All Hell Breaks Loose! Pigs are flying! It's a Mad Mad World!
by Revshawn on Aug 3, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
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Two quick injuries to starting players in the first training camp practice. Kemoeatu has suffered an ankle injury and had to be carted off the field, seen here. Jon Beason has injured his hamstring as well.
Picture by the blog in the Charlotte Observer called Inside the Panthers. Thanks a lot guys.
With credits out of the way, this could be the whole season blowing up in our face right here guys. Without Kemoeatu, our DT talent is stretched extremely thin. Without Kemoeatu, we lose a major part of our ability to stop the run. We're left with Damione Lewis as the other starter on the defensive line. Undrafted rookie Marion Favorite took over for Kemo during practice, though I full expect Corvey Irvin to take over in the near future if Kemo is down for a good bit of time.
The good news is that this injury happened early. If you're going to discover that you need more conditioning for the season, the best time to find that out is at the beginning of training camp when you suffer an injury. You have the entire pre-season to recover, and you bet that our conditioning coach is going to be hard at work making sure that he not only recovers, but that he'll be able to last.
The bad news is this. Kemo was reported to have suffered this injury just by running. Yup. You heard me right. A freak injury just by running during practice. Seems that he has a lot of work to do to get himself fit for the season.
The second injury was to linebacker Jon Beason. He tweaked his hamstring and sat out of practice. The hamstring was taped up pretty good, and while he's out Dan Conner will pick up his snaps. If you all don't remember, Dan Conner was the 3rd round steal the Panthers grabbed from Penn State. To put it simply, this kid is the boss. He'll be a fine fit on the Panthers defense until Beason can practice, and this will put him in direct competition with Na'il Diggs for his spot.
Both of these injuries are relatively new, and this article will be edited as more details come out. For all we know, these guys might be back tomarrow. Will this signal the return of the injury bug, or is it simply a bump in the road to the Super Bowl? The extent of the injuries will be out as soon as they are released.
9:00PM
Kemo is down for the season. I repeat, Kemo is out of the season. Our worst fears have been realized. Our run defense takes a huge dropoff from this point on. We can only hope that Corvey Irvin is ready to step up and be a rookie sensation much like Jeff Otah and Stewart was able to do this upcoming season. Someone needs to step up and be a competitor, or else our linebackers will be under a lot of pressure.
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The Kemo one is bad for sure
even if the injury is minor it still takes time away from him getting in shape. Let’s hope its minor but getting carted off is never good.
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The Rock Hill Herald's Darin Gannt says...
…the Beason injury “…didn’t look bad.”
Also, Kemo will see the team doctors this afternoon. They’ve got a press meeting with Fox at 5PM, so maybe they’ll know more by then?
Even if they find out something, I think this is we will get at the press meeting with Fox,
“What is the status of Kemo?
(Fox) “He is being evaluated, he got hurt.”
“How long do you think he will be out?”
(Fox) “We don’t know.”
“Do you feel confident about the backups?”
(Fox) “It is what it is. There is a reason you have backups and it is good this happened early rather than later.”
…and end any useful information we get.
I really, really hope his ankle is in good shape because to support that much weight it has to be in near perfect shape.
Ha! Perfect!
I think I’ve heard that presser before. If you could work in “Well, it beats the alternative,” then I think you’ll have all the bases covered.
Like Zeus said, my first reaction was “shit shit shit!” I had him listed 3rd in my “we’re screwed if these guys go down” list, but I think I’ve underestimated him a bit. Here’s what I wrote earlier in the summer, and I think it still applies (except that our next biggest guy is now 342-lb Lonnie Harvey, undrafted out of MEAC powerhouse Morgan State):
3- Ma’ake Kemoeatu – As bad as it would be to lose our best pass defender, it would be one thousand times worse to lose our best run defender. You think we have trouble getting off the field on third downs now? Try it when the other team’s looking at 3rd and 1 fifteen times per game, and our biggest D Tackle is an undrafted guy from the practice squad we signed off the Montreal Alouettesrosterpractice squad. If we don’t have Ma’ake, we don’t stop the run. Ever. Imagine the pain you felt in overtime of the Giants game last year, watching Derrick Ward go crazy, except that’s happening in the second, third and fourth quarters.
by r3 on Aug 3, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it would be much better...
