Josh McCown Placed on IR
This just in: According to a source, the Panthers have put backup quarterback Josh McCown and now are looking to sign a quarterback to serve as Jake Delhomme's backup.
McCown suffered knee and foot injuries in Sunday's 38-10 loss to Philadelphia. It appeared he would be back back in a month or less, but the Panthers decided to put him on IR.
Among the possibilities to take his place: Former Eagles' backup A.J. Feeley and Jeff Garcia, recently cut by Oakland.
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You beat me by one minute.
Haha. Good show.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Sep 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
just had a minute when I saw the twitter message come across my screen.
by LittleKing on Sep 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks LittleKing... good find.
I hope we sign Feeley… his name’s popped up in a couple of different places now.
- Delhomme
- Moore
- Feeley
depth chart to carry us through the bye-week. If things are as bad, we can look for a more permanent answer.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, I'd rather have Garcia
I’m real familiar with both of these guys from their days with the Eagles.
Feeley is a serviceable back up but also a turnover machine. I’d much rather see Garcia, he’s just so damn smart, tough and protects the ball. He was amazing for the Eagles in 2006, stepping in at mid season and converting a lost season into a great playoff run where we finally lost to the Saints in the 2nd round.
by paydirt16 on Sep 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Because we have no idea what will become of our pass protection
Out of the guys mentioned, Garcia is the most illusive, and the one who can make plays with his feet. Finding another sack of potatoes who can throw the ball down field, won’t fix any of our problems from Sunday.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why did he lose his job to Brian friggin' Griese?
And why the hell does nobody in the NFL want a thing to do with him?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a job up til a week ago
And he wasn’t cut, he asked to be released. At this late stage you don’t bring in a QB no matter how good he is unless something realy bad happened. And it did for us… Jake happened
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why pay that money?
If we get down to him anyway, the season’s done. Why not just roll with Cantwell on the PS?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are u talking about..
How is the season done??
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's done if Delhomme goes down or we are forced to use a fourth QB to start multiple games.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can always trade
I don’t see why no one has faith in Matt Moore..before they brought in Mclown he was suppose to be the future replacement…I don’t know about being the replacement but I feel like he can something happen if given proper opportunity..
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 He should be the #2 in my view
He’s been here long enough, let’s see what the kid can do if we lose faith in Delhomme. I’m okay with Jake starting against the Falcons but if he sucks again he’s out and demoted. I can ha!ndle ‘inconsistent’ every now and then but ‘downright suck’ every game does not work !
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by Jaxon on Sep 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Moore has never done anything against a team that was actually trying.
And he’s sucked out loud two preseasons in a row.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll grab a QB in FA if Delhomme goes down for good.
You have to remember, John Fox is on the hot seat right now. He’s not going to sit around and say the season is done. He’s going to run out and get a QB in order to try to save his job. Desperate times call for desperate measures in that regard.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Sep 14, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You’ll see us make some ridiculous trade before Hurney and Fox lose their jobs if the wheels come completely off.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Hunter Cantwell?
I mean, promote him from the PS to 3rd behind Moore – get that kid some more reps in practice.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was high on Cantwell in the preseason...
but I think he’s still too green. We need a veteran with game experience.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Cantwell is still pretty green, but there have been examples of other rookies who have not taken NFL snaps doing well. I liked him in preseason, even if he was playing against scrubs.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 14, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're 0-8 then sure start Cantwell
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by Jaxon on Sep 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's 0-8... Heck if its 0-3 then we'll all be saying
How bout them Bobcats!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this season you wont.
What about a CAROLINA HURRICANES!
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Ivan459 on Sep 14, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they'll have a record almost as bad.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 15, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats the point..
we need to bring in legit qb that can push both Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme..possibly make something happen if both of the other qbs are doing shitty
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Quality backups are needed when your QB is out for a few games. But quality starters are needed when your current starter sucks
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not going to happen.
If they were “quality starters,” they wouldn’t be free agents.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Chandler
just tweeted that it looks like they have contacted Feeley’s agent.
by LittleKing on Sep 14, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it...
not a big fan of Garcia. He doesn’t have enough of an arm to stretch the field with Smitty. He also played AMAZINGLY in the preseason, better than Kolb.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHOULDN'T a ninth year vet be able to look good against third- and fourth-string rookies in the preseason?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What alternative would you like then?
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really matter.
If any QB not named Delhomme starts for long stretches, this team might as well play for a high second-round pick.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not looking at Feeley to be the starter... lord no.
But, I like his a a backup.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. He's fine.
He’s exactly what you’d expect a 9th-year third stringer will be. So why spend twice the money (even on a minimum salary deal?)
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with you on this one James...
I watched all of the Eagles preseason games. Kolb faced starters and second teamers while Feeley mostly mopped up against the deep deep reserves. Kolb was outsanding in the Eagles final preseason game against the Jets starters and 2nd teamers, putting up 24 points in one half. I hear what your saying about arm strength but I still like Garcia as a potential starter more than Feeley. Feeley has a tendency to try force passes and lacks the field generalship of Garcia.
by paydirt16 on Sep 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh on both Garcia and Feely
We need to save our money (what little we have) and promote from within our own ranks. Push Moore up to the QB2 and bring Cantwell up from the PS to fill in QB3. A lot people always freak and look to “veteran QB experience” but – in this case, would it really help us?
