Giants Defeat Panthers 23-17; Quick Hits
The Panthers fell to the Giants in a preseason game and the best I can say is we didn't appear to suffer any injuries that I could tell. Both the starting offensive and defensive units were less than impressive. The offense could not move the ball and the defense could not stop the run. I guess that's about my worst case scenario (barring a major injury). Sure its the preseason so I'm not going to get too worked up about it. But if I put my rose-colored glasses on here's the positive stuff from the first teams:
- RB DeAngelo Williams looked good and in top form
- TE Gary Barnidge played well, showed good hands and quicks for a TE
Pictured: Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw ran wide over the Panthers defense
That's about all that comes to mind positive-wise from the first teams. Did I miss anything? The back-up units on the other hand had several notable players. Let's start with the offense:
- RB Mike Goodson was very impressive. Aside from his two fumbles he showed great cut back ability and a nose for the end zone. The Panthers have something here but I don't think I liked him at KR. He stutter-stepped too much to be effective.
- QB Hunter Cantwell delivered a late TD drive after the previous two back-ups McCown and Moore were inconsistent. The kid has a gun for an arm for sure and showed nice poise with a 20 yard scramble.
- With a few exceptions (dumb penalties) the second unit offensive line did a good job picking up the Giants stunts
- WR Jason Chery had a nice catch and run for a TD from Cantwell
The defense had a few bright spots:
- LB James Anderson blocked a punt for a safety
- S Quinton Teal got an INT with a nice break on the ball (which I predicted..har)
- LB's Jeremy Leman had 8 tackles and Mortty Ivy 7. Leman looked expecially quick in support of the run
- DT Marlon Favorite looked active and fairly stout at the point of attack
- DE Everette Brown struggled early but got 2 sacks when the competition lessened
- CB Sherrod Martin played some tight coverage though he wasn't always successful at stopping the play
Special Teams:
- Though the kick return game was nothing special I thought Ryne Robinson showed the most confidence catching the ball. WR Larry Beavers could still make a run at it but it appears to be Robinsons to lose
One other positive is that the game didn;t go into overtime. There's certainly plenty of negative things to point out but we have the rest of the week to discuss that. What other positives did we have?
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Great recap
but I also thought that Dan Connor’s 8 tackles was noteworthy.
by chillicothe20 on Aug 18, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I realize it was only one game but I was impressed with Connor, Leman, and Ivy. I feel pretty good about the backup LB’s we have (or may have) on the roster. There are going to be some hard decisions made there.
by bengoodfella on Aug 18, 2009 7:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leman may earn a spot on the active roster
Special teams beast.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 18, 2009 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loved Leman aggressive play
He could take the spot held by Donte Curry last season.
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just from looking at the stats no ESPN (I was unable to watch the game) Beavers had the best kickoff return in terms of yardage and Robinson had the worst.
It appeared that our defense did alright against the pass but not very good against the run. I know it’s just one preseason game, but our defensive front line really worries me. We got quite a few sacks during the game, but that tends to happen in preseason games due to rusty and inexperienced QB play.
It also appeared that our offensive line played pretty well throughout as well. Our running numbers were good across the board. Goodson looked like he had a hell of game apart from his 2 fumbles. That’s a bit of a red flag. Deangelo looks ready to go. It’s nice to see Cantwell step in and have a good performance. If he keeps that up he may force his way onto the team. Also, Teal had our lone interception and a half sack. This after many people have been raving about his skils in camp. Is he currently a safety or a CB? Is he being considered for our nickle position?
One last thing: Leman, Connor, and Ivy all posted a lot of tackles, which is good for them, but not necessarily for the team. Now, when you’re playing a team that runs as much as the Giants do, you’re going to get a lot of tackles, but you’d like to see more coming from the defensive line and less from the linebackers. Based on those numbers and the big rushing stats from the Giants I’d think it’s fair to say that our defensive line wasn’t stuffing many holes out there.
by pancanbra on Aug 18, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except when Osi cooked Gross for a sack/fumble
That was poor from our All_pro LT
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, defense usually has the advantage early on in preseason, and Osi is a beast.
by pancanbra on Aug 18, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I'm not reading too much into it
The Giants are a SB contender so we need to consider that when reviewing this performance. I like tough preseason schedules and we have one this year. It will help more than hurt
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was mainly on K Vincent.
