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Panther Paw Prints - Weekend Edition

Here's a weekend edition of Paw Prints. I hope you find them interesting. If you are in the Carolina's stay cool this weekend as we are hitting 100 degrees tomorrow in some parts.

  • This piece is the perfect follow-up to my 'bold' prediction yesterday regarding Julius Peppers status for 2009.

Peppers text message says he'll be at training camp - WRALSportsFan.com
"My friend, one of the linebackers said 'hey look at this we got a text from Julius'," Mixon told The Insiders on Thursday. "The text said 'hey, out here in Arizona working out, I won't be early for camp but I won't be late, and I'll be ready to go."

Maybe they were pulling Mick's leg but either way I stand by my prediction.

Star-divide

  • Ever since hearing that Marshall might move inside on passing downs and play the nickle position I've wondered where Martin fits in.

Foxhole: Martin making transition

Really, the biggest hurdle is just learning our system, our language. It's just like learning a new language. It's not physical as much as it is mental.

So what position is he learning exactly? CB, Nickel or dime?

  • In case you forgot, here's why Rod Smart used the moniker "He Hate Me" on his jersey in the Arena League

NFL Players Association › Rod Smart Interview
Of course, I did the name to get the notoriety but I [also] showed my talents. I’m a competitive player and that showed on the field. With the name, I wanted to show that I can beat my opponent on the field. So when I’m done beating my opponent, "He Hate Me."

Too funny still to this day.

  • File this one under "Gross Reporting Errors":

NFL Futures: Carolina Panthers Super Bowl XLIV, NFC & Division Odds to Win
The Panthers’ running game will once again be the backbone of the offense. The duo of DeShaun Foster and Jonathan Stewart were explosive last year and carried Carolina into the playoffs. But Delhomme almost single-handedly sunk them in their divisional round game with eventual NFC champs Arizona by throwing six interceptions.

Sloppy research on the Foster reference but I've seen many people reference Jakes six INT's. For the record it was six turnovers, 5 INT's and a fumble.

  • Greg Ellis mentions he has interest in Coming to Carolina

Greg Ellis Expresses interest in Redskins and Panthers  - WRALSportsFan.com
This may not be a direct link but if you can find the list of audio interviews it should be there. I have to be honest I was interrupted while listening to the 9 minute interview and must have missed the reference to the Panthers and didn't have time to hear it again...so if someone else can give us a transcript...thanks!

Hey, maybe Pep does an about face and signs a LT deal freeing up space to go after a vet DE who could help us. Weirder things have happened.

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it looks like they fixed that Foster reference, but didn’t catch the interceptions error. On the other hand, 25/1 to win the Super Bowl, 9/1 NFC champs and 2/1 NFC South champs isn’t too shabby.

by MrEd12345 on Jun 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, don't take the 9/1 and 2/1 odds as a compliment for the Panthers.

They’re just being smart bookies. Atlanta’s also 9/1 (NFC) and 2/1 (South), and New Orleans is 9/1 (NFC) and likely also 2/1 (South). Three teams at 2/1 to win, that keeps them from being on the hook for too much in what is clearly a tight and unpredictable division. That way, if they take $10,000 in bets on each of those teams, they’ll take in a total of $30,000 but only pay out $20,000. Smart, smart bookies. I’d lay NO’s odds at winning the NFC at much worse than 9/1, but the odd-makers aren’t stupid enough to get caught with their pants down by a team who may just be able to get over the hump this year.

by r3 on Jun 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good to hear that he will be in camp

by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's third-hand information. I wouldn't be so sure.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, Negative Nancy! Get excited about something!

I kid, of course. Putting any faith in this is like putting faith in the easter bunny to leave a gold dreidel under your pillow on Christmas morning: it makes no sense.

On the other hand, this isn’t terribly out of bounds. Sure, Mick is a franchise mouthpiece and is going to toe the party line, but he’s also reporting this as something he’s seen. Given the context, I find it very believable. It wouldn’t be odd at all for Pep to communicate directly with a buddy on the defense, though it would be out of character (and bad form) for him to issue a statement via the media or the team. So this falls right in line with what I’d expect.

