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Inside the Numbers: Panthers vs. Ravens

 

I thought I'd try and gather some of my thoughts around the numbers and stats coming out of our third preseason game vs. the Ravens. Since we played "most" of our starters...and for "most" of the game...normally, I'd say the results of Game 3 should be more indicative of how we can expect the team to play throughout the upcoming season. But, we had some key guys sit this one out. On offense, both Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart never saw the field. And, on defense, we were missing Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Charles Godfrey...and of course, Ma'ake Kemoeatu. That latter personnel grouping was pretty important, as defensively, we just didn't have it together. But more on that once we go...inside the numbers...


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OFFENSE:

Running Game - We actually did very well despite not having Deangelo or Stewart in the game. Mike Goodson carried 11 times for 52 yards (an average of 4.73 yards per carry). And Decori Birmingham ran 8 times for 27 yards (a 3.38 average) and scored our only TD on a 4th and 1. The offensive line blocked fairly well, but on several occasions Baltimore's defense overpursued, keying off our FB at the point-of-attack. Credit Goodson for cutting back to the weak side of the defensive line and using his speed to get positive yards. At least on one occasion, he seemed frustrated by that. I think Jake or someone was telling him to follow his blockers, but Goodson was trying to indicate that there were too many Ravens defenders already there. He also had a couple of good runs to the edge, again using his speed to turn the corner and get up field. Birmingham got most of his yards inside, including the TD run off-tackle to Otah's side. Generally speaking, our run game looks intact even against a really good defense and even without our two starting RBs. That's a positive to take out of the game regardless of the outcome.

 

Passing Game - We just did reasonably well with our aerial attack. Jake Delhomme looked better (compared to late last year) and had good zip on the ball, going 10 of 16 for 180 yards. But, in all honesty, he looked very "blah" for the entire first half. He picked up most of his yardage in the 3rd quarter, presumably after making some adjustments and making some long passes (see Receivers, below). McCown went 2 of 4 for 40 yards. No TD passes or INTs for either QB. And we didn't see Moore or Cantwell, but our last preseason game against Pittsburgh should feature all of the backups to determine who makes the roster. Also, despite our QBs being sacked twice by the Ravens, none of them fumbled (including Jake).

 

Receivers - We made some big catches in the passing game. Long receptions to Muhsin Muhammad (38-yarder), Jeff King (35-yarder), Steve Smith (26-yarder), and Dante Rosario (25-yarder) helped. Smith took quite a shot on his catch and almost had another one, laying full-out along the sideline. Jarrett also pulled in a tough ball (10-yarder) and hung onto it, despite a big hit, but that's all we saw of him other than a holding penalty that called on him. And, another bright spot -- picking up where he left off, Kenny Moore showed really well again playing with the 1's, catching 3 balls for 40 yards, including one that went for 19 yards. More importantly, he showed consistency and an ability to get open against a premier defense in the Ravens secondary. I think the other good thing we saw from the Panthers was the ability to get the ball downfield to our TEs. Stretching the middle of the field can only help us. We also did well on screen passes to Mike Goodson, who turned 3 catches into 26 yards, and had another big one that got called back for a penalty.

 

But perhaps more eye-popping was the sideline catch Goodson made that the refs originally ruled out-of-bounds. McCown was flushed from the pocket and looked like he was going to scramble to try and pick up a first down...but he had too far to go, so he pulled it back and threw for Goodson up field. Unfortunately, Goodson thought he was going to run and was locked up with his man to block for McCown. Then, they disengaged and Goodson saw the ball coming his way. He literally had to lay out for it, catching it on his fingertips and pulling it in, barely toe-tapping to keep his feet in bounds. The refs threw a flag, originally for illegal contact, I believe, because Goodson was blocking his man downfield before the ball was thrown. They also ruled the pass was incomplete, i.e., that Goodson didn't keep his feet in-bounds. Fox challenged because the Ravens were going to decline the penalty and put the Panthers in 4th down instead of replaying 3rd down after the penalty was enforced. We won the challenge that Goodson caught the ball (wow!), but it was also determined he was knocked out of bounds, came back in and re-established himself with two feet in-bounds before the reception. So, by catching the ball it was illegal touching, and that was a penalty on the Panthers. Bottom line: the Ravens couldn't put us in 4th down and we got to do 3rd down over. Silver lining: Goodson is a player, not just with his speed, but also his pass-catching ability.

