changes during the bye week. If we do NOT make adjustments to address our myriad shortcomings, we’re in for a ho-hum season, as the fans are forced to lower their expectations and excitement level.

Accuracy – whether tackling, passing, or playcalling. The 1st 3 games looked like Mr. Magoo without his glasses. Someone please find them, clean them up, and put them back on.

More later… but last night was pathetic.

by 12th_Man_Fan on Sep 29, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

It was a tough 3 games to start with

yet we now have an easier three game stretch with ‘Skins, Bucs and Bills. So we could get back to 3-3 if we don’t lose focus

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

12man, we got away from the run because we couldn't run.

Our interior line was over-matched, and our FB was getting our backs killed. You have to run up the gut against a 3-4, and you need a strong FB to do it, and our FB was shoved aside by every defender he went after. Pathetic.

But Jax, you’re right. We’re looking at a very favorable stretch, and we will still hit week 8 at .500. I expect us to have big games against these next three teams.

by r3 on Sep 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to disagree.....

Looking at the stats… and remembering the game…. we did well in the 1st half, although, even then, the playcalling was 2:1 in favor of the passing game over the run game, in spite of solid gains on the ground (Run Plays – + 44 yds on 9 attempts – avg: 4.8 yds p/carry: 3 plays of 0 or negative yards.) Play ratio – 1st half:
1st Posession: 5:2 – Pass:Run
2nd Posession: 2:2 – Pass:Run – Even\Balanced
3rd Posession: 3:4 – Pass:Run – Moving ther ball, ended with an INT. 16 yds in the air, 35 on the ground.
4th Posession: 7:1 – Pass:Run – TD (I undesratnd the ratio given the time, inside the 2 min warning…

Will post more later

by 12th_Man_Fan on Sep 29, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think...

We make the playoffs. I know few will agree but … I have a feeling. IF they have not lost heart. I’m only mad w/Jake about the fumble. (he has to be the easiest QB in the league for a FF) About a third of this team seems to have given up or just play poorly. I used to love Charles Godfrey, now, he gets pushed around like a rag doll. I like Captain but he has to learn to be consistent. Gamble has not impressed in the least and Marshall is hardly better. (Gets beat but at least will hit). I love the LB’s and I feel sorry for them. All 3 played w/fire and did their best. I also love the D-Line. Unfortunately they just don’t have the talent to match the fire. Brayton is slow but plays every down 100%. I hate to say it but JP has bee dissipointing.

I think Moose has lost faith in Jake. I’ve noticed that since game 1. Yeah the throw was a lil short but he could have fought for it and at least defensed the play. The pick 6 hurt but I would normally chalk that up to sometimes mistakes happen. It happened at the worst time possible last night. Rosario (who I like) played well and hungry first half, second half he played like a prima donna. He lacked that hunger to catch the difficult balls as though he’d already done enough in the 1st half.

Once again, Fox got too conservative, too early. D-Will didn’t get the ball enough again. We should live and die by the run. We gotta get fired up! More later.

by rawjem01 on Sep 29, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree too... it still can be done,

but the Panthers weaknesses certainly have been exposed by three Super Bowl caliber opponents in these first three games. My biggest frustration is with the coaching staff. The players are what they are and this coaching staff (particularly on offense) has to do a better job in putting the players in a position to succeed based on their abilities. Putting all speculation aside, the reality of the situation is we are 0-3, but it usually takes 6-7 losses to be eliminated from the postseason. Coming off the bye, the schedule gets a little more forgiving (at least for the next 3 games.) We need to forget about the record and take one game at a time and try to generate some momentum.

by paydirt16 on Sep 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

minus Tampa, have you seen the last 10 games of our schedule?!

Lets be real…we have lost now 8! count them 8! games in a row (including preseason). Now just take a look at the extensive injury report. And you’re right about the coaching, it’s like we get baited untill half time almost every game. The opposition knows that Fox and crew will only make minor adjustments, we need a 1st half game plan and 2nd half game plan. This is my core belief, the John Fox system is PREHISTORIC, too predictable, and he is too stubborn to adapt. The leage has CLEARLY evolved into a pass oriented leage, pass first to open up the running game.

by ePanther on Sep 29, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the schedule?

