Peppers Signs Panthers Franchise Tender
Here's the news we've been expecting:
The Panthers announced this afternoon that defensive end Julius Peppers has signed his offer sheet and will play for the team this season. A conference call has been scheduled for this afternoon.
Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, told the Observer that : "Julius is more than satisfied with the outcome and is prepared and ready to play football."
We here at CSR are not surpised at this development. I'm glad we are getting this out of the way now. A press conference is scheduled for later today.
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As the current 1 no vote
I guess I was hoping his signing the tender would improve his chances on being traded, I know he is a great player, but I would rather dance with an average girl who wanted to dance with me than with a pretty girl who is just waiting for the song to end.
by parkershawn2001 on Jun 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
Great way to put it!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take that analogy one step further...
I’d rather dance with the pretty girl for this ONE dance, knowing that she’ll be dancing with someone else on the next song. And THEN, I’ll go find the average girl to spend the rest of the dances with…
Pep is using us this season to showcase himself again and make himself attractive to other teams out there…preferrably one that’s on his short list. There’s nothing wrong in us using him, too, to get the most out of this season that we possibly can. And despite what people want to say about Peppers’ on-again off-again effort, his glass is still half-full as far as I’m concerned. He’ll show up ready to play. He’s got major incentives to play well if he wants to achieve his ultimate goal of playing elsewhere. And we can certainly benefit from that.
Then again.
He could always try to milk the Panthers for another franchise tender. If he makes the same amount of sacks that he did last year, we’ll still be paying over a million bucks for every one of them. If his end goal is money, which I don’t think may be his goal but the goal of his agent, then if he’s smart he shows himself to be an excellent DE once more and try to show himself valuable enough to deserve it.
If that does happen, next years a few months earlier from today we might be talking trades again. Either way, he’s going to play this year and do his best to improve his value.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
NFLN says they are close to a long-term deal
Sounds like this whole drama was just a big scheme to get Pep more money long term. The Panthers need Pep, and now they are looking at potentially paying him 37M over the next 2 years… by using Franchise. So supposedly he is now negotiating a long-term, Albert Haynesworth like deal. Meaning Pep will get a fat contract, and the Panthers can avoid paying $17M this year.
It’s all about tha Benjamins!
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But we'd be stuck with him and his often invisible self.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you implying that either Charles Johnson or Everett Brown can be as good as Pep?
I gotta think we are better with him than without. I guess if he signs a long-term then we will see what kind of player he really is.
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In terms of knowing what they'll contribute every game and whether they'll be ready to play, yes.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
…I just saw the same thing on the NFL Network. They’re saying reputable sources out of Carolina indicate Peppers and the Panthers are much closer on working out a long-term deal. That means Peppers could be with us despite his words he’d never sign such a deal with Carolina again. I wonder how much (if any) this change of heart is a direct result of the changes Ron Meeks is bringing to the defense.
I think it was a scheme to get mo money
But hopefully Meeks was involved. A lot rests on whether or not he can improve this defense
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by southtunnel on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It would have to be
Considering he was adamant about not signing a long term deal with Carolina before last season and this one. The he brings up the “I’m maxed out in this system…I should play somewhere else” jive. I was floored this morning when I read the part on yahoo sports where it states “…no longer opposed to discussing a long-term deal with the Panthers.” Really?!?!
I would like to think that it’s about more than the money, but at this point I’m not sure. Maybe all his buddies on defense have been raving about Meeks’ system. Maybe Meeks called him up personally (off the record). Maybe it was all just to see who would blink first, and the Panthers held steadfast.
If I’m not mistaken, I believe it was stated somewhere before that the Panthers already wanted to make him one of the, if not THE, highest paid DE in the NFL – but he didn’t want to stay in Carolina…and it “wasn’t about the money.” Psshhfftt.
