The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly: Impressions From Panthers-Giants Game
First game of the season, I was so pumped it didn't seem like 2 AM. There were some very good things, some bad things, and a few that were just ugly, so here are the notes. Enjoy, and please take them with a grain of salt, I am a known Panther homer and an optimist. : )
THE GOOD
Deangelo Williams and the first teams O-line: D-Will looks like an absolute beast, if we can run the ball, control the clock, we may not have to rely on our defense to stop the run, as who runs the ball anymore when you're down by seven. ; )
Mike Goodson: Had a few good runs, he definitely has some speed and can make something happen with the ball in his hands. Notice his TD run, he froze the guy in the backfield and outran the D to the sideline. He also showed some power on a few runs.
Quinton Teal: He made several good tackles, along with that INT which was a nice jump off of Barden. Teal should definitely earn a roster spot.
Jeremy Leman: This guy was like Jon Beason Version 2.0, he was sticking his nose in and making the play. He keeps it up and he is definitely on the roster as a special teamer.
Dan Connor: Beason 3.0, he played very well, he knew how to tackle, unlike most of the rest of the D, and had great instincts to read the play. I could definitely see him supplanting Diggs, earlier if Diggs succumbs to the injury imp.
Jake Delhomme: He looked a little antsy, threw off his back foot a few times, but he made a few good plays and spread the ball around, dumping off to the TE a few times. Which brings me to....
Gary Barnidge: Ran with the first team, our running game didn't lose anything with him in, don't know what it would have gained with King though..... Regardless, Gary made some nice catches, they were both dumps though, didn't really see him stretch the field though like he's been advertised.
Richard Marshall: Compared to the rest of the first team secondary, Marshall played well, he stuck his nose in on a few tackles and wasn't beat, at least from what I could see.
Everette Brown: He hustled all night, and was rewarded with a blindside sack of Andre Woodson. He definitely showed some moves, and why we drafted him.
Julius Peppers: Interesting play by Pepl, Jacobs caught a medium ball, Pepper hustled up and wrapped him up from behind. After the play, Jacobs said a few words to Pep and did that football helmet pat thing. Pep had this big goofy grin. : D
Dante Wesley: Showed why he was ahead on the DC, making a few nice plays in coverage.
James Anderson: Hustled, made several good plays, namely a sack and punt block.
Marlon Favorite: Played better than Hayden........
Kenneth Moore: Definitely played better than the other wideouts, made a few nice catches in traffic. He has been working out with Steve Smith this offseason and that definitely showed.
Jon Gruden: I was pleasantly surprised by his commentation in the booth, he and Jaws are a great team.
THE BAD
Chris Gamble: Shoddy tackling, not like Gamble at all. Then again, I'm not sure I recognize that defense that took the field in the first quarter.
Josh McCown: Fumble, pick, he did not play well. To be fair, Schwartz allowed the sack, and the pick was deflected, but if Jake/Moore get no breaks, neither should McCown. ; )
Dwayne Jarret: Ran a route short I think, lack of focus, or just a brain fart?
Punt Coverage: Soft in the beginning, kind of coincides with our slow start.
Tackling: Absolutely abysmal, we were flying to the ball, hitting them hard, then bouncing off. : ( We can't afford to play like that come Week 1, especially with the way we were handled with the run.
Sherrod Martin: This one is kind of a mixed bag, he made a play or two, missed a couple more, including a 3rd and 17 conversion which could of resulted in a pick.
C.J. Wilson: Was beat a few times.
Pass-Blocking: A little sloppy, but the G-Men have the best D-line in football, period.
Geoff Schwartz: Horrible. Was beaten outside repeatedly, made some stupid mistakes, he should be moved inside where he can use his strength.
Jason Carter: He had a reputation for drops coming into Carolina, which I found hard to believe until I saw him play. O_o Wow. With Kenneth Moore playing well, Carter really can't afford to have a bad preseason.
Ryne Robinson: As a receiver, he played worse than Carter. As a return man, he looked better than Goodson, who stuttered too much. He tied with Beavers.
Backups on the O-line: Are definitely raw.
Dante Rosario: Missed a key block
Hunter Cantwell: Maybe the "Cantwell" needs a read defense added on. That said, he has an absolute rocket for an arm, as well as some mobility. Maybe some of Jake's moxy as well. Definitely worth a spot on the PS though.
THE UGLY
First team D was very vanilla, but that doesn't excuse the performance they turned in, shoddy tackling, Hayden deserves to be benched. What epitomized the first team D was the Bradshaw TD, Hayden was blown away, which left the pulling guard free, he blew up Beason before he could stuff Bradshaw in the hole.