Last year’s team would not have gone 12-4 with this schedule. This year’s don’t even have a shot! We are going into the bye already 3 games behind the Saints.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I'm very familiar with schedule.....

and the point I’m trying to make is that we’re heading into what appears to be a rare stretch of 3 consecutive games where we’re not playing against Super Bowl caliber teams and there is a good opportunity here to pick up some consecutive wins and gain some momentum.

by paydirt16 on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

3-13 won't get you to the playoffs

Don’t mind me, I’m just bitter today like every other Panther fan today.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

TEs kill us

We suck suck suck against TEs. Just thought I’d throw that out there… it hurts watching us try to cover them. Remember Kris Jenkins running his mouth before he left, all he talked about is our lack of fire. To me that’s been the issue, we are lethargic… its painful to watch Smitty or Beason get fired up and no one respond. That is John Fox’s style and I personally believe it trickles down. It has worked well in allowing him to be good and that’s it just good. Don’t get me wrong though i like Fox and wish he’d correct some things and escalate to greatness instead of just being swapped out but I’m not entirely sure he thinks there is anything wrong to correct.

P.S. Congrats Peppers on biting inside on every play

by daburge on Sep 29, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

The fault is still blocking and tackling.

Let’s face it, this was always gonna be a tough game to win. The Cowboys were at home, a solid 9 point favorite. I’m not excusing anything, just putting it in perspective. I see us winning the next three handily, vs the Skins and Bucs, who are horrible, then the Bills at home after we’re on a 2 game win streak, and have some momentum going our way for a change. From then on, it’s still possible to go 9-7, with a few breaks our way for a change.

OK, enough of that, let me dissect the game as I saw it.

Those calling for Jake to be replaced by Matt Moore (like Scott Fowler this morning) are not placing the blame where it belongs. The 3 sacks he took were on missed blocks by the OL, the last 2 lazy misses by Jeff Otah, the 2nd causing a FF — not Jake’s fault; he can’t block for himself. A 4th he narrowly averted by a quick release when Rosario weakly tried to chip Ware. Rosario is a good receiving TE, but he hurts us with a missed block every game he plays.

The 2 INT’s count vs Jake, but in reality, neither should have occurred. The first may have been underthrown, or into double coverage, but Moose should have easily been able to fight for it (which he didn’t) enough to knock it down. The second — which cost us the game (we were only down by 6, and had just picked up a running FD) was solely Smitty’s fault, and to his credit, he owned up to it. Jake gallantly shared the responsibility, rather than blame his go-to guy, but if Smith makes the timing break he’s supposed to, the worst that happens is an incompletion, and it’s 2nd and 10. Up until that time, this is a game we were going to win, as the Cowboys played a lackluster game, and were waiting for us to take it. (They miss a chip shot FG, and false start at the 1, scoring only 3 when they should have had 7.)

Jake gets blame, yet he had an identical pass record to Romo, both going 22 for 33. If Moose doesn’t make that tiny pushoff, he gets a 76 yd TD — can’t say Jake can’t lead his receiver - that pass was money. Plus the two 28-yarders, back-to-back, to Rosario, were beautifully thrown balls. Jake’s line could well have been 23/34, with 2 TD’s, -0 INT’s. Then Romo’s on the hot seat, along with Wade Philips, and we get out of there with a W.

Once again, we took a 7-0 lead, then couldn’t build on it.

I mentioned the poor blocking by Otah and Rosario — but the ever-present poor tackling kills us every game, surrendering poor field position and giving up YAC and 3rd down conversions that keep our offense off the field. I’m talking about Godfrey, who had an abysmal night, and every other guy in the secondary. It looks to me as if the problem lies in technique, not in position. Time and again, our secondary is in position to make a tackle, yet instead of aggressively going for the ball carrier, we stop in front of him, bracing for the hit HE’S gonna deliver — should be the other way around, shouldn’t it? This means any juke on the runner’s part freezes us in our tarcks. We sure miss Chris Harris, and the hits he used to deliver. Ankle tackles just don’t do the job. Makes you want to yell, OLE!

And speaking of missing somebody, our run game needs Brad Hoover in there — Fiammetta may develop in time, but he can’t cut it right now — any holes that were there for D-Will were solely created by the OL, but Fiammetta was never there, taking out somebody at the second level, which Hoov could always be counted on for.

I won’t beat on Peppers any more — it’s painfully obvious he doesn’t have it. He’s average at best, just taking up space (more ways than one!)

Horrible start to the season, guys, but we’ve got a couple cupcakes coming up, and the ship will be righted after those. The Skins and Bucs will give us a momentum shift.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

the problem is

both the Redskins and Bucs are looking at those games the same way, a way to get back on track by beating a bad opponent.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let 'em look all they want.

