Observations From My First Ever Panthers TC Visit on 8/5/09
1. WR Dwayne Jarrett extremely disappointed me. While he MAY have improved as a professional in terms of his preparation, he lacks in his speed, quickness and perceived confidence. As a professional Sports Performance Specialist, I have worked with many athletes, both academic and professional.
A) He seems to have NOT worked on his speed at all in the off-season. Jarrett CONSISTENTLY lined up and had a false step coming off the line-of-scrimmage. This is one of the most basic and fundamental things even a high school coach should be able to focus on and improve. He was slow in and out of his cuts. B) I did not see any "fight" for the ball. For example, there was a play in which McCown was pressured and needed to get rid of he ball quick, and Jarrett again slow in his route and cut, THEN did not fight for the ball as it was intercepted and returned for a TD. Practice like you play. C) He also did not show ANY confidence, as he hung his head, barely hustled, and rarely talked to anyone. D) WR Marcus Monk, 6'4" 212lbs, is virtually the same build as Jarrett, 6'4" 219lbs, but Monk is much quicker and more aggressive. Monk, a 7th round draft pick in 2008, overall impressed me much more than Jarrett, a 2nd round pick in 2007. I hope he had just a bad day, but I did go to both morning and afternoon practices', and neither were impressive. I do think he has talent and can be a factor in this league, hopefully it is this season with the Carolina Panthers.
2. Smitty looks great, of course. He "plucked" several passes with his aforementioned grip strength right before a safety was about to lay him out.
3. DeAngelo and Stew are noticeably different from other RB's. They both have trees for legs. If any of you get reasonably close to them while they stand next to the other RB's, you will be able to tell what I am talking about.
4. While on RB's, Lee is absolutely fast. However, my questions with him still remain: A) Can he run behind his pads with any power? B) Can he pick up the blitz? C) Can he read defenses before the snap? D) Can he run away from NFL starters? (when I saw him, he was going against many players that will not be in the league next month)
5. Larry Beavers is DEFINITELY fast. I do however, question his hands. The special teams coach yelled at him for dropping a punt.
6. WR Jason Carter lived up to the hype for me. He has great hands, consistently catching the ball away from his body and then making a quick move to gain extra yardage. I did not see breakaway, Smitty, speed, but he very quick.
7. It is much easier to evaluate the skill positions over the big uglies b/c of lack of contact.
8. Everette Brown did look good in the limited action I was able to see him in. He lined up at RDE and used a quick and powerful move to get pressure on the QB. Brown used his quick first step with a wide berth. Then he powerfully engaged the LT (Pat Brown I think) with a push/pull move and successfully "tossed" him aside. He then proceeded to burst to the QB in a situation which he was lucky he wore a RED jersey.
9. DL I saw: 1st team - Brayton, D-Lew, Favorite, Peppers 2nd team - Johnson, Irvin, Harvey, Brown
10. Otah is still the young guy of the OL. After practice, Jake got on a golf cart followed by the OL. Otah was one of the first to hop-on, if you can really call it that, only to have Gross put him in his place and have him take a walk while Jake, Gross, Wharton, and an assistant drove off.
11. Dan Conner looks good and fully recovered. Thank God for that, with the absence of Beason.
12. I almost past out from holding my breath when Thomas Davis fell to the field holding his knee during a coverage drill. With the possibility of Beason and TD missing time along with Kemo, and our D would have become quite average very quickly.
I had a few other observations, but I did not take any notes and had to write this on memory alone. I hope you enjoy and have learned something. Do you have any thoughts or questions?
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I really hope Jarret pulls it together
Little to no speed I expect, but aggressively going for the ball, if he doesn’t have that, he’s out of here next year. Good to hear that Carter is impressing just like last year, also, did you go to the scrimmage game that they had? Did anyone?
In the wed morning practice they had a little “scrimmage” with some pad popping, but no tackling. In the afternoon practice they wore their shell pads (a thin foam pad over the chest and shoulders), so there was no contact.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 9, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Fox/Hurney seem really good at picking other positions
So why do they always flop when it comes WR???
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Aug 10, 2009 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strikes me other teams have picked much higher and done much worse than Colbert and Carter.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither panned out
How can you do worse than that?
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Not quite.
The two combined for 2400 yards and 15 TDs over 51 starts. Colbert’s ’04 season (754-5), as well, stands as one of the better seasons from a rookie wideout in NFL history. His play also helped boost Moose to his ridiculous season that year.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 15, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't think only one solid season
Fits in the not panning out category?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Very nice post Will
the comments about Jarrett are disappointing but at least we have a couple guys behind him (maybe not for long) that look like they can play, Carter being the main one.
I think Brown is going to be good this year in spite of his old coaches comments.
