Panthers Rushing Attack Ranked #1 by Foxsports
From FoxSports:Does anyone outside of Charlotte even know what DeAngelo Williams looks like? Maybe not, but someone put this dude on a poster — check his obscene numbers from '08: 1,515 rushing yards (third in NFL), 5.5 yards per carry (first among No. 1 RBs, only the Giants' Derrick Ward was better) and 20 total touchdowns (most in NFL). And John Stewart's not just a cable talk-show host. Carolina's No. 1A RB scored 10 rushing TDs and nearly reached 1,000 yards on his own. The Panthers also really like rookie Mike Goodson after his strong OTAs, plus Brad Hoover gives the run-heavy team solid depth as a blocker, runner and receiver when his number is called.
I usually don't like hype surrounding our team, but the guys have really earned it. No love to our OL, but they are a great asset and will be a humongous reason for our success.
Thoughts?
The rest of the Top 10 is as follows:
2. Vikings
3. Titans
4. Falcons
5. Giants
6. Chargers
7. Ravens
8. Cowboys
9. Dolphins
10. Jets
(and the Browns were #32)
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Nice find Bomb
I’m surprised they put us over the Vikings. With AP they would be the one team I would think could rush more than the Panthers.
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by Jaxon on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it had to do with our bigger name #2 and FB.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Father's Day...
I received a copy of Lindys magazine that featured D-Will on the cover. They also had the Panthers as the #1 rushing team. They also had the Panthers losing to the Eagles in the NFC playoffs. Boo. Gotta love predictions.
by Davejinxer on Jul 1, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
vikings
I think D-Will actually played better than AP last year, with more YPC and more TDs. The difference is that AP had more touches because he doesn’t have a #2 like J-Stew. We will be the #1 rushing team. The Giants are too high. Ward is gone and Bradshaw isn’t that good. The Titans are too high because I think White has already reached his potential. I think the Cowboys will be a much better running team when they realize Felix Jones should get the ball the most.
by usana_gaines on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chester Taylor is a pretty good #2 back.
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by NaGaNole on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
But he’s on the downside of his career and Stewart is better.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely correct! I could not have said it better.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradshaw isn't that good?
How do you figure? He’s averaging over 6 YPC for his career.
LenDale White can keep getting as good as he wants to be. Most of his issues were conditioning and fitness-related.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bradshaw
bradshaw isn’t that good. 6 ypc on 90 carries in 27 games over two years. he gets the ball in garbage time and has been suspended more games (4) than he has career rushing TDs (2).
White will continue to have fitness/conditioning issues and has already reached his peak because he has already worked as hard as he is gonna work.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused...
A: What is the relevance of a suspension to a player’s ability?
B: Have you talked to Mr. White? Has he told you this? He’s reportedly been playing at offseason workouts at 229 lbs. He played last year over 260! You might also want to note that he’s in a contract year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with MP
Some of the NFLs finest players get suspended all the time :)
Beyond that, point B is totally true. Lendale has shown up this year lighter and motivated. I dont know how much he will miss that weight when its time for him to Bellyflop in the endzone. If he has transfered that guy weight to leg strength, the Titans will really be a force this year.
by Tater596 on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
It’s okay if you’re confused. His suspension is a part of the total package. He doesn’t play much, and when he does, he doesn’t deliver much. Maybe he’ll do more this year, but to say the Giants rushing attack is better than ours when their #2 RB has only 90 carries is a bit far-fetched. By the way, why is it that you have more positive things to say about Bradshaw than D-Will when D-Will has more rushing TDs in his last game against the Giants than Bradshaw has in his career?
As for your boy LenDale, you can defend him all you want. I’m glad that he lost a lot of weight to look good over the summer. We’ll see if either of your favorite two RBs play at a level comparable to D-Will this year, or ever.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say they were better...
I suggested that Bradshaw is better than “not good.” I would say precisely the same thing about Williams, promise.