(sorry if that sounded like a rant haha, too much coffee too soon…)
by boywonderncsu on Jun 25, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
Peppers already turned down offers to be the highest-paid defensive player before each of the last two seasons.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a hard time with that given he was given a great offer before
If anything his value is less at the moment given no other team was willing to pony up the price for him. I can’t see him having any more leverage as before. I bet he signs a very similar deal to what was offered prior to the ’08 season.
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I don't think it JUST involved money...
…but it was definitely a part of the story. For instance, we know Julius wants to be the highest-paid DE in the league…and probably the highest-paid defensive player, period. But, I think he also wants to play in a system and a scheme where he feels he can apply his athleticism in ways that Trgovac and Fox never chose to implement…or that he feels he just wasn’t able to do (for whatever reason) under their philosophy.
Up until the arrival of Ron Meeks and the buzz his style and approach to defense generated in Peppers’ fellow players…not to mention the new defensive line coach…and hopefully more of a willingness on Fox’s part to change what they’ve been doing these past couple of years on defense…I don’t think Peppers really had a sense that another long-term deal with Carolina would let him satisfy the second part of his goal…i.e., doing something more in line with his athleticism.
Let’s be honest with ourselves. Carolina really doesn’t blitz all that often. And perhaps worse, even when we don’t blitz, whatever technique or scheme we’ve been using really hasn’t generated much of a pass rush. Julius cannot do it alone. And yet, ever since the decline of Rucker’s health and eventual retirement, we’ve had nobody (and I mean nobody) who’s really lit it up from the other side of the line when it comes to pass-rushing. Nobody consistent, even though Charles Johnson showed pretty well in limited playing time last year.
But, if I were in Peppers’ shoes, I might feel the same way. Why stay here? Fox seems far too confident in his own defensive philsophy to change very much. It looked like we weren’t going to get rid of Trgovac (and in fact, we even offered the guy a contract extension and he had to be the one to decide to leave us).
So, until Meeks and the new defensive coaching staff got here…and the players (and through them, Julius) could get a sense of what was going to change…I don’t think Peppers had much incentive to stay. He thought he could get the same kind of money from another team…hopefully one where he’d have more support…both in terms of the other defensive personnel on the line as well as the coaching philosophy and scheme. Unfortunately for him, Fox and Hurney felt like they needed Peppers to sustain the core nucleus of our defense. So, they tagged him to prevent him from becoming a free agent. Peppers’ stock then fell as no other team was willing to pony up both the money and the draft picks to take him from us. And that’s how we find ourselves where we are now.
Peppers signed the franchise tender. He had to do it. He didn’t just do it for the money. That was part of it…sure. But it wasn’t the only part of it. And it probably wasn’t even the biggest part of it. I think once we called their bluff and they saw Peppers didn’t have the market value they thought he did (even under the franchise tag)…and once they saw what was happening in terms of the changes on the coaching staff and the commitment to bringing in someone like Everette Brown…all of that had to hit home. It opened Peppers up to not only sign the tender, but also to consider a long-term deal again.
Thus, when I read the statement released by his agent about Peppers having a more in-depth discussion with those he respected among the Panthers organization, I think that’s what made the extra difference. I think somebody (Fox? Hurney? Or maybe even the Big Cat himself?) sat down and laid out how important they believe Peppers can be to the team’s long-term success given the change in direction they’ve started on the defense with Meeks, Everette Brown, etc. And, I think they probably put their money where their mouths were and explained to Peppers what they’d be willing to do…i.e., maybe they franchise him again next year and let him accumulate the same $40+ million kind of money Haynesworth got…but in a different way?
But, I think the bottom line is Peppers had a change of perspective that came from a variety of things…1) He and his agent couldn’t secure the type of deal they thought Pep would command from anyone besides the Panthers, 2) The complete overhaul of the defensive coaching staff, 3) The acquisition of a pure pass-rusher like Everette Brown to give Pep some help, 4) The excitement generated among the defensive players about the changes in the schemes and emphasis on speed and “flying to the ball” installed by Meeks, and 5) The heart-to-heart discussion he had with the Panthers’ front office and how much he respects whatever they had to say to him.
