Panthers Homers vs. Haters: Peppers Week 2 Review
With all the focus on Panthers DE Julius Peppers and whether he is earning his $M a game salary I decided to do an in-depth look at his impact in the first half of last weeks loss to the Falcons. There were 29 defensive plays in the first half for the Panthers. I've detailed each below with Peppers impact and then provided a Homer vs. Hater type of analysis at the end. I'm not saying I'm going to do this type of drill deep analysis every week but certainly its worth looking at periodically throughout the season.
We already know that Pep only registered two tackles in this game and had no other recordable stat so don't expect much from this analysis that will make you feel better about him.
Play-by-Play Details:
Play #1 - Lining up on the left side - Quick throw to the other side away from Pep
2 - Left - Takes inside move, LB's close up behind him with the RB essentially dodging around him
3 - Left - Contains RB stretch and forces him inside but FB effectively blocks Pep from making a play
4 - Left - FB completely knocks him off his feet on a pass to Gonzo on 1st down
5 - Left - Quick pass as Pep was handled by the RT with no help.
6 - Left - Takes an inside move and rides the RT across the field on a Turner run to the left. Though he gets an arm on Turner he is unable to bring him down as Turner gets
7- Left - Turner runs left side away from Pep
8 - Left - Pep bites on play action for one step, Ryan bootlegs out the right as Pep pursues but Ryan throws the ball before Pep gets close.
9 - Left - On a smoke play to Pep's side, he sees it and jumps to block the throw. He may have tipped it as WR Roddy White drops it
10 - Left - Turner runs to the other side
11 - Left - On the Marshall INT play, Pep takes an inside move and is double teamed and has no impact outside of maybe screening Ryan from seeing Marshall...that's a maybe.
12- Right side - On 3rd down, he is single blocked by Baker and has no effect on the pass play
13 - Right - Run to right side away from Pep
14 - Right - On a pass play, Pep tries an inside spin move but has no effect as Gonzales scores a TD
15 - Pep on sideline
16 - Left - Tries speed move to the outside but pass is delivered quick
17 -20 - Pep on sideline as Everette Brown and Tyler Brayton play DE
21 - Left - This is the play MP called ‘the patty cake' play. Pep takes an inside move as the RT and Pep take turns punching each other in the pads.
22 - Right - D-Lew gets his TFL too quick for Pep to do anything
23 - Right - Run to other side
24 - Left - Pep drops into coverage but the pass goes to the other side
Pep plays all remaining plays of the first half from the left side
25 - Pep takes an inside move and collapses the pocket with the result being a bad pass by Ryan
26 - Run to the other side away from Pep; Pep is blocked by the TE only
27 - On a pass play Pep tries the speed move to the outside edge and arrives a step late
28 - Pep takes an inside move on a run play to Turner; just misses getting Turner
29 - Takes an outside rip and just misses a hit on Ryan as he is again a step late
Statistical Summary:
Play from left side = 19 or 66%; right side 5 plays or 17% and then 5 plays on the sideline 17%
Performance Analysis:
- Number of plays where the play went away from him: 7 or 24 %
- Number of plays where Pep had no effect though he had at least a slight opportunity to do so: 15 or 52%
- Number of decent or good plays with positive results: 2 or 7%
- Number of plays on the sideline: 5 or 17%
Homer Comments:
Is it really reasonable to expect big plays from your best defender every game? Every player has off games and Pep is no exception. Besides, what's not considered by the Haters is the high number of times (24%) the play is designed to minimize Pepper's effect by going away from him. Also, teams have learned quick passes early in the game demoralizes the pass rush as Peppers and his team mates expect the pass to go out early.
Though it's apparent the Panthers are trying different things with him by moving him around they are also not being very creative with their pass rush, which is not Peppers fault. Peppers only gets a few plays a game to make an exceptional play and our expectations for it to occur every game is a standard we set only for Peppers.
Hater Comments:
Where to start? How about the fact the Falcons rarely if ever double-teamed him? In fact on several plays he was rendered meaningless by the FB alone. He also had zero effect going one-on-one with average at best tackles Todd McClure and Sam Baker. Pep and the lovers out there can't complain about the double teams because they no longer exist. I never even saw a RB bother to chip him.
I also take issue with the fact he seems limited in his arsenal of moves and only on a few plays appeared to be trying any power moves to the QB. Too often he appears content playing a containment role rather than a pressure role.