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What comments?
I have been on the go since leaving Spartanburg and have not been able to keep up with much sports, let alone Panthers, news.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably the first part of your post, the part about Jarrett.
by Strickland843 on Aug 9, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about the comments about "Brown" and his "old coach".
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 9, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
AH
That makes more sense. I was focused on Jarrett, I remember being excited when he was drafted, now not so much.
by Strickland843 on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to link to it again in a later post but here it is:
Bowden: Brown should have stayed in school | The Herald – Rock Hill, SC
"I watched a lot of film on Peter when he was in college, and had a lot of one-on-one interaction with him," Brown said. "One of the things he told me which is very true today, a lot of the things I could do at Florida State and get away with and get sacks, that I can get away with in college. He told me that going to the next level there are more technical things you have to do. He said that once I get there I’d find that out, and I have. Some of the things I did in college stick with me and they work, but some of them I had to tweak a little bit to make it work. "He said that to me my redshirt freshman year, and then it went off in my head as soon as I got to minicamp and OTAs this year."
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here's the link
http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/1525087.html
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The text I provided above...
is something i had already clipped but it obviously is not pertinent to the immediate discussion.
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I just read the article
I agree with everything Bowden said and I also agree with you that Brown “is going to be good this year.” I think Brown would have been more well rounded had he stayed another year, but i am glad he didn’t stay and that he is a Panther.
I meet him a at conference for Christian athletes and he is a quality young man. I also think he will continue to develop. I like the Boulware comparison as well, although he maybe 1-2 inches shorter. I never agreed fully with the Freeney comparison. Freeney is one of the fastest DE in the league and we will have to wait and see how Brown fares in that area.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 10, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What guys behind him
Do we have any reason to think Robinson, Carter or the Beav could really be #2 receivers? My impression of Jarrett is that he’s just lazy. I think he will come on in real games. But if he doesn’t I think we will have to go to the draft again.
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by southtunnel on Aug 10, 2009 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We are not asking Jarrett to be the #2 either, at least not yet.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 11, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We "are" asking him to be the #2
He’s just been a numb skull about it. Had he worked his tail off as a rookie, I bet he’d have been the #2 last year.
Which makes me wonder… if he does step in as the #2, might Moose still stick around for a couple years… like a Ricky Proehl-type third option?
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Moose is the unquestioned #2 this year.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 11, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that?
Not saying I disagree. But I have heard some compelling arguments that if Jarrett comes on strong, he could supplant Moose at some point this season. I love Moose, but don’t we want and NEED Jarrett to replace him? If Jarrett starts with a healthy Smith and Moose suited up, then that is a VERY good sign.
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by southtunnel on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it happen, sure. I just do not see it, especially after what I saw at last wed practices.
I would LOVE for Jarrett to step up and push or even win the #2 spot. That would give us a solid guy who is young at the WR position. Smitty isn’t getting any younger himself.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Your right… Moose is the unquestioned #2, but he shouldnt be.
Jarrett NEEDS to come on strong SOON. He NEEDS to be the #2 next year.
Moose is awesome, and I love the guy… but the Panthers need to make the Jarrett/Moose transition during this season, with Moose being #3 next.
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 12, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you copy my comment above?
I had to re-read mine to make sure it wasn’t word for word. lol
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missed the plagerism...
but I think its def safe to say we agree completely here.
If I did piggyback your thoughts, it just must mean your more intelligent than I… or just faster to the keyboard! haha
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am.
He’s a better route runner, has better hands, and had the confidence of his QB.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Better hands
Jarrett is known for his hands… even Smitty mentioned this. Drops have been Muhammad’s achilles’ heel, especially early in his career and in Chicago.
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And yet he only finished 10/19 last year on his targets.
That’s 52%. Muhammad was 65/108 (60%.) Getting to the balls you’re thrown ins the #1 job of a WR. Jarrett has not been very good at that thus far in his career.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 15, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You almost have to look at the situation
If it hits your hands it’s a drop, it doesn’t specify where it has to hit. If it goes off the tips of your fingers it’s a drop. Also, you’re listing targets, what if the targets were bad throws by the QB, uncatchable, that’s not the wideouts fault. What if you were hit before you had a chance to snare it and the ref didn’t call it? I remember at least two of those happened to Jarret, one in the endzone vs Arizona.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Everybody is evaluated by the same statisticians.
Yes, there will be anomalies, but everybody’s on the same playing field, so they should be equally penalized.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the point on numerous levels
Not being able to get the ball is different from dropping it.
Moose has had problems dropping the ball at times, but he has been able to overcome it enough to still have a very career. What has been his weakness at times is said to be Jarrett’s strength. That’s not implying Jarrett is or will be better than Moose… just that he looks promising this year.
