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The Future of Carolina Wide Receivers

 

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One of the big stories this year for Panthers fans is going to be the development of our young wide receivers. As much as we would like to keep Steve Smith and Moose 27 forever, the reality is that Smitty is now 30 and Moose is 36. What of our youngest receivers? Will they be able to fill the shoes of their predecessors now and in the future? Let's take a look at those most likely to be making an impact on the Panthers for years to come after the jump...

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The Candidates

Dwayne Jarrett - #80 - Age: 22 - Experience: 3yrs.

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Everything hinges on Jarrett, and how he matures in his Junior year in the league.

Jarrett is a monster of a target @ 6'4" 220lbs. Which makes him suited for the possesion receiver role flanking Smitty. He is NOT a slot receiver, and we did not draft him to be. We drafted him as a replacement for Keyshawn Johnson. Where we screwed up was getting an itchy trigger finger and releasing Johnson right away. He could have been a great athletic mentor for the kid (definately not advocating a moral mentor here) because like him or not, he had sticky hands, he could make the tough catch over the middle, and we could have had his services for another year. Remember, it is not often a rookie WR sees hardly any time his rookie year.

We got wise in his 2nd year, brought back a familiar target in Moose, and in the process gained a VERY valuable mentor for Dwayne. A character mentor, an athletic mentor, and better yet... someone who can teach him to use that big body to BLOCK. However, as we all know, Moose is in his twilight and we need to find out this year if Jarrett can be the guy to replace him. We won't be able to judge that by his receiving numbers. We need to watch the kid on playaction, and see how he does. If I'm the Panthers, running a run-oriented offense out of a 2 or 3 WR set, I watch and see if Jarrett gets that initial block at the line of scrimmage to shake up his man, then can release properly, find a seam, and give Jake a nice open target just behind the linebackers to hit. Once he has proven that, I say you give him a rep or two at flanker, and let him block on normal run plays. If he can do that, and make the catches necessary, we don't need to seek someone else next year. If he proves ineffective yet again next year, it is time to declare him either a bust or a very long term project. At which time, depending on Moose's health we will need to either retain him, or bring in another veteran Possession/Blocking WR to replace him. Hines Ward perhaps? Hey, we can dream right?

Ryne Robinson #10 Age: 24 - Experience: 3yrs.

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Ryne Robinson appears to be the #2 speed WR option on the roster behind Smitty. Standing 5'9" 179lbs. he is the exact same size as Smitty. His 40 time is clocked at 4.47 according to his NFL combine results in 2007. Steve Smith runs a 4.38. While the comparisons here look very good as far as numbers go, it has yet to be determined if Ryne Robinson has the big play ability Steve Smith has. He hasn't got many reps at WR, so we don't have a good idea of his hands or his tenacity in going up to get the ball which we know Smitty does better than anyone in the league. We did get a look at his elusiveness as a return man, but, I don't remember seeing anything spectacular. Look for him only to see play time in 4WR formations for now. He will need to dearly impress the coaching staff this season to convince them not to spend a high pick on a true speed WR in next years draft to groom as "the next big thing" in Charlotte.

Jason Carter - #11 - Age: 26 - Experience: 3yrs.

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After blowing out a knee 10 months ago, Jason Carter is back on the field at OTA's and is showing little signs of regressing after the injury. He is apparently making cuts without hesitation, and working without a brace. That is good news for him, because to make the roster he will need to be very impressive throughout the summer. I bet the Panthers give him the longest look of any WR on the fence due to his potential, but it will still take a lot to grab a roster spot. Standing 6'0 205lbs. and turning in a 40 time pre-injury of 4.65 he does not clearly fit the speed or possession WR roles. The knock against him in college was poor hands, if his hands have not improved, combined with the knee surgery fallout this may be his last chance.

Mike Goodson - #33 - Age: 22 - Experience: Rookie

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Yes, I know that Goodson is listed as a RB. But what we have here folks is a true athelete. Standing 6'0 196lbs. with a combine 40 time of 4.54 he was a dual threat RB in college, and expected to be as such on the Panthers roster. Scouts rave about his hands and elusiveness, and the tape is there to prove it. He also possesses some of the best vision I have seen when it comes to his running, even in the open field. The Panthers have been giving him time at slot WR, and while that is expected to be Dwayne Jarrett's temporary role, it is not where he is suited long term. He is expected to make the roster for a number of reasons, mainly as another component to our powerhouse running game, but over time he will probably see looks in the passing game, as well as return duties. Considering the youth we have at RB, he may make a transition to officially being a WR. who knows?

Going Forward

This is a critical year for the Panthers at the WR spot. We have a selection of 3rd year guys who need to prove they can be the future, and they need to do it now. The Panthers have a sterling reputation of building through the draft, but if these younger guys do not pan out, we need to be prepared to sign a veteran as a stop gap depending on Moose by the end of the year.

