A realistic analysis of what our QB position could be.

Vick career win % (with Falcons): 0.567
Delhomme career win % (with Panthers): 0.620

Delhomme is more of a winner as well as superior statistically, so, what exactly does Vick ‘bring to the table’ to make him a better QB?

Basanez just had a horrific outing this preseason, I believe he threw 2 or 3 ints. I liked LeFors and he was worked out by other teams, his game didn’t translate which is why he isn’t in the league any more.

Yes, Steve Beuerlein was statistically superior to Delhomme, but as a winner… not so much. Anyone who watches Panther’s games on a regular basis notices that there’s a different air of confidence when Jake is on the field. Even if he doesn’t inspire confidence by fans, the players play harder for him. If you look at every position on the field they play better when Jake is out there even when backup/replacement quarterbacks put up similar game numbers.

LeFors was given every opportunity. He never showed well in the preseason or the limited opportunities he got in the regular season. Basanez, too, was kept around for years, but was never going to even be a solid #2, much less a starter. Moore was not ready as of last year. Stop pointing to a 2-1 record when the two wins came against teams with nothing to play for. “Managing finances” was irrelevant when it came to getting Ryan. The cost would have come in players and draft picks for him, not money.

It can be “Oy”, “Oi”, or “Oiy” so you’re covered!

Yeah, I would have loved Ryan too, but immediately after that draft, before Ryan took a snap we were linked to liking him.

That gives me alot of confidence in our scouting staff and their ability to evaluate QB talent!

Basanez is in competition with an almost equally worthless QB (Caleb Hanie) for the Bears’ primary backup job.

Didn’t watch a lot of the game, but what I saw he didn’t look very good. Definitely not worried about losing a potential star there.

if Jarrett is able to step up he’s a mighty big target when things go South.

Please. Take a look at his career splits:

1st Quarter-89.7 rating, 25:15 (1.67) TD:INT
2nd-86.4, 29:18 (1.61)
3rd-78.9, 25:20 (1.25)
4th-87.8, 36:21 (1.71)

I understand you’re on his side, but tell me how a guy whose best quarter in his career has been the first is “lousy until it counts.”

Any fool can look up Jake’s career RTG on NFL.com, I averaged his years out as a CAROLINA PANTHER STARTER that’s where 89.1 comes from, I not counting a 60 pass season in New Orleans from 1999… that makes it propaganda?

Vick can run, okay, so he brings that to the table. He is statistically inferior as a quarterback by every measurable we have, so you can make the argument for ‘intangibles’ and ‘dangerousness’ which don’t translate into wins. I showed again that Jake is more of a winner. I didn’t say Vick was a ‘loser’ not once, but I did say he was INFERIOR in every way to Delhomme, and I will believe that until someone can show me some tanglible evidence to the contrary.

Furthermore, I never said it wasn’t the QB’s job to protect the ball… you are supremely good at putting words in my mouth.

And no, I don’t believe that ‘most recently Jake let us down’ he had one bad playoff game, a really bad game. The people who jump on Jake like to convieniently forget the other 12 wins. It wasn’t someone else passing to Rosario to win game 1.

I am more than happy to argue with you on the topic, but not when you make unfoundered accusations about me being biased, or put words in my mouth I’ll admit it gets my goat more than a little.

So, all I’ll say is more work was put in that chalking up meaningless career statistics. I wasn’t calling you a fool, I was saying it would be foolish to take into consideration years in New Orleans as a backup to formulate a correct analysis of Jake Delhomme as the Carolina Panthers starting QB.

You started the strong language, not me. There are far better ways to communicate your opinions and debating mine without being snarky.

80.6, 87.3, 88.1, 82.6, 111.8, 84.7 / 6= 89.18

Regardless of whether you value the 111.8 or not it is of no consequence, it was still 3 official starts in 3 official NFL games, with 86 attempted passes, which he was rated 111.8 (the best of his career before the injury). The beauty of looking at QB rating is you can discount other stats that can be stunted through loss of game time.

When statistically analyzing Delhomme it is fair to include this season, I included the 2007 season in evaluating his yards per season, TDs, INTs and ratio also. So, when all results are averaged it comes out in the wash.

Football is the ultimate team game, though a QB is an important cog in the offense it is definately not a substitute for a good defense, no one player is. All this post was intended to do was evaluate the QB position of the Carolina Panthers and compare our incumbent starter to other potential QBs who were either passed on via the draft, or not pursued in free agency. The results speak for themselves, with the exception of pursuing Drew Brees in 2005-06 and not drafting Joe Flacco (potentially) there is no winning QB who we passed on who has put up better numbers and more wins than Jake Delhomme.

I think we should be fortified by this as Panther fans. It shows that the front office can correctly evaluate talent and knows how to prioritize positions. Despite all this, I definately think the 2010 draft is the time to strike and get our QB of the future. We have a very real chance of getting a Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy even in the second round.

In the end, that’s the only stat that matters.

I don’t want this next statement to be taken out of context, because I realize it was only preseason game 1, but that’s what I like to see from Cantwell… he had moxie, like Jake. He wasn’t afraid to have the ball in his hands on a closing drive. The kid impressed me; after all, Jake and Kurt Warner were undrafted too… you just never know.

Jake knows how to win games in the 4th quarter

We’ve taken QBs before, but I think this is the year we actually get one in the draft. We’ll probably spend a first day pick on him, and then Cantwell or Moore will beat him out to take Jake’s place in 2011….

as a guy who might be available in the 2nd. I like the comment about accuracy, his size and the fact he plays for OK St, a school that plays decent competition.

Remember the plan for Carr was to have him sit and watch for a season or two so he could break some of the bad habits he developed behind a porous Texan OL. When Jake went down with the elbow, that plan went ou the window.