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Panther Players On the Move

Darin Gantt announced a couple moves yesterday of interest. The first involves Panther CB and special team gunner Dante Wesley's move to safety.

"Hammer came to me this morning before practice, told me the plan, asked me if I minded," Wesley said with a shrug. "I said ‘I don't mind, just help me with it. I don't mind playing anything, but I just want to know what I'm doing.

 "'Give me a day or two just to learn it, learn where I'm supposed to be. Once I get comfortable, I'll start making plays and be all right.'"

The speculation is that the Panthers feel they have plenty of depth at CB with CJ Wilson, and rookies Captain Munnerlyn and Sherrod Martin. The person who should be concerned is S Nate Salley who can't seem to get over the injury bug the past two seasons. Given the Panthers need for salary cap space Salley may be a cost cutting casualty

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In another significant move it looks like DT Marlon Favorite has overtaken Nick Hayden for the LDT spot formally occupied by Maake Kemoeatu who is out for the season with a ruptured Achilles.

The Panthers were giving more work with the starters to rookie defensive tackle Marlon Favorite, in place of Nick Hayden.

Hayden struggled in the opener at New York and looked ill-equipped to fill the vacancy left by nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu. Favorite is not going to make anyone forget Kemoeatu, either, but the squatty rookie from LSU might be better against the run.

This move is no surprise as Favorite played the run much better in the Giants, albeit against the Giants 2nd teamers. Don't be surprised to see Favorite start against the Dolphins as the Panthers see what the kid can do against 1st teamers. I don't see this as any slam on 3rd round pick Corvey Irvin. Irvin is more of a one-gap penetrator who will likely succeed Damionne Lewis when his time is up in Carolina. The fact Favorite seems to be handling double teams has to be the reason for his rise.

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Is Martin still slipping?

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he was placed very high to begin with

We all assumed because he was a 2nd round pick he inherited the nickel spot. In reality he has been behind CJ from the start and I don’t see him behind Munnerlyn at this point. He is more of a project who probably won’t see the field much except for maybe special teams.

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by Jaxon on Aug 21, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some reports sound like he's behind Munnerlyn

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Hayden is gonna be cut. they are going to have to make room for a vet DT (believe they will, Favorite isn’t THAT good). Interesting move for Wesley. He ever play safety before? I don’t recall him doing so, but I probably can’t remember.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the linked article

it says he last played S at Arkansas before transferring to Pine-Bluff. That was about 10 years ago.

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by Jaxon on Aug 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hayden could very well get cut

He doesn’t seem to have much upside

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by Jaxon on Aug 21, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not much at all. He has done zilch since he got here and Favorite is running his ass outta the depth chart as fast as Goodson can run the ball.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're looking for vet DTs then realistically we should be looking at...

San Francisco’s roster, Green Bay’s… team who are transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4. They’re bound to have an underutilized DT available.

by James The Aussie on Aug 21, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But any DT we get from them will be a one-technique at best

The 3-4 needs run stuffing DTs, which is what we had in Kemo. So there’s no way we’ll get a replacement from one of those teams.

by Cyberjag on Aug 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. We are going to probably have to trade for someone. I don’t want to get the table scraps from another team. We need to look at teams transitioning to a 3-4 who need linebackers. Diggs and Landon Johnson could be good trade bait for teams with injury issues or lack of talent or depth.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Decisions by Coaching Staff

Okay so Wesley is going to move from CB to FS right ? Why is that ? Martin was a FS or Safety period in college and from what I have seen of him he is really better suited to play their. My only way of thinking truthfully about this is that the Panthers feel that Martin’s height and big play ability is why they want to keep him at CB.

As for Hayden, he needs to go along w/ Salley; Both of these guys simply are not anywhere close to NFL quality players period let alone starters. Salley was a bust draft pick and he will never see the field as a starter in Carolina. As for Hayden I am so tried of hearing what a great upside he has, how he started two games last year, how he is a beast in practice, and finally how great he is period. Cut both of these guys and let some other team have them and deal with trying to groom them, we simply have run out of time on both Hayden and Salley.

Lastly I love the idea of Favorite starting but is he ready, WE STILL NEED TO GET A VETERAN DT IN HERE ASAP, period. I mean a good one like Corey Williams from Browns. Hey trade them Hayden, Salley, and a draft pick such as a fourth or 5th rounder. We have bascially given up on Salley and close to pushing Hayden do to like number 4 DT on the depth chart; likewise goes for the Browns and Williams. So guys just cannot play in a 3-4 defense style and Williams is one of them.

Go panthers, roster cuts are going to be a surprise this year.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on Favorite. However no one is going to take Salley, Hayden and a low draft pick for a quality DT. We are going to have to wither ship out areas we have depth in (mainly LB’s) or just hope for a guy to get dropped from another team.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dwayne Jarrett

I know this guy is a draft pick and also the 2nd-Coming of Keyshawn Johnson, but at what point does the organization pull the plug and drop a guy like Kenneth Moore into the 3rd position and Ryne Robinson (or Mike Goodson perhaps?) backing him up?