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By the time Jarrett is a better player...
It will be more than time for Muhammad to retire.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Here some more observations I remembered.
13. The previously mentioned INT, where Jarrett gave up on the play, was made by Quentin Teal. He was looking very capable in coverage in both practices’. He actually jumped another pass and returned it for another TD. That was 2 INT’s for TD’d in 2 practices’.
14. Kenny Moore was making some nice plays. He runs good, maybe great routes and has good hands, catching the ball away from his body. He also showed some good body control. One play in particular, he ran a double move and completely sold it then was wide open for a TD. It was against a back up, so take that into consideration.
15. Barnidge looks good too. I believe the talk about him working on his blocking. In a blocking drill against LB’s he showed good feet, a solid base, and the strength to hold up AND finish a block. He also looked good in route running and catching the ball. With that said, King is still the #1 b/c he is the superior blocker.
Will Parker
Last year, we ran a lot of 2 TE's sets...
…most times resulting in both King and Rosario staying home to block.
I’m hoping to see Barnidge instead of Rosario in those situations this year, with the better receiver, Barnidge, peeling off his block to find an open zone for a catch. He has far superior pass catching skills from his days at Louisville.
RE: #15
Barnidge has actually been getting a lot of run with the starters of late.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Why so much hate on Jarrett? I would hold my head down and not be very motivated too if my coach constantly jerked me around, not dressing me for games, & not giving me a chance to do anything. With Delhommes tunnel vision and horrible decision making everyone knows the other receivers aside from Smith & Moose are not going to get the ball thrown to them(its funny how when Moore was playing in December in 2007 he was hitting every open target). The same can be said for Rosario in regards to open receivers not getting the ball. He made the winning catch against SD but as soon as #89 came back, it was all over for anyone else trying to catch the ball.
Some counterpoints, but not counter-arguments...
I think Jarrett wasn’t so much “jerked around”…“not dressed for games”…and “never given a chance”…by his coach. It’s pretty well-documented that he didn’t perform well in training camp or preseason when he was first brought in. It was evident that he didn’t know his playbook, wasn’t running routes well, and generally wasn’t displaying the demeanor of someone they expected to compete for a starting job. Thus, we find ourselves at this crossroads. He’s not the first player (even at his position or school) to display incredible athleticism and get really good numbers in college…and then totally fade away when he reaches the pros. Blaming that on the coaches rather than the player is inappropriate in my view.
Regarding Delhomme’s “tunnel vision”…I don’t think it’s that as much as he looks for his “go to guys”…and for a LONG time now, the ONLY go-to guy he’s had as a receiver is Steve Smith. And, sometimes, even if he does have another open receiver, I think he trusts Steve a lot more when he HAS to make a play. That’s because Steve Smith is a much better playmaker than anyone else in the receiving corps. That’s not because the other guys were “held back” by the coaches. It’s because Steve has superior athleticism and far superior discipline in preparing himself to play.
Lastly, with respect to Rosario…the guy was triple-covered in the back of the endzone in the San Diego game. Delhomme threw the ball in there anyway. And, if we’re all being honest, the Panthers were incredibly lucky to come out of there with the win. If we run that play 9 more times, the Chargers probably stop us all 9 times compared that one time it just happened to go our way. Rosario “disappeared” after that game for a variety of reasons. Game plans change every week. Against the Chargers, we were without Steve Smith, so other guys had to step up. Rosario was the beneficiary of the game plan that week. Later in the season, we didn’t run as many plays to the TE…and when we did, they didn’t always have Rosario on the field as opposed to King. The running game went bonkers, thus our number of overall passing plays went down. Smith still took up the highest percentage of them, but not just because Jake has “tunnel vision” for him…rather, because you want to put the ball in the hands of your best playmaker. That’s Smith, not Rosario. So, it’s a philosophical thing and as much a measure of what the coaches consciously choose to highlight when they gameplan for particular opponents.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
Just to piggyback on your first point...
If a guy’s going to hold his head down and not be motivated because he faces some adversity, legitimate or not, then maybe he doen’t need to be a professional football player.
But I will say this, having recently re-watched a couple of games from last season when Jarrett played. He is a physical presence on the field, and his blocking is very, very good. If he can get his head right, and I hope he has, then he’s going to be a great part of this offense. Having Smith, Moose and Jarrett, I’d say we’ve got the best blocking receiving corps in the league; and with the three of them lined up wide, teams have to put three cornerbacks opposite them. We’ll be able to run against that all day.
by r3 on Aug 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly...
