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Panther Spotlight: DT Louis Leonard - Update

Here's what I can dig up on our new DT Louis Leonard from Cleveland. Hopefully one of the Cleveland guys will weigh in shortly and give us the 'skinny' on the big guy.

Games Played/Started:

2007 (4/0); 2008 (16/4)

Career Totals

20 games, 4 starts

Personal Stats:

Height: 6-4   Weight: 325   Age: 25

College: Fresno State

Experience: 3rd season

Update by Jaxon: Apparently Leonard got into an 'issue' with the d-line coach earlier in camp:

The Incident: It happened at the Swan. Whatever happened, Louis Leonard apparently cursed at Cox. As a punishment, Cox told Leonard to run a lap and to not stop running until he told him to. Leonard ran four laps in a row, something you can imagine being exhausting to a big man like that. Leonard seemed to have a cordial attitude about it afterward though, so I don't think we'll see him waived before regular cuts.

more after the jump

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Career Transactions

Originally signed by San Diego as an undrafted rookie free agent on May 4, 2007...Waived by San Diego on Sept. 1, 2007...Signed by San Diego to the practice squad on Sept 2, 2007...Signed by St. Louis to the active roster off the San Diego practice squad on Sept. 12, 2007...Waived by St. Louis on Oct. 6, 2007...Claimed by Cleveland via waivers on Oct. 8, 2007.

2008

Game 1 vs. Dallas 9/7: Played defensive end with 1 tackle...Game 2 vs. Pittsburgh 9/14: Played defensive end...Game 3 at Baltimore 9/21: Played defensive end and tackle with 1 solo tackle...Part of a defensive effort that limited the Ravens to 273 net yards of offense...Game 4 at Cincinnati 9/28: Played defensive end and added 2 tackles and 1 QB pressure...Part of a defensive effort that limited the Bengals to 211 net yards of offense, including only 69 yards rushing, forced 5 turnovers and 3 sacks...Game 5 vs. N.Y. Giants 10/13: Started at right defensive end for injured Shaun Smith (hand)...Made his first NFL start...Game 6 at Washington 10/19: Started at right defensive end for injured Shaun Smith (hand) and added a career-high 3 tackles...Game 7 at Jacksonville 10/26: Started at right defensive end for injured Shaun Smith (hand) with 4 tackles...Part of a defensive effort that limited Jaguars RB Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew to a combined 20 carries for 53 yards (2.7 avg.)...Game 8 vs. Baltimore 11/2: Played defensive end...Game 9 vs. Denver 11/6: Played defensive end...Game 10 at Buffalo 11/17: Played defensive end and was part of a defensive effort that forced four turnovers...Game 11 vs. Houston 11/23: Played defensive end with 2 tackles...Game 12 vs. Indianapolis 11/30: Played defensive end with 2 tackles...Part of a defensive effort that limited the Colts to 215 net yards of offense, including 125 net yards passing, 3 offensive points and forced 3 turnovers...Game 13 at Tennessee 12/7: Played defense end with a career-high 5 tackles, including 3 solo...Game 14 at Philadelphia 12/15: Played defense end with 4 tackles, including 3 solo...Game 15 vs. Cincinnati 12/21: Started at right defensive end for Shaun Smith (calf) with 1 tackle... Game 16 at Pittsburgh 12/28: Played defensive end and had 4 solo tackles in a 6-tackle effort.

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So...did I read that right?

In the 16 games he played in last year with the Browns…
he played DE every time, with NO experience at DT?

by bigdavis on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

DE in a 3-4

isn’t too far from a 4-3 DT. Unless you’re Jason Taylor. (Exceptions prove the rule!)

by r3 on Sep 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

At 325 he's a DT in a 4-3

I thought they still referred to them at DT in a 3-4: front line is DT-NG-DT but maybe some have them DE’s.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

More info

Height: 6-4 Weight: 325 Age: 25
College: Fresno State
Experience: 3rd season

http://www.nfl.com/players/louisleonard/profile?id=LEO693447

by LittleKing on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Check the update I just put up.

He got into a row in TC with a coach. No wonder they got rid of him which means we might not have given up too much.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha!