And, again, I didn’t say White was “my boy” by any means. I simply responded to your assertion that he “will continue to have fitness/conditioning issues and has already reached his peak because he has already worked as hard as he is gonna work” when he’s clearly shown a capacity to be in better shape than he was last year, when he had a fine season. You can be a homer all you want, but I’m going to acknowledge that there are good players that don’t play for this team.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but i think White isn’t one of them by choice. When he was drafted, I thought he was the best RB of the class. I was wrong, but not because of his lack of talent, but because of his lack of dedication. I don’t think much will change this year, but if I’m wrong, so be it.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If not much changes...
He goes around 800-15. I think that’s a pretty solid season, particularly for a young player who’s gotten in better shape and could certainly still have some untapped potential.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However...
I will say there is some risk in such a severe weight loss. He could certainly lose some of his power that made him so effective as a short-yardage/inside back last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will have more power. He should be faster and stronger. Speed x force = power.
Where he may have issues is being able to break tackles. He will have less weight to “drag” down at times when his momentum has slowed. I am expecting him to have more yards, but maybe not as many TD’s.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or give the ball to Tashard Chice!
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by Jaxon on Jul 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vikings
I think they have a little bit better rushing attack then ours. Since they have one if not the best RBs in the game. Also they have Chester Taylor who could be compared to Stewie and then our O-lines are tied IMO.
by chinchillas sword on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hoover is better than Tahi.
And they gave some credit for Goodson as the #3. Their #3 is Maurice Hicks, a career returner/special-teamer.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing I have been most happy about since the 08 off-season is giving our offense an identity.
There were times that we wanted to run the ball and did, over and over, only to have a 3rd and 7. We had nothing to “hang our hat on.” When the FO drafted J-Stew, traded for Otah and re-tooled the OL, they sent a message. Now we have the foundation laid for the next few years to have an elite running attack. Hopefully we can stop the run too.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just impressed...
…with how quickly Fox and Hurney pulled off the transformation of our running game. It certainly benefited a lot from playing weak defenses against the run last season. But this year, they should hopefully have another year of experience, the best continuity we’ve had in…forever!, and loads more confidence than our offense has ever shown.
by NSpicer on Jul 6, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant argue with that top ten
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 1, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
Brad Hoover, an asset as a runner and receiver? Maybe five years ago.
Also, since when is J-Stew going by John. If anything, it’d be Jon.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, who is this new John Stewart we have at RB?
by Strickland843 on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see them acknowledge us for something. I still think if the O-line can stay relatively healthly, the Panthers will have the leagues #1 rushing offense. Unless we call pass, pass, pass, again throughout an entire game….
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by Ivan459 on Jul 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*healthy I should say
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by Ivan459 on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah i know what deangelo looks like..
Nothing against him he’s up there with the top backs in the league but hes one ugly guy
by onlypantherfanintown on Jul 1, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also..
the one thing he is missing to be the best in the league is breakaway speed. he just can’t outrun the secondary, thats why i think goodson was a great choice, now we have everything we need. A guy who can cut, a power back, and a guy with breakaway speed
by onlypantherfanintown on Jul 1, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stewart's definitely faster, FWIW
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Predictable Procto, once again discrediting everything that D Williams has done and did last season. LOL. Its amazing, he’s quick to disregard the one guy who shined on offense all last season but bring up Delhomme and how ineffectively inconsistant he is and Procto comes to his rescue. LOL. I enjoy your predictable, one sided views Procto, it always brings a smile to my face!
by D.W.G. on Jul 1, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, how is stating a fact one-sided?
Williams: 4.55 40 at 218 lbs.
Stewart: 4.48 40 at 235.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say...
that I agree with you MP. I’m not saying that Williams is faster, but there’s the combine speed, and then there’s the game speed. Williams definitely doesn’t run like the 4.55 that combine result shows. But we haven’t seen JStew’s game speed yet. Once he’s free of injury, I’m sure he’ll run as fast as Williams maybe faster who knows?
by Shockers on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't?
The boy broke away several times last season. The GB game is one example (although he cramped up before he could make it to the end zone.)