Still and all, I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for that dreidel.

by r3 on Jun 13, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah around 4 minutes Ellis says that people have been telling him that the Panthers are interested in him…. we’ll see what happens. Hopefully we can grab him and trade peppers, at this point hes costing us too much money

by Brandon Fisher on Jun 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My fear is that Ellis, unlike Peppers, is a one trick pony and is only good in speed rushing the passer in a 3-4 set.

by pancanbra on Jun 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a lot of paraphrasing in that post, and only one actual quote.

The quote is an entirely reasonable quote that he’s actually reporting on Roy Williams’ behalf.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 13, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Achilles injury may have robbed him of some ability...

But he averaged 7.5+ sacks in his last five seasons in the 4-3.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 13, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might be… but with Peppers off the books via trade(even if we get ripped off a bit) with the talent we have at DL and LB we will be just fine. He will be missed, but its a load of the backs of Mngmnt and the team is still an NFC contender.

by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody still has to make that trade. Not a one way street.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

duh?

Come on man.. you dont have to comment on EVERY thing! ;)

by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 15, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then what's the point of the reply button?

;)

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol ;)

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey give Ellis a shot and dump Brayton or better yet dump Hilee Taylor.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 14, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

He’s older, has had serious injury issues, and will be more expensive than either.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO NOOO WAY!

I upped you one “no”.

by meanoreno on Jun 15, 2009 3:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That Bum Peppers

Let me lay a few facts on you guys about peppers. In 8 playoff games, peppers has 21 tackles and 2 sacks. Dan morgan had 25 tackles in the superbowl alone, while peppers in the biggest game of his career had 2 tackles and didnt touch Brady. In the Cards game last season, peppers had 2 tackles, once when he fell down and a Card pushed him into Hightower. This bum has never had sacks against the Bolts (2 games) Bears (3) Denver (2) Texans (2) Indy (2) Seahags (2) Cincy (1) Deadskins (2) Philly (3) PItt (1) NE (1) Fins(1). He’s got 1 sack vs St loo (3) Tituns (2) Jax (2) Balt (2) Bills (1). 2 sacks vs Gnats(3) Niners (2) Browns (2). Vs. the nfc south, hes got 6 sacks in 14 games vs Atl, 12.5 vs Tampa in 13 games, 6 vs the Aints in 13 games. Of the rest of the nfl, he got 4 sacks in 2 of the 4 games vs Minny, 3 in 2 vs KC, 4.5 in 6 games vs Cards, 5 in 2 games vs the Raydahs, 7 in 4 games vs Det, 3.5 in 5 Packers games, 7 in 3 of the 5 games vs Dallas, and 1.5 vs the Jets in 1 game (left that out, sorry) Hes averaged only 2.5 tackles and .42 sacks a game for his career. Now you guys can drool over the one espn highlite they show of him each year, but the reality is he’s garbage, and has been since he was taking plays off for the cheatin heels. There is a reason no team wants him, hes a mediocre at best de, BECAUSE HE ONLY PLAYS WHEN HE WANTS TO. The panthers are a far better team without him, go Everette!

by Captain Panther on Jun 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS.

Although I wouldn’t say this site is the place you find people drooling for him.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Everette Brown will show Pep a thing or two about HEART and PURSUING THE PLAY!!!

But anyways, here’s what I think happens with this whole thing. Peppers probably has had a reality check when every team in the NFL didn’t line up for his services, so he’ll come back with his tail between his legs and a chip on his shoulder and play lights out this season. Then he’ll repeat the charade again next year, but when no one wants to pursue him, again, he’ll sign with the Panthers long term. I’d bet cash on that.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...IF we still want him long-term at that point.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might let him walk if he doesn't perform

or becomes a locker room distraction. We might even see a trade at the deadline.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 17, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Show me someone else who has averaged 10 sacks per season over the past seven years.

It’s Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, and nobody else.

I have no idea what you expect a great player to do on a per-game basis, but it seems like you expect him to have three sacks per game, every game. That simply doesn’t happen.

DeMarcus Ware was the only guy last season who was consistently able to register sacks, no matter the competition. He only had two games without a sack all season. Guy was a beast! Now let’s see him do it again. Consistency over time is the challenge for any great player.

Jared Allen had seven games without a sack, but he was a force on the field when he was motivated.

