Panthers OTA's Update
I found several posts on the Panthers in-process offseason training activities (OTA's) and thought I would comment on several golden nuggets of news:
- We might have a solid back-up at RT in the making in 2nd year player Geoff Schwartz:
"He kind of lifted all winter with me and (Ryan) Kalil and ran with us and is probably the most improved player physically," (Jordan) Gross said of the 6-foot-6, 331-pound. "I think he has a shot at being a good tackle for us."
- Learning new DC Ron Meeks defensive scheme is a heavy work-in-process:
"But it's letting the players play and we have some great athletes on defense and some hard-nosed players and I think it's going to let them do what they do and make plays on their own without out-tricking anybody. I know we have a lot to see from defense yet but I know the defensive guys are excited about (the new system)."
- The "Big Cat" Panthers owner Jerry Richardson made an appearance.
"It was great," said coach John Fox. "He looked great. He's getting stronger by the day. Everything's going well with the procedure he had. ... We're happy to see him."
- RB DeAngelo Williams went to bat for QB Jake Delhomme:
"We love Jake," Williams said. "That's our quarterback. Contrary to what fans believe, or those non-fans that call themselves fans, Jake's a great quarterback. He knows this system inside out."
Non-fans that call themselves fans. Ouch!!
- LT Jordan Gross may like what he sees in Schwartz but that doesn't mean he's not worried about the o-line depth:
"As it sits now we can't really afford to get anybody hurt," Gross said. "Not saying anything bad against our backups but that is really just so unknown. ... There is no established backup right now."
I'll keep you updated as it comes out.
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I'm excited about Schwartz, too...
he’s a mammoth of a man, and he was a college All-American. Ok, fine, Jewish All-American, but whatever.
by MichaelProcton on May 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see that Jerry Richardson made an appearance.
He’s going to recover just fine. As it was said earlier, the Big Cat will be roaring soon.
Julius Peppers didn’t show up. I think it’s fine time that he got a new agent.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on May 28, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Peppers...
Naaah. He’s just sitting out because he doesn’t contractually have to be there. I’m really curious to see if he does the same thing during training camp…either wholly or in part. If he does that, then he’s really going to get some media attention. But it’ll be the wrong kind, I think.
I heard Anquan Boldin fired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent the other day. Maybe Pep should hook up Drew. No? Okay. Next question… ;-D
by NSpicer on May 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Deangelo...
…and his comment about non-fans that call themselves fans…I LOVE it. Tell it like it is, Deangelo!
by NSpicer on May 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since when does being a fan mean liking every starting player or agreeing with every personnel move? To me, a real fan calls things how he sees them without drinking the Kool-Aid, but to each his own, I guess.
I guess the Eagles or the Jets have never had any fans in their entire existences.
by the bomb dot com on May 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Being a fan means not trashing your QB when he’s taken you farther than anybody else in team history over and over.
by MichaelProcton on May 28, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's about believing in your team
If you can’t trust a QB and head coach that in their 6 years in charge of your team, took you to 3 playoff appearances, 2 NFC championships, a Superbowl, won more games then any team in their division, set all kinds of team records, not to mention just coming off a 12-4 season… If you can’t trust them that their QB decision is the best option to win now, then yes, I for one question if you are a true fan.
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by southtunnel on May 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I'm blindly following Jake JUST because he is the Panthers QB
I was a fan through the horrid 2001 season so I remember what its like to have the 2nd worst team in the league. I don’t always agree with every move Furney makes either, but they have earned my trust given they get it right more often than not. Same with Jake. He’s a winner still overall and until he starts blowing a lot of games I thinks he’s earned my trust for now.
Maybe my standards are too low. Sure I’d love to win the SB a few years in a row but if we just make it to the playoffs where you have a shot at the title then I will be content. 12-4 was fun to watch for me. Sure beats the opposite;)
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by Jaxon on May 28, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about drinking the Kool Aid!
“It sure beats the alternative.” Nice quote of Foxy, there.
But yeah, having become a serious fan myself during the wretched 4-12 ’98 season (which at one point was a 2-12 season), then suffering through 1-15… I know pain. I know futility. I know what it looks like when a coach loses his team.
But Fox has his teams firmly on his side, always has. And southtunnel’s list of accomplishments for the Fox/Hurney/Delhomme brain trust is spot on. I don’t think you can reasonably look at what Fox and Delhomme have achieved here and think that either one of them needs to be replaced.
Sure, Delhomme has added a (painful, painful) third playoff loss to his resume, but he’s still 5-3 in the playoffs. That’s better than Peyton by a long sight. That’s five more playoff wins than Tony Romo. All in all, I like him and I like his style of play. I think you can be a fan and dislike his style of play, but you can’t argue with the larger body of work.
by r3 on May 29, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake has been great, no question- but I think if you go back and watch the games from last season, you’ll see that Jake isn’t the same QB.
More than just keeping and starting him, what we’re paying him is what has me so frustrated.
Southtunnel- Great, Brett Favre won a Super Bowl and I don’t want him either. Football isn’t played in a vacuum of space and time- skills change, people age.