He allowed the pressure in Jake’s face and prevented him from stepping up in the pocket and away from Osi, who took a very wide track to Jake and should not have gotten a sack from that path.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Aug 19, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My grades for the game (from a previous thread late last night)
High marks for Mike Goodson, Jeremy Leman, James Anderson (sack and blocked punt), Dan Connor, Jason Chery (not only on the catch and score, but the block he threw in the 4Q to get extra yds for another receiver), Larry Beavers (way more impressive than either Ryan Robinson or Jason Carter), Marlon Favorite, Everette Brown, Corvey Irvin, and Quinton Teal.
Minor pluses for Decori Birmingham, Captain Munnerlin, Tony Fiametta, Gary Barnidge, Andrew Davie, and Hilee Taylor.
(I’m not commenting on the starters, though Barnidge did start.)
Low grades for Geoff Schwartz (2 penalties and a missed block that caused a turnover), Dante Rosario (very disappointed that he missed so many blocks, on runs as well as pass protection — I believe his days are numbered), Nick Hayden (gets tossed around like a doll in the middle), Josh McCown/MattMoore (neither of whom showed me a thing, in pocket awareness or accuracy), and the secondary starters Gamble, Marshall, and Godfrey, who exhibited no relish for tackling.
(Just one more comment: I think had Jeff Otah been manning the RT slot, we’d have way less pressure on our QB’s tonight, which would’ve changed the outcome. Our OL subs need a lot of work.)
by bigdavis on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good summary
If Teal keeps it up I’m going to be all over the ’bench Godfrey for Teal bandwagon". We need a playmaker at FS, not a guy that is always a step late and whiffs on the tackle
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I like Godfrey, but Teal was certainly getting it done proper. I’ve heard good things out of TC about that guy.
by boywonderncsu on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on guys
Harris and Godfrey play subpar in one preseason game and all of a sudden we’re calling for the backups? Now if they keep it up yell all you want, but I chalk this up to poor tackling from rust and just getting used to Meeks new scheme.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for Godfrey
He is coming into his own. He is a great raw talent. He will never be elite but will be solid in the future. As far as Harris, I don’t know. He is a vet in the league that I believe has shown what he got. I like the play Teal made but honestly it does not push him ahead of Godfrey. It was just a bad game by our starting safeties. I’d like to see more plays for Teal but I am not a fan of Harris. I’d like to see more out of Harris but I don’t know if it is there.
by GMallory on Aug 19, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice review davis (also posted on 2nd half thread)
I think the biggest stock that went up, is not shown here. Kenneth Moore. He had a fantastic game. Looked well running routes. Caught balls in traffic. Looked like he could be a reliable WR in big sets in short situations. Gary should have more pluses than that. He is a catching beast with a great physical game. If we can have him block more like some elite blocking TE’s and not like a Dante Rosario we would have a fantastic success rushing off his side. As far as the secondary, we have it except we need to be better with the new cover two. But I would say the learning curve is there and time will show. I was NOT impressed with Chris Harris at all. He will be tough to detrown but he just seemed like he was not into the game. He couldn’t help in rushing situations and totally missed when Bradshaw ran for a TD in the first half. I’d like Martin or Salley to fill Harris’ role but I doubt it will happen.
Other than that I think the high marks are looking good and unfortunately where there are up’s, there are downs and those were covered by you.
