Steve Smith doesn't like Jake Delhomme as a QB ??
by docnolz on Sep 17, 2009 8:08 AM EDT
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Just read this little bit this morning from SI's Fan Nation Truth and Rumors and was taken a little bit aback:
In a segment from the Week One game between Philadelphia and Carolina, during which Panthers receiver Steve Smith was wearing a microphone, a bizarre exchange unfolded between Smith and quarterback Jake Delhomme, who coughed up five turnovers in a 38-10 drubbing. Delhomme, whose confidence clearly is shattered, apologizes to Smith while the duo are sitting on the bench. Says Smith: "I never really liked you as a quarterback. But as a person . . . I love you as a person."
Very interesting. I wonder if there is any context to this and also wonder if this was being recorder by NFL films. Was Smitty trying to motivate Jake? Was he giving a little bit of tough love? Is that Smitty's back handed way of making Jake feel better? Thoughts on this guys? Without turning this into a total bash Jake-fest...
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Update by Jaxon: Darin Gantt feels he was kidding:
For one thing, he also made a crack about Jake's looks immediately before, and is clearly trying to relieve some of the tension that was hanging over the team like a fog.
There's also the simple fact that busting chops is part of the institutional modus operandi for dealing with stress.
But does Smith really like Delhomme as a quarterback? Probably not completely.
Gantt offers a nice analysis:
So if the question is, does Smith hate working with Delhomme because of all the picks, I guess my answer would be "No more than before."
They get along, in part, because they're of like mind. They're both fighters, and that translates whether you're from South Central L.A. or south central La.
But the bottom line on their relationship remains, Smith's probably not going to be happy with any quarterback, so I don't know that this is necessarily evidence of any greater problem.
So Smith was probably kidding in this case but if he is losing faith in Delhomme no one would blame at this point. Let's hope this doesn't manifest itself any further.
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I think Steve WAS kidding.
He knew he was miked up — first thing he says is, “you’re not a handsome guy.”
Of more significance in that video is Jake saying, “I can’t get enough on that damn ball.”
by bigdavis on Sep 17, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BigD are you implying that you think Jake is handsome?
Because I thought he was serious on that one… But don’t worry, your Jake man-crush is safe here.
Jake’s comments were a little telling. I wonder if the Tommy John surgery is effecting him, because he sounded like he was surprised in his own lack of control.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in case you haven't found out
as of 950pm edst, the video has been removed from youtube because of copyright claims by the NFL
by brotherbrown on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is here also...
http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/09000d5d812b18a5/Sound-FX-Steve-Smith-mic-d-up
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHOOOOAAAA! They edited it out!
The original video on nfl.com was here…
http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/09000d5d812ac9c5/Sound-FX-Steve-Smith-mic-d-up
They removed it, edited out Smitty saying he doesn’t like Jake and put it back here…
http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/09000d5d812b18a5/Sound-FX-Steve-Smith-mic-d-up
There must have been some backlash with that one.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah!
You’re right! Who’s going to be the first one to post a conspiracy theory!
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by Revshawn on Sep 17, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They mentioned it on Total Access last night
They played the edited clip, but then everyone talked all about what he said… not sure what difference that makes. But according to them, their are “whispers” in the locker room about Jake. Of course none of them are in the organization, so it holds no merit.
They also broke down Pepper’s making a bunch of plays last week. He had a sack, forced fumble and pass deflection. They seem to think he is going to have a huge day against Atlanta’s o-line!
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by southtunnel on Sep 18, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that...
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by NaGaNole on Sep 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful nag...
Hell hath no fury like Pep in a contract year.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 18, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the video!
I added it as a Fanshot. It is obvious Smitty is trying to make guys laugh to keep them loose and focused. Do you think he also literally wanted DeAngelo to “bomb on him”? Because that’s what he said? Give me a break!