For Fox to detail every single piece of information there is to tell about the team. I’m sure there wouldn’t be any other teams who’d review that sort of information and use it against us.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on MP, I am just making a joke. I would prefer Fox not give out information, but I was just trying to be funny.
The rest of us got the joke ben, don't fret
The lack of info from a Fox interview is a long running joke that would get old if we didn’t have to hear it every week, every season…nice one though!
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This is true.
I don’t really think that Jon’s injury is that serious either. I don’t think it would keep him out of a game. But for training camp, expect the conservative coaches at Carolina to keep him out for a little bit. I don’t think they’ll hold him entirely out of training camp completely, but they might give him a few days.
In the meantime, Dan Conner has the chance to win a starting job.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
How does one sprain their hamstring, precisely?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...is that actual value I'm seeing from this Twitter phenomena?
Maybe I should actually pay attention to it ;)
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this
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter is great
For keeping up with news, technology or with what colleagues are working on. But not a good family friends tool if that is what you are using it for.
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funny story...
I hate twitter, but someone posted a link to Panthers on twitter…i clicked on it, went to the beason page, and voila.
Totally by accident, hahaha
Haha!
Thank you. Lol
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unless your googling 'flying pigs'
and instead get a Panther TC update! lol
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I get the feeling Kemo just woke from Hibernation
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by southtunnel on Aug 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kemo the Bear
He lifted up his head, gave a mighty roar to the heavens, and suffered a back strain. Ouch!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Remember the "Y'all have depth but no starters" comment in the other thread about DTs...
Now you have neither…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Yes...
God knows an ankle tweak cripples a man.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Because God knows an ankle tweak surely cripples a man.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...did you even sign your guy yet?
or is he still eating pizza and fried chicken?
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All draft picks signed...
Don’t you worry…they all be suited up in our wins over CAR…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
I must admit... Nice one!
Just read your Boosler quote too… pretty funny.
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In other semi-relevant injury news:
Stewart Bradley, a 100-tackle guy last season for the Eagles, went down yesterday with a torn ACL. He’s done for the year. Perhaps we’ll get a boost in playing them the first game out of the gates?
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I don't know that an ankle injury would come from being out of shape.
That’s a lot of man to keep stable. Have none of you ever turned an ankle while running?
Very interesting that Favorite is running as the #3 at the moment. I’ve thought good though about him since we signed him for so much money.
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Gantt on Favorite
Really odd to see Marlon Favorite anchoring the Panthers’ veteran-first D. Short and squatty, and holding his own against Kalil.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And Fox:
On rookie defensive tackle Marlon Favorite, who replaced Kemoeatu in practice: He’s a neat, young man. He gives you everything he’s got. We saw that out of college, and I haven’t seen anything different than that, which is a good thing.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And @cpanthers on twitter:
“An engaging, friendly fellow. Always seems to have a smile on his face, even when he’s working hard on the field.”
“MarlonFavorite spoke about being thrust into action w/ Kemo’s injury, adding that JonBeason gave him a pep talk in the huddle.”
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Could this create some competition?
I’ve never been to crazy about Kemo anyways. It seems like his biggest strength is just taking up space. Would be nice to have some competition at tackle.
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One man's "taking up space"...
Is another’s occupying blockers. A guy like Kemoeatu won’t have much in the stat department (his important FF against ARI in the regular season notwithstanding), but he makes the lives of the back seven SO much easier. Look at what Beason had to say about him after the news came out. Hell, look at our performance last year with him out of the lineup. If all he does is “take up space,” (and that is pretty much the job of a DT) I’d sure as shit rather have him doing it than most anybody else on the roster
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose you are right
Just miss the Jenkins-like production. Maybe Kemo should have gotten the conditioning heck we use to give Jenkins.
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easy to do
Sometimes you just don’t step down right. As a big man myself, I tell you, any big man who is on his feet a lot has incredibly strong ankles. He’ll be alright for the season as long as it isn’t broken or torn.
Apparently Favorite is the top backup NT.
Hayden and Irvin are three-technique guys.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Please elaborate
It seems odd that he got the nod over Irvin… Say that 3 times real fast.
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There are two DTs in a 4-3 defense...