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a result, my Dad nicknamed him......
Cramp. So now we have Cramp and Dash. : D
by Flowing Willow on Jul 2, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure where your numbers came from, but...
D-Will ran a 4.40 40 at his Pro Day at Memphis before he was drafted. Got that from http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2006/players/running_backs.htm
I found different stats on J-Stew from a 4.48 to a 4.35. Either way, I think watching them play, you can see Stew is faster, but both are fast and both run people over. To insult D-Will as a guy who’s soft is just wrong. Before someone wants to argue that, just look up D-Will highlights on youtube, and you’ll see how good he is. Discrediting D-Will doesn’t make sense. He got over 5 ypc with the same line that Foster was using for 3.5, and last year had more ypc and TDs than every RB who went to the Pro Bowl.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who used the word soft?
My numbers came from both of their combines, which is as close to official as 40 times are gonna get. The environment is controlled (it’s not a sprint track, there’s no tail wind), and the timing is electronic (as opposed to the manual times coaches are going to give out for their own players.) And again, Williams did have a good YPC before last year, but he was used in situations that allowed him to do so. Foster wore down defenses (ineffective though he may have been), and Williams broke off long runs once the games were already decided.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soft
If you never called him soft, then I take that comment back. No harm, no foul.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure they use hand times at the combine in Indy.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of.
Each scout obviously takes their own times, but the official, published “combine time” comes off of a semi-electronic time. Though the time is started by hand, the final time is recorded electronically after the player reaches the finish.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 7, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
40 stats really indicate potential...
Look, the forty is different from the field.
The field adds:
1. Up to 30 pounds tape, helmet and pads.
2. 300lb guys trying to squish you.
3. 200lb guys trying to kamikaze you.
4. Turf indentations, dirt flying in your eye.
5. “Why won’t my blocker just block and get out of my way!?”
Not saying the 40 isn’t important, but it ain’t everything. D-Will proved his mettle as a starting 1500-yard guy. Never been done before in blue and black. J-Stew followed with 800 on the ground and 10 TDs as a rookie. Good enough for me in this league. I’m a believer.
by Barbados on Jul 2, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct.
My argument was never that Williams was not fast or not good. Just that Stewart has more pure speed, particularly for his size.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised
Williams has always looked faster to me. Maybe he is just quicker to the hole which should improve for J-Stew. Man when it does look out!
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by Jaxon on Jul 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
We have a great blog here, take your personal comments/attacks back to the observer or somewhere else, they are not needed here
by ClaytonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams is pretty freakin fast
You don’t put up 15 runs of over 20 yards without being really fast (only AP had more with 20), 5 of which went for 40+. He can usually outrun 3 of 4 players in the secondary
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by Jaxon on Jul 1, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do when your line makes holes a truck can fit through
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point being made here...
we are talking about a .1 second difference in speed over a 40 yard distance, which means at best one will beat the other from endzone to endzone in a quarter of a second. That small a difference in speed can be made up by a number of conditions. What is important is footwork and running style. This is what I like about the Williams/Stewart combo. You dont lose any speed from one to the next, you just change running styles. You get Williams, who would rather make you miss with a nifty move, and then you get Stewie who would rather just plow you over, both running at the same speed. If I’m a linebacker, I really wouldn’t enjoy getting my ankles broken by Williams, just to get knocked on my ass by Stewart.
I spoke earlier about Goodson. If you watch tape of the kid, he certainly is a scat-back. He breaks a few tackles, but never runs anyone over. I dont know if he would break those tackles at the NFL level, but what I love about him is his vision. Watch how he knows where his blockers are and runs behind them to produce his home run gains.
by Tater596 on Jul 2, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't disagree with anything you said here.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have said it any better
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by Jaxon on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay MP, explain something
What do you have against D-Will? Explain why you think Stewie should get more carries than him.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that question.
Size. With the play making ability almost the same, you’d rather have the bigger back banging around against the LBs and DBs to wear them down for the 4th quarter. Also, bigger guys are less likely to lose yards (I’m not saying D-Will does, just a generalization).