Conditioning shouldn’t be an issue.

by r3 on Sep 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he was a 3rd teamer

behind Kenyon Coleman and Robaire Smith. I hope we didn’t give up too much. He might be a project.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it

but he has to be a better option than our current options at DT. At least he has some starting experience in the NFL, regardless of with who.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't look like anyone's said it yet, but...

…this this also means we’ll need to trim our roster by two players before the end of today to make room for the new DT.

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, will a DT be among them? Lonnie Harvey maybe?

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's more info:

From the wiki (which already has him listed as a Panther):

Leonard was originally signed by the San Diego Chargers as an undrafted rookie free agent on May 4 2007 and was a member of their practice squad. He was then signed by the St.Louis Rams to their active roster on September 12 but was later waived. He was signed by the Cleveland Browns via waivers on October 8. He played in four games during his rookie season.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

3-4 DT and 4-3 DT are very different animals.

Am I hoping too much that maybe he just wasn’t suited to a 3-4 and that maybe he’ll be an effective fun stopper in a 4-3?

You never know!

If nothing else the ‘4 lap’ story shows he has conditioning, something we sorely need on a D-line looking to get leaner and faster.

Realistically I think we’ll see this trade was for nothing more than a 6th or 7th rounder. Leonard might have been secord or third cut material as it is.

by James Dator on Sep 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

fun stopper=run stopper

but deep down I think I prefer fun stopper.

by James Dator on Sep 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

My hope is it is a conditional 7th round pick, maybe based on playing time or him making the roster. It is good news he is can run laps pretty well but I would like to see him stay at his current weight so the Panthers have some semblance of a run stopper.

If he can’t stop the run, then he will be a fun stopper in my world.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect it may have been a 6th round pick...

…We picked up an extra 6th round pick in 2010 from the Raiders. So maybe we traded that one for Leonard? I’d prefer having traded our own 2010 6th rounder, of course, as I suspect that one won’t be quite as valuable as the Raiders’ pick.

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like trading draft picks but this was a clear need and there didn’t seem to be too much out there at the DT position. A sixth round pick would make me a little upset, of course I have never actually seen this guy play so I am talking out of my butt a little bit. I forgot we had an extra 6th round pick…that could be the pick.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew the Panthers wouldn't give up much

and would go for an unproven player.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was hopeful... then I kept reading.

If this guy was a 3rd teamer for Cleveland why on earth did they trade for him? Why not wait until After final cuts and do something? This front office trades away draft picks as if they grow on trees. Not sure I would take him if he can’t even start for Cleveland.

by docnolz on Sep 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

If it's a 7th or conditional 7th then you're giving up nearly nothing.

Even Captain Munnerlyn is looking to be our 5th DB (provided he makes the team). By trading we can bring Leonard in right away, play him in the 4th preseason game and get a playbook in his hands.

Also don’t need to worry about and kind of contract negotiation because he wasn’t cut.

by James Dator on Sep 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we don't have to worry about him making it all the way through waivers.

Besides, there’s almost certainly a clause in the trade that he actually make the team, otherwise no swapping of picks. I haven’t seen any details, but that’s usually how it goes for bottom-of-the-barrel trades.

by r3 on Sep 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Even if it’s a 6th round pick, it’s no big deal to me if he makes the team and addresses our glaring need for a big DT to fill-in for Kemo. That’s a 6th round pick well-spent if it keeps this season on track. And, it potentially sets us up with some decent depth for next season if he stays on.

Meanwhile, if we bring him in and he doesn’t pan out in the Pittsburgh game, we’ll know to look for another guy after the second set of roster cut downs. And, presumably, if we release him at that point, we’re not out a draft pick at all. Personally, I think it’s a well-executed strategy. By temporarily buying this guy on the “credit” of a conditional pick, we get time to evaluate him and how he might fit into our team. It also doesn’t preclude us from looking for someone else or acting to pick up someone better if they become available.

Wise, wise move yet again by Hurney and Fox,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a Cleveland staff writer's take on him from 9/16/08

Leonard primarily played nose tackle after joining the Browns midway through last season but has played a lot of end in the two regular season games and through training camp. He played in four games last year after landing with the Browns.

He was an undrafted rookie out of Fresno State who was with the Chargers and Rams until the Browns signed him in early October.

“Louis is just waiting his time,” Jackson said. “Louis is a player. He’s been a little banged up with his ankle or whatnot, but Louis is going to help us a lot.”