One (the NT) is generally assigned to take on both a center and guard, freeing up the other D-linemen and LBs to make plays. This is a run-stuffing position that requires more size and strength, not as much quickness. The other DT (just a DT, or the three-technique) is more of the penetrating type. This is still going ot be a big player, obviously, but this spot will rely on quickness and speed off the snap as much as strength. (Also ,from the wiki…“If you are a defensive tackle lined up in the B gap, but shifted over a bit towards the guard, you’re called a 3-technique.”) Kemo, Favorite, and Harvey profile for the former, Lewis, Irvin, and Hayden the latter.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What I meant was...
Didn’t Irvin play NT at Georgia? I don’t see why an undrafted fa would be first to get time with the first unit
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by southtunnel on Aug 4, 2009 7:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He might have...
But he didn’t start, so he played a lot at both positions. Still, he doesn’t really have the size or strength at this point to hold up there over the long haul at this point. He’s going to have to rely on good quickness and speed of his first move at three-technique.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated TC Request for someone who is down there.
Can someone ask Jeff King about the chains in his locker? Are they an industrial strength equivalent to ankle weights?
Nope - these were Steel not Gold
For some reason, he had these giant 30-50# chains hanging in his locker.
by panthersnbraves on Aug 3, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Rosario is a full go at this point.
Thus, Kevin Brock got cut. Interesting, though, that they kept the newer guy they got of waivers from the Jets, Andrew Davie of Arkansas.
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Davie is a heck of a blocker
Probably why Fox kept him.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
He was the starter in front of McFadden and Jones.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
SIGN VICK! LOL!
That’s what you’ll see if you go to the Inside the Panthers blog right now.
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That's why I'm here instead :)
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Everette Brown still working at RE, behind Peppers.
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Gantt on Irvin
It could be a while for him. He’s quick enough, but not sure if he’s stout enough to hold up against the run. They need him.
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Other Gantt updates
- Jason Carter looks good, particularly for a guy coming off ACL surgery
- Munnerlyn outleapt Smitty for a ball.
- Patrick Brown (a guy fighting for a backup OT spot) looks totally overmatched against Brown, who’s exceptionally quick.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Im actually really excited about the Captain
and thats pretty damn impressive, even if it is just one play.
I was able to meet him a couple weeks ago
We had a business meeting of sorts. Seems like a very good kid… a bit quiet.
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Hopefully you go to some practices and watch all the preseason games...
Because that’s the only time you’ll see him in a jersey this year.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The Panthers opener against the Giants
I get to see that!!!!! : )
by Flowing Willow on Aug 4, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, outside of Jake going down these are probably the two worst players to lose to injuries considering how critcal our D will be to this season. I’m not really worried about Beason and feel that he will be 100% ready to go come game time. Kemo is another story and I can only hope this won’t carry over into the regular season.
big bad news
Espn has just called Kemo’s injury a torn achilles tendon!
Buck up boys!
by pantherpackcaniac on Aug 3, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
Big fucking news here.
That’s right, I said a curse word. Kemo is knocked out for the entire year.
Holy crap dude. This is the worst thing that could have happened to the team, minus losing Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Jon Beason, Julius Peppers, or either one of our running backs. Our running game takes a huge dropoff now.
Article updated. This is the end of the world. How can the Panthers ever hope to survive!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
How does this hurt our running game?
You mean our run defense right?
It’s like everything everybody has been warning us, starting to come true on the first day of camp.
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Yes, of course that's what I meant.
Though, you’d hope that Kemo would be in better shape coming into camp. He injured himself by running for gods sake.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I haven’t heard he is out for the year. I know that is the best guess but I haven’t heard it officially announced yet.
When you tear your archilles, it's pretty much game over for the year.
That, and Rotoworld reports that he’s out for the year. That’s a pretty trusted source right there.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
He's not out until he hits IR
Yes, history shows it takes a while to come back from, but if they knew he was done, they’d have opened up the roster spot. Also, insurance would start to cover the salary then, too.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be out for the year most likely, and others may know roster maneuvers better than I do, but I think the Panthers may not end up IRing him for a few more weeks until they get a better picture of exactly the time table for his return would be.
It would be risky and it would take up a valuable roster spot but if there is a chance he could come back to play any part of this year, be healthy and not hurt his career long run, I could see a reason to not IR him. That being said, I don’t think he will be back this year.
You're right.
But if they knew for sure he was done for the year, they would have just IR-ed him. There are different degrees of tears, and if this isn’t a complete tear, they may have hopes he’ll come back for the stretch run and/or playoffs.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I do have to think if Kemo can come back this year they very well may try to stash him on the roster and hope that he can come back at the end of the year. This Panthers team is talented and if we could get him back 100% healthy and no threat of ruining his career then I have to think they would hold out hope.