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by NaGaNole on Jul 3, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams did have a nasty tendency to get hit for losses early on...
It did get way better last year, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's got a more balanced overall skillset.
He’s got as much if not more speed to go with a definite upgrade in power. In addition, I think he was already a better blocker last year in pass pro than Williams was. Also, he’s under contract for longer, so it will help ease the transition if/when Williams leaves.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer to keep them both, with Williams taking the bigger share of carries.
One of the keys to running an offense is attacking a team in many diverse ways. Williams has already proved though that he can break tackles and prove himself to be a back at the same level as AP, just with less carries.
The biggest knock I have on Stewart is that he’s injury prone. It’s been the knock on him coming out of college, and I wouldn’t want to risk him staying on the field too long and getting wore out. That’s the most common time an injury occurs, and I’d rather have Williams on the field since he’s more durable. I’m not doubting that his talent is on the same level as Williams. He’s a big body, and he’s one of those backs that hardly gets hit in the backfield for a loss.
But remember his sore toe last year during training camp, remember the leg cramp he had against Green Bay that cost us a TD, and remember his sore Achilles that he has had during the OTA’s that has kept him from practicing. What I don’t know is whether Stewart can withstand a whole year as a future back. What I do know is Williams can, and he can be very effective while doing so.
So that’s why I’d stick with him.
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by Revshawn on Jul 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Rev said
D-Will is durable, I remember one time Ted Washington fell on him though, that knocked him out for a few weeks. I do thing D-Will should get the majority, because he definitely plays faster than Stewie and has the big play ability. Stewie really didn’t impress me with big plays, I loved his smashmoth style, but D-Wills slashing runs made me jump. Although Williams did get hit for losses early on, I remember multiple times this year when he turned a 3 yard loss into a 4 yard gain. He also seemed to improve remarkably in pass-blocking as well, though listening on the radio I couldn’t really tell.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 5, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stewart's injuries are a concern.
I expressed some concern after we drafted him about how many “dings” he’s had going back as far as high school, and got ripped for it. And although the other injuries are legit, I can’t say that I’m going to get too mad at a backup RB who was on his third carry on a 37-degree day.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 6, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that type of thinking then shouldn't we do the opposite?
I am refering to “. . . he’s under contract for longer, so it will help ease the transition if/when Williams leaves.”
If that was the case, wouldn’t you want to save Stew’s body by giving D-Will the most carries? That way Stew has less carries on his body, if D-Will leaves.
This is all hypothetical, so do not yell, scream, or curse me.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
We know what Williams can do with 20 carries behind this line. I just don’t want to take the risk of having Stewart as our only option if DW leaves having never carried the full load.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chester Taylor is no Jonathan Stewart
While impressive in a backup role, Taylor looks only as good as that O-Line allows him to be. AP is as good as advertised, and on his own could turn that #32 Browns ranking into a #10, because he is a game changing back. I dont think Taylor deserves that honor.
On the other hand, I think both DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart are game changing backs. They both have proven on a professional level to be exactly what they were in college, not to mention they are both much younger than Chester Taylor. The jury is still out on Mike Goodson, the film looks good, he certainly was a game changer at TAMU, but I would like to see him on the field not just as a 3rd running back, but also on 4WR sets. You cant just predict when you are going to need that home run speed… it needs to be available all the time so defenses cant soften up the middle to protect the edges.
There is another 3 headed monster in play though that may be just as dangerous. Marion Barber III, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice in Dallas. Let us not forget Jones was averaging 19 YPC until getting hurt last year. The difference tho is in the O-Line.
So congrats to the cats on their #1 rushing ranking.
by Tater596 on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea for Goodson. I’d also like to see him handle the return duties. If he can be as explosive as people think he can be, then we need to maxamize his touches. Robinson hasn’t shown us much as a return man, I think Goodson deserves a shot.
by bravesfan91 on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson only had one year at it, and he was great at the end of it.