Peppers only had six games without a sack, and he was a force when motivated too. In fact, Allen and Peppers had roughly the same stats for the entire season. Peppers had more forced fumbles, Allen had a couple of safeties, and that’s the extent of the difference between the two.

Any bitching about Peppers’ enthusiasm is really bitching about the fact that he is a quiet guy who doesn’t jump up and do a sack dance and strut around like a drag queen trying to get everyone’s attention on him.

And don’t even get me started on that bullshit “25 tackles in the Super Bowl” stat that people toss around for Dan Morgan. It’s not true. And comparing the tackles for a middle linebacker versus those for a D-lineman, well that’s apples and oranges. Your argument is invalid on the face of it, and the stats have no relevance.

by r3 on Jun 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with you here.

It goes beyond stats.(although I frequently cite those postseason stats, which are compelling, along with a study I did before last season about how much of his production came vs. rookies and backups, which showed he got a LOT more of his stats against crappy competition than most elite DEs, and had far fewer no-sack games out of his total as well.) Just watch him play. If the play goes the other way, how often does he actually pursue as hard as he can? If his first move doesn’t work, how often does he try another strategy as opposed to just standing there at the line defeated? How often do you see him being a leader or expressing any kind of disappointment on the field? Down 30 without a tackle in the game, he’s still got that goofy grin on his face like he couldn’t be happier. Frankly, out of a guy who wants to be paid more than any defensive player in the game and thinks himself above the team, I do expect more.

Finally, while I agree with you that you shouldn’t compare the tackle numbers of an LB against a DL, Morgan DID have 25 tackles in that Super Bowl..

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The LB's get lots of tackles...

when the DL is doing their job, occupying blockers. I do think its an unfair comparison stat-wise. But I think the point is in the big games Pep doesn’t only not shine but he is practically non-existent

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part I do agree with the big game disscussion.

I do remember him having a big game against the Bucs in TB during our Super Bowl year.

I also remember Jenks blocking that kick at the end of the game too. That was clutch! It was also a good memory.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jun 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he has been a monster on ST at times...

But far moreso early in his career than lately.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 17, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the blog Captain Panther!

He emailed this first and included his pic (at least I assume its him) Gotta love it though he’s giving me no love in his post. You make good points in your post and the stats don’t lie. If he blows in the future playoff games I’ll be the first to say cut the bum loose.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 17, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Bum Peppers

r3, did you even bother to read those numbers? 75% of peppers sacks came against the 3 teams hes played 40 games against, and a whole bunch of crappy o lines like the cards, lions, raiders, kc, etc…… And, if you don’t want to compare moragns 25 tackles to peppers lousy 2 tackles and not even touching Brady in the biigest game of his career, how about the Rev Minters 19 tackles with broken ribs? Do you remember the 7 sack game we had against the Rams? Tha bum didn’t even get a tackle, much less a sack on a day the entire defense feasted. Another fond memory I have of peppers was the last stealers game when a rookie tackle broke him down like a shotgun, and Worthlessburger laughing at peppers laying on the ground the entire time while he was throwing tds over his prone body. It’s called addition by subtraction, get rid of the bum and his sorry work ethic. You don’t believe it, go watch him jack off at practice, theres a gap in the netting on the train track side of the practice fields you can see thru. Hopefully Ron Meeks won’t put up with peppers laziness, he was in those guys asses at minicamp. And yes Jax, that is me from the last Seahags game. I heard I was on tv twice from the front row at the Raydahs game, but I never saw it.

by Captain Panther on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol...I can't argue with you Captain...point is well made

BTW, whats the green leafy stuff around your neck?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Bum Peppers

I was in Hawaii for 2 seasons (Big Cat bought me pro bowl tix since I missed most of the 06 season, thanks again Jerry, best owner in the NFL) so I wear Panther blue leis to represent the 808, every year I add something to the outfit, thats what I added then since I wasn’t here to get anything new. Btw, I greatly appreciate your blog, glad I found it, but I do tell the truth about my team, and the sad reality is Peppers could have been one of the best, but he’s not and never will be. There’s a reason he’s rarely double teamed anymore, and why his agent couldnt work a deal. The NFL knows it, the fans need to wake up and smell the coffee instead of watching the one great ESPN hilight while they arent showing him screwing off the other 60 plays.