Leonard was slowed by an ankle injury late in the preseason but has played in both regular season games, recording one tackle. Also getting extra chances, at least in practice, on the defensive line due to Smith’s injury will be Thomas and Ahtyba Rubin, a sixth-round rookie who’s been inactive for the first two games.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8857

by bigdavis on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

If you would’ve told me that the Browns acquired a seventh-rounder for Louis Leonard, I would’ve said, “Really? Strange.”

Leonard isn’t a complete waste of a player. He has some starting experience under his belt, but he’s had several years to be an impact player and he hasn’t amounted to much. I think you’d have a hard time finding a Browns fan that even cared whether he made the team or not (more people would’ve said “bye bye” to him).

I’d have to imagine this is a conditional draft pick. I wish I could give some more analysis on Leonard for you guys, but in summary, he was given some opportunities to play and he never really stood out. He did have the incident with Bryan Cox a week or so ago, but he hasn’t had a history of character issues really.

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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 1, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I should clarify that the first statement in which I mentioned a seventh-rounder was just my assumption of what the pick will be.

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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 1, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis. Just based on what you said and the fact it seemed the Browns could very well have cut him, I could see the pick being a 7th rounder. Anything lower and I will be a little more upset. The Panthers are very needy for DT’s so pretty much anything he can offer at this point will be well received.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

That’s something at the very least. 6’4 325lbs is not too bad. Only 1 inch and 25lbs less than Kemo AND he’s got experience, which is something that we can’t really say for our current DT’s in the middle (with the exception of Lewis). A DT/DE for a 3-4 will definitely serve well as a DT in our 4-3. In the ‘run-stop package’ of our defense, he’ll definitely do as the nose-guard since he’s bigger than Lewis – and hopefully Leonard will command a double team to further help our LBs stay free to make plays.

The 4 consecutive laps he had to run showed that at the very least, he can hold up to a little bit of running.

What it boils down to – (agreeing with bengoodfella here) is that we needed help and we found help. What we had (Hayden & Favorite) was just not going to get the job done. We weren’t going to get a superstar anyways. Our BEST bet was to find someone on waivers who didn’t make the cut. But instead, we maybe traded a conditional 6th or 7th round pick.

He’s certainly not a replacement for Kemo – obviously, but when the boat you’re in is sinking, you plug that hole with what you’ve got. I think everyone could agree that if we didn’t find a serviceable run-stuffer, the defense was going to have a long season ahead of them.

by boywonderncsu on Sep 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the biggest benefit here is the Panthers have realized they aren’t going to replace Kemo with just one guy, so they are looking to get a good rotation going at DT, which will help guys stay fresh in the hopes to help stop the run.

I can’t say I love the situation the Panthers are in but I sort of like a rotation of Lewis, Hayden, Favorite, Leonard, and Irvin at the DT position. The best part is it moves each of those guys down one spot in the rotation, meaning I don’t like Favorite as the 2nd/3rd guy in the rotation but I like him as the 3rd/4th guy.

I am with you, I don’t think this is the big move we all want to happen and it may not have a huge effect but at least we have fresher guys with an upgraded skill set trying to stop the run.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pat Yasinskas' take on our newly acquired "BIG ugly"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/2363/new-dt-leonard-should-fill-void-for-panthers

Good ol’ Pat, from over at ESPN, infered that the panthers didn’t have a superbowl chance without Kemoeatu in its ranks. However, the new acquisition bolsters our chances for a 32nd round draft pick, but still not good enough…I don’t know about that.

Leonard, age 25 325 lbs, got 33 tackles in 4 starts.

Kemo, age 30 345 lbs, got 36 tackles and 1 FF.

Someone with 5 more years of experience and a fulltime starter, only 3 more tackles?

Sidenote, since Leonard is capable of doing laps and has acrued 33 tackles, then he’s pretty fast for a big guy. Great for Meeks’ new system, eh?

My only reservation is this, if he was a third teamer, as a couple folks have said and still accounted for 33 tackles, then he is damn good, but is he an every down player? Would he be better suited for a “Green bay-esgue” style D-line from a couple years ago, with some rotations? Or is he just a solid back up for the next DT we pick up?