The Panthers tend to wait until they have to IR people to do it. (Robinson last year, Jake two years ago are the first two examples that come to mind).
by bengoodfella on Aug 4, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
And they had hopes both of those guys wouldn't be down for the year for some time after the initial injuries happened.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the x-rays will show its not a complete tear
since he was just running lets hope he fell before tearing it completely. 4 months to heal still puts him back in Dec
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I didn't mean to be sarcastic
This was the first time I heard of the severity… was a little baffled.
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Yes, because being in shape strengthens your Achilles tendon.
Good call.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we really think we could go through the season without an injury?
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i think we will be fine, competition can work wonders. We have an excellent linebacking core, and didnt one of the starting DT for the colts last year go down in training camp, and a undrafted guy came in and filled the void nicely? Ron Meeks is the man our defense will feed off the energy of our new DC
Not exactly.
They were 24th against the run despite being in the lead most of the year.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thoughts
Kemo’s injury definitely hurts us (obvious, I know) but all I could do when I first heard was wonder aloud, “is this how our season is going to go”?
For this to happen on the first day of TC……..i dunno, it just gives me a bad feeling all over.
Its still early enough to recover
though it would be nice to have the ability to sign a FA…Maybe Darwin Walker will give us a discount?
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? 3-4 ?
Beason and Connor in the middle?
J. Sullivan
by pantherpackcaniac on Aug 3, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ther ya go... Problem solved!
And Pep’s happy!… oh wait… you’d have to move him back and have Lewis, and 2 of Brayton, Johnson, Brown on the line??? Either way it seems we have the personnel for it. Of course it will never happen.
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We do not.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just saying considering the lack of linemen.
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by southtunnel on Aug 4, 2009 7:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like I am being baited here because random suggestions to move to the 3-4 is one of my two pet peeves. There is no possible way the Panthers could switch their entire defensive scheme to a 3-4 defense in a month and expect anything but complete and utter failure when the season begins. John Fox nor Ron Meeks has ever run the 3-4 defense and the only guy who has played in the 3-4 for an extended period of time on the roster is getting ready to be IR’d.
Even if we had the personnel the Panthers could not get it done by the beginning of the season.
My other pet peeve is when people name random players who just got cut by teams for the Panthers to sign. I do have to say if one of the players cut is a DT, then it won’t bother me as much for a while because we clearly need one.
Yes...
Because now we’ve got even less of the personnel required to do it. No true NT, no 3-4 DEs, and no 3-4 MLBs.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No true NT, but our defensive ends could make the transition. We have a linebacking core strong enough to make a transition with 5 potential starters.
Don’t be so pessimistic Procton. We could do a pretty good job in a 3-4 at this point. It sounds like a interesting proposition none-the-less.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
+1
There is no reason that Brown, Peppers, and a guy like Johnson can not play 3-4. Our LB’s are great. It would be very interesting to see.
The NT really is a problem though… but Meeks is as smart as they come, and could figure it out somehow if need be. I am sure he will make something work, 3-4 or not either way.
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 4, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I never meant for a full blown 3-4 D to be on the field all the time, but instead meant a few snaps a game…
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they could do that but it also leaves the question of what to do on the other snaps of the game. I just don’t know if teaching our DE’s to be standup LB’s for 8 snaps a game is the best option. I would rather they spend their time learning how to be 4-3 ends since that would be the majority scheme we would run.
What do I know though?
by bengoodfella on Aug 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets look at the personnel.
Peppers’ skill would be wasted as a 3-4 end, and he’s never played OLB before.
Brown is too small to play anything but OLB, but, again, he’s never played there.
Johnson might be able to play 3-4 DE size-wise, but wouldn’t that be, again, a waste of his pash-rush tools?
Brayton and Lewis might be decent fits as 3-4 DEs, but neither has experience in those roles.
Beason would lose much of his protection in a 3-4, having to take on far more blockers. His speed would be nowhere near as much of an asset. He’s also a good bit smaller than your typical 3-4 MLB, as is Connor.
Davis might be a good fit at 3-4 OLB, but Diggs would be a non-factor there.
Finally, nobody on the staff has ever run a 3-4. Why would they do it for shits and giggles now?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome idea actually.
I wouldn’t mind that at all.
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