by Captain Panther on Jun 17, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honest opinions are always welcome here

Again, welcome. No wonder the best offer (supposedly) was a 2nd rounder.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Bum Peppers

Btw, I can’t take credit for “that bum peppers”. I sat with an old white ex stealer wearing a superbowl ring, don’t have a clue who he was, but we discussed peppers sorriness for an entire quarter, and he’s the one that coined that term, lmaooooo.

by Captain Panther on Jun 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

r3 makes a valid point though, he averaged ten sacks a season and got

14 last year. Not all of that was against weak competition though, he dominated the first Saints game, and their O-line isn’t too shabby I’ve heard. ;) You could make the argument for Freeney, he spent quite a few seasons beating up on David Carr, does that make him a Peppers. I do agree, Peppers does not follow the play. But he still demands attention, simply because if you don’t, he can dominate like he did in the Pro Bowl. I think a lot of this Peppers hate has come because he wants out of Carolina. And honestly, we have some of the most fair weather fans in the NFL.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 18, 2009 6:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Dominated?"

He had one sack and a strip of Shockey. Other than that, just one other tackle. And I took a look at how Peppers does compared to the other elite DEs about a year back. He simply has more no-sack games out of his total, and more of his numbers come against rookies and backups. And while he might “demand attention,” he gets double-teamed less and less often this play. Oh, and this is what I’ve ALWAYS thought; the whiny behavior has nothing to do with it.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That strip of Shockey must have happened while he was loafing...

since the play happened on the other side of the field. And when he took a great angle to chase down Aaron Rogers and de-cleat him (out of bounds, but still awesome). Lots of examples of That Bum running down tailbacks from behind, making plays completely across the field from where he lined up.

I feel like I watch one set of games, and all of you guys are watching a completely different set of games.

by r3 on Jun 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, fine, I give up.

He’s the best player in football, he always plays his hardest, he shows up for every important game, and he CERTAINLY never takes plays off. He’s worth every penny of the $1 million+ he’s gonna get a game, if not more. Oh, and he a.: had nearly 7 seconds to get across the field from the shortest distance possible (to the right side from the right hashmark), and b. clearly delivered a vicious late hit to a QB who had given up and gone out of bounds. Count me unimpressed. Where was this incredible player in the playoffs again? I’m mainly talking about this year, but you could give me an excuse for any year, really.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally, you've come around to seeing things my way!

Waaaaaaaaitasec…

I don’t think you really mean all those things you started off saying!

Yeah, we all know he disappears from games for series at a time, and he doesn’t have nearly as many big games at important times as we’d like, but he’s also not a lazy bum who only bothers to show up when he’s playing against scrubs. He’s not perfect, but he ain’t worthless. He’s a pretty strong pass rusher who also plays the run well.

If you can find some footage of him being blown off the ball, manhandled by a lineman or devastated by a running back, or anything else overtly embarrassing (which I have seen from Freeney, Allen and Merriman), then I’d like to see it. But I don’t think you can find that. I think you can definitely find sequences where he is single-blocked by a tight end and doesn’t get any penetration, and you can find the occasional game where he doesn’t factor in at all. But that’s not the norm.

The reality is that he’s a better than average DE with some very special abilities that he doesn’t always utilize. No sense in demonizing him for that.

by r3 on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The reality is that he’s a better than average DE with some very special abilities that he doesn’t always utilize. No sense in demonizing him for that."

No…he deserves all the criticism in the WORLD for that. Does he offer the money he gets paid back when he doesn’t try? Does he make an apology when he doesn’t try? Does he even show any disappointment when he’s in the middle of one of his invisible game? No…he just keeps on grinning like an idiot knowing that he’s getting his bank anyway.