 

Penalties - We had a lot of them. Too many, in fact. All in all, we had 9 penalties for 70 yards, several of which killed our offensive drives or kept them alive for the Ravens. And, since we're supposed to be in "top form" for our 3rd preseason game, it's disappointing to see something like that. A few of them came across kind of ticky-tacky, particularly on defense. But most of them were accurate. We stopped ourselves. It wasn't us against the referees.

 

Third Down Conversions - We went 0-for-7 on third down opportunities. A whole lot of three-and-outs for us, basically. Instant drive-killers. When we did move the ball, we sustained drives mostly because of our long pass plays or a nifty run from Goodson that kept us out of third down. But, everytime the defense put us in a third down situation, we couldn't convert...at all. That's a problem. And we've seen it in previous seasons before. I don't know why that keeps happening. Is it a lack of sound playcalling on third down? Do we not have plays in the playbook we can reliably use? And if we do, are the players simply incapable of properly executing such plays? I don't know. But it's a prime area of concern. Comparably, the Ravens went 8-for-13 (61%) on third down conversions and they only punted to us twice. That means our defense couldn't get them off the field. And our offense couldn't stay on the field. Time of possession was very lopsided in the first half. And, only after we sustained some drives late in the 3rd and 4th quarters did we start to even it out. Still, the Ravens had the ball for 35:09 and we only had it 24:51...about a 3-2 ratio, basically. For a team that wants to pride itself on running the ball and controlling the clock, it was obviously lacking in this game.

 

DEFENSE:

Run Defense - With the exception of the big 48-yard run given up by the scrubs in the 4th quarter that allowed Baltimore to run out the clock, we did really well in defending the run against a good team. The DTs didn't get pushed around nearly as much as I feared they would. And the Ravens didn't just try to run around the edges. They specifically targeted the center of our D-line on multiple plays and got stood up. Our LBs did a particularly good job. I'll single out Dan Connor, James Anderson, and Jeremy Leman, specifically. Anderson led the team in tackles. And Connor was his usual "tackling machine" self. If you go inside the numbers, the Ravens ran 28 times for 118 yards (an average of 4.2 yards per carry). But, as I said, I think that's a little misleading because of that one 48-yard rumble at the end of the game against guys who probably aren't going to be on our team come opening day. If you take out that play, we actually held the Ravens -- a very good running team -- to just 2.6 yards per carry. And that's pretty decent, considering we were getting much more in our run game.

 

Pass Rush - We had only 1 sack, courtesy of Tyler Brayton against Joe Flacco...but I think it's worth noting that Peppers caused Flacco to delay getting rid of the ball by leaping and obstructing the passing lane he wanted to use. When Flacco pulled the ball down, Brayton came crashing into him from behind. Peppers also chased Flacco on another play out of bounds, coming all the way from the far side of the field. Everette Brown applied pressure, too, against Troy Smith when he got into the game. And all of that pressure came without too many blitzes involving the LBs or DBs...though Chris Harris did bring some heat on one play in the 4th quarter. We didn't see much of a push by the DTs in the game, but I didn't really expect them to do much in that regard. On passing downs, we did see an interesting package using Peppers and Brown on the edges with Tyler Brayton and Charles Johnson in the middle. I suspect we may see that more often throughout the year. They also lined up Julius on the left side more than I thought they would, basically flipping him and Brayton from their DE positions last year. I wonder if they'll continue that or just move them around depending on our opponent?

