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Panthers Projected 2009 Depth Chart: TE

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The first responsibility of a TE under HC John Fox is run blocking ability. Since Fox became head coach in 2002, he has always carried at least three TEs and in three years there were four TEs credited to the roster (2002, 2003, 2006). However while I won't predict it, I can see a scenario this year where Fox decides to keep only two TE on the 53 man roster. The scenario would take into account the two FB currently on the roster, Brad Hoover and rookie Tony Fiammetta. If they keep both it could make one of the TE positions expendable.

Let's jump in and review who is currently on the roster. 

 

Jeff King (4th year, Virgina Tech) 6'3" 260, Age 26: King was drafted in 2006 but didn't see much playing time until his second year. For having only two years of starting experience he fits nicely with the Panthers offensive game plan. While you can't put a stat on blocking, he was definitely a key cog in the Panthers successful running game last year. While he doesn't have the best hands in the league, he's more than adequate for the teams needs and is capable of finding an open spot when needed. He's a proven player that should continue to find a spot on the Panthers roster for several years.

100% chance of making the team and being the starter

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Dante Rosario (3rd year, Oreg

on) 6'4" 250, Age 24: It appeared after the first game, 7 receptions for 96 yards, in 2008 that Rosario might have a breakout year. Yet his disappearing act the rest of the season has baffled everyone, when he went 11 receptions for 113 yards. However, much can be debated if the lack of involvement was by his own doing, the lack of involvement of the TE in the passing game, or Delhomme's inability to get them more involved. Then, in an odd decision, instead of having surgery immediately following the close of the season, he decided to wait until the first of May. While it was noted he should return in time for training camp, the timing is very questionable. With the possibility of carrying two FB this season, the decision may force the Panthers to only keep two TE as well. Because of this and the late surgery it give me pause in predicting his chances of being a Panthers.

85% chance of making the roster

Gary Barnidge (2nd year, Louisville) 6'5" 247, Age 23: Not since Wesley Walls have the Panthers had a consistent receiving threat but Barnidge has the hands to possibly become that threat. Between his college scouting reports and his impressive showing during last months OTA, Barnidge is setting himself up to possibly become a major factor on the Panther offense. However he will need to work on his blocking ability. He added weight this off-season which will help; to remain on the Panthers roster this is a must have skill for a TE. If his blocking catches up with his catching ability, he could become the starter in another year or two.

100% chance of making the roster

Kevin Brock (Rookie, Rutgers) 6'5" 255, Age 23: Brock worked hard to make the Rutgers team as a walk on player. He started as a WR but transitioned to a TE after adding 60 lbs. Since Rosario is out of commission Brock was able to get valuable field time and attention during OTA. But while he is no stranger to hard work and the face time on the field was important, his chances of making the roster is very slim. With three capable TE still on the roster from last year, breaking onto the roster would be difficult if not impossible. If the Panthers keep three active TE then even the need for a practice squad TE is slim. However, again if they only keep two, then Brock might get a PS spot.

5% chance of making roster if Rosario isn't ready, 15% chance of PS

Andrew Davie (Rookie, Arkansas) 6'6" 275, Age 26: Davie was picked off waives last week after he was released from the NY Jets, who had picked him up as a UDFA. He was known for his blocking in college, blocking for Darren McFaddenand Felix Jones. He's most likely a training camp body and not much more. Although similar to Brock his best chance will be if Rosario for some reason doesn't make the roster.

5% chance of making roster if Rosario isn't ready, 10% chance of PS

Overall the TE position is pretty set and while I did mention Rosario's surgery several times, from all indications he should return for training camp. If so there is very little doubt as to the position breakdown. The biggest question is if Rosario or Barnidge is the first backup. What's your take does Rosario keep his backup role or does Barnidge edge him out in training camp?

Poll
Who will win the backup TE position?
Dante Rosario
93 votes
Gary Barnidge
158 votes

251 votes | Poll has closed

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all we need is a blocker at TE anything else is a bonus

by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

It’s also worth noting that finding a good blocker there is easier and cheaper than finding a guy who can be a 600-yard receiver.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

the offense

Our offensive coordinator came over from Cleveland where he had Winslow make the Pro Bowl. Barnidge is supposed to be the same type of receiver, but obviously not of the same potential. I think he tries to get more receptions from TEs this year, and since King is the best blocker, I think we keep all three. I can’t see any of them getting cut. Also, looking at last year’s playoff game, there were some plays (about five) where it would have been nice to see a dump off pass to a TE in the flat.

by usana_gaines on Jul 8, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe even 6 plays.

Jake did hold onto the ball pretty long when he was stripped for the fumble. That was when the “stuff” started rolling down hill.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't get a very good angle,

but to me it looked like no one was open, that’s why he held onto the ball for 5 seconds.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 10, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's where his weakness was exploited.

His lack of pocket awareness and placement of the ball when reading the defense are the weaknesses that I am mentioning.

I do not fully agree with everyone (not necessarily saying you) who says that Jake does not read the defense well. I do not think it to be that cut and dry. There are many factors which play into his overall decision making process. IMO, one area that gets dramatically overlooked by fans is the confidence level that Jake has in his receivers, TE included. We do not go to their practices, see what goes on in meetings, and do not have ultimate insight into many other things. I would agree that the main reason for Jake focusing on Smitty so much has to do with his supreme confidence in him vs his lack of confidence in say Jarrett, King, Rosario, etc.