We’re vastly superior to either, and will win both handily.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delhomme has to go...

With the start of every game, I have the highest hopes for the Panthers, but the big question mark is Jake. He is inconsistent and you never know which Jake is taking the field.
The 1st half, the offense looked good with Jake taking his time and reading the defense. The first pick was underthrown, and he expected (as always) Moose to cover the pass. Even before the surgery, Jake could not throw the ball deep. He is a limited quarterback, and I believe he does not have the caliber of a starting QB any longer. We are 0-3. It’s not too late to look at some changes at the QB position. I know most of you will disagree that Jake needs to be benched, but how much longer do we continue to rely on a very inconsistent QB that has limited abilities at this point in his career?

Chris196

by Chris196 on Sep 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Why we need Bill Cowher!!!

Consistency! Consistency! Fox makes the post season 38% of his years as head coach of the Panthers. Cowher made the post season 67% of his years as a head coach! AND he made the AFC Championship 40% of those years!

Cowher makes it more consistently to Championships than Fox does the playoffs! And bottom line, you have to consistently make it to the playoffs to have a shot at a Superbowl.

Richardson, it’s time for Cowher!!!

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Let's start a hire Cowher petition

And send it to Jerry

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one has explained Hoover's Injury

and Fiametta is NOT ready to be a fullback in the NFL… Did you all see those Ole blocks?

by docnolz on Sep 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

He's still a rookie

He was meant to understudy all year. If he wasn’t ready we should have been using Jeff King as an FB.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's actually a very good idea

King could lead the RB to the second level (which Hoov always did, and Fiammetta can’t) — plus he’d be a better option as a receiver from that spot than Hoover ever was.

Great idea! Hope they think of it.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

rosario

played some FB in college. Rosario in the backfield as the lead blocker with King and Barnidge on the field in a two TE set gives us many options, but what do I know? We’re 3-0 and I’m going to assume that everything I suggest has already been thought of by someone in the panthers staff.

by usana_gaines on Sep 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

King = good blocker; Rosario not

Put Rosario in the slot, maybe, but he couldn’t handle the lead blocking assignment. Hell, Fiammetta’s considered the best “fullback” in the draft, and you see how lacking he is in the role Hoover excels at.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was worried about that pre-game

This team is playing too sloppy for an NFL team and it falls on the coaching. 6 penalties for 60 yards, 1 for 8 on 3rd down. All just putrid

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say we bundle Fox, Hurney, Jake and Peppers all together on the next flight out of town

Bring in Bill Cowher and that genius (can’t remember his name) that is rumored to be his next GM… And give them whatever they want in free agency and the draft.

I want to see that wide jaw in Panther Blue!

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

No doubt

Cowhers not going to leave garbage laying around.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why they are not able to run the ball...

maybe teams are willing to force Jake to throw. Doesn’t appear to be scaring any defenses with the deep pass. Stop the run and stop the Panthers, Cowboys did it with a mediocre defense. This has probably been stated a number of times. Oh well.

by Davejinxer on Sep 29, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

They didn't stop the run

DeAngelo averaged nearly 6 yards per carry… But he only had 11 carries! Fox just panicked and stopped running. Why would a coach would rely on an INT prone QB, instead of a 5.8 ypc RB… that is your problem

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I saw ST...

they stopped the run up the gut and could have used D-wills speed on the outside. I agree that they relied on Jake too much. The line was stacked with defenders and D-Will has made some nice plays up the gut in the past.

by Davejinxer on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right! They should have got more creative with the run.

But Fox will NEVER be able to get creative, adjust and do something differently… He is what he is.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

exactly. just like the playoff game. Its the play calling on offense that is the problem. RUN THE BALL!

by dudemanhey on Sep 29, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why it's... Cowher time!

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We averaged over 5 YPC still

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

True...

that was due to a couple nice runs by D-Will from the draw if i remember correctly. I don’t recall any big runs in the 2nd half though. Wonder if Hoover being out made that much of a difference…apparently.

by Davejinxer on Sep 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It did

Last year, D-Will, when he made it through the line (good blocks by the OL), he wouldn’t be taken down by the LB after a 10-15 yard gain, as happened last night. Because Hoover was out there, sealing off a LB to set him free to go the distance.

I claimed last year that Hoover was the All-Pro fullback in the NFL — not based on receiving skills (which hardly any of them have any more, or rushing, like Larry Csonka), but on blocking value to his team. One would have to study his part of a run to see what I meant. Last night it was apparent.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, it’s starting to remind me of the season when Kerry Collins led the NFL in interceptions… all we need is for Jake to start drinking and it’s right back to the 1990’s again.