P.S. is it possible Leonard could replace Lewis next year, and we have 2 behemoths on the line?

by BSKincaid on Sep 1, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, I don’t know anything really, but I would envision there is going to be some kind of a rotation at the DT position going. I love the idea of trying to stop the run on 1st/2nd down with a rotation of guys and then putting Brayton at DT on passing downs and having Brown/Johnson/Peppers/Taylor on the outside…unless they move Peppers to DT on passing downs, which would be very interesting to me.

by bengoodfella on Sep 1, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said this on the Observer site what do you think?

It makes me think of Jeremy Bridges, when we got him from the Cards,he was a bit of a journeyman and most of us didn’t expect a whole lot. He turned out to be a pretty good addition to the team. (If you don’t count the trouble w/the police. LOL)

So I will breath a cautious sigh of relief and wait to see how he pans out.

by rawjem01 on Sep 1, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

My prediction

This guy is going to be so happy to be out of Cleveland that he is going to play his ass off for the Panthers. He has an opportunity here to establish a milestone in his career, and would be wise to give 150% effort. It could mean the difference between millions of dollars and flippin burgers.

by Tater596 on Sep 1, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol

Our run defense depends on a guy who otherwise would be flipping burgers. At 325lb flipping burgers might not sound too bad

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 1, 2009 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He has to be estatic given he has a real chance to earn the starting spot if he plays well

It didn’t look like he had that in Cleveland

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

DT Lonnie Harvey cut for DT Leonard

The Panthers made room on the roster by waiving undrafted rookie defensive tackle Lonnie Harvey. The team had to make one other move later Tuesday to get to the 75-player limit.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/trade.ap/index.html

by GKB on Sep 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Leonard vs. Kemo

Both are UDFA’s.

Kemo got a lot of playing time in his first two years, Leonard did not. In their first two years, Kemo had 25 tackles and two sacks. Leonard did not play, or did not accumulate stats.

In year three, Kemo played in 14 games, starting 3, and made 27 tackles. In year three, Leonard played in 16 games, starting 4, and made 25 tackles.

Kemo played the NT exclusively in Baltimore, Leonard played both NT and DE in Cleveland.

Kemo has 25 pounds on Leonard, but 20 of those are in his abnormally large head.

Leonard can run 20 yards without snapping his achilles tendon. As a matter of fact, he can run four laps without getting injured.

Kemo is probably better at playing the two-gap NT position, while Leonard is probably more versatile and will line up in both the two-gap and one-gap positions for Meeks.

If Leonard can keep blockers off Beason, this is worth a high draft pick. I bet that the Panthers gave up a conditional that will turn into a 5th round based on playing time.

by Cyberjag on Sep 1, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Correction

Leonard is entering his third year. It was his second year that he started four games and got 25 tackles.

I think this has the potential to be a great find.

by Cyberjag on Sep 1, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, if you're Louis Leonard, how can you not be thrilled?

You’re out of a situation where you were looking at being 3rd string and moving to a situation where you have a legitimate opportunity to be the starter (because right this second, everyone with a ‘DT’ next to their position name has a chance to fill that hole).

If this doesn’t motivate him to work his ass off and really show everything he’s been working for since he’s been in the league, then nothing will. I really hope he comes in here hyped up, and takes command of the starting job.

If he doesn’t… we keep looking.

by r3 on Sep 1, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

And…by nabbing him with a conditional pick, we avoided waiting for him to potentially clear waivers and have a shot at him in Cleveland’s next round of roster cuts. And…if he doesn’t work out, we cut him ourselves and recoup our conditional pick right back. That’s value for value if it works out for both sides.

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know about Leonard's quickness?

It’s great he’s big, but is he quick? If so, then hopefully he can be a disrupter up the middle which we’re not getting now.

by magicman56 on Sep 1, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Found some new stuff while researching Louis Leonard...

September 2, 20007 - Leonard was unable to challenge Brandon McKinney but has equally impressive size (6-foot-4, 330 lbs.) and impressed coaches by staying late after practices to refine his techniques.

August 25, 2008 - Leonard had been having a decent camp until being forced to miss the last two preseason games.

October 16, 2008 - Louis Leonard will get his second straight start at right defensive end. “Leonard came in and he tried hard,” coach Romeo Crennel said. “Louis has some strength; he will flash for you. With more reps he’ll get better as he goes down the line.”