…I think the best thing to happen to Jarrett is Muhsin Muhammad. I’m sure Moose had something to do with that improved blocking you noticed out of Jarrett. I think if there’s a big difference in Jarrett this year, a lot of it will come from learning better work habits from veterans like Muhammad anyway. Smith…not so much. He’s more inclined to call out Jarrett for not working hard enough. But maybe it’s a bad-cop, good-cop routine they can apply to Jarrett. ;-)
—Neil
In addition about Rosario vs. SD...
The Chargers are notoriously terrible about covering TEs. It made total sense we would exploit that.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Those were my observations from that day of practices. I told it the way I saw it.
Is there a specific point from my observations that you would not agree with?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a point of disagreement.
Is “plucked” really the right word for Smitty catching balls in traffic? I think “snagged” is much better.
You pluck a flower. But you snag a ball.
by r3 on Aug 10, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, a woman "snags" her hose -- can't use that one, either...
…and you “receive” a letter, so that’s out.
…can’t even be “catch” — one catches a cold.
…“clutch”? — nah, that’s something I used to let out, back in the day.
…“hang onto” smacks of life preservers.
Anybody else miss the Magnificent Parser (MP)? He’d be able to straighten this out for us.
If you saw him, I think you would understand.
Smitty would wait for the last minute to break his stride as his hands would explode to the ball. Then, just as quick, bring the back into his body.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 10, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you're making me jealous here! : (
I wasn’t there, I can’t agree or disagree with what you say. But I hope to God that Jarret screw his head on right. There was something in another thread about oppurtunity when a vet goes down for the younger players, well neswflash D.J., this is it. Step up now or never.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 11, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats a key thing you are pointing out
similar to if a WR turns for the ball too soon. It gives the CB more time to make a play. If a WR sticks his hands out too early it gives the DB something to target. By waiting until the last second Smitty decreases the chance of the ball getting batted away. Its the little things like that that make him the PB WR he is.
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It's tough to not get "jerked around..."
If you’re not showing the kind of dedication to knowing your playbook, conditioning, and film study to encourage them to put you out there. Hell, you complain about Delhomme’s “tunnel vision,” yet Jarrett barely caught half of the passes thrown to him. As for Moore “hitting every open target,” his targets to Smith are very similar to Delhomme’s (you do that when your #1 WR is, you know, one of the best in the NFL, but hey…\/)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
MP, haven't you been to a TC practice? Do you have any observations or thoughts on who is looking good or not?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not much for spending time on full posts at this point...
But I noted that the new coaches were very high-energy, teaching-oriented guys. Meeks was tearing up Dan Connor at one point when he wasn’t doing what he wanted on a draw play. He was also very hands-on with the CBs at one point later in practice.
It’s been said other places, but I was very impressed with the UFA LBs. Leman, in particular, was making some nice plays.
I liked what our DTs were doing in the pass-rush drills against the O-line. Favorite showed me a bit more burst than I expected, and Brayton looked great as well. I’ll also note that I saw Peppers actually use a pass-rush move (a nice spin that got him by Gross iwth no trouble at all) for the first time I can remember.
Beavers and Cherry are tiny. I really don’t know if I want either taking the kind of hits a returner takes on a regular basis.
Hunter Cantwell looks the part. I don’t know what to say about when games start and live bullets start flying, but he’s got great size and a rocket arm. I think Cantwell to the PS and cutting Moore would be a great way to free up a roster spot.
Fiammetta was working very hard on special teams. Even if he’s not going to get many reps on offense, he’ll have an impact if he makes the team (although, as some have suspected, I could also see him getting a Shelton-esque injury and hitting IR.
Goodson looked better and more solid between the tackles than I expected.
Jarrett’s focus was very inconsistent. Just dropped too many easy passes on route-running drills.
CJ Wilson did not at all look out of place covering on the outside when the defense was in nickel. I’ve liked him since we drafted him, so I’m glad he’s a project that looks like it’s working towards panning out.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get the Matt Moore love
I like Moore alot. I think he will have a future in this league. I just don’t think that future is now.
What I’m most curious about is why you think Moore should start based on the 2007 year. He led us to 26 points in two games against teams who were actually trying. We scored 31 against the Bucs in the season finale but both teams were playing for nothing and it isn’t like Moore lit up the world there either (174 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT).
Your quote:
“With Delhommes tunnel vision and horrible decision making everyone knows the other receivers aside from Smith & Moose are not going to get the ball thrown to them(its funny how when Moore was playing in December in 2007 he was hitting every open target).”.
Well, Moore’s completion % that year ranks below Delhomme’s career average…..so I really don’t know what to say.
Well, obviously...
The same receivers that were playing for Delhomme just are getting open more often.
Also, it’s probably worth noting that Seattle wasn’t really trying either. They didn’t rest 80% of their starters like TB did, but their playoff seed had been clinched, so they weren’t playing for anything themselves.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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