I know that this was a little off subject, but just wanted to share. What are your thoughts?

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 10, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's pretty much it

Although I saw the fumble play several times, he was stepping up, getting read to launch it, the o-line just couldn’t hold it any longer. Just a bad play altogether.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 11, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

A third OT

I don’t think John Fox is happy with anything but a guy who can act as a third OT on the line.

When a guy labeled a TE catches a ball, Fox must be like, “hmmm, how did THAT happen? I didn’t know that tackle could catch – must have been an accident! Oh well, refs didn’t catch it, so I’ll take it. No need to throw the red flag.”

Jake probably figures he over-threw Smitty again and by immaculate reception that undersized tackle caught the ball again. He just figures he got lucky.

by Barbados on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions  

We have had success running in 2 TE sets.

If we can develop either Rosario or Barnidge into an adequate or above average blocker, then that will serve to help an already good run game.

Then IF we can start play-action passing to the TE, forcing the opposing LB’s to think (making them slower to react), that will also help to continue to develop the run game. This is admittedly wishful thinking, but that is what blogging is all about, right?

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 9, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the TE position

That would be why I really like the TE position. While I know every team member is important, a good TE that can block, run routes and catch keep the D thinking. A TE can open up a WR or get the in on the play action game if they are known for their receiving skills, and then if they can block for a good RB then the running game of course can prosper. WR’s and RB’s don’t get that treatment. A TE when used well makes a big difference.

Of course like you said that is IF the team actually uses a TE in a role like that.

by LittleKing on Jul 9, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF

They should hire one of us as an OC assistant. ; )

by Flowing Willow on Jul 10, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

 “However, much can be debated if the lack of involvement was by his own doing, the lack of involvement of the TE in the passing game, or Delhomme’s inability to get them more involved

Bingo. I’ve been saying it’s not the guys catching the passes, it’s the guy throwing them. Rosario was effective the first game because Delhomme was FORCED to throw to his other options because Smith was suspended. As soon as Smith can back it was tunnel vision as usual with Delhomme. I understand Smith is the playmaker, but forcing it to him in double coverage is ridiculous. Simple math would tell you if someone is doulbe/triple covered that means someone else is wide open somewhere but Delhomme has no field awareness or pocket presence to figure this out.

by D.W.G. on Jul 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

It is hard to argue against this point

The SD game represents a prime example. The only problem is if you lose and Smith has only 2 catches the first thing anyone will say “we should have thrown the ball to Smith! Why didn’t we get the ball in the ahnds of our playmaker?” Its really an either or situation.

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by Jaxon on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

Fox may not understand the tight end, but it’s true Jake is like a baby with a pacifier with Smith. Every time he feels insecure he pops that pacie back in, and throws to Smitty. No matter how many DBs are draped on him.

by Barbados on Jul 8, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

Then again, you do have to remember that Jake Delhomme was away from the game for a year. That’s enough to make any QB rusty. I can understand the point about him forcing the ball in double coverage, and I agree with it. He needs to spread the ball out more.

At the same time, Steve Smith is a weapon and we have to use him as much as we can. Let’s face it, Steve Smith pretty much dragged us kicking and screaming into the playoffs in 05. He’s a weapon that defenses need to respect, the more players you have on Steve Smith the better.

I’m perfectly alright with Jake Delhomme throwing a deep ball to Steve Smith that gets INTed every now and then. Just not 4 or 5 in a single game. Once it gets to that extreme, it’ll start costing us games.

The best thing about the Panthers situation though is that we won’t have to rely on Steve Smith as much as we have in the past. With the emergence of Double Trouble, can they risk taking that other defender away for a chance to shut down Steve Smith?

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call - Jake is the best QB in the short history of the franchise, shortcomings and all...

And he didn’t falter those two games without Smitty. I’ll take 12 and 4 all day long.

I think we just still have the bad taste of Arizona floating around. Can’t wait for the first pre-season game where Arizona stops being a point.

by Barbados on Jul 9, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would also add...

…that sometimes, it’s beneficial for Jake to throw to Smith anyway and even put it up for grabs because:

1) Smith has more passion to fight for the ball than any DB out there…

and,

2) Often the DBs will interfere with Smith on the catch, draw the flag, and the Panthers get a 1st down on a penalty even if it’s not a completion.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Jul 9, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confidence is another factor not mentioned.

Jake has extreme confidence in Smitty. I hope Coach Davidson does what he can to facilitate the building of this confidence or trust between Jake and the TE’s.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 9, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our TEs got 65 targets last year.

That’s more than four throws their way a game, and one out of every six throws total. Given the other weapons we have on offense, how much more can they be thrown to?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing is

50% to 60% of the time when he is double covered Smith will come down with the ball. Catches vs Green Bay and New Orleans late in the season all came while in double coverage.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 9, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions  

The TD against the Saints happened...

Because of a perfect throw. Hard to believe Jake has it in him since he’s such a shitty QB and all, but that ball couldn’t have been placed anywhere more perfect.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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