I don’t know why it is peopl eare so quick to write him off. Further, Goodson has no experience on returns.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I do not understand either. Outta sight outta mind, I guess.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What remains to be seen is...
…whether or not his recovery is truly 100% now. He tried to rush it last year and they put him on IR so he could heal more completely. Did it work? Or has he lost a step? If he can pick up where he left off…maybe he sticks. But if he’s slowed at all, one of the others could beat him out.
by NSpicer on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word on the street is...
He’s looked very good through this portion of the offseason work.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 7, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to call a guy a game-changer when he never really earned many carries.
(Goodson)
And Jones was at 9 YPC, not quite 19. (Probably a typo, yes?)
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rate the Vikings over us, but only slightly.
The Giants, Titans, Falcons, and Ravens are also competitors. In the end though, you could really put any of those teams towards the top and have them be pretty decent.
The thing about the Panthers is this though, we have two decent backs. Both can carry the weight of this team. Let’s take a quick look at the carry numbers of some of the other backs. First our own backs, and then theirs.
DeAngelo Williams 273, 5.5 average rushing
Jonathan Stewart 184 4.5
Now the other teams
Adrian Peterson ((Vikings)): 363, 4.8 average rushing
Brandon Jacobs ((Giants)): 219, 5.0
Michael Turner ((Falcons)): 376, 4.5
Chris Johnson ((Titans)): 251, 4.9
The Falcons are turning Michael Turner into a cowbell back, and the Giants lost their secondary back behind Brandon Jacobs. And sure all of these backs are good, but Williams has that 5.5 average rush edge over them all. Also, Peterson and Turner are both coming off their first year of being a cowbell back their previous year, and statistics show that sometimes that can add up to a drop in production.
I still can’t let go of that statistic. 5.5 yards per rush. Makes you wonder how good the Panthers rushing attack might have been in 05-07 if he had started as the primary running back, not Foster.
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by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would worry about AP getting that many carries again this season
The Vikings should hope to be able to reduce that. I always think of the way the Falcons burned out Jamal Anderson with his 410 carry season.
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by Jaxon on Jul 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang turner had alot of carries. I guess he welcomed that after sitting behind LT for years
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
It was noted how much fresher he was than most marquee FA RBs ihs age due to his having been a backup.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am expecting a drop off in AP and Turner this year b/c of the amt of carries they had.
I heard that the Falcons want to give Norwood more carries this year for that reason.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably worth noting that it's easier to keep your YPC up on fewer carries.
You can stay fresher and the OC can pick your spots better for you..
And, again, Williams struggled when asked to carry the load for the Panthers earlier in his career. Our line wasn’t as good and he wasn’t, either. Have you forgotten how much the players and coaches were raving about his improvement last summer?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
incorrect
what you’re saying is just wrong. As a rookie, he played well, averaging 4.1 ypc with only two games of 20 carries or more, one at 5.7 ypc and the other at 3.9. In 2007, he had 2 100-yd games, one of which came on only 10 carries. He had a 75 yd run that game, but he’s not that fast. he averaged 1.5 ypc more than foster. you saw what he did last year. his improvement that everyone talked about was in blocking, specifically blitz pick-up.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Untrue.
First, the improvements people were talking about were across the board. His conditioning and work ethic was noted, as well as his improved vision and decisiveness when hitting the hole. Second, look at how and in what circumstances those big games came: His first big game (the 114-yard performance as a rookie) came in a blowout; the numbers count, yes, but you’ve got to take them with a grain of salt in a game where most of the starters weren’t playing deep into the game. In his next 20-carry game, he only averaged 3.9 YPC (still, though, a decent game that we needed in a close matchup with Atlanta.) The next big game (101 vs. ARI) was, as you mentioned, aided heavily by the 75-yard run. Finally, his good game in the last week@Tampa in ’07 was mostly made in the 4th-quarter as we ran out the clock (81 of his 121), and, to boot, the Bucs were resting the vast majority of their starters.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder
i’m gonna take this in a different direction because i think we are both Panther fans till the end. I wonder if there is anything about D-Will’s game you do like. I think you agree that our disagreements about 2006 and 2007 aren’t really all that important.