Past success isn’t always indicative of future success – especially when you put people in systems that do not play to their strengths. Both Feely and Garcia looked good – in west-coast-style offense schemes. That is not what Carolina runs – and it would take an investment in time/effort that we don’t have. If we had of looked in the off-season to address such things, sure. But now that the season has started I don’t think it’s viable.
by boywonderncsu on Sep 14, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What would Garcia cost?
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by Jaxon on Sep 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much money do we still have to pay McClown??
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His $1.7 million salary will be covered by insurance.
The cap hit remains, however.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible theory regarding Garcia
People have been calling for him all day. Well, that’s not happening with the Feeley signing, but why?
I think it’s DRAMA. This about this… Garcia was very vocal about getting cut by Philedelphia, being benched in Tampa Bay and being a backup in Oakland.
Like Jake, or hate him… his teammates LOVE him. That has always been abundantly clear. Bringing in Garcia would be bringing in a guy with a chip on his shoulder who believes he is an NFL starter. If Jake plays poorly, he could be as vocal about it to the media as people are on this blog. The Panthers don’t need that locker room turmoil regardless of his talent.
It makes sense when you see the Eagles were moving forward with McNabb, the Bucs with their future and Oakland with Russell. Maybe it’s inside info that Garcia causes locker room drama and controversy, and they don’t want it.
No fact to this, no basis, just pure conjecture. But it does make sense.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And then there's also the fact that the Eagles and Raiders both felt their guys were BETTER.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia asked to be released from Oakland
They need to build with their rookie QB… has nothing to do with whose better. And the Eagles have McNabb.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s what I was saying yesterday in the game thread.
by LittleKing on Sep 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he didn't ask to be released....
Cmon. It’s the Raiders. Taking their word for anything is like
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Sep 14, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(insert witty saying here)
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Sep 14, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, which rookie?
Last I checked, Russell was a fourth-year veteran who’s never done anything in the NFL. You’re suggesting they picked a QB who was more likely to lose games? Ahh, that makes total sense.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great point
He is not at all a “Fox” guy based on this. But a lot of the drama in Tampa was Gruden’s fault. And I don’t think you bring Garcia here, unless he is the starter. I think he could be successful here as the starter, but as a backup to Jake things would just be chaotic.
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right..
but it sure as hell would’ve put some fire under Jake’s ass to perform well..
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he needs fire
Either he needs his confidence restored by implementing more short plays, or the Tommy John surgery and/or mental meltdowns have ruined him.
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of related
But, Delhomme has thrown 9 INTs in the last 7 quarters
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Sep 14, 2009 6:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
and zero INTs the eleven quarters before those seven.
Stats are really easy to make sound bad.
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Sep 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well who can top it?
We went through our whole Jake comparisons in the off season. Can anyone find a good QB in NFL history to have 11 turnovers in 2 games?
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask and you shall recieve
George Blanda- 1962 Houston Oilers: Weeks 4 and 5- 13 ints… fumbles were not tracked back then.
Hall of fame inductee 1981.
LOL
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you said Good and 11 INT
but I find Tommy Kramer from (MIN): 1980-09-28 vs Det: 5 INT and 1980-10-05 vs Pit : 5 INT with a total of 10.
by LittleKing on Sep 14, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia is the best free agent option
At the least the Panthers need someone to give Jake some healthy competition. Maybe that’s why Jake can not get it together: No one behind him pushing him on the depth chart.
But with our running game and explosive big play receiver, we just need a QB that can get them the ball with out turning it over. The Panthers need to keep the ball in Williams, Stewart, Smith, Moore, and Goodson hands on offense to score points. I feel like Garcia would be the most likely to do be able to that while successfully managing the clock and protecting the ball.
With McCown gone we have an opportunity to get better. Garcia would definitely be an upgrade to McCown and hopefully the Panthers will look into that possibility.
by dudemanhey on Sep 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
David Carr, a former #1 pick, didn’t “push” him? The fact that he came in in ‘03 and didn’t even win the job didn’t “push him?”
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and don't get me started on Goodson.
He’s now fumbled four times in about two games worth of playing time.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I know what you mean MP – when he fumbled I narrowed my eyes menacingly. I’m sure he felt it in Charlotte. What’s that drill where players who fumble in games have to carry a ball around the facility during the week?
Both Goodson and Delhomme should have to do that. Carry a football securely – and if someone knocks it out of their hands, they have to pay them. Hell, Delhomme can afford it now ;)
by boywonderncsu on Sep 15, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodson never gets blindsided.
Entirely different positions with entirely different ball security requirements.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If not Garcia....
Then i say move Moore and Cantwell up the depth chart and draft a QB next season. Doing that, however, seems more like an indication of giving up on this young season.
I’m not ready to do that, but if Jake has a couple of more outings like that then the season could be all but over by the bye week 4.
by dudemanhey on Sep 14, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you see we signed Feeley?
by James The Aussie on Sep 14, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subject to a physical, he'll sign tomorrow
And from what I understand, the Eagles tried to get him to back up McNabb, before they took Garcia.
by bigdavis on Sep 14, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would changing your backups indicate you were giving up on the season?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 14, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must mean ahead of Delhomme
Otherwise that makes no sense
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout them Bobcats?
;)
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by southtunnel on Sep 14, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we signed AI..hes gonna tear it up next year I just wish he did for us
by jay23 on Sep 14, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by "tear it up..."
You mean be a 10 PPG player in 20 minutes a game.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys!
Random subject, the 49ers just lowered their offer to Crabtree by 200k for the first game of the year he missed. I am now their biggest fan.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Sep 14, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well he ain't playing there.
That much is clear. At some point, their offer will fall lower than he can just get next year for a better team.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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