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 8:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea there was video
I can’t view youtube at work… Will have to check out when I get home.
by docnolz on Sep 17, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Transcript from Observer Sports
September 17, 2009
#Panthers’ Smith gives Jake ‘pep talk’
— Receiver Steve Smith wore a microphone for NFL Films during the Eagles game and a "pep talk" he gave quarterback Jake Delhomme caused a bit of an Internet sensation Thursday.
"Hey, I know you feel like crap," Smith said to a slightly stunned-looking Delhomme, who was in the midst of a four-interception day. "I mean you’re not a very handsome guy anyways, but the performer, the quarterback? I never really liked you as a quarterback. But as a person, I love you as a person."
Rest assured Smith’s words came with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
by bigdavis on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith was obviously joking.
Keeping it jovial while the fans at BoA virulently booed Jake.
Smith might start personal drama (sucker punch of 08) but he’s not one to create dischord amongst the team. As much as Jake needs Smitty, he also made Smith and gave him the reputation as a top 5 WR in the league by choosing him as his #1 target and building a repore.
If anything, this is a good sign. Sometimes horrible moments serve to galvanize a team, and if the players are staying loose and Foxy is dropping the hammer we might see some big results.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other way around...
Dont want to get into a whole thing here, but I think Smitty made Jake. By turning 1 yard passes into 10-15 sometimes 20 yard gains. And also by making some insane downfield lame duck passes…Just saying…
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They made each other.
He made Jake look good, and Jake allowed him to showcase that a sub 6ft reciever was viable in the NFL.
Would Peyton Manning be Peyton Manning without Marvin Harrison?
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE
tell me you are not comparing Jake Delhomme to Peyton Manning….I said Smitty took 1 yard passes and gained 10-15 years, on the regular. He has made a career of catching sorry passes from Jake. Please, if you are going to draw a comparison, find another one! Manning is only one of the smartest, if not the smartes QB in the league. One of the most accurate as well. Manning will be successfull with Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez. So yes, I think Peyton would be Peyton without Harrison.
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez Deez : )
Chill. No one in their right minds would compare Jake to Manning, maybe the youngest one though……. He’s saying early in MAnning’s career, he was helped tremendously by having Harrison, much like Smith and Delhomme helped each other. Jake knows he can put it out there and Smith will catch it. Same that Smith knows that having a QB of Jake’s caliber (by this I mean a top 20 QB) helped make him a top five wideout.
by Flowing Willow on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, ok
I took a breath…Still, the thought that Jake makes Smith good is a little too much for me. I’ve seen too many bad passes become great plays to think it’s the quarterback and not the receiver.
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say Delhomme made Smith look good
I said ‘He allowed him to showcase that a sub 6ft reciever was viable in the NFL’.
Before Smitty, no other team in the league would contemplate utilizing a guy of his stature as a #1 reciever, now it is not frowned upon (see DeSean Jackson in Philly). Even when Delhomme took over for Peete the depth chart still had Moose ahead of Smith… it was Jake who chose Smith as ‘his guy’ and allowed him to play to his strengths. There are some things that Smitty does not do well, he’s not the best route runner but for getting seperation, awareness, and YAC ability he’s second to none.
Also, listen to flowing willow… I never compared Jake to Peyton, merely compared the relationship of two quarterbacks with their career #1 targets. For my money, Peyton is VASTLY superior to Jake and Smitty is slightly superior to Marvin Harrison.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying..
that by focusing on Smith, Delhomme was able to show the rest of the league how good he was and that you don’t have to be 6’5 to be a great receiver? Ok , I’ll concede that point. My bad…
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would other QBs throw to Smitty in double or triple coverage?
I think most would not. But Jake gives Smitty the opportunity to make plays even when teams have him locked up.
In this way Jake makes Smitty better.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The skill is there regardless.