I think J-Stew should get more carries, and D-Will should get more screens.
by usana_gaines on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's plenty to like about his game.
Like I said, I think he made vast improvements to his game prior to last season. He was more decisive in picking a hole and going (although the improved line play probably made those choices easier), he ran tougher after (and through) contact than he ever had before, and he holds on to the ball. Those are all good things. I also agree with the notion that he can be a weapon in the passing game. One thing I would definitely like to see him continuing to improve in is his pass protection skills. He did get better last year (although it’d be hard not to improve from his flail and miss tactics of before), but there were still times he got beat bad. So how’s that?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MP, I thnk the reason you catch flack...
…is because of the amount of vitriol you used in dissing Deangelo Williams prior to last season. It was so much greater than any praise you’ve offered since he stepped up. So that’s why people interpret your comments about Deangelo and Stewart a little more negatively than you might otherwise mean them.
Just my two-cents of psycho-analysis, ;-)
—Neil
by NSpicer on Jul 5, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also you come across sometimes as a bit of a smarty-pants
Don’t get me wrong here, we need a guy on here who will go look up obscure stats, but when you have your opinion, you tend to present it as the only right one, which rubs some people wrong.
But we love you anyways. : D
by Flowing Willow on Jul 5, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the whole tribute to Vinnie Testaverde Williams gave?
That because of Vinnie he worked harder than ever and that’s what he attributed his break out year too. Per Williams anyway.
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by Jaxon on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the famous, "I Kneeled at the Vinne Testaverde Shrine and Found Wisdom" article. I remember it well.
by Barbados on Jul 2, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear...
… Vinny Testaverde will be QB’ing the Vikings this year.
by Tater596 on Jul 2, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...good one
and for those who think we are stuck at QB…it could be worse…we coul dbe the Vikes who are actually thinking of signing Favre….too much
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by Jaxon on Jul 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God Bless John Fox, but
He’ll hang on to a vet and give every vet a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 10th chance, but starting Foster over Williams in 06/07 was lunacy. (Revshawn: Williams wasn’t drafted until 2006.)
by Barbados on Jul 1, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also we have J Lee
i doubt he’ll play though.:(
by chinchillas sword on Jul 1, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
The odds of him contributing are not high enough to get a mention on this kind of article.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
Mike Goodson is being tried out for the slot receiver. If he gets it and he takes up another WR slot, we might actually get to keep Lee.
It’s a small chance, but a chance indeed. Nods
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by Revshawn on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, man...
Just don’t see it happening. The guy has so much adjustment to do after playing Canadian football.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think Lee will have two options – play in Canada or take up a spot on our practice squad until someone offers him a contract. I don’t see him making the active roster. Instead, I think we’ll use that extra slot granted by Goodson to keep Fiammetta so he can learn the ropes behind Hoover and play on special teams for us.
by NSpicer on Jul 5, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that Goodson will get reps in the slot to create a mismatch when motioned out of the backfield . . .
. . . he is not a better option as a #4 WR than Robinson or Carter and maybe even others. At least not at this point in his career.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The kid is a running back. Look at Jarrett Barnidge: the guys don’t even get much PT at the position they actually played in college.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 7, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's not much drop-off for Panther RBs
Here’s the thing I see:
Atlanta: Michael Turner to Jerious Norwood
Jerious is a great change of pace guy, could he go 4 full quarters though. Jerious will have 6 runs with 6.2 yard average because defenses get worn down from Michael Turner.
Minnesota: Adrian Peterson to Chester Taylor Taylor is seeing 30 rapidly approaching. There was a strong push at the time to drop DeShaun and pick up Taylor. Would have been a good move. He’s the poor man’s Michael Turner. Peterson is fantastic if the Vikes don’t run him into the ground. Those impacts will add up.