 

Pass Defense (Secondary) - We outright sucked in this area. Joe Flacco picked us apart, going 23 of 28 for 247 yards and 1 TD. Many of them were dink-and-dunk passes to the TE and RBs. Our LBs played them very poorly, and I recall one play where Landon Johnson very specifically fell right on his butt trying to come up and make a tackle, decleating himself and totally whiffing on an opportunity to make the tackle. Instead, the RB caught the ball, sidestepped, and went straight up the field for extra yards. Other big plays resulted from our LBs getting swept up in the wash, particularly on screen plays or passes into the flat. And, of course, the TD play to the Raven's TE occured because he simply beat our LB and made a tough catch.

 

But the lack of playmaking in our secondary wasn't just attributable to our LBs. The DBs got into the act as well, especially from the CB position. Chris Gamble and Richard Marshall gave WAY too much cushion to the Ravens receivers on the outside. And Gamble got beat particularly badly on a long pass play to Kelly Washington that could have gone for a TD if the receiver hadn't stepped out of bounds. He also missed tackles and just generally played very poorly. He had a lot of tackles, but that's because they picked on him...a LOT. Marshall did a little better, but he too gave too much cushion. They just didn't abuse him as much as Gamble throughout the game. Overall, we had really poor tackling, too. That's something we definitely need work on, as it's been on display in the earlier preseason games, too. We have guys flying to the ball. They just don't wrap up. One bright spot among the DBs is that Dante Wesley picked off Troy Smith (and paid the price taking a wicked hit afterward) to kill a Ravens' drive that was about to get into scoring range again. But even Troy Smith showed well against our secondary, going 7 of 10 for 57 yards. Both Ravens QBs enjoyed a really high completion pecentage...primarily because they threw a lot of passes quickly (thereby negating any pass rush) and for short yardage where their receivers could pick up plenty of YAC because of our poor tackling. We also got burned deep a few times. So this was our most disappointing element of the game.

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

Kickoffs - This just in...Rhys Lloyd has a booming leg on kickoffs. He did so 4 times and forced 3 touchbacks. One of them, he angled from the middle of the field deep to the far right side of the endzone, maximizing the distance it had to travel because of the geometry involved. This helped us out by making the Ravens go the full distance on their drives. Unfortunately, our defense never really capitalized on it. But, imagine how much worse things might be if we had short kickoffs?

 

For instance, on the one kickoff that Lloyd didn't place in the endzone, the Ravens' KR moved upfield past the 30-yard line before ANY of our coverage guys even got close to him. He didn't actually get contact until the 35 and thankfully, we brought him down short of the 40. Still, it's clear that if Lloyd doesn't force a touchback, we're in trouble. Also, on our first kickoff (after the FG in the 1st quarter), Sherrod Martin was gunning along the right side of the field and got taken about 5 yards deep out of bounds and knocked on his butt at about midfield when he came back inside. Not very good technique being employed there...except by the Raven's special teamers, of course. I also heard after the game that Martin tweaked his knee a little. He was the only official "injury" and it didn't appear too serious. On the other side of the field, I watched Captain Munnerlyn do well on special teams. He got downfield much easier, with some assistance from Dante Rosario attracting attention by running fast alongside him. And Munnerlyn got in on some tackles because of it. The Captain also did pretty good tackling from the CB position later in the game, too.

 

On our kickoff returns, Mike Goodson handled ALL of them, which I found surprising because I thought they'd give Ryne Robinson some work on that, too. But we didn't see Ryne at all on special teams. He got in there for some pass plays late in the 4th quarter, but produced nothing. I don't think that looks well for him making the roster given that Kenny Moore continues to play well...Jarrett caught a tough ball...and Goodson is taking all of the kickoffs right now. As for Goodson himself, he handled 4 kickoffs and averaged 19 yards a return, with his longest going 27 yards. In general, our starting field position was pretty decent. But, Goodson did handle the first kickoff, pretty poorly...not so much in how he caught it...as his decision-making in running it up field. He started down the middle, then spent a lot more time running laterally and eventually got knocked out of bounds around the 15 yard line. Not a good start. But he did very well after that.

 

Punting - Jason Baker did a good job. He forced one fair catch and generally put the ball up really high to give his coverage time to get down field. But the coverage unit gave up some yards. On 2 of our punts, they picked up 27 yards against us, but the other 2 went for nothing (including the fair catch). Still, our coverage guys just aren't getting it done yet. Crossman needs to keep working them and settle on the right personnel mix. Also, J.J. Jansen continues to worry a bit. At least one of his snaps caused Baker to adjust to it. If that happens in the regular season, it could haunt us big-time.