So am I being fair in this assessment Panther fans?
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Excellent analysis, Jaxon
I assume #9 and #25 are the two plays he registered “decent” effort.
I’d imagine that if the same in depth analysis of film work were done for any other DLman, it could hardly have been less effective — he basically went through the motions in this game.
Maybe because it’s MNF, or because he’s reported to be auditioning for Jerry Jones, he’ll dhow more this game — or if he just has ANY pride in his rep at all! We’ll see, won’t we?
HE is making more money than Dwight Freeney. I feel that Julius has more attributes and talent.
The serious question is who would you rather have on that line?
My money would be with Dwight. He hustles every play.
yeah watching MNF i was actually wishing that we had a DE that played like him
and i told myself if peppers played like him, he would have over 25 sacks every year
by carolinabrave89 on Sep 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Pe vs. Flozell Adams should be fun to watch
Maybe Flo will cheap shot him or something and get him riled up
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Lets all calm down!
I sit firmly in the lover camp, and make no apology for that. But, lets not forget the previous week he had 5 tackles a sack and a blocked FG. People have been waiting for one of his (common) low impact games to jump on him since he has the insane contract and this is the first opportunity.
He is just mercurial. Its frustrating to watch when he cos you know what he is capable of. But the game is not about one player. Its a team game. you just have to forget about the size of his contract and judge him as just a player. People seem to assume he IS the pass rush. Its not happening for him, the Panthers have no pressure.
The best way to use him is in a defence that is working well as a unit. He holds up his end of the line, he rarely gets beaten and he shows up every now and again and does something ridiculous. That’s how he plays, how he always has.
He also made those plays last week long after the game was over.
Where was he on Sunday when the game was in the balance? And it is impossible to “forget about his contract.” He signed to it committing to give his all on a game-to-game basis. That is the responsibility of a professional athlete. Unfortunately, he never got that message.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not his fault...
…that the game was over when he made those plays. At least not entirely. He still made them. If the offense showed up last week then they could have been real difference makers.
Pep is eating a ton of cap space. Deal with it. There’s no point worrying about it cos its done now. I really think you have to seperate that side from the football side once the playing starts. He’s just one of 11 players on 1 of 3 phases.
Just checked, he’s putting up similar numbers so far this year to Mario Williams. Anyone ripping on Williams like this? Sure you’re instintive response to this will be to mention cap figures, but like I say, that’s done now.
But it's NOT done.
Every day that cap number takes up our space, we’re unable to get quality players to fill in gaps to better our team. Does that really not matter to you?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
MP, you have to separate the business and the game
It’s done now, we can’t get the money back, Pep isn’t going to give the money back, and to be fair, you would have to be God-like to give the money back. Judge him on the plays he is making (or not) and leave the cap figure out of it.
by Flowing Willow on Sep 28, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
OK.
He’s not making any plays that matter. AND he’s wrecking the rest of our roster.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Pepper's performance
If the rest of the defense was playing up to par it would be easy to critical of Peppers. Right now to single him out is a moot subject, we have a whole defense that is playing sub par and something needs to change quickly. I know everyone is concerned about making it to the playoffs and I would like that myself but to me it is more important to find out what is bothering this whole team. They seem to be a disfunctionable family and no one is working in harmony and I lay that on the coaches. I know they don’t make the plays but they have a job to get the players ready to make the plays and I feel they atr falling down on the job. This includes getting Peppers ready to play but I have a feeling they sort of leave him alone and expect him to do it on his own. I have people that work for me that are evey good at what they do but I still have to keep them focused and prepared to do what I want and they way I want it done. It takes personal involvement with each player on my team. We have the talent (except for injuries) to have a very good team and I just hope they can get it together and soon.
The rest of the defense isn't taking up 20% of our cap space.
And your speculation about “leaving Peppers alone” is irresponsible. To suggest that any NFL coaching staff simply ignores a player and “expects [them] to do it on [their] own” is absurd.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta was getting the ball out pretty quick
I don’t care who you are, when the QB takes 3 steps then throws, you just aren’t going to get much pressure. And with Gonzales now, it makes sense for ATL to do that all day long.
I am concerned about the lack of tackles. I counted about 20 teams that have a DE with more total tackles.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Regarding this...