July 30, 2009 - …don’t forget Louis Leonard, a midseason ’07 pickup who played both nose and end in his second year last fall and started four games.

August 20, 2009 - The incident occurred a little more than halfway through practice when Leonard and Cox exchanged heated words during team drills. “Don’t you curse at me,” yelled Cox. Cox then ordered the 325-pound Leonard to start running and not stop until he told him to. Leonard started his lap by walking slowly without his helmet on, and Cox shouted, “I said run, don’t walk!”

Leonard shook his head, put the helmet on and began jogging around the perimeter of the field. After a few laps, one of Leonard’s teammates reminded Cox that Leonard was still running, and the coach snapped, “Good! Let him keep running. I ain’t going to stop him.”

After Leonard’s third time around, Robaire Smith tried to throw him a bottle of water, but Leonard abstained. As he was about to start his fifth, he was called back over by one of the linemen, who must’ve been given the green light by Cox.

But afterward, Leonard was contrite and cooperative with reporters. He laughed when asked if he set the camp record for laps. “Yeah, I probably did, to tell you the truth,” he said. “I’m sure you all were probably counting. I lost count at probably three.” He attributed it to a heated practice, and said the laps helped give him energy to attack the tackling dummies with fervor immediately thereafter.

“Yeah, those laps kind of woke me up,” he said. “I was feeling a little woozy at first, but after those laps I forgot all about it. It’s been a nice camp and I feel really conditioned, so it wasn’t a problem getting through those bags.”

He said he worked on his d-line moves, such as club-rip and cross-face, the whole time. “If I’m going to run a lap, I might as well get better on something,” he said. He also showed the proper respect for Cox.

“He just wants you to work hard, he wants to bring the best out of you,” he said. “That’s all it is. It might get rough sometimes. But he’s a good coach and if you pay attention to him, you’ll learn a lot. I’ve been learning a lot since I’ve been coached by him. I’m glad to have him and I’m glad to be one of his players.”

September 1, 2009 - While this is not a ground-breaking development for the Browns or Panthers in terms of roster shakeup, it clarifies something about the Eric Mangini era in Cleveland. All malcontents will be jetisoned. Late in training camp, Leonard got into a verbal argument with defensive line coach Bryan Cox, and refused to apologize to the team for his actions. Weeks before, the team cut mouthy defensive lineman Shaun Smith, who also refused to man-up and apologize to teammates for his poor behavior. Neither of these guys were dominant. Neither made a tremendous impact with the Browns. While it’s easy to make examples of low-impact players, the Browns also parted ways with tight end Kellen Winslow, Jr. before the season for similar reasons.

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Bryan Cox was an a--hole as a Dolphins LB...

glad to see he hasn’t changed any.

Sounds like Mr. Leonard took the high road on his laps.

by bigdavis on Sep 1, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking too

He’s ragging Leonard for cussing? Like Cox didn’t run his pie hole non-stop when he played.

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by Jaxon on Sep 1, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's different...

…from doing that on the field during game day or to other players. You use language like that with your coaching staff, presumably in disagreement or disgruntlement over something their coaching you on…and it’s not a good thing. Of course, a player-turned-coach like Bryan Cox might cause some of his players to think they can interact with him on that level, because they still him more like the player he once was…rather than a coach.

by NSpicer on Sep 2, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

"...more like the player he once was..."

Remember the flak he caught when he double-fingered the fans? Guy was an intense player, but a jerk.

by bigdavis on Sep 2, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Video interview with Leonard

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/welcome-to-charlotte/9c18e5b1-4f4e-4943-bb9d-d3fbcedbcd28

He shows intelligence, and he articulates the subtleties of the NT position, vs what he played, and how he played it, in a 3-4.

I think he’ll do well here.

by bigdavis on Sep 2, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Size,athleticism,experience and youth

these are great things to have in a player…

JAKE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR CAROLINA FOR THE NEXT 2 OR THREE YEARS GET OVER IT!!! AND JULIUS PEPPERS IS THE BEST DE IN THE NFL 100% EFFORT OR NOT!!! PERIOD! WE CANT DO ANY BETTER SO SHUT THE F#@K UP

by Steve785 on Sep 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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