I honestly hope Jarrett pulls it together but the roster spots are valuable. Give it to a guy you can count on versus a “maybe” guy. If Jarrett is ready to be Moose’s replacement, I don’t see it. Moose will have to be in the wheelchair before that happens.

Also – would Rosario make a decent WR? Just curious.

by Barbados on Aug 21, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you as well on Jarrett. Letting go of Johnson for this guy was dumb and hasty. Now once again, it was only one preseason game, and we will get a better idea of how good he can be, but I would definitely say that Kenny Moore has the inside track on Jarrett for the #3 receiver.

I think Rosario might be cut. We have to make room for Fiammetta on the roster, and we already have two tight ends on the roster.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also don't forget...

Keyshawn was a bit of a locker-room cancer. There were passes he missed and blamed Jake publicly for.

Jarrett was “The Great Hope”, much like Eric Shelton was a few years before. Or Keary Colbert before that…

Will Jarrett cross over into the pro game is still the question.

by Barbados on Aug 21, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true about his “locker room presence”. I still think that keeping him would have helped us the following year. But with Delhomme out…… ugh who knows.

I do know that Dwayne Jarrett has been a disappointment so far, and hasn’t show much to get me fired up.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Fiammetta and Hoover are both on the roster

Hooovs replacement is waiting on the bench. That could push him to bust his tail and re-prove himself. Regardless does this mean its Hoovers last year?

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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoover was talking a "last year" two years ago.

His back was hurting him pretty bad at one point, and he was pondering his final season… Guess his back got better.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't pull the plug after one preseason game

I’m sure he’ll start tomorrow… maybe for the entire half. That’s the good thing about Smitty being out. He has an opportunity to make or break himself. And a guy like Moore has a chance to show he can do it repeatedly.

And please Ivan… letting go of Me-Shawn was a no-brainer. That guy only cares about one thing (himself) and he doesn’t care who he crosses because of it. WRs are prima-donnas… but at least Smitty is a team player.

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing about him was that he helped win games. That was my only point there. I think John Fox and the rest of the coaching staff did a good job with the situation. The guy knew how to perform even if he was an ass.

This team would not have taken a chance signing him unless the team felt they could handle him.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a good player

But didn’t we go 7-9? I can’t help but wonder if he had something to do with that behind the scenes.

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8-8 actually in 2006-2007. Mainly the reason why we went 8-8 instead of 12-4 is because we lost at least 4 games in the 4th while we were leading. The game against Philly that year comes to mind. We lost to the Vikings, Bengals, Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles in the fourth. Not trying to advocate anything here, but I don’t think Johnson had to do with all of those losses.

Johnson was a good compliment. I didn’t here much about him causing trouble, but I could be wrong on that.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panthers tell as little as possible

I just don’t think his reputation and attitude was a good fit for Fox.

I remember we lost the first 2 games without Smitty. What a difference from last year, when we won the first two without him. The running game is the difference, and Moose is a much better fit.

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, I would much rather have Moose than Johnson. It is a shame they didn’t see eye to eye in the 04-05 offseason. Moose belonged here. And yes the running game kicks ass this time to.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will always remember that dropped pass against Dallas

that was a sure TD and it opened the door to the route. We’ve lost 3 straight to the Cowgirls and I am wanting some serious revenge this year, at their stadium on Monday night.

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by Jaxon on Aug 21, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just watched some of their preseason game vs Titans

And Dallas’ offense looked really good. Romo-Witten-Williams look completely in sync.

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or that INT in the corner of the endzone in DeAngelo Williams’ coming out game against Philly. Sure this win. First and Goal at like the 4, and Jake threw it to Lito Sheppard instead of Johnson.

Tough loss that night….

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should have said there: “Sure fire win.”

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#4

He is looking a #4 right now. Not worthy of pulling the plug but playing horribly enough for us to go and insert Moore into the third. They will be good to mix it up when we are looking for Smith to have a huge game to keep them on their toes but I think this is the year Jarrett needs to prove himself or he won’t be a Panther come next TC.

by GMallory on Aug 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rd QB?

Cantwell or Moore?

Moore’s more experienced, but Cantwell show’s promise against the Giants’ 4th string. Now if we play the Giants’ 4th string all year long we’re set if Jake and Josh go down.

But Cantwell sure did look good. Alot better than Daymeune Craig! :-)

by Barbados on Aug 21, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From the looks of it after one game

We don’t have a solid backup, much less a 3rd string. I’m with you… at least Cantwell showed promise. Let’s see if he can continue to do so, and not throw game ending picks.

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by southtunnel on Aug 21, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t we put Cantwell on the PS? If not, I would drop McCown. I don’t think the guy would be better than Matt Moore. I liked what I saw out of Moore in the Giants game. But we will see.

Perhaps McCown will be more inclined to perform in front of his old team…..

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t we just cut Rosario instead? We would have Jeff King and Gary Barnidge at TE, and that should be good enough.