 

Lastly, and perhaps most surprising to me, we didn't see Ryne Robinson go back to catch punts at all in this game. Baltimore punted twice and both times they fell into the endzone for touchbacks. But, we put Kenny Moore back there for them, rather than Ryne. What does that mean? Maybe they were giving Kenny his opportunities this week and we'll see Ryne handle them next week? Or maybe this is an indication Ryne will be cut in favor of keeping Kenny Moore and Mike Goodson to handle KR/PR and WR3/WR4/WR5 duties?

 

Field Goals and PATs - Same old John Kasay. He had one blocked, but it was called back because the Ravens were offsides (hence, they got there with plenty of time to block it). Other than that, he hit 2 FGs and a PAT. His longest FG went 50 yards. So yeah, John's still got the juice and accuracy.

 

Turnovers - As I mentioned before, we had a pick with Wesley's INT of Troy Smith. I think the notable thing for us is that we didn't have any, despite playing such a good defense in the Ravens. Admittedly, Jake did throw a ball to Steve Smith that Ed Reed tried to make a play on. He couldn't pull it in and Steve broke it up trying to wrap Reed up anyway. Our RBs (including Goodson) held on well. And despite suffering two sacks, none of our QBs fumbled. They also did well in avoiding the pass-rush or blitzes from the Ravens. Quick outs, slants, and some nifty footwork to move around in the pocket helped both Jake and McCown.

 

Okay, that's pretty much all I've got on analyzing the numbers for the Panthers-Ravens game. My general impression is that this defense still has a long way to go...and I'm really concerned. I came into this game worried about the run defense and the DT situation. But I left it with additional concerns about the secondary play. The offense is also struggling on 3rd downs. And we've got way too many penalties. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time left for the starters to work on these things. I imagine practices are going to get a lot more intense for them before the season opener. And maybe they can get more repetitions in once the roster starts getting trimmed down.

 

My dollar's worth this time,

--Neil

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Very nice post Neil

3rd down Completion % worries me just as it did most of last season. To go 0-7 isn’t going to win many games. I’m not sure what the answer is, maybe we should run more of those dump offs that seem to work so well against us

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by Jaxon on Aug 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps so...

We’ve certainly got the protection schemes to give Jake the time to set up a proper screen play now. And, perhaps more importantly, a wildcard like Goodson with his speed can legitimately make that kind of play work. Whereas, in the past, we never seemed able to execute a proper screen or dump off to save our lives.

Still, we need to mix it up and not just rely on that one type of play to convert 3rd downs. Otherwise, the defense knows what to expect. I’d like to see us implement the quick slant better and a decent TE route. Rosario had a good one last night that went for big yardage. More of that, coupled with Goodson or Deangelo catching screen passes might work a little more consistently than draws up the middle and those quick fireouts to Steve Smith on the sideline.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

0 for 7

It seems like (and this is without watching the game on tv……just my first hand account at the game) that we were pretty happy to not show too much in terms of play calling and just run a pretty basic play on 3rd+long. I remember at least twice where it was 3rd and long and we ran it up the middle once and we threw a screen to Goodson on the other. Simple stuff.

It was just preseason so maybe we were reluctant to show much of our offense including some succcessful plays that we have for 3rd downs.

by R-F on Aug 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Our offense doesn't worry me...

…but the defensive secondary sure does!

We had a number of very positive gains called back on penalties (Goodson probably lost 45-50 yards on those), and the penalties can be reduced/eliminated — besides, I thought the block-in-the-back on Rosario, and the hold on Jarrett were very debatable. Our lack of 3rd down conversions was a big problem 2 years ago, but was corrected last year. When D-Will is in there, and with maybe Goodson in the slot (or Moore), and with more continuity of having starters in there for 4 quarters, I think that’ll be no factor. With ball control, and the weapons we have on offense, we’ll be able to wear down defenses, and average 28-30 PPG.