Y’all are saying there are some cupcake opponents coming up… I disagree. This team is so bipolar now I don’t think they could pull it off… can they hang a win on the Bucs? Probably… then again, we thought the Iggles were toast… and the Falcons… and the Cowboys too… and look where we are. 0-3. Why?

Fundamentals. Tackling. Wasn’t it worked on in training camp? Apparently not.
Didn’t we get a new QB coach? Apparently he’s not working.
Jake needs a shrink to get out of his head and just play the stupid game and quit overthinking everything.

He was spreading the ball around the first half… tried Moose… Jarrett, Rosario… Williams and Stewart and it was WORKING! And then Jeff Davidson changed the game plan? Why? Is he stupid? Conservative? Following Fox?

Peppers is on autopilot waiting for his “big payday” next season and no team will pay what he’s looking for because he’s not playing like he’s worth the league minimum let alone his franchise tag.

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm the one who said "cupcakes"

The Skins just lost to the LIONS, FGS! If that’s not a team in disarray, I don’t know what. And the Bucs are pitiful.

Yes, we’ll win those two, and maybe with some mo, we’ll beat Buffalo at home.

The first 3 games we had were never considered “toast” by anyone that I heard or read. We were underdogs in each one.

We’ve got coaching deficiencies, and players who don’t know how to tackle, or often block — but after we’re 3-3, things won’t look so grim.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow bigdavis, you're more optimistic than I am!

Thanks for keeping the faith.

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

3-3 will be the high point of the season

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could be...

…but won’t it temporarily feel better than now?

If you’re getting hit over the head with a 2X4 time and time again, it sure feels good when it stops.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol...I meant to say

3-3 could be the high point of the season. No matter how negative I am today I will still hold out hope we can turn it around up until we are mathematically eliminated.

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by Jaxon on Sep 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The tenor of the posts will change as the week goes on..

…more so now, since we’ve got an extra week to buoy up our spirits.

Remember how sour everyone here was in the immediate aftermath of the Falcons game? Then by Saturday it started to feel more optimistic, and by Sunday night, we got into the score prediction stuff again.

Will we ever learn?

(Not me, Homer Davis — I’ll start the predictions off right now: Panthers 38, Redskins 17.)

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all had high hopes for winning against the Iggles… and look what happened. The Oline forgot they were supposed to stop the other team and couldn’t pick up the blitz.

We were supposed to win against the Falcons… defense was better… offense was better… special teams killed us as it usually does.

We should have won against the Cowboys… and defense was fine in the first half except for the missed tackles… offense was good and Jake was spreading the ball… Jarrett, Rosario, Williams… a good mix and they marched down the field.

Second half and WTF? Back to training camp?

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

We weren't "supposed" to win -- underdogs in both

Only those of us who wanted us to win, and who looked at it optimistically, THOUGHT we’d win. And I was among them.

But that was hope — both (in fact, all) of our first 3 opponents were considered preseason to be superior to the Panthers.

Not making excuses – just putting it in perspective. Despite Kemo and Harris out, we’ve been competitive (starting out with the lead) in all those games — just haven’t sealed the deal.

I ain’t giving up (except on Peppers, who I used to defend — and maybe Godfrey, who needs a little macho in him) — you think the Titans or Dolphins are giving up? You think the Steelers, Cards, or Bills (all 1-2) are?

I know Beason and the boys said we HAD to have this game. But I’ll bet they’re not giving up on the season yet.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you’re right. The Panthers always seem to lose the games they’re supposed to win and win the games they’re supposed to lose.

The skins and bucs are almost sure wins. Hopefully, the bills will be easy too.

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be just the opposite in October

We lost the 3 we were expected to lose — now we’ll win the 3 we’ll be favored in.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then after that?

That logic will let us down again.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably.

Is there logic in my illogic?

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But don't worry

Cowhers strapping on his Panther blue cape as we speak. It’s just taking awhile for him to get it over his chin.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the deep pass isn’t available, use the short pass… run the ball for 6 yards, pass for 5 and it’s first down… rinse, repeat to the goal line then let Williams stuff it in! It’s that easy!

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they tried that formula...

but the running wasn’t working out and many of the short passes were not well thrown or bad routes were ran.

by Davejinxer on Sep 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dwill was making yardage… they should have put in Dwill, Jstew, and goodson…

but… like has been said, Hoover the mover wasn’t in the game and holes weren’t there…

Dallas adjusted in the second half and we did too… ony our adjustments helped Dallas win.