New York: Brandon Jacobs to Ahmad Bradshaw Brandon Jacobs is up and down and Ahmad Bradshaw is a shade under 200lbs. I don’t trust him to play a full season. It’s sort of like the poor man’s Atlanta running game.
Titans: Lendale White to Chris Johnson: Lendale White sort of has a Napolean Dynamite thing going on, he’ll play when he feels like it. Chris Johnson is lightening in a bottle. Got to wonder why he’s not a receiver. At 200lbs, TItans better hope no fat 350lb DT falls on him.
Panthers: DeAngelo Williams to J-Stew: Here’s what’s special – there is no drop off. These guys compliment each other, and are almost the same. If they can both stay 100% healthy, you can see one with 1500 yards and the other with 1000, which almost happened. J-Stew was getting over his foot and now his tendon, so hopefully in 2009, John Fox will have his dream scenario.
Gents, let me tell you – it’s extremely rare that salary cap, age, maturity, a passing game, and a pro-bowl line all converge together for this kind of power running game. This is like when all the planets line up. This is rare, really rare. Our defense answers the call and this could be a magical year.
I hope they remember that Arizona game and it angers them for 20 games this year. Jake and Smitty ain’t getting any younger and the salary cap balance has converged to the sweet spot for 2009.
by Barbados on Jul 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
J Lee
He is 6’2 and runs a 4.39 40 time he also has fairly good hands and jumps like a WR. I think he is worth keeping on the roster for those reasons while he learns.
by chinchillas sword on Jul 2, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roster no...
… Practice squad yes. by all means, let him hang around in training camp as long as possible, but i dont see a one year adjustment from Canadian football to NFL football happening. Also, remember he was drafted for the CFL, he hasn’t played yet. He’s a college kid.
What i’m saying is i would be very surprised to see him make an impact year 1.
by Tater596 on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's fast but...
so was Michael Bennett who supposedly got 4.13 on his pro day. There are players who display amazing speed at the combine but it doesn’t translate to the field. Not to compare Lee with Bennett, but Lee seems to lack vision and technique as a RB. When I was watching his highlights on youtube, I was surprised to that he was a 3rd overall selection in CFL. Canadian football field is also wider so he will have trouble in NFL where he can’t just attempt to hurdle over people all the time.
I wish him well in CFL but I think he’ll be wasting his time in NFL, especially when we have arguably the best RB package in the league.
by Shockers on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see us as #1...
I’d have to put us behind the Vikings, for sure. That team runs (and runs well) even when everybody knows that’s pretty much all they’ve got on offense. At least the Panthers have Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad as verifiable threats in the passing game. Minnesota has had nothing after Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. And yet, they’re still as productive (or more productive) than the Panthers in their ground game. Sure, they run more often…but, to me, that implies they’re able to run more often. So I’d rate them higher than us. The synergy between our passing attack and ground game helps our success that much more. It isn’t purely on the RBs.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
by NSpicer on Jul 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again...
The Minnesota QB play of late has a lot to do with how bad their WRs look.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
…but everyone in the league knows it. So their opponents are going to stack the line and dare the Vikings to throw until they show a QB-WR combination that reliably works. That’s essentially what teams did last year. And Minnesota still ran wild with the ball. That’s impressive to me. And I haven’t checked their strength of schedule last year (in terms of opposing team’s defensive ranking against the run), but I would imagine it was tougher than our schedule.
by NSpicer on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They played Detroit twice last year
We played them once. I think we had as much yardage in one game against them as the Vikings did all season.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in the stands for the game
Had DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart not decided to take over the game in the 4th quarter, we could have given Detroit their only win of the season.
by Tater596 on Jul 8, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, their defense is aweful
Yet they drafted for offense. I thought the Panthers took them too lightly and had the Lion defense been able to tackle they might have won. Big game though for Double Trouble
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by Jaxon on Jul 8, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do remember that game, our defense had trouble tackling as well.
I also remember the ribbing Godfrey took for not being able to beat Culpepper to the goal line. : D
by Flowing Willow on Jul 9, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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