by GMallory on Aug 18, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
You’re right to point out that I omitted Kenneth Moore in my plus list. He had a good game — anybody who can catch in traffic moves up the ladder of competing WR’s (and if you can’t catch it when NOBODY’s around but a footstep, as Jason Carter couldn’t, well…)
by bigdavis on Aug 18, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is good
Yeah. I can tell you that Fox wishes that drive could continue. Smith is going to get on his case. It doesn’t loom well for Carter but it will be interesting to see him bounce back because he will work hard to get that spot back
by GMallory on Aug 18, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My grades
These are based on general expectations of their play (obviously not all players, just standouts)
A: Mike Goodson, Hunter Cantwell, Kenneth Moore, DeAngelo Williams, Dan Connor, Leman, Quinton Teal
B: Matt Moore, Gary Barnidge, Cherry, DeCori Birmingham, Favorite, Cory Ivy, Everette Brown, Jon Beason, James Anderson
C: Jake Delhomme, Beavers
D: Dante Rosario, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross
F: Geoff Schwartz, Dwayne Jarrett
by James The Aussie on Aug 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cory Ivy
Corvey Irvin or Mortty Ivy?
by GMallory on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you reserving your vote on McCown for another day?
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 18, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His grade was 'incomplete' like his passes...har har
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
=)
haha!
I have said that I do not think he is the answer… I do not see anyone analyzing his performance, which I think was S&#$%!
but it is the first preseason game, and I will not complain till at least the 3rd.
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodson
Anyone else think Goodson needs to learn to be patient….. I loved the explosiveness but it seems once he learns to wait for blocks to setup or holes to form he’ll be a monster. He was full speed once he got the ball….. but thats a pretty good problem to have.
by daburge on Aug 18, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody said it in the open thread last night
but DeAngelo could definitely teach the kid to hold on to the ball.
by James The Aussie on Aug 18, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was waiting for this conversation. If he takes the .5 second stutter that he took at A&M where he can change fields, he has great natural speed off the blocks. We have the line. He can get better on some ST work and will be a great 3rd back.
by GMallory on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the bouncing it outside thing will only work so many times
he’s got to stick his nose in there sometimes and move the pile
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
He will probably bulk up a little. Counters and little fakes in the backfield too will be good. I think will be the hardest thing to tackle in the open field. If he can bounce it outside, I’d love to see that. I don’t like the fumbles but we will get more physical and try and run through the pile.
by GMallory on Aug 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Fields (6 tackles - 1 sack, 5 solo)
He did good. I would normally say a big yay! but he looks destined for PS IMO. Anyone think differently?
by GMallory on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A numbers problem
I agree, he did play well. But he definitely faces a numbers problem. Fields probably has to beat out Nate Salley or end up on the PS again (presuming Harris, Godfrey, and Teal are safe).
by TheMightyM on Aug 18, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he botched it on one of the screen passes
When I look at the film those screen passes will be a focus. The Giants seemed to know just when to call them, the WR and Rb screens.
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's funny
That during the preseason, the ending of the game gets “LOL” responses. But the ending in the regular season………….well that’d be a different story
W6G
by Figgi4life on Aug 18, 2009 7:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a perfect ending...
simply because it did end…and provided some drama as well. Those ticket payers got their money’s worth just in Panther turnovers.
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by Jaxon on Aug 18, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been more perfect with a hail mary bomb to Jarret in the final minute
But what can you do? : )
by Flowing Willow on Aug 19, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its preseason
What coach really wants it to end in OT?
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hit enter too many times...
Sure the commentators pointed out that a little more play time would show more of the 4th string…
however, I feel that a conservative coach like Fox and Coughlin would rather see their 4th team players play against a different team a week later, so they could see the difference, and progression.
I was SHOCKED that Fox went for 2…
You can call BS on that ALL you want… and I can not disagree, but it just makes sense to me…
by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sintim exploded off the ball and nearly killed Matt Moore. very impressive.
NFL JERSEYS
by shirley on Aug 19, 2009 3:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dante Wesley
IMO Dante Wesley should be our nickelback, I remember 4 pass breakups during the game that he made. Anyone else even notice his skills? Leman looks like a wildman, I say we definitely keep him over Landon Johnson. Our O-line did a decent job, can’t expect greatness against a D-Line like that. Jarrett still can’t get open and Moose didn’t look too impressive either. Not one of the QBs looked impressive due to having the pressure all around them and having to make faster decisions in the pocket. I think we are actually deep at corner this year and they had better be able to shut down the receivers like they did on Monday because the D-Line is missing Kemo for sure.
by oklahomapanther on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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