So, is it a good thing that Peppers might want to sign a long-term deal after all? I don’t know. Let’s see what kind of effort he puts forth this season and go from there. In the meanwhile, he gets my support and endorsement as our starting DE…and I really do hope he has the best year ever as a Carolina Panther, both for his own personal success as well as the success of our team.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
Johnson didn't just show pretty well...
6 sacks from a sub is GREAT. There aren’t many teams whose #2 even got that many. And frankly, players aren’t in charge of personnel. Their job is to go out on the field and perform at their maximum effort, and I honestly don’t think we see that from Julius on a month-to-month basis, much less game-to-game or play-to-play.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
…that’s how you feel. I’m very clear on your opinion about him. And I don’t necessarily disagree…yet. I want to see more evidence either way. And he’s got that opportunity this year.
As for Johnson, part of me wonders how much those 6 sacks as a backup benefited from being more rested…i.e., as a backup, was he coming in fresher and/or able to sustain himself throughout the season so he could be more effective than he otherwise might be if he had to play a full 4 quarters every game and a full 16 games? Peppers generally has to do that and he put up 14.5 sacks (regardless of who it came against, that’s still impressive). Is Johnson capable of doing the same? I think it will depend on his conditioning. He’s had lots of time to work on it. So I expect he might get the nod to start over Everette Brown as well. It should be an interesting training camp and preseason.
—Neil
And you can't assume Brayton won't stay there.
If only because he’s a stout run defender who knows what he’s doing.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that happen.
So technically Bryaton would be the starter, but Johnson may get more overall snaps. We’ll see.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jun 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect...
…we may see Ron Meeks doing some creative things with the back 7 on defense in terms of run support. That way, he can focus his ends on pass-rushing and getting up the field to disrupt runners in the backfield as everyone else “flies to the ball” behind them.
But who knows? Brayton may surprise and keep the starting role on that side of the ball. Everette Brown, Charles Johnson, and even Hilee Taylor would then become situational guys.
All I can say...
is that Meeks should be licking his lips at the chance to have defensive linemen with legit NFL size. They’ve been missing in Indy the last few years.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I could not care less. Its almost like he hasn’t played for the team anyways, you forget when he’s on the field half the time.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that...
I disagree. It isn’t almost like he hasn’t played for the team. He’s easily been our most best DE in franchise history. Some of the most memorable plays in franchise history involved Peppers. You can argue about his consistency. But I don’t think anyone can write him off as never having done anything of importance here. I’ll always remember that much about him.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
bull
There wasn’t a more dominant DE in the league last year. All of us watched the games and I know you guys saw it. The guy changes what the opposing offense thinks it can do, period. If these stats let you think he is only on the field half the time, check your expectations.
14.5 sacks 2nd NFL
5 forced fumbles 1st NFL
5 passes defended 10th NFL
41 tackles (tied with Haynesworth and Allen)
eh...
14.5 sacks was 2nd in the NFC-S. Oh, I see- you meant for DE. Ok.
I think Allen was better, Abraham was utilized more effectively, and there are guys who play OLB in 3-4 (Ware, Porter, etc) who are better pass rushers.
He’s great, but to say he’s the best?
I’m not so sure.
by the bomb dot com on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
He uttlerly dominated the Raiders, Chiefs, and Lions. Where was he in the playoffs, again?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
He was in the same place as the rest of our defense. Practically invisible. But sometimes I wonder how much of that is just Julius giving up on plays (which I’m sure part of it is)…and how much of that is the scheme and defensive game plan drawn up by the coaches. We already know the coaching staff made a gross miscalculation in how they would cover Larry Fitzgerald. The Cardinals even pointed that out as one of the major reasons they knew they were going to beat us.
