Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Newcastle Battle Injury Woes Ahead of Tottenham

Roster Trim Down #1 - Who Do You Cut?


The first roster trim down from 80 players to 75 has to occur by this Tuesday (9/1). At this point, I think we've all probably picked out a guy here or there that we think the Panthers will cut. Or maybe there's someone who's managed to catch our eye that we're hoping sticks. Regardless, this first round of cuts usually focuses on releasing players the coaching staff expects to not only eliminate from their final roster, but more specifically, guys they no longer need to evaluate any further and which they believe will no longer help them prepare the rest of the team to get ready for the season.

 

In other words, there are some players the coaches expect NOT to make the final roster, but they choose to keep them around because they need the extra bodies in training camp to help run the second and third units while practicing. They also keep guys they want to further evaluate for possible inclusion on the practice squad. And finally, coaches sometimes keep a few guys around they know won't make the team, but still give them this extra preseason game and training camp experience to further showcase their talents for scouts from other teams in the event they can still pursue their NFL careers elsewhere.

 

So, given all that, what 5 players do you expect the Panthers to jettison before Tuesday? Here's my take, after the cut:

Star-divide

 

Here's a partial list of guys who were healthy, but didn't play at all in Saturday's game vs. the Ravens. They also look look expendable due to other players distinguishing themselves at the same position:

 

C Keith Gray

DT Lorenzo Williams

OT Gerald Cadogan

QB Hunter Cantwell

TE Andrew Davie

WR Marcus Monk

WR Larry Beavers

 

Now, I think we keep Hunter Cantwell into next week to further evaluate him for the practice squad. Same goes for Gerald Cadogan. Both have value, and though it might be difficult to sneak them onto the practice squad, it's worth the attempt even if we can't find room for them on the active roster.

 

The other guys don't have that luxury. Andrew Davie is playing behind Jeff King, Dante Rosario, and Gary Barnidge. We're already trying to figure out if we'll keep 3 TEs. So forget about a 4th. Davie probably goes unless they just want to keep him around as an extra body in training camp to spell guys during practice.

 

Meanwhile, WRs Larry Beavers and Marcus Monk are way down the depth chart at their positions. Beavers had a shot as a possible return man. He's a rookie that we could target for the practice squad, too, but it's probably wiser to let him go now, because we're going to be using reps in training camp and this last preseason game to settle on Mike Goodson, Ryne Robinson, Kenny Moore, or Captain Munnerlyn for that role. So best to part ways now. And, if Beavers is still available when we settle our final roster, we can offer him a spot on the practice squad then.

 

Lastly, among the big guys, we have DT Lorenzo Williams and C Keith Gray who have become expendable. Our duties at the C position are most likely taken up by Ryan Kalil and MacKenzy Bernadeau anyway. And even Jeff King is available to serve as an emergency C if we need him. Whereas, Lorenzo Williams is also at the bottom of the depth chart behind a lot of other "sub-par" DTs right now, whose backup capabilities we keep questioning, much less imagining them as starters. So Williams is likely gone in this first cut. Another DT will possibly follow as soon as we can bring in a veteran replacement via trade or pick up someone waived by another team.

 

That means, I think one possible grouping of 5 players to cut could include: Larry Beavers, Andrew Davie, Keith Gray, Marcus Monk, and Lorenzo Williams. But that's 4 offensive players and only 1 defensive player. Maybe that makes sense. After all, we're pretty set on offense and we know who we're going to use. But defense is still a big question mark and the coaches might want more time with all of those players before deciding the final roster. But, just because these guys didn't play in last night's game against the Ravens, doesn't mean they'll be the first ones to go. After all, it's entirely possible some players who DID see time against the Ravens performed poorly enough that it'll sway the coaches against keeping them. Here's a couple of players I saw who might fall into that category:

 

LB Kelvin Smith

LB Landon Johnson

WR Ryne Robinson

 

Kelvin Smith is the LB who was supposed to have containment on that 48-yard run in the 4th quarter that allowed the Ravens to run out the clock. He got completely lost behind the D-lineman in front of him and was out of position to make a play as the Baltimore RB went right past him and into the secondary down the sideline. He's also playing at a position where we're super-loaded right now. And, if there's any second- or third-string LB the coaches want to further evaluate, I think it'll be Jeremy Leman before Kelvin Smith.

 

Also, Leman has distinguished himself so much in practice and the preseason games that he may even pose a challenge now to unseating Landon Johnson. Some early pre-game reports had Landon Johnson sitting this game out (because he didn't practice), but I'm fairly certain I saw him in the game. And he whiffed badly while trying to tackle a RB who caught a dump-off pass over the middle. Landon Johnson has also had a lot of time to add value for the Panthers and he's never lived up to the success he had at Cincinnati. It might be worth cutting him in favor of someone like Leman.