I haven’t posted a full transcript of the interview with Jon Beason on Friday (seems to be a regular thing on WFNZ) but this is exactly what beast was saying.
He was asked directly if as a defensive leader it was disappointing that Pep wasn’t more of a factor in games 1 and 2 and he said:
Look man, Philly run that west coast offense and the Falcons were using 3 step drops all day. I’m not trying to make excuses… because we have to get more pressure on the QB, but I don’t care who you are you can’t rush a 3 step drop. From what I’ve seen on Dallas they don’t do that too much. I think looks can be deceiving regarding our pass rush, but again, I don’t want to make excuses and we need to get better.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 26, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to hear that
I ha posted earlier that IMO Romo didn’t get rid of the ball as fast as other QB’s — not that his release isn’t quick when he does, just that he doesn’t specialize in 2-3 second dropbacks. Maybe our DL will have time to get to him.
Lol. An excuse is not more valid...
Just because you precede it with “I don’t want to make excuses”. I agree with him about Atlanta, but I still have a feeling that this d-line isn’t going to much pressure any game.
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by southtunnel on Sep 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you...
but it’s not exactly PC for the leader of the defense to say ‘Yeah, they stunk it up’.
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by James Dator on Sep 27, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, very true
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by southtunnel on Sep 27, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a key realization
When a team goes exclusively to 3 step drops you have to play tight coverage because they are going for the short routes only. There is little risk of a big play because there is not enough time. Drop zones make more sense and bump and run at the line CB on WR.
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DLs aren't to be measured by their tackles.
That’s just not how you evaluate them and their impact on the game. If a DL had just 30 tackles on the year, but every one was a sack (or even, hell, half of them), they’d have had an earth-shattering season.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Job Jaxon
This is a good inside look at Peppers’ production. I, like many, would like to see him be a more disruptive force on a regular basis. I guess the big question would be, how much of the 24% are plays intentionally run away from Peppers?
They never ran directly at him
which conventional wisdom says to do against pass rushers. Is Pep that good at stopping the run? Makes me want to review the second half to just to see if they ran at him at all.
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And what about #8?
Should not a rollout to his side give him ample opportunity to make a play?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
in the middle
Right now I set saying Peppers needs to have more games like Philly and less like Atlanta. Off games will happen (look at Delhomme), teams plan directly for you and such, however, off games should not happen against division rivals. If any game a player should be fired up for is a division rivals. That said my real beef is with the coaching staff.
The persistence that Fox/Hurney showed in retaining Peppers and the cap commitment attached to it, should mean they had big plans for him in the “new” defense. The idea behind Meeks’ system (as I understand it from my pc chair) is that he designs his scheme around the player, not their position. If that is the case then Peppers (and every player) should always have the opportunity to make big plays.
Two games into a new system, where many of the starters were out during the pre-season, is showing, and I can accept that. Having an early bye should prove beneficial if they can’t right the ship before then. That’s the hope I holding onto at this point.
But if I was going to point fingers at anyone right now it would be the ST and ST coaches. The defense and offense have both showed good improvement from one week to the next (stats or no stats the defense held Atlanta under 30 points not too many under but under), special teams has bombed two games in a row.
Look at Delhomme?
Being compared to Delhomme in regards to “off games” is REALLY bad.
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by southtunnel on Sep 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Peppers is taking up more than twice as much cap space.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the concerns over the cap and consistency
But jumping to extremes makes for an innacurate argument. Is he making too much? Yes. Is it his fault for taking the money? No. Is he our best linemen? Definitely! Does he need to improve? Ofcourse, but so does almost every other defensive player on this team.
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by southtunnel on Sep 28, 2009 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Alot of it has to do with his stature in the NFL
The only other player on our defense who could be regarded as ‘top 10 at his position’ on our defense is Jon Beason.
Peppers will always be under a microscope because he is hailed as one of the top 5 DL in the league.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
But the ultimate goal is for the team to get better
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by southtunnel on Sep 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line is this team would be worse off without Peppers
Because we don’t have another DE playing at his level. How much salary cap he takes up was a valid argument in the off season, because we could have used that money differently. But at this point it’s totally irrelevant. Implying that he should play better because of his salary, to me just doesn’t make sense.
Everyone, with the exception of maybe Thomas Davis needs to step it up, regardless of their pay.
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by southtunnel on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely the rest of the team need to get better.