THE INTERESTING
Gruden/Jaws debate over the Wildcat. They convinced me. : )
Matt Moore. I'm watching the game now, they replay primetime in the afternoon, I'm definitely going to look very closely at Moore, I thought I did last night, but nothing really stood out and I have to give something to MP in that regard. ; D
Please weigh in with discussion, maybe I make this a weekly thing.....
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You saw the same game I did
I wouldn’t take exception to a single conclusion you drew.
I’d only add that both Larry Beavers and Jason Chery showed abilities on receptions and YAC. Granted they played against Giant subs, but their comparable performances were superior to those of Jason Carter and Ryne Robinson, who have NFL experience, but failed to show it. It’s early in the preseason, but based on the only game we have to dissect, they didn’t hurt their chances to make the roster.
And Jeremy Leman was more impressive to me than anybody. As he came off the field after his umpteenth tackle, he let out a whooop, and Jon Beason was really tickled by his enthusiasm. We need more of that spirit.
I probably need to take the rose colored glasses off...
but I’m cautiously optimistic about Cantwell. I was making jokes on the open thread before his first series, and he came in and started with two HORRIBLE passes, but I think there’s hope for this kid. I think the ‘Bad’ rating is a little harsh. After those first two lame ducks he made some good decisions and made a good play with his legs.
Granted, it was against the Giants 3rd team, but it showed me some moxy that he was able to lead a 2 minute drill and make a play on a 2 pt conversion… i think that alone pulls him out of ‘BAD’.
I agree with you about Gruden, I wanted to hate him (I loathed him in Tampa) but I couldn’t, he’s strangely affable and interesting as a commentator.
I'm with you on Gruden.
Couldn’t stand his scowl on the sidelines, but the guy’s personable and enthusiastic in the booth — and makes some valid observations, and backs them up.
It’ll be interesting to see if his predictions on the Wildcat “revolutionizing” the league turns out to be more correct than Jaws’, who still terms it a gimmick that puts the real QB in jeopardy of injury.
I think they both oversold it...
Typical of ESPN. I think it wont do either, it’ll be a fun gimmick for this season and right now it’s still new and exciting, but you don’t think every defensive co-ordinator in the league have been working on a counter to the wildcat?
The main problem I see with the wildcat is decision making. You’re essentially giving the RB free reign to decide how a play goes. Right now, it’s working… but sooner of later RBs are going to make poor decisions that result in big losses when properly countered. They simply are honed on the same skillset that a QB uses in their decision making.
by James Dator on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Chris Harris was ugly
He did not do well on the Bradshaw rush. He just did not seem ready for the season. He is looking very rough right now. I have no confidence in him right now until he shows me otherwise. No tackles or anything. In the first few defensive series, I always saw him in the right spot but never got into the tackles. He was always standing around. I think he didn’t want to wash his jersey. = ]
Nice post FW
You beat me to it. I was about to start a similar post but saw yours so….
I still think Robinson has the inside track on returns but I’m intrigued by Beavers. Carter really hurt himself with the drop. I thought Marcus Monk did not hold his blocks well. Schwartz did suck at times and should be concerned. The rest of the back-up line did a pretty good job. Favorite is the only guy that even partially impressed along the d-line. Lord we need help there.
Jarrett still looks out of sync…I’m losing patience with him.
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I said in the open thread I'd be reviewing the tape on Jarrett... well, I did
It was on him. I was specifically seeing as to whether Jarrett was the reason for the lack of production, or if some of it could be pinned on Jake.
Jarrett was a step behing on all of his routes and was getting almost no seperation. His cuts were not crisp and too often he was tipping his hand early allowing DBs to jump his routes. This is simply unnaceptable due to his size and ability.
One of the worst mistakes we made in recent years was cutting Keyshawn Johnson, they are almost identical size and Keyshawn could have shown him how to use his size to his advantage… this was his bread and butter for years. Moose may be teaching Jarrett how to be a man and how to carry himself, but it doesn’t seem to be translating to his play of the field. I distinctly feel we may go into the season with Kenneth Moore at #3.
by James Dator on Aug 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Moore did look good though I left him out of my quick hits
I prefer a smaller shifty guy in the slot anyway. Jarrett looked like a clumsy teen at times running his routes. Where’s the confidence of being in his 3rd year?
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After the offense broke out of the huddle on a couple plays
It really looked like someone would have to point and remind Jarrett where to line up… maybe it was something completely different. I hope he is not so dense that he still hasn’t learned the plays.
But it was only one game. We need to see more of him before writing him off, especially in game 3. I hope to see more of Moore and maybe Beavers with the first team too.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Your running game
Looked good. My brother in law said we were sucking at stopping the run and I said “Williams is just that good.” But then your other RBs made our tacklers look awful a bunch more times. Turnovers were ultimately the difference.