So, if the coaches can screw up the game plan that badly on how the secondary covers a receiver, I’m certain they’re part of the reason Peppers sometimes disappeared in our schemes as well. Not all the time. Probably not even the majority of the time. But I do think the coaching staff and defensive philosophy employed by Fox during Trgovac’s tenure…for whatever reason…had a big part to play in how our defense has declined lately.
But who knows? Maybe I’m wrong and Peppers totally tanks again this year and we say it was all on him. Let’s see how the season goes. And since it’s early…and because I’m more of an optimist than a pessimist…I’m going to give Peppers the benefit of the doubt, wish him well, and reserve judgement until he’s had this opportunity to contribute further evidence to the argument either way.
But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil
PREACH IT NEIL!!!!!
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 26, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Used to be one of my favorite players to watch. Whether he wants out of town or not, he will be trying to earn a top contract next year and should give it his all this season.
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There is absolutey no one out there being honest with themselves if they say that they would rather have a rookie or a 2nd stringer in Pep’s position. He said he wanted out of Carolina and that hurt alot of peoples feelings, but the dude is a monster. He was born here, schooled here, and played professionally here. He has represented NC better than any athlete I can remember. He will always be one of my favorites and I can’t wait to see him in a Panther uniform.
Really?
You want a guy who tries half the time to be our state’s representative? I’m a Duke guy, but I’ll take Jordan any day. If not him, then Earnhardt. This state can do better than Peppers’ lazy ass.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Any athlete?
I’ll take LT- no question. I’ve never really been a big Jordan fan, more of a Barkley guy.
I get Cole’s point though, NC through and through. The fact is, the possibility for athletes to play at every level in the state hasn’t existed very long.
by the bomb dot com on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He is from Virginia, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
If Peppers is here, he starts over any rookie or 2nd stringer on the roster today. He’s experienced. He HAS produced. And I think he makes a fair number of teams change their game plans based on his presence on the field. This year, he deserves our support as fans of the TEAM…not necessarily as fans of him, personally.
One problem with this deal people aren't talking about...
Is that the deal will be on our cap for another $1.5 million on top of his franchise base number. That’s based on the fact that his Pro Bowl incentive, carried over from last year’s deal, counts as an LTBE (likely to be earned) incentive, him having done it the year before. This brings it up to a staggering $18.183 mil, entirely too much for a player who doesn’t make an impact on the game every week.
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I'm sure the front office has already made plans for this.
The cap hit that he will have is too much at 16.7mill, let alone 18.2mill. But again, the management I’m sure has already made plans for this. Hopefully Pep and the team can come to an agreement on a new deal and drop the cap hit.
If that happened, are there any players still on the market who can make an impact on our team? Any DT’s or CB’s?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Jun 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not many at this point...
DTs of note: Dewayne Robertson, whom we had interest in earlier in the offseason
John Thornton, who has been a primary starter for the last seven years and picked up three sacks for the Bengals last year, but who is on the downside of his career at 32.
Ellis Wyms is probably stretched as a starter, but he did ok for the Vikes as one of the Williams replacements late last year (2.5 sacks in the last six weeks of play)
Darwin Walker’s still an FA, if you thought anything of what he provided last year.
Hollis Thomas wasn’t bad two years ago, but the Saints cut him in spite of their need for depth at DT
CB: Chris McAlister is out there, but his knees may or may not be totally shot; Mike McKenzie’s pretty much in the same boat, although the latest report out of his agent (Rosenhaus) said that he had been medically cleared
Daven Holly is young and was a starter in ‘06 and ’07, but missed last year with the ACL/MCL twin killing
Reynaldo Hill’s another semi-talented guy with injury issues
Travis Fisher’s not great, but he might be an upgrade over Wilson/Martin, and he’s only 29.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew it
Julius Peppers scaring the hell out of the crazies and Dookies has finally came back around. You had to be a Dookie. At least you are rational thinking of Jordan, but he did not play pro here. We all know racing is not anywhere close to football or basketball in terms of athleticism. That takes out anyone in Nascar. By years end, all the naysayers will be talking how great he is again.
