Carolina Panthers Depth Chart Breakdown: Guard
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The offensive line has been a position that most fans overlook. Let's be honest, most people in Charlotte are either ragging on Jake Delhomme, talking about Steve Smith, or boasting to other teams about the emergence of Double Trouble. And it's true, our running game was the thing that carried us through the year and helped us get triple the amount of wins over losses.
However, somewhere along the line someone has to do the dirty work to keep our running backs from being flattened by 300+ pound tackles. Though unwatched by a majority of the fans, they share a position that may be the most important of all. They are the Offensive Tackle, Guard, and Center positions that make up the offensive line. Today, I shall be reviewing the Guard position, and I shall list all of the players that have a chance to play in that position.
Travelle Wharton - Projected starter - 6,4 312 pounds ((6th year, South Carolina))
Travelle Wharton is a pretty big guy in the middle of the line. He's proven his worth time and time again, and he was rewarded in 2008 with a 6 year extension to lock him in till 2013.
The most important aspect that Wharton has in his game is the versatility to move around. He can play both tackle and guard, so if Jeff Otah was to go down from injury we could move Wharton over to tackle and throw Duke Robinson into the game and we'd be set to go. Sure, Wharton is better at Guard than tackle, but we don't take a huge dip in the effectiveness of the O-Line either. There are many teams in the NFL that don't have that luxury. The Panthers are not one of them. Barring injury, he will start.
Possibility of starting 100%
Keydrick Vincent- Projected Starter - 6,5 325 pounds ((9th year, Mississippi))
Believe it or not, Keydrick Vincent is a guy that went undrafted in the 2001 NFL Draft. He was picked up in UFA by the Pittsburgh Steelers, and a few years later he was able to win the starting job and play a full season at guard in 2004. From there, he was cut and spent years on the Ravens and the Cardinals squads before joining the Panthers in 2008.
Here, he lasted almost a full season before going down to injury in Week 15. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he's an injury risk. Once you count out 2004, he has never managed to start a full year. For the time he is on the field however, he is a capable player. And with the drafting of Duke Robinson in the 5th round, the aging veteran has a player to tutor under him. Vincent has a few years worth of football left in the tank, and he will contribute to a strong rushing attack this year.
Possibility of starting 80%
Duke Robinson - Projected Backup - 6,5 330 pounds ((Rookie, Oklahoma))
Duke Robinson has a good group of effective tools to use coming out of college. He hails from the college of Oklahoma, whom has created some of the best players currently in the league right now, including Minnesota's RB Adrian Peterson. After being projected to go as high as the late first-early 2nd round, the Carolina Panthers managed to grab him near the end of the 5th round. He has brilliant potential. A nice tall guy, good bulk on him. This year he's going to be a capable backup, and by next year he may be ready to start.
He does have a few knocks on him though. One of the reasons he fell so far was his lack of speed to run forward and take on blocks in the 2nd level. He has to get better. Let's say Ryan Kalil takes care of the DT while Jeff Otah pushes the DE wide and out of the play. If the linebacker is there, he has to be able to run forward and get a good block in order to give Diangelo Williams a decent lane to turn a small play into a big one. He also has that injury tag on him, that kept him out of the Senior Bowl and Combine.
But if he can improve his speed, there is no reason that Duke Robinson can't develop into a starting guard. He may have to drop a few pounds to do so, but he has plenty of weight to play already. Keydrick Vincent's contract expires next year, so don't expect to see him resigned if Duke proves he can handle the job. If his growth goes well, he will be indispensable piece to an already talented O-line.
Possibility of starting 20%, Possibility of making roster 100%
Mackenzy Bernadeau - Projected Backup - 6,4 308 pounds ((2nd year, Bently))
A 7th round pick for the Panthers in 2008, Bernadeau signed an uncharacteristically long 4 year contract to seal him as a player for years to come. He's on his second year, and judging by his contract he will probably make the roster as a project in development. He will continue his work in training camp and on the practice squad, training his skills enough so that perhaps he could take some time in games in the near future or prove to be a good backup.
The biggest thing he can do right now to help his case is continue to work out and put on some meat. He had a very fast 40 time, but some weight would do him wonders like it did to the rest of the O-Line. He's the first player to be drafted from Bently, and in Division II football he never really had that much of a challenge coming at him from out of college. He's pretty much a 'wait and see' player. The Panthers will need him this year for depth, and will probably keep him since he can also play tackle. Still, if he shows no signs to progressing into a capable backup or a starter, the idea of taking him off the roster in the final cut will cross their minds. His chances of staying on the team are just over a coin-flip. He could use a strong camp.
Possibility of making roster, 65%
Justin Geisinger - Suspected cut - 6,2 315 pounds ((4th year, Vanderbilt))
He is a player that has never started a game in his career. A 6th round pick out of Vanderbilt, it will be incredibly tough for him to stay on the roster ahead of Bernadeau. Like Bernadeau, he will need to have a strong camp to stay on the roster. And the Panthers have not invested anything in him other than a contract, so he will probably be cut at the end of training camp.
Possibility of making roster, 10%
C.J. Davis - Suspected cut Cut - 6,2 308 pounds ((Rookie, Pittsburgh))
With the loss of Hangartner, C.J. Davis was picked up as an interesting FA after the draft in order to serve and help players develop in training camp. Irregardless, it may be worth keeping an eye on him in training camp. He had eye-catching statistics during his stint with Pittsburgh, and he was projected as going as high in the 4th round in the draft before he fell like a log. Don't make any mistake, he was picked up as camp meat but he has the capability to perhaps find a place on the roster. He looks more like a center than he does a Guard, which contributes to him being placed at the bottom of this list.