Here’s to being the best 2 teams in the NFC again. Good luck this year until Dec. 27!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 18, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
The Good:
Running Game
The Offensive Line
The Bad:
Defensive Backs
The Deep Threat
3 Down efficiency
Josh McKown
The Ugly:
Run Defense
Punt coverage
Ball Protection
Jake’s Blind Side
Our OL gave up a lot of pressure in the passing game.
Especially from the interior. Vincent got completely abused on the sack/FF. I think Usi was credited the stats, but the real play was made up the middle when Jake could not step up in the pocket.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 18, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post!
Sounds like you were taking notes :D
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I'll add one more 'good'
Jason Baker.
Punters go unnoticed too much, but with a new long snapper they didn’t seem to miss a beat and he had a 44.6 average… very respectable.
I'll say one thing.
Jake Delhomme better stop throwing those lollipop passes to receivers behind the first down marker.
If you’re going to throw behind the marker, throw something with some zip to it so that the receivers get it in time to try to bust a defender or get a few yards up field for the first down. I don’t think the starting Panthers squad got any yards after the catch at all.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Last night was a HOT MESS!
Get ready guys for another 8-8 Season!
And here I am thinking that losing by 7 to the Giants without Steve Smith, Jonathan Stewart or Jeff Otah is a good thing.... thanks for enlightening me.
Seriously though, really? Only Panther fans will be willing to call the series a failure after 1 preseason game.
Don't don't put BHW in the 'fan' category.
A fanatic he is not. Just a critic typically.
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Worried
Deangelo looked like a beast! Can’t be stopped at line of scrimmage.
Kenneth Moore was very impressive. I haven’t heard anything about him but I say he is our unquestioned 3rd WR after watching him play.
Those were the only positives I saw on O.
Our D-line is in serious trouble. I hope we were scouting some of the DTs that NY will have to cut. I know NY has a great O-line but we were completely overwhelmed.
Godfrey and Gamble are really overrated. This cannot be the D we play come regular season.
I understand you concern
But, my opinion of last night remains the same. Our young players and rookies looked comfortable in Meeks’ defense, but the veterans looked lost.
I’m choosing to chalk this up to getting used to a cover 2 system. That being said there were some good things. Pass plays that used to go for 15-20 yards were brought down for 8-12 yards in the cover 2.
The run defense was horrible, but I think it was due to alot of players just not making plays. I think we will need to find an effective DT. Nick Hayden is not the answer and Marlon Favorite is just too green.
I do think it’s a little too soon to hit the panic button though.
True
not in full panic mode yet. I do hope to hear some rumors of player acquisitions. When are the first roster cuts?
Fiametta versus Rosario
Remember how Keary Colbert SHINED for one year then died? Is that happening now with Rosario? Would we fore-go the Hoover versus Fiametta decision by cutting Rosario?
Opinions?
I thought that for a while
Although Rosario didn’t really since for a season, he shined for the SD game then disappeared. I very much believe that Rosario could be cut in order to keep to FB.
or to save some cash for the dt position
which i believe can be improved with a trade for corey williams
by carolinabrave89 on Aug 18, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Rosario has some talent to offer as a pass-catching TE
just not in the Panthers offense. The premium on being able to block is too high. He may have some trade value though
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Colbert vs. Rosario
Keary Colbert shinned, then got hurt and was never really the same after the injury. Rosario’s disappearance is different. As for cutting Rosario and keeping to both FBs, I’m not sold yet. What does Fiammetta bring on special teams? Can he play TE if need be? Or is his skill set just FB?
Last nights game was horrible. Jake has zero pocket presence & his accuracy is suspect but what’s new? Williams is the only bright spot on offense, Gross constantly got beat & its obvious without Smith the receiving corp stinks. Mcclown is a joke, hes a loser & a career backup & last night proved why. The defense is a real mess. I hate to see what Bush, Barber, Westbrook, Turner, & Brown will look like against them. OUCH! Kemo does not make that big of a difference, the poor tackling and horrible techniques are something the players must control & not look to throw blame. Looks like Meeks brought his terrible defensive gameplan with him from Indy, too bad we dont have the high powered offense to compensate for it like they do.
first off you lost my attention at REGGIE FREAKIN BUSH
he sucks he is not a everydown running back DO NOT let espn brain wash you into thinking otherwise. but its the first preseason game there is nothing to worry about just yet
by carolinabrave89 on Aug 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Bush, Barber, Westbrook, Turner, & Brown.... really? hahaha
Thank you D.W.G… thank you.
Our problem last night was with interior defense and dealing with players who can run North-South and between tackles, this was our weakness and even then we allowed 139 yards. We use our speedly OLBs to take care of East-West runner.
Reggie Bush has never rushed for more than 800 yards. He’s proven himself to be a slot reciever at best, furthermore as a feature back he wont run between tackles
Marion Barber barely ran for 800 yards last season, 21st in the league. He doesn’t scare me.