But ball control’s not possible if our D can’t shut down the opposition. And I don’t see how we can do that, with the soft zone scheme Meeks has us in. There’s no aggression on defense, especially in the secondary. Our corners give up way too much room, and are never in a position to make a play on a pass. They’re forced to making reactionary tackles, after the catch. Something’s gotta change. I don’t even know if it’s personnel or scheme, but it isn’t working.

by bigdavis on Aug 30, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Three guys...

…who don’t seem to have problems in coming up and making decisive tackles:

James Anderson
Dan Connor
Jeremy Leman

All LBs. But, it’s entirely possible we won’t see any of them on the field (except Dan Connor until Beason comes back) other than special teams and while subbing in for starters taking a breather or out due to injury.

Last year, Chris Gamble was a sure tackler on the edge. And, at one point last night, he was leading the team in tackles. But he missed several, too. And a lot of his tackles came because they tested his side of the field all night long, especially after he gave up that long pass to Kelly Washington down the sideline.

Another major disappointment was Chris Harris. He just wasn’t bringing much pop or passion. Or, at least, nothing like we’ve seen of him in the past. Maybe he’s just not turning it up or risking anything in the preseason games. But a play here or there would be nice to see he’s ready for opening day.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I thought last year was bad when it came to letting the opponent catch the ball and never have guys in position to make a play on the ball. The preseason has been worse than last year ever was. The corners are still giving a solid 8-10 yard cushion to the wide receivers and we made Ray Rice look like a Pro Bowl running back last night with all the catches coming out of the backfield.

I do realize we are playing “vanilla” but it would still make me feel better if our corners were in a position to make a play at some point in the game instead of 5 yards off a receiver when he makes a catch. I don’t want to be too pessimistic based on a couple preseason games but it hasn’t looked good at all so far.

by bengoodfella on Aug 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

More passing to TEs this year

A comment was made that Jeff Davidson had said they were specifically targeting TEs more the last 2 games. I hope they have seen enough to continue it into the regular season.

Also Goodson’s diving sideline catch was money! I don’t think Jarrett or Moore could make that catch. With Goodson’s speed I hope they will try sending him down field.

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by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Very good post Neil. Always through, insightful and dead on with your analysis.

Like everyone else here that secondary is worrisome. I am hoping that this isn’t what a Ron Meeks D is supposed to look like. We did the same crap last year in playing way off the receivers in a lax zone coverage scheme. Gamble played very poorly for a #1 corner. hopefully he just “picked a bad day to play a bad game.”

I am still convinced that this team needs another DT. I am also still convinced that we can get another DT but either cutting and or trading N’ail Diggs and Landon Johnson. Both Anderson and Leman have played very, very well in these preseason games. I think it is safe to assume that at least Thomas Davis will be back for the opener (I still think Beason’s injury is not as bad as they say it is and if it is, Conner is a perfect backup). The LB position is one of the deepest and most expendable potions on the team.

As for the offense, Goodson is amazing and was an absolute steal in the draft. Jake I thought played pretty well in this game. Nothing flashy, but he made some nice throws and many of his throws were good decisions. I think the team needs to stop this stupid experiment with Dwayne Jarrett. Kenneth Moore has really outplayed him this preseason and Jarrett has shown nothing more than he runs bad routes and takes dumb penalties. Moore is the #3 on this team, and if Fox puts Jarrett there instead, he is making a big mistake. Cut Jarrett and make room for someone else.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

0 for 7

You need to look at the ‘yards to go.’ The average was 11 yards! Penalties and other negative plays put the Panthers outside of ‘3rd and Managable.’

Yes, the sack on 3rd and 5 was an issue, but having to take two tries on 3rd and Goal from the One with backups? Not too worrisome there.

by panthersnbraves on Aug 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think it's a problem...

1) Why is the offense performing so poorly (either in 1st and 2nd down execution or because of penalties) that we’re faced with 3rd and “unmanageables”…and,

2) Other teams (including the Ravens last night who were using a lot of dink-and-dunk passing) also face 3rd and long and convert more often than 0% of the time. So, it’s still a major problem. And if you asked the coaches and the players, they would agree.