I’m not justifying anyone’s play, just justifying why Peppers is under the microscope more often than other players.
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by James Dator on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that's why
Just seems to me like, complaining about your parachute, after you’ve already jumped out of the plane… Now’s not the time. Just do your best to make it work.
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by southtunnel on Sep 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
...WHAT level?
What has he done?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Pep, but...
There is no way a RB, TE or any OL who is not an all pro should be able to stop him alone on any play. I’m not even looking at what he’s making this year, that really isn’t his fault, but that’s another subject…With his talent, skill, size and speed, he should have a direct effect on almost every play if he is not double teamed, and an indirect effect on every play he is on the field. He should be, and in the past has been, someone that OC’s lose sleep over. Which is why ownership was so desperate to keep him. He really could be another LT. I just wish Pep believed that himself.
This is a team sport, but the sucess of the team comes from the efforts of individuals. Especially the efforts of it most talented individuals. If the most talented and important players on the team don’t play to their potential every game, we can not expect the team to be successful.
"I just wish Pep believed that himself."
Who doesn’t? Unfortunately, though, Peppers doesn’t believe he’ll ever be the best, so who can blame him for admitting he won’t even try.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't we mention Everette Brown???
We mortgaged next years 1st round pick on him. When we did that a year ago we got an immediate contributor and starter in Otah. But Brown has been MIA. No sacks and only 1 tackle. At least Pep had one good game… is this guy really going to be able to replace him?
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We don't mention him because he's a rookie.
Tyson Jackson was the #3 overall pick, he’s a starter and has 0 sacks and 2 tackles. Furthermore, it was week 8 before Mario Williams got his first sack his rookie season.
Brown is the least of our concerns, he’s got a big time motor and we saw his potential in the preseason.
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by James Dator on Sep 27, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have to bring this up at some point
Because we are ripping Peppers pretty hard… and if he is not with us next year, then Brown will be the guy!
In other words, criticizing your best pass rusher makes a lot more sense when there is somebody behind him. Currently there is no one!
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by southtunnel on Sep 27, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying...
but it’s a little unfair to Everette Brown to be asking him where his production is as a rookie after two games simply because Peppers could be leaving.
We need to compartmentalize the two situations. Peppers is Peppers, Brown is Brown… will Everette Brown be the next Julius Peppers? Realistically, probably not. I don’t think Brown can be the pass deflecting, kick blocking DE Pep is.
However, if Brown is able to bring it every single game and pressure opposing QBs and end up with 10 sacks a season, I’ll be ecstatic. I don’t think Peppers should get a free ride with no criticism simply because ‘there isn’t anyone as good behind him’. Lord knows we all raked Jake over the coals and we didn’t have a comparable player on the roster.
Brown really will be fine, possibly great. After all, we are talking about a kid who was tied first in the NFL for sacks in the preseason (three in four games).
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Truth be told, though...
DEs in a 3-4 are given far fewer opportunities to make plays than 4-3 guys. That may be balanced, though, by the fact that Jackson is a starter and Brown only sees 15-20 snaps a game, if that.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think 1 tackle every 35 snaps is a bit low?
Even though he’s a rookie? I wonder how his percentages stack up against other rookie DEs.
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by southtunnel on Sep 27, 2009 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you know he's HAD 35 snaps?
We certainly didn’t have much opportunity to rush the passer against Philly.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough about the 3-4
Aaron Maybin has 1 tackle… 1st round 11th pick
Brian Orakpo has 2 tackles… 1st round 13th pick
Robert Ayers has 0 tackles… 1st round 18th pick
All starting in a 4-3. I reaffirm that Brown having one tackle is pretty standard and the least of our problems.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Actually, not quite...
Maybin is backing up Chris Kelsay; no starts so far.
Orakpo is starting, but is also playing LB for the first time in his life.
Ayers is backing up Elvis Dumervil as an LB and is struggling to learn both his new position and the overall defense.
I understand your point and I don’t disagree with it, but those guys are in different situations than Brown, who was kept at end and has his spots picked and chosen such that he has maximum potential to succeed (rushing in the nickel package.) I know he can do it, but he has not looked as good in the real games as he did in the fake games.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
For that 1st round pick
we got Brown and Goodson. Let’s see of the Goodson portion of that deal pays off this season too. Maybe a kick return for TD tomorrow night in JerryWorld!
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