Matt Moore is possibly the face of the franchise when Jake retires. And I don’t quite see McCown as a quality back up.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 21, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bold.

Here’s the math:
1. Moore did okay in the regular season two years ago. Not Tom Brady, but ok.
2. Moore had an awful pre-season one year ago. Not David Carr, but not good either.
3. McCown is the “experienced” back up Fox wants. How would Fox cut this guy? I don’t know either.
4. Moore is expendable, McCown is not (In Fox/Hurney view anyway)
5. Cantwell is larger than all the QBs. Bigger arm. Best “measureables” for whatever value that brings.
6. Cantwell’s had one pre-season game now. Threw better than all the QBs.
7. Bear in mind Cantwell’s performance was against the bottom-of-the-barrel for the Giants.

So in my view, the jury’s out unless Cantwell is inserted after Jake tonight. But I like his one performance and his size.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of that is true. I hope they don’t pass on Moore. I still think the kid has some abilities to play well. Cantwell looked good to, but he is really raw at this point.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 22, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

If Jake goes down we’ll suck anyway. McCown has played alot of bad teams, so behind the Panther’s line he should be better, but he seems a little weak. Would it be too far-fetched to cut McCown and keep Moore and Cantwell?

I would imagine it would be very cap-friendly. Also, Jake’s 1st year they had him “manage” the game, not be a superstar. Is it so far-fetched a growing Moore or Cantwell couldn’t do the same thing?

I kind of think McCown is this year’s Rodney Peete – an adequate guy who is a false sense of security. Unfortunately John Fox isn’t ringing my phone asking my opinion on the subject.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Cantwell's arm, size and running ability

After watching a replay of the Giants game he impressed me.

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by Jaxon on Aug 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did his mechanics look awkward to anyone else?

He looked like his body was stiff, and all the throwing motion was in his shoulder. Having never played QB I am clueless about it, but he looked odd to me.

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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What has Moore done to make you think he is better than McCown?

What has Moore done to make you think he is the future starter?

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Aug 22, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He performed adequately in the real game/regular season two years ago. Plus younger.

In games of 15 attempts or more:

McCown has an 11-21 record, playing mostly for Dennis Green’s Arizona with a year at the Raiders. His QB rating in those 32 games has averaged 72 and he’s thrown 35 TDs and 38 Interceptions

Moore played 3 games for the Panthers, 2-1 record, average 85 QB rating, 3 TDs, 2 picks.

Arguments:
1. Moore has squat for experience, but shows promise. He did ok when put under the gun.
2. McCown built his pedestrian record with some really AWFUL teams.
3. Neither impressed in pre-season game one.
4. It can be argued that one of Moore’s good games came against a team resting it’s starters.

Verdict:
Jury’s still out. Better to watch pre-season games 2,3, and 4. No reason to decide until then. Plus Hunter Cantwell could also implode by then.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good judgment, that.

No need to rush the decision — that’s why they play these games, to separate the wheat from the chaff.

by bigdavis on Aug 22, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. One preseason game does not show everything. Much of this talk is conjecture at this point.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truly

I mean, we’re all just a bunch of hopeful fans.

It’s like I personally wish Cantwell or Moore is the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. But let’s be realistic – Cantwell was throwing balls against New York’s cut-bait. So… give all 3 backup QBs a chance in all three pre-season games. I’d only hate us to cut a true talent and see him as the next Jake Delhomme or Kurt Warner.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he was also throwing to our "cut-bait" receivers

And being protected by linemen that are higher on the depth chart then they ought to be.

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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a good point

Some (or all) of those throws that sailed high or wide may have been the fault of the receivers (LOL) running the wrong patterns, or just the fact that there’s been so little time to get to know each other’s rhythms. We’ have no way of knowing.

I noticed several times that Jarrett and another WR were in the same 3-4 yd area — somebody ran the wrong route. Can’t blame the QB for that. For example, in Q1 Saturday night, the first pass to Barnidge was in his hands, but he couldn’t hold on — anybody notice that Jarrett was a step and a half right in front of him? This of course brought at least an extra defender into the area, and there were 3 of them right around Gary. Barnidge’s fault? Jarrett’s? Certainly not the QB, who should’ve gotten the completion.

by bigdavis on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goodson

Wow. I just searched and watched a bunch of film on him on Youtube. This guy is the second coming of Steve Smith. He is sooo fast. Cliche’ thing to say, but on film the other guys DO look like they are standing still.

It is bizarre – a bunch of guys ahead of his path, waiting to tackle and ZOOM! – he just blows right by. No scrub schools either – Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas.

by Barbados on Aug 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thunderstuck?

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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a great exhibition of talent.

So far he seems to prefer to want to turn the corner for us. And that’s okay — he’s not built to bust it up the middle.

But the real potential he has for us is to get the ball in space, and we haven’t shown him as the slot receiver yet. I expect that to not happen until the season starts — no sense in showing opponents film of it in the pre-season.

by bigdavis on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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