 

Lastly, we come to Ryne Robinson. He's quickly become expendable because of Mike Goodson's ability to handle kickoffs. Goodson seems to have better breakaway speed and he's one of those rare game-breaking types of players. We haven't had that on special teams in awhile now. In addition, Captain Munnerlyn flashed some serious skill at being a PR guy. He also has more speed, but both he and Goodson need to work on ball security. We also used Kenny Moore last night for PR duty. He never had to return any, though, as they both sailed into the endzone. Nevertheless, we've got viable options to takeover Ryne's special teams contribution. In addition, Ryne was already looking at a possible WR4 slot behind Smith, Muhammad, and Jarrett. Goodson and Moore now enter that mix and they're both showing themselves capable in that regard. Given that, the coaches might feel now is the time to release Ryne Robinson so they can focus on coaching the other guys to fulfill all of those roles for us. Plus, if we use Goodson as a WR4 (or WR5 behind Kenny Moore), that may help free up another roster spot to keep an extra FB or TE...something we may very well want to do given the success of Tony Fiammetta, Dante Rosario, and Gary Barnidge. Personally, I think we keep Ryne Robinson at least until the next roster cuts just so we can keep evaluating everyone. But his days may be marked now. And I'll bet he knows it. So, it'll be interesting to see how he reacts against Pittsburgh.

 

Of course, some of this picture may still change if the Panthers decide they don't need as many big bodies on the O-line or D-line among the backups they're carrying right now. But, I suspect we'll keep a lot of them to help spell the summer heat at Spartanburg and to take some of the load off the guys who WILL make the final roster. We could also make a trade involving some veteran players for a decent DT before opening day. And, if that happens, it'll determine who we need to bring up from behind whoever we package in such a trade. But for now, I think we'll drop some of the players listed above in this first cut. Then, the second one will offer the ultimate ruling on September 5th.

 

My two-cents,

--Neil

The content of these posts are those of the user/fan making the post only

Comment 13 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Interesting Post _ List !!!

Great post and I was about to post the same subject until you beat me too it Nspicer LOL. Anyway I agree with cutting Keith Gray (limit action and really not needed), secondly I believe I would Lorenzo Williams is also a good cut b/c he has shown nothing and really not needed either. Andrew Davie is another good choice out TE position is set and we will be keeping all three players in Barnidge/King/Rosario in that order on the depth chart. Now here is where I believe we may disagree b/c we invested a two or three year deal for Cadogan and how to outbid other teams to sign him. I just don’t believe he will be cut in first round of cuts anyway. He will be on the PS this year more than likely however it will happen on or after Sept 5th cutdown to 53 players.

My suprise cuts this early include (S) Nate Salley and (WR) Ryne Robinson; Salley is not any good period and never has been (bust draft choice) and Robinson is simply just not the same player he was a year ago (and he wasn’t all that impressive back then). I would keep Larry Beavers and Hunter Cantwell as well b/c they will both be on the practice squad this season.

Other possible first round cuts include Hypolite (DT), and Kelvin Smith as you post above on Smith. Johnson will make the team b/c he can play all three LB spots and he is quick/undersized which is what Meeks likes. Plus if Diggs or Beason go down (Beason already) we will need a veteran to spell Dan Connor when he starts.

My final list of FIRST ROUND CUTS (5 players only):

(LB) Kelvin Smith
© Keith Gray
(DT) Lorenzo Williams
(WR) Ryne Robinson
(S) Nate Salley

Other possiblities:

(WR) M. Monk
(DT) G. Hypolite
(CB) D.J Clark
(DE) C. Brinkley
(LB) A. Heygood

All these guys above could also be gone by this Tuesday if my above list is incorrect.

(WR) Robinson was not in the game at all on Saturday as far as I could see and if he was he failed to make an impression. As for Salley his time is up but we may have to reach an injury settlement with him before we can officially release or cut him, which is the same thing we had to do a few years ago with (DT) Shane Burton; Boy would it not be nice to find another Shane Burton type on the free agent market after the final roster cuts LOL !!!

CAn we get a run stuffing (DT or tackles) please !!!!

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh damn left Davie (TE) off my offical list, but he will be cut this week without a doubt.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 30, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Salley...

…I’ve heard people get down on him. More often than not, he’s the guy dishing out hits in training camp (trying to make the squard year-by-year, I presume) and injuring other players. His biggest value is: 1) he’s a contributor on special teams and a decent tackler in that regard, and 2) he actually does have in-game experience filling in as a safety for us, doing a serviceabel (but not outstanding) job…which about all you can ask from a backup.