3) Only one of the 7 failed 3rd down conversion attempts occured with 3rd and 1 at the goalline. The other was a succesful 4th down “conversion” resulting in a TD. But 0-for-6 is just as bad as 0-for-7 in my book.

Thus, the failed conversions on 3rd down are still VERY troublesome. We HAVE to run plays that can pick those up and our players HAVE to demonstrate they can execute them. If we’d had Deangelo Williams or Jonathan Stewart in there, would it have made a bigger difference? Personally, I doubt it. Primarily because RBs don’t factor that heavily into picking up 3rd and long…unless it’s a screenplay or a pass into the flat with blocking downfield. We already had Goodson to fill that role as equally as Deangelo would have.

So, we had the right personnel on the field for 3rd down conversions, but we failed on every single attempt. That’s problematic. And it’s not just this one game. We had games like that last year…and a LOT more of them the year before that (i.e., before our offense got jazzed up with a better O-line and two top-notch RBs). I wish someone would ask Jeff Davidson about this phenomenon directly. Maybe one of the guys in the press can get an interview with him sometime…

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can any one comment on 95 - Charles Johnson?

There were several plays where he was chasing Flacco, or sniffed out a screen, but just had too much ground to make up to make the tackle.

Were these “high motor” plays where he is trying to make a play, or was this a case of being a step too slow?

by panthersnbraves on Aug 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I can comment

He is a very solid backup DE, that has a very average/common name, looks to have no chance under Fox to be a starter… And who lives just West of Uptown Charlotte.

Or were you referring to the game? I have heard nothing of him this preseason… it’s like he has vanished or something.

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by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a "high motor" play...

…since Charles Johnson is already cited as a “high motor” guy and Ron Meeks’ new system stresses flying to the ball. A lot of the defenders worked on their speed during the offseason, even shedding pounds to get leaner. (That’s part of Nick Hayden’s problem right now at DT…as he was expecting to come in on obvious passing downs…not fill in for Kemo as a space-eater).

So, if you saw Johnson trying to get pressure and running things down, it’s probably not him being a step too slow. It’s more likely he was trying to make a play but just started from too far away or something. Regardless, I don’t remember his name getting called at all last night. But I definitely saw him in on certain plays. They even put him and Tyler Brayton at DT with Peppers and Everette Brown rushing from the ends on passing downs. That kind of move could pay dividends if Brayton and Johnson can use their speed to get past the opposing G’s and C along the offensive line to collapse the pocket. We didn’t see too much of that last night, though. So…still a work in progress, as they say…

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap...

…I meant that as a reply to panthersnbraves, above. Sorry.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you line up 4 DE's along the front on 3rd down

you better be running some stunts to get someone open. It can leave the middle wide open too for a QB scramble. Yes, the Panthers have some work to do on the DL, not just in personnel but executing the scheme.

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by Jaxon on Aug 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

great analysis

Thanks Neil for the in-depth analysis of the game. There were some bright spots, but Pathers’ performance was mostly below my expectations. I just think overall, unlike Baltimore, our team did not look ready for the season at all (for example, poor tackling, penalties etc). I hope they are ready when they face Philly irrespective of the injuries. Btw, it was nice to see Steve Smith back in action.

by ctcp on Aug 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

yes, ...

that should improve our 3rd down conversion percentage. Actually, Stewart would help out immensely as well in that respect. Can’t wait to see them all back in action.

by ctcp on Aug 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeAngelo would help on 3rd downs, but not on 3rd and long

At east not consistently. Don’t really think Smitty does much to help on 3rd downs. He is more of a deep threat.

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by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

…wasn’t Smitty in there for most the game, though? He played 3 quarters like the rest of the starters. And we were still down pretty badly until that last drive for the TD early in the 4th quarter.