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The worst thing that could happen now is...

Fox and Jake rally everybody for a 9-7 record, barely slip into the playoffs, but get knocked out in the 1st round, yet because of the playoff birth are therefore both back again next year. Meanwhile Cowher is tired of waiting and goes to the Redskins… And we lose our window of opportunity for any kind of consistency.

Ya think I’m a bit negative this morning?

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Cowher wont be going to the Redskins

Like I mentioned earlier. Dan Snyder took his private jet to Denver yesterday on ‘personal business’ care to guess the over/under on number of weeks before Mike Shanahan is named head coach there?

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by James Dator on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no guarantee that Richardson hasn’t already spoken with some experienced coaches and it keeping their chair for them.

by scorpion12 on Sep 29, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delhomme and Romo both had 22 completions on 33 attempts

Once again the main difference is turnovers! Jake had 3! Romo had none. Just like last week, when we need Jake to make a play the most, he gives it to the other team. That’s 4 games in a row now!

I know it’s not only his fault, guys need to follow their routes and hold onto the ball, etc… but Jake is the common denominator. And if guys aren’t on the same page, it’s his job to rally them and make it happen. I’m afraid Jake’s best days are behind us.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He IS the common denominator.

But he shouldn’t be the scapegoat.

He can’t knock down an INT before it occurs, as Moose should’ve done.

He can’t avoid the pick-6 by just running the route he was supposed to, as Smith should’ve done.

He can’t hold the ball when he’s blindsided by a DE who’s been whiffed on a block, which Otah should’ve made.

Tough being a QB in the NFL — you’re the lightning rod for everybody’s mistakes.

I’ve seen Jake throw it right into the hands of a startled defender before — but that wasn’t the case this game. I feel sorry for the guy; he’s taken the mantle of responsibility, even when it’s not his to wear — he deserves a break sometime.

Actually, it boils down to the pick-6. The INT on the pass to Moose wasn’t any more than a punt would’ve produced (and probably better, considering how bad our punt coverage has become!)

We were VERY close to a win this game; let’s not forget that. And that’s despite the missed tackles, the missed blocks, the sacks, the whole lot. We’re still a decent team. We’ve played 3 contenders, and could’ve beaten two of them.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he and a receiver aren't on the same page

Then he is partly responsible. And on both INTs both receivers looked clueless. It’s his job to manage the game and get guys focused.

In 2004 he rallied a bunch of nobodies and had his best year! Now he has an all pro WR, RBs who can catch, TEs who can catch, and a past probowl veteran WR… if you can’t work with that then you have to be held responsible.

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's the COACH's jobs to manage the game and get the guys focused.

If the WR’s wide open, and ran his route correctly, yet the ball’s behind him or underthrown, it’s the QB’s fault. But if the pass is where it’s supposed to be, and the receiver cuts off his route (or drops it) it ain’t.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

my plan

From now on we run the ball all 3 downs, once we get to our 45 we stop punting. Why it works, RBs only need 3.4yrds/carry over 3 plays or 2.5 over 4, so we never stop the drive. Our ST sucks so badly that punting usually ends up badly anyway, Jake can’t be trusted to do his job, so make King the new “blocking” QB and wallah a winning team again. And to insure that we never face another 3rd or 4th and long again any offensive linemen who gives up a false start gets a field goal in his uprights by Kasey.

If you can’t taste the dripping sarcasm you need a serious chill pill.

by bleed_in_blue on Sep 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually after we get passed the 50 if kind of makes sense

Considering they run everything back to the 50 anyways.

Your plan kind of sounds like what we did against Atlanta in 2006. DeAngelo and Foster ran about 95% of the plays, and half of those were DeAngelo in wildcat formation. And it Worked!

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wallah -- there you have it.

I love it.

That plan could work. And our time-consuming drives would eat up so much clock, why, we wouldn’t even need all those defensive subs, as the starters would never get tired.

Wallah.

by bigdavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Bada-Boom....

.. run ’em all from varied wildcat formations (aka Shotgun formation)…..

by 12th_Man_Fan on Sep 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Now my plan

Replace Jake and all receivers with Barnidge, King, Hoover, Fiametta and Stewart. Stack everybody on the line, 2 layers thick. Direct snap to DeAngelo and have him run behind 2 Fullbacks. All game long!

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by southtunnel on Sep 29, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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