That doesn’t make Smith better, just shows that he is good enough to make a ridiculous throw look good. There’s nothing special about being willing to throw into triple coverage, regardless of who you’re wideout is. Maybe just my opinion. I think part of what makes Smith so valuable is the fact that he draws so much attention, somebody else is open…
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not talking about Delhomme's throwing ability...
rather Smitty’s ability to ‘go up and get anything’ which is what has made him famous around the league… he has sportscenter moments almost every week.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
Are you giving Delhomme credit for Smith being able to make amazing plays? If so, I can see that my point will not be understood. Smith is great, would be if he had another QB besides Delhomme. I’ll give you that maybe he would not be given the chance to shine as much. The skill is there no matter whose behind center.
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying simply
That in trusting Smith to be his #1 reciever he allowed Smith the production to make his amazing plays.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More production doesn't make you better?
That doesn’t make sense. I’m saying the trust that Jake has in him was built over time, and would not easily be replaced.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This too...
It’s funny how size can knock a guy down so much.
After all, height and weight is the only reason DeAngelo Willams fell to us while teams took Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney… worked out pretty good for us.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was responding to ST.
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same with Smitty
I’d like to see a list of all the receivers taken ahead of him.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ask and you shall recieve
David Terrell (1, 8)
Koren Robinson (1, 9)
Rod Gardner (1, 15)
Santana Moss (1 ,16)
Freddie Mitchell (1, 25)
Reggie Wayne (1, 30)
Quincy Morgan (2, 2)
Chad Ochocinco (2, 5)
Robert Ferguson (2, 10)
Chris Chambers (2, 21)
Steve Smith (3,12)
I’d say we did pretty good…
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by James The Aussie on Sep 17, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a couple good names on there
But I don’t think a single one of them come close to Smitty.
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by southtunnel on Sep 19, 2009 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Only real stars on that list are Wayne, Ochocinco and Smith.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t Terrell, Moss, Wayne, Ochocinco, Chanbers and Smith the only ones left in the league too?
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by James The Aussie on Sep 19, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you explain 2004 Deezey?
I think that was Jake’s best year statistically, and Steve only played one game. I’ve often wondered if Smitty makes Jake worse.
When he was out last year Jake seemed to do a better job of spreading the ball around. It almost like instead of looking for the open guy, Jake follows Smitty’s route, then if he’s clearly not open he tries to find another guy. If there’s a lot of pressure he doesn’t have time to scan the field, and just tosses it to the one guy he’s been watching… Smitty. Which would explain why most of his INTs Sunday were passes to Smitty.
That’s my theory at least.
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point...
I’ve never really liked Jake, but I do admit that he has been serviceable, with the 2004 season as evidence of that. But your point also supports the argument that Jake makes poor decisions. If he can spread the ball around when Smith is out, he should be able to do it when Smith is in, attracting triple coverage….Unless Smitty has been threatning him…mmmmm…
by DEEZEY on Sep 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt he makes poor decisions
Even many positive plays last year, I remember the announcers mentioning that Jake overlooked the wide-open guy. I don’t know if that’s a lack of trust, lack of vision, or just an itching to make the big play.
But you also have to acknowledge the many crazy wins and 4th quarter comebacks the guy has. We’ve seen it over and over again. I don’t think any other QB on our roster in the past 6 years could have engineered that 2 minute drill he did against Sand Diego last year… and then again against Chicago, Green Bay, New Orleans… that’s only one year!
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome...Steve Smith is a riot...
I feel bad for Jake. Looks like he is in the beginning stages of Mark Wohlers syndrome. Remember the hard throwing Braves relief pitcher that just simply forgot how to pitch?
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by NaGaNole on Sep 17, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DeAngelo and Smitty make for a good 1-2 comedy act
I thought DeAngelo using Smitty’s line on him after Smitty had probably just about lost it, was classic!
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by southtunnel on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember the Bojangles commercial....
Jake hollering, “Show me the Chicken!!” then the door opens and it’s Steve Smith… “You complete Me” is his greeting to Jake.
by docnolz on Sep 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course that was back when Bad Jake wasn't around so much
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