If he has a strong first impact in training camp, he may have a chance especially with his versatility to play multiple positions. Otherwise, expect him to be cut during the first wave. He is a longshot, at best.
Possibility of making roster, 15%
Final thoughts
I imagine we can take one good injury and not have any worries if Duke Robinson is ready to start. However, we'll have to be careful this year to keep our line healthy. With the loss of Bridges, Hangartner, and Omiyale stretches our talent along pretty thin. However, our starting five guys are pretty solid. If they can remain healthy, expect the return of Double Trouble for another decent showing.
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I think Bernadeau has more of a chance of making the team than just a "coin flip."
A few other points:
Vincent could very well end up re-signing with us, depending on his asking price. Our OLine is fairly young, so keeping a solid vet at a relatively low cost would make sense (down the road).
Geisinger’s experience could very well put him over the top. Also, hasn’t he played C and G in the NFL? It seems that he would have a better chance of making the team over Davis.
Will Parker
I didn't hear about him playing center. He did have some time with the Skins and some other team though.
I hope Vincent resigns with us, but next year is uncapped so I would be surprised to see lipstick on a pig come next offseason. I’d love to see him hang around and serve as a mentor to Duke, but I really think that Duke is going to turn out to be a draft gem and beat out Vincent next year. Vincent still has the capability to start, so unless he doesn’t want to risk a serious injury he’ll probably hit the uncapped FA market.
As for Geisinger, I’ll check into him playing center. I never heard anything about that. It would definitely bump up his value though, I’ll agree with you.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Vincent could resign & cutting CJ Davis ??
I agree with most of what you post Revshawn however we need o-line depth so cutting CJ Davis whom was a beast a Pittsburgh makes no sense, hey well at-least be on the P.S. this year. Who knows I hope Bernadeau improves but he seems to be a bust so far. I would like to see him get on the field an prove he can play at-least as a capable backup. Their was a rumor floating around way early in free agency after Hangartner left that Bernadeau would try to learn the center position which we still need a backup for.
As for Vincent if he can stay healthy for the whole season an post-season when we make it he sound be pretty easy to resign. It all depends on his health, but that can also hinder him from getting a new deal plus his age, an the fact that Duke Robinson is right their an should be ready next season to take on a bigger role w/ the starting o-linemen.
Justin Geisinger is similar to a david ball (DE) type guy; same type player with very limited upside an yes I know they play completely different positions however they are the same as far as neither have the goods to start or backup in the NFL. CUT CUT HERE!!
All in all good post an well thought out just a few things I would do different.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 24, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
It's kind of hard to bust as a seventh rounder
and by no means did Bernadeau bust. He worked his way from the PS to the active roster, and has shown enough to warrant the coaching staff’s faith. If Vincent plays well, he will probably seek a larger deal, if he misses a few games and Robinson shows well, we’ll let him walk without much ado.
Dave Ball played well for the Titans last year, right?
by Flowing Willow on Jul 25, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernadeau isn't a bust. He hasn't been given sufficient time to be a bust yet. Haha!
C.J. Davis might make it to the practice squad first of all, I don’t really make PS predictions in my post because it requires to much know-how on the team. In order to make predictions like that, I’d really have to get in there with the team and see whom the team has faith in and whom might develop into good players.
I like the Panthers pick with Mernadeau. He hails from a small school in Division II NCAA so he hasn’t had that much experience going up against talented D-linemen, and he has sufficient size. I figure the Panthers keep him based on the size of his contract and like Willow mentioned how he climbed up the depth chart. The way I look at it is that they view him as a project. They’ll try to develop him into a good backup, but if it doesn’t work out then it’s all good. But they’re not going to rush him and cut him in his second year.
As for Davis, there is only so much hope you can place in a UFA. Usually, players like that are signed for training camp meat. If he proves otherwise then hey, all the NFL Draft scouts are follies once again. It wouldn’t have been the first time that happened cough steve cough smith cough
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Nice one Revshawn
“someone has to do the dirty work” You got that right! I LOVE DeAngelo. Great attitude, never complains, makes big plays, fun to watch on and off the field… But no way he’s has that season without this O-line. And it started preseason against Washington… I remember seeing humongous holes being created and thinking “this year is going to be a good year”.
I think Vincent doesn’t get enough credit. We were stronger running the ball to the right when he was in the game. The durability problem is too bad because I think he was one of the biggest keys to our running game last year.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Haha,
My “This is going to be a great year.” moment came during that lass pass at San Diego. The Panthers practically won the Super Bowl that day. Haha!
I’m a little worried about the age with our guards. Vincent was a great addition to our line no question, and for the time he played he was a great help. If we stay healthy, we have the best line in the league I bet.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
That was a good one too
I was watching with some guys, and when Rosario came down with the ball the whole house just went berserk.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Ditto - Nice one Revshawn
It’s blogs like this that are squeezing copy off the papers because of the deep content. I don’t know if some of you guys are professionally attached to the media or Panthers, but the depth of analysis is a joy to read for this fan.
Thanks for your research and your time.
Thank you guys for reading!
You’re all awesome. I can’t wait for the season to get going again.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
CCR
I’m I the only one who thought it was kinda like the radio stuff on Madden? Maybe it’s because I’m on my laptop and not in my car. Anyway, great job Rev and now I have another place to get my Panthers fix.
It was 1 in the morning my time
I nearly woke up the rest of the family. : D
by Flowing Willow on Jul 26, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
I’m at my parents house for the week and my mom was like what the hell was that!?
by Strickland843 on Jul 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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