Fine...who knew you had to play here professionally (which you largely have no control over) to represent the state?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If your gonna use that line of thinking then your gonna have to go with David Thompson or Phil Ford over Jordon, as they were FAR better basketball players during their times in NC.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
average of 2.5 and 14.5
I wonder what all the Pep lovers will be saying if has another average year. Let’s see, 14.5 sacks last year, 2.5 the year before. That would mean he is averaging 9.5 sacks a season over the last two…not bad. He is a dominant force and if he goes all out, he could be defensive player of the year. But I don’t think he will.
You heard it hear first, Pep wants some big monstrous contract ($37 mil over 2 years is huge), and after he plays it out, he’ll retire.
I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.
by usana_gaines on Jun 25, 2009 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
$18+ mil should buy more than a "not bad" season.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
For 18-freaking-million…it should seem like there are more than 1 of him on the field
by boywonderncsu on Jun 25, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
this.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
About Time !
I was so tempted to mark “I could care less” on the fan poll but I just could not do it. Their are still a few questions for the team now that pep is back with us and that is who will start opposite him this season at the other DE spot. Who knows I am giving the edge to Charles Johnson to start the year but I believe that E. Brown is just a foot step away from knocking him right out of the Panthers starting lineup not that he was ever really given his shot which is just not fare for him.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 24, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
As the resident English major (and hopefully I'm not the only one)
I’d like to thank Jaxon for using the correct “could not care less” phrase in the poll. Too many people out there say they “could care less” (really? could ya, now?), and that just chafes my chaps. So thanks for a competent demonstration of the mother tongue in action.
Now, if we could just get people to use “should have” instead of “should of”, I would feel much less consternation while on the intertubes.
I don't think the later is as bad...
It’s just a bastardization of “should’ve”
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
I thought I was the only one completely annoyed by that. We have the same pet peeve, and we both can’t wait for the Panthers to go 13-3 (very optimistic, I know) and win it all.
by usana_gaines on Jun 25, 2009 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually typed 'could care less' to begin with but then added 'not'
It didn’t feel right though!
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What an incredible pass rush CAR will have..
Here’s hoping those DT are a questionable as I think they will be… =)
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by MentallyMIA on Jun 24, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brayton is not a bad pass rusher either so we could have 4 threats
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
I think he'll actually play a lot more inside this year with our talent influx at DE.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They keep saying...
…they’re high on Marlon Favorite so far. I wonder if they’re planning on keeping him for the DT rotation, as well. I’m also curious to see if they bring Brayton in as a pass-rushing DT on 3rd and long, kind of like the package the Giants used a lot in terms of their line personnel. If we can do something similar with some combination of speedy edge rushers and quicker DTs, that might really help the secondary that much more…and improve our chances to get off the field.
Yes, he did a good bit of that last year...
And Johnson moved inside some himself.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see this holdout end. You better play well Pep for the 16 mil you are getting while people loose their homes around here.
Also glad to see this story garnered a whopping grand total of….. get ready (drumroll)…… that’s right: 15 seconds of air time on espoopn. Had Pep been in a cowgirls uni, they would have had a 5 min spread on how much of an impact this will be and how romeo feels about it, etc, etc.
Gotta love the fact people think we are a po-dunk team in the middle of North Carolina!
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You are right on with that
Or Patriots uni…
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I just got back from Jo-burg
And wow I missed a lot! Michael Jackson died, Pep signs the tender, wow.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 26, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
And we lost Farrah Fawcett too
I’m much more tore up about that than MJ, though it was expected.
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Boo...
Fawcett adorned walls; Jackson changed an industry.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie's Angels...
And this poster on the walls of millions of boys across America:

You’re too young to understand. ;)
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions

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