As a result, I have a hard time believing the coaches will cut him in this first trimdown. I know some people would prefer he be let go. But I’m thinking he stays until the final roster cuts…and maybe even after that, depending on what they won’t to do to keep Dante Wesley, C.J. Wilson, Quinton Teal, Sherrod Martin, and maybe even Captain Munnerlyn around. There’s only so many DB spots they can use, after all. And the versatility of Martin and Wesley at the S or CB spots is probably a plus in their favor. Same could be said of Munnerlyn as a CB and special teams guy (both tackling and PR duties). So, I agree that I’m not sure Salley can compete with that to hang onto a roster spot. Of course, they could also decide to put Captain on the practice squad and maybe keep Salley. But I doubt it. I think he’s probably gone even if we do sign Captain to the PS.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...with respect to Ryne Robinson and the Ravens game...

…he appeared in the 4th quarter as a WR. But we didn’t see him at all on special teams. And, even as a WR, he never saw the ball come his way.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all 5 will bottom of the roster guys

Ryne hangs on until final cut down or leaves in a trade

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Aug 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Ryne Robinson continues to get his shot into the 4th preseason game. We won’t cut him right away. And besides, we already released Jason Carter. So we’re more likely to keep some of the WRs around than cut too many more. Marcus Monk and Larry Beavers, on the other hand, may not be so lucky. If we cut a WR in this first trimdown, I’d say it’s one of those before Robinson. Heck, McMahan could go before him, too. He’s not going to make the final squad either.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually writing a similar post

but with less detail. Nicely done Neil. You are on fire!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Aug 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I am...?

Aiiieeee!!! Somebody put me out! ;-P

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut Jake!!!!! No more INTs!!!

j/k… Just put that in there to get your attention.

But now that I have it, I unfortunately having nothing else to say… errr how bout ‘Go Panthers!’

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it -

Why do people say about a guy we would cut anyway, that he might be “dealt in a trade”? Wouldn’t it be cheaper for the desiring team to just get him on waivers or similar cut guy?

I understand the thought that a team would want to get a specific one-and-only cut-guy to satisfy a need, but I believe that is rare this time of year as 432 guys get cut all over the league. Remember – there are 432 guys out there just cut to allow teams make the final 53 number.

For the Panthers that means probably 30 of them are DTs. Not sure how many are over 330 pounds though…

by Barbados on Aug 31, 2009 5:38 AM EDT reply actions  

My Cuts

WR-McMahan
DT-Hypolite
OL-Palmer
LB-Heywood
CB-Clark

Not arguing that most of you cuts will happen eventually, but here’s my five. I’d keep Landon Johnson on active roster to have more experience as back-up LB while our guys are hurt. I also would keep Cantwell on active roster as I don’t want lose him on waivers. That leaves Moore as odd man out. I’d trade him for whatever I could get. McCown locked down the backup spot Sat night.

by magicman56 on Aug 31, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions  

O for 4 so far

Well, Neil, I’m a big ofer on my cut predictions. Shows you what I know. I wonder if they cut Cadogan earlier to sneak him through waivers and to the PS? Not real surprised at Robinson, though didn’t expect it this early with quite a few no-chance no-names still on the roster. Curious as to why the wait for the 5th cut. Trade coming possibly?

by magicman56 on Aug 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't fret too much...

I’m only 1 for 4…or maybe 2 for 4, since I did list Cadogan as a possibility, but then I suggested we’d keep him to the end so we could put him on the practice squad. Apparently, we just weren’t as high on him as we were when we pursued him after the draft ended.

I thought Ryne would stick until the 4th preseason game, too…and then we’d probably cut him after that. But this move (along with the release of Jason Carter when we added Kaesveharn earlier) sends a strong message to the remaining WRs. Especially Kenny Moore. He’s performed so well, but probably couldn’t be sure if he’d make the team and probably figured he was just putting on a show for scouts that might pick him up after being released. Now, he’s at #4 on the depth chart and maybe even #3. I think this move allows him to make the final roster for sure now.

As for waiting on the 5th cut, it might be because they’re still negotiating with an injured player to put him on the IR vs. an injury settlement. Or, maybe they just haven’t decided yet. :-)

—Neil

by NSpicer on Aug 31, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Listen to Cat Scratch Radio Tuesdays 10pm EST

Media Requests email: CatScratchReader89@yahoo.com

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Gunnyhartman_small
CSR OT Open Thread, Vol. 8
Sir_purr_small
Decisions Galore for Panthers Front Office
Desmond_pics467_small
Why Not The Panthers?
Gunnyhartman_small
CSR OT Open Thread, Vol. 7

Recent FanPosts

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Catscratchreader_m_small Jaxon

091311101554_small James Dator

Editors

N1523447507_30151367_6579_small Cyberjag

Img_0764_small LittleKing

Gunnyhartman_small BW Smith

Authors

Unnamed_small Revshawn

Mphg_small Rick Bates

Img_0050_small BrandonBecker

Social Media

Small TLong