My Predictions

Although we have heard it before, I truly believe that Dwayne Jarrett will come around this year after having had the tutelage of Moose and the motivation of a "put up or shut up" year incoming. All the tools are there, and we need to make sure he spends a lot of time on the field on Sundays. I do not think we will be drafting another possession WR anytime soon.

That said, we should spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on someone that we hope truly has a chance to replace Smitty someday. If not this year, then a first rounder the next. He is not getting any younger, and we need to start grooming someone as soon as possible. I do not think Ryne Robinson is the answer, and in fact, I dont know if his job is secure other than the fact we dont have much depth behind him. I'd really like to believe the successor to Steve Smith is on our roster right now, but I just don't see it.

Just for fun I will toss in a poll... those are always good for discussion.

 


 


Poll
When should the Panthers address the age of their Wide Receivers?
They don't need to, the answers are on the roster right now.
7 votes
They should attempt to find a young guy in free agency ASAP.
1 votes
They should draft someone next year
17 votes
They should draft someone in the next 3 years
15 votes
Let's inject Adamantium straight into the skeletal system of Smitty and make him invincible
21 votes

61 votes | Poll has closed

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Check out Jason Carters picture.

The girl with the water bottle is telling him to use his head.

At kick/punt returner, we have plenty of candidates. John Fox and the staff did a good job with providing Ryne Robinson with plenty of competition. I agree with you on almost all points.

1. Dwayne Jarrett will take the 3rd year leap.

2. We need to spend a draft pick sometime in the future to try to get a true #1 receiver.

But I’ll digress here and add onto it. We got exceptionally lucky with Smith. The first thing we have to realize here is that talent like Steve Smith does not come around all the time. The best thing we could try to do is take WR’s in the 2nd round in hopes that one of them will mature to be a replacement.

We got Steve Smith following one rule: To draft by talent other than need. Sometimes the best thing to do is to draft the best player you know that’s still on the board rather than the most important player they have at that position. Perhaps one day when we roll the dice the dice will fall into our favor and we get another Smitty, who knows? Until then, we’ll just have to do the best with what we have.

3. I believe with the addition of Mike Goodson, we’ll only hold 5 wideouts on game day. He’s good enough to be a receiver if we activate him, and yet he can be another RB for us if we lose Williams or Stewart.

4. I’ll disagree with you a little bit on Jason Carter. As a rookie out in training camp, he looked pretty good. And though he’s not the fastest receiver on the field, he has that playmaking ability that Smitty has where he makes circus catches, and he runs pretty decent routes. I think he has the highest ceiling of all the wideouts we have, and though he’ll never be a starter I think he may be a good fit in the slot given a few years to improve. He’s certainly better than all the rookies we brought in to compete with him.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

leave it to me

To post an article on pretty much the exact same topic you did for a featured article on the exact same day and near the same time.

I guess our articles are a little different yours is about the present, mine is more about the future. but still =P

I agree that a guy like Steve Smith doesn’t come around every year, and you never know where you will find him. We will be lucky to find a WR with 80% of the talent Smith has to fill that starting role and be solid. Also, as we have seen, immense talent can be buried in drafts and come from obscure places. Marques Colston, 7th round from Hofstra anyone?

  1. I definately dont see us holding a 6th wide receiver on gameday given the versatility of Goodson. We will need that extra spot, perhaps to have both Brad Hoover and Tony Fiametta on the roster. That way we have an emergency 4th RB and we get to pull Hoover along until Fiametta is ready for the job of starting FB.

All I was saying with Carter is that he has a tough road ahead coming off that big injury. I agree we didnt bring in a rookie worth mentioning to compete with him, and he will probably make the team as depth. However, that isnt a lock, there are still plenty of FA WRs out there that need a job. Once we get our rookies signed, we can see what is left over to offer them if needed.

by Tater596 on Jul 2, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could well only go with 4 active wideouts with Goodson on the roster, even.

We did it several times last year.

Also, the trend has proven that the only sure thing wideouts are the absolute top-flight college guys who are picked early in the first round.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah active wideouts I'm sure.

I was talking about our overall roster though. That we could just keep 5 wideouts and let Goodson take over if someone goes down.

4 wideouts on game day I agree with you. More than 4 would be a bit crazy.

Another think I’ll add is that Dwayne Jarrett might have to wait till Moose retires before we really, really see what he is capable of. With Smash and Dash on the field, they aren’t going to be breaking out the 3 WR set as much anymore.

If John Fox gives Jake Delhomme the ball 40 times again though like he did last playoff game, whether we win or not I won’t care. I’ll still call for his head. lol

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 2, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

34 times, but point taken...

Although he did ok in a February game a few years back where he threw 33 times.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was on his way to 40 balls.

But alas, 5 INT’s. :(

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 3, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny that you mentioned the trainer in the pic.

She looks familiar to me. I think her name is Amanda and was an athletic trainer w/ncsu football. Do you know when the pic was taken? OTA’s? Minicamp?

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 5, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couple notes...