Westbrook is a legitimate threat, but another East-West runner.
Michael Turner is the 2nd best RB in the league, he’s a threat to every team.
By Brown, I assume your referring to Ronnie Brown. 19th in the league last season. Don’t make me laugh.
You can’t learn everything about the strengths and deficiencies of players and teams from ESPN alone.
exactly you ask espn what we can do
theyll say oh well they can run the ball, and SOMETIMES theyll mention steve smith, but they wont ever talk about how much better our pass rush will be.
by carolinabrave89 on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Great review BTW Willow.
I had a few observations as well:
Kenneth Moore impressed me. The guy ran routes well and got YAC. While Jarrett and Carter dropped passes and/or over ran routes. He could be the #3 WR if he keeps his play up. Wasn’t impressed at all with Jarrett or Carter.
Our back up LB are as good as the back up DL of the Giants (yes they are). In fact I think they are so good, that if they play this well through the next 3 games, the Panthers could use Diggs and Landon Johnson as trade bait or cut them outright to get a veteran DT. Jeremy Leman should definitely get a roster spot and possible playing time if his play continues.
Which leads me to the DL. Brown impressed me. If he can work more on that spin move the guy will be very deadly. Favorite played well, especially when he busted through the line and dropped the RB for a three yard loss. However the need for another Kemo is VERY VERY apparent. They will have to get someone. They cannot go into the season with another big DT.
Goodson is one fast guy. Forgetting the stupid penalty after the TD, the guy was the best player on the offense the whole night. Had great hands, speed and moves. Needs to hang on to the ball better, but the guy could be a star.
Teal played well and could possibly move Godfrey to CB (possibly) and move Teal to FS. But that probably won’t happen. Had a great game though.
And finally, most important of all: Who in the hell was that guy pretending to be Jon Gruden? I mean this guy was a complete 180 of what I used to know about him, and he did a great job in the booth. Would much rather have him that chris collinsworthless.
Just a few observations ;)
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I agree with this whole-heartedly
Teal played well and could possibly move Godfrey to CB (possibly) and move Teal to FS. But that probably won’t happen. Had a great game though.
Or even move Godfrey to SS. He seems to prefer tackling over coverage anyway. Harris seems to have lost his FF magic. He played what appeared to be uninspired ball last night. Teal is showing an obvious nose for the ball and has good hands. The last couple seasons the Panther secondary has really frustrated me with its inability to hang onto the interception. I hope the coaches don’t let draft position and salary dictate who starts.
This season is going to be a huge challenge for Jon Beason as he has blockers in his grill like never before.
I’m warming up to K-Moore as the 3rd WR. Give me a couple more nice performances and I’m on board. I’d like to see him get one deep for obvious reasons.
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Thank your for your observations Jaxon. The move of Godfrey and Teal I think will only happen if Sherrod Martin continues to make bad plays. Not everything was bad last night, but that missed interception/knockdown that lead to a very long third down conversion will not earn you playing time.
Now I didn’t hear much on Wesley, but from what I saw he did well to, so Martin will have to play better if he wants that nickle CB spot. But this is only one preseason game, so I don’t want to look to much into this.
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+1 on Goodson
After the fumbles he looked determined to make up for it. You could sense that same Smitty-like attitude in that TD drive. Also, one year he had over 30 catches at Texas A&M, many that were deep balls. I would like to see him used more like a receiver during the preseason… especially considering the need.
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Receiver sure
but I like those dink and dunks, they are sure yardage, and with the ability of Goodson to break off a long one, I’d take those over a deep ball any day.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2009 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He made a very smooth catch and run on 4th down
but then he fumbled the ball. He can and will correct that I bet. That one play bodes well for the rook
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It all hinges on protection
If he can hold on to the ball then this kid could be huge this year. If not then it won’t matter what he does.
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by southtunnel on Aug 20, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You can teach holding on to the ball
That kid has skills that can’t be taught, if Stewart is out I’m not quite as disturbed with Goodson in the backfield.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 21, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If he doesn't learn to protect the ball quick
Then he won’t see the field. I heard this was one of the reasons he didn’t get more carries in College. I don’t think Fox will tolerate very much of that from a rookie.
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Not with DLo and Beef Stew both available.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 21, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I am curious to see how they try to use him.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I think we can take away a few things for sure this game
Kenny Moore could take away the #3 role from Jarret and Carter, we have depth at linebacker, promise at D-line, but it’s raw and needs work. Also, the veterans are adjusting to the scheme, that and tackling will be the focus in the upcoming week. Apart from that, we don’t know if what else we saw was a flash in the pan, or a signal of things to come. I won’t be able to see this next game, so there might not be an impressions. I’ll get to compare Eugene and Gruden though. : )

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