And if by invisible games are not the norm you mean that they’re less than 50% of his games, sure, you’re right, but they’re all too frequent for a play paid as much as he is because of the talent he possesses. Some examples from just last season:

In two games vs. Arizona facing journeyman Mike Gandy, who’s usually been a GUARD during his career: 5 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 PDs, 0 FFs

Against Denver and (the very talented but still a) rookie Ryan Clady: 0 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 PDs

In the loss @ATL against aging backup Todd Weiner: 3 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 PDs

Against Chicago and journeyman John St. Clair: 2 solo tackles, 1 assisted tackle, 0 sacks, 0 PDs

Against SD and journeyman backup LJ Shelton: 1 assisted tackle, 0 sacks, 0 PDs

In the loss@TB against second-year UFA Donald Penn: 3 solos, 2 assists, 0 sacks, 0 PDs

So that’s seven out of seventeen games in which he was virtually a non-factor, including four of our five losses on the year. I’m sorry, but that’s just not acceptable out of that player getting paid that money.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 19, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clady allowed 0.5 of a sack

can’t blame Peppers for being shut out, Clady is really good. In fact, the only guys on that list you can really make an argument for is Gandy, St. Clair, and Shelton. One thing I’ve noticed about Peppers, he kind of struggles vs stronger guys, which would explain why Gandy handled him. Also, could it be that Warner gets rid of the ball quickly. Can you sack the QB if the ball isn’t in his hands? Peppers is a great DE, if he was motivated, he could be the best all time. If he was motivated.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 19, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're really willing to accept that?

A nine-year, Pro Bowl/All-Pro veteran being completely shut down by a rookie? Also, I don’t know how you’re going to argue for Weiner or Penn as anything more than average. Weiner was a backup who retired after the season, and Penn is a former UFA who hadn’t even started for two seasons.

And, quick release or not, Warner went down 26 times last season, most of them coming from guys who weren’t better than Peppers.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 19, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and the Panthers sacked Warner three times...

How fast was he releasing the ball when he was sacked by Damione Lewis and Charlies Johnson (twice?)

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 19, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listening on the radio, there were times when we got soo very close to hitting Warner

but he got rid of it. That’s what makes him such a good QB, his ability to see where the ball needs to go and get it there quickly. Also, the offense always guns for Peppers. The LT, TE, RB, FB, nearly all chip in, whereas Damione Lewis and Charles Johnson don’t get nearly that kind of attention. Also, you seem to focus too much on draft position, or lack of. Penn was an UDFA true, but you seem to focus on that as to why he should be beaten by Peppers. Penn is by no means a PBer, but he does his job well. Weiner was supplanted by Sam Baker, but that was part of the organisations youth movement, not because he sucked. Also, I don’t care if you’re a ten year veterean or an eighteen year old, you allow half a sack all season, you are definitely elite. How many other elite pass rusher did Clady shut down? How many of them are you getting on for your lame “shut down by a rookie” argument.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peppers has been single-blocked for much of the last few seasons

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MP,

I certainly know your stance on Pep and understand the argument. I have a question (no sarcasm intended). What about the other players in the league who also play against those same rookies and backups. Not many players get 14.5 sacks.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Jun 18, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When compared to the other elite DEs in the league...

He simply gets more of his numbers against those types of players. Yes, it takes a certain degree of ability to be able to do that in the first place, but it’s not worth $17 mil or a demand to be the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 18, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, wrong button. Continued from above

Honestly, I might want out of Carolina if I played simply because the fans are so bad, with the exception of a few.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 18, 2009 6:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fans are bad? In what way.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said exception of a few

several of you guys here are part of that minority. Its just when you compare our fan base to that of other franchises like the Raiders, Steelers, Packers, Raiders especially, we aren’t quite as supportive. Fire Fox, fire Hurney, dump the team career leader in sacks, dump the best QB we’ve ever had, it goes on and on. And there is a reason we are better on the road then at home while Fox has coached us. When we lose the momentum in a game, the stadium grows quiet. We are somewhat loud at the start, but as soon as things don’t go our way, where are the fans? We feed off the negative attention on the road from opposing fans, there is no reaction to feed off of at home.

by Flowing Willow on Jun 19, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a few reasons for that...
  • Young fanbase for a young team (most older fans have another team)
  • Transplant city
  • Business city with many, many corporately-owned PSLs, particularly on the lower-level (i.e. often used as business comps)

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we'll have to wait another ten years

for a solid fan base. Hey, maybe I’ll be playing by then. : )

by Flowing Willow on Jun 22, 2009 2:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Myspace_small Ryan Basen