Robinson:

  • He wasn’t much less productive than Jarrett when both were rookies
  • He did average 31.7 yards on kickoff returns and 15.5 yards on punts in his last two games of his rookie year, so he’s shown he can be a solid returner (albeit in a very small window)
    Carter:
  • I think his game speed definitely is faster than that 4.6 40 time.
  • He may have been knocked for his hands, but the last few camps, he’s always been reported to have been catching everything in sight, and I’ve read several times that he always works extra reps on the Juggs.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

My biff with Robinson is that he has to be more consistent and avoid injuries. And he needs to hold onto the football. I remember a game during his rookie year, I can’t remember which one it was, but Ryne tried to catch the ball on a kickoff return and he dropped it to the ground. The ball went to his side of the field the rest of the game, and it gave the other team confidence to really just slaughter him.

I would have went with Mark Jones any day. He wasn’t fast enough to turn a kickoff into a TD, but boy could he could find that seam. If Ryne can learn how to run like that, I’ll be satisfied.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Ryne a shot with the current personnel and blocking schemes...

Not to mention a second season, then we can call him done. Remember, it took Jones five years in the league to really break out, and he didn’t have half the talent at receiver that Robinson does.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't saying Ryne isnt a decent player

He just is not, and probably never will be, the future at wideout. He’ll provide good depth, and could possibly develop into the true slot receiver, but I just dont see starter potential in him. That is my opinion though.

It was hard to be less productive than Jarrett that rookie season. I think entering the NFL at 20 years old and not really having a mentor to learn from on the team really stymied his growth back then. If he is to develop into the receiver the Panthers want him to be, I hope he is spending long hours observing, practicing with, and talking to, Moose. He didn’t come out of college as a stud. He came out with pretty high billing, but not the type of “guaranteed stud” talk you saw surrounding Calvin Johnson, or what you are seeing right now with Michael Crabtree. He could easily just have been a product of the USC machine.

Either way, he has the physical credentials to excel as a true possession receiver and someone who could be a big red zone threat. His height, speed, and jumping ability will make him a mismatch on any #2 corner in the league.

by Tater596 on Jul 3, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carter really reminds me of Ricky Proehl the one year I saw him play

If Jake was in trouble, he always had a target to check down to in Proehl, and that’s what our passing game has been missing, a reliable checkdown. Carter can be that. I also think that while we should be thinking about finding Smiths replacement, there is no rush. Smith could probably play forever like Joey Galloway and still be effective.

by Flowing Willow on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Since this post is about the future here is my prediction:
  1. - Smitty
  2. - Jarrett
  3. - Robinson
  4. - Goodson?? It doesn’t really matter unless Fox and the run oriented system is gone.

I do think we will want to draft a WR in 2011 in the 1st or 2nd round to start grooming behind Smitty b/c at best Jarrett is a #2 and Robinson is a #3. Smitty showed that he was a true playmaker even as a rookie punt and kick returner. I think Robinson can be a good player, but he is not in Smitty’s class.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jul 5, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But...

Given his status as a former draft pick (and his actual regular season game experience), Robinson will obviously be given every chance to win the job.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 6, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Results are in..

Other than the option of making Smitty live forever (which i love that so many people voted for) among the serious answers to the poll, it seems that Panther fans are split on when we should start the process of finding a successor, but the successor is most likely not on the roster right now. I think this is just about right, we are merely speculating on the longevity of Steve Smith, whether he will have the “Joey Galloway” genes or not. But it seems we all think within the next three years he will start to show signs of wear and we need to have a special kid in line to replace him.

Anyone have a bead on some up and coming college receivers that are showing big promise as “something special” to be the next big thing in the NFL?

by Tater596 on Jul 6, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The big prospects next year are...

Arrelious Benn (Illinois)
Golden Tate (ND)
Brandon LaFell (LSU)
Eric Decker (Minnesota) – Some mocks already have us looking at Decker as an early-round pick next year as a possession guy to replace Moose if Jarrett continues not to pan out.
Damian Williams (USC)
Marshawn Gilyard (Cincy)
Jordan Shipley (Texas)
Michael Moore (UGA)

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post Tater

I think Robinson has the upper hand on Carter because of his ability in the return game and as a receiver. I’m thinking this is Robinson’s break out season.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sure hope you are right

I’d love to see all these third year guys have the traditional WR coming out party. My priority and I hope the coaching staff’s priority is to make sure that Jarrett finds his groove.

by Tater596 on Jul 8, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly...

…they had Jason Carter doing return duty at one point, too. Then his injury took him out of that possibility. Still, he had the coaches’ confidence at some point to take on that role. Ryne’s got a better track record (collegiately) doing it, though.

by NSpicer on Jul 8, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

He was doing most of the returns during the preseason last year. He actually tore his knee up on a PR, IIRC.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Carter is the better wideout

Robinson may or may not be the better return man, we’ll just have to wait for TC. Everyone, circle August 20 on your calendar (I think, not quite sure) If it’s not for training camp, it’ll be two days before my B-day. Gives you an excuse to have a beer. : )

by Flowing Willow on Jul 9, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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