And part of me wonders how much more impact Deangelo would have made. I think he would have follwed his lead blocker a lot more than Goodson did. But, the Ravens defenders seemed to be really keying on Hoover and Fiammetta. That’s why Goodson tried to freelance and cut back to the other side, not even following the blocks. If Williams had made those runs, I wonder if we would have played into the Ravens’ hands even more by going into the teeth of the defense. Maybe not. Maybe Williams would have hit the holes better, followed his blockers better, and broken tackles to burst through more consistently. Still, Goodson was averaging well over 4 yards per carry. So he was doing well, too.

Bottom line: I don’t know that the outcome would have been all that different with Smith and Williams in there the whole game. It’s true that we were making a comeback in the 4th quarter, though. The second- and third-string almost pulled it off. Maybe having Williams and Smith play all 4 quarters would have carried us past the Ravens in a close game? Maybe if we both get to the Superbowl, we can find out. ;-)

—Neil

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Smith came out much earlier than the rest of the starters, for fear of aggravating the shoulder I presume.

by MrEd12345 on Aug 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did at one point...

…but then I also saw him go back in, too…

by NSpicer on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

More passing to TEs this year

A comment was made that Jeff Davidson had said they were specifically targeting TEs more the last 2 games. I hope they have seen enough to continue it into the regular season.

Also Goodson’s diving sideline catch was money! I don’t think Jarrett or Moore could make that catch. With Goodson’s speed I hope they will try sending him down field.

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by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not seeing much deep action

except for the pass to Moose which was beautifully thrown by Jake I would have to say.

McCown looked a lot better in this game, no happy feet, confident throws.

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by Jaxon on Aug 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

…Muhsin’s deep pass went for 38 yards. Jeff King had one for 35 yards. Steve Smith caught one for 26 yards. Dante Rosario for 25 yards. And even Kenny Moore had a 19-yarder. So we had some deep pass action going on. Interestingly, two of the longest went to our TEs. So maybe we’ve got some field-stretching plans for those guys in our future?

I absolutely agree that McCown looked better in this game. Should be an interesting competition in Game 4 of the preseason against another tough defense with Pittsburgh coming to town. We won’t see Delhomme for more than the first series, if that. So McCown, Moore, and Cantwell should see a lot of playing time.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint...

…but I would also be remiss if I didn’t point out that most of those other long-yardage receptions resulted from YAC, not a deeply thrown ball. Jake did air it out one other time to Smitty, though, and #89 almost came up with it again.

by NSpicer on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to mention that

Smitty’s was YAC and Moore’s. But the other three were long passes to a degree

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by Jaxon on Aug 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that catch was amazing

The concentration while diving, to keep your toes on the ground, while grabbing the ball with your fingertips and pulling it in. That’s a veteran receiver move, which our 3rd RB just pulled off effortlessly! How could Fox now not be contemplating putting Goodson in more passing situations. Using him some as a receiver means him getting touches while DWill or BeefStew’s on the field. He has dazzled more than any other Panther this preseason… imagine what he might do with a few games under his belt.

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by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evil thought

Start of the Fourth Quarter, and the Panthers have just crossed mid-field. 3rd and short. Panthers come out with two TE’s, and three RB’s. Looks like an Off-Tackle Power Dive – Nope! They shift 5-Wide.

Jake would have to get rid of the ball quick, but whoever caught it would be GONE.

by panthersnbraves on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Baker - Dallas

On Monday night September 28, we will play AT Dallas – Jason Baker’s pretty good – think he will hit the Dallas scoreboard? The NFL just recently declined to force Dallas to raise it.

Jerry Jones. What a moron.

by Barbados on Aug 31, 2009 5:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup...dead ball foul...no play...no time off the clock...rekick

no penalties count except unsportsmanlike

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by Jaxon on Aug 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're also ruling...

…that such an event can be reviewed and challenged.

by NSpicer on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have a feeling that we will be screwed over by that scoreboard

everytime we play the cowboys the calls are ALWAYS in their favor

by carolinabrave89 on Aug 31, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering if...

…rather than Jason Baker clipping that thing, if maybe Rhys Lloyd nails it trying to boom a kickoff for a touchback. :-D

by NSpicer on Sep 1, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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