Anything against the company line is unbecoming of a fan! Don’t like the logo? Get out! Don’t like the policies regarding banners? Find another team! Think the uniforms are ugly? Watch soccer, Nancy! You think Sir Purr is the lamest mascot in American sports? Now you’ve crossed the line sir…
by the bomb dot com on May 29, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God bless PSLs! and God bless America and the Panthers (and no one else)!
by the bomb dot com on May 29, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we will have to agree to disagree Bomb
You are entitled to hate on Jake all you want. If I did watch the games from last year I would see the same QB I’ve always seen, even though he was coming off major surgery. I know several of his INT’s were tipped/bobbled passes. Regardless, I firmly believe changing QB’s at this point would guarantee the Panthers miss the playoffs. At least with Jake we have a chance, a good chance in my view. When he is too old to play I’ll be the first to say tis time for a change. That might be in ’010, it might be later, but not in ’09. He will make up for that Zona game.
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by Jaxon on May 29, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's not the same QB...
Perhaps because he was less than a year removed from a surgery no NFL QB has EVER recovered from to become a primary starter, a surgery which traditionally requires at least a full year of recovery in baseball pitchers. And again, tell me who’s being paid less than Jake over the course of this deal (just $6.5 mil yr/after this) that you’d rather have and isn’t on a rookie contract.
by MichaelProcton on May 29, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who should be our QB this year
I do think Jakes getting too much $$$
But Bomb, who do you think should be our QB this year. And if you say someone like Cutler, what would you have given up to get them?
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by southtunnel on May 30, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems there is no topic that will get us in a tizzy on this blog this summer
than Jake Delhomme. I want to re-iterate to those who think the Panthers should change QB’s that I know where you are coming from. I understand your argument and I am just as disappointed about how the season ended last season as you are. You are welcome to express your opinion here but just know there is a segment of us that also completely disagree with your opinion. Hmmm…it seems we might just need a post to lay this all out…from both perspectives.
So I could argue one side of it for sure unless someone else wants to send it to me. How about this, who wants to email me 5 reasons Jake should or should not be the Panthers starting QB in 2009? One person to write the “Keep Jake” position (MP?) and one to write the “Dump Jake” position (Bomb?). I’ll then wrap it into a post that details both positions and put it up with a poll to see how many readers agree with each side. Just click on my username to get my email.
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by Jaxon on May 29, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify:
at this point Jake has to be our starting QB for 2009- that is for certain. The time to drop him or think about bringing in other talent has come and gone- and now that he’s re-upped, he must start. I’m not advocating McCown or Moore at all.
Second, the Bears gave more than I felt comfortable for Cutler. I would have given a 2nd + Peppers, but that ship has sailed. The same goes for Cassel, but just Peppers straight up. I realize he hasn’t signed a long term deal yet. Trades are funny in the NFL, as I never would have guessed Cassel would go for a 2nd nor would I have believed anyone would give up two 1sts for Cutler. I believe injecting youth into the position would have been in the best interest of the franchise.
Also, not trying to use a crystal ball too much, but without a 1st rounder next year, we probably lost our shot at a decent year for QB talent. Obviously, someone could fall, there are diamonds in the rough, blah, blah, blah.
Third, the details of his contract were as follows:
Signed a five-year, $42.5 million contract extension through 2014. The deal includes $20 million guaranteed. 2009: $3.2 million, 2010: $1.624 million, 2011: $1.74 million, 2012: $2.7 million, 2013: $3.66 million, 2014: $4.62 million, 2015: Free Agent. Cap charges: $8.591 million (2009), $4.785 million (2010), $5.745 million (2011), $6.705 million (2012), $7.665 million (2013), $8 million (2014).
This means that comparing his current salary against other veterans is problematic, since contracts are usually backloaded and he is now starting a new deal while they are finishing out theirs.
Fourth, I fail to see how coming off an injury should among the reasons to keep a player. If that was the reason for his problems, then I feel that hurts the argument that we should have re-signed him. I’m not, however, arguing that the injury was the reason for the Arizona game, or any other game for that matter.
Finally, this was never meant to be about Jake, it was about what being a fan meant to me. You guys and DeAngelo believe otherwise, and that’s fine. Also, just something to chew on, answer this: do you really think someone who wasn’t a fan would have written all this, or would check this website from across the world in the middle of the offseason?
by the bomb dot com on May 30, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
This was not meant to be the article, jaxon.
In South Korea in case anyone was wondering, +13 hours time difference from Charlotte, NC- the reason for wonky time signatures.
by the bomb dot com on May 30, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh...that explains something
The sitemeter at the bottom of every page has a world map feature and I wondered who was reading from S. Korea. Now I know.
Bomb, you’ve been commenting around here a long time and I certainly wouldn’t put you in the ‘non-fan’ category at all. I would equate ‘non-fan’ more with ‘fair weather fan’ which you are not. I think anytime a QB has a game like Jake’s last one its only natural to question whether his time has passed. I think at some point have to trust management to make the right decisions most of the time because after all, you don’t have a choice. Or you could just not be a fan anymore. I think D-Will’s comment is more directed at the fans who to this day still rail on Jake and Fox and won’t be happy short of a SB win (and even then they will find some fault). We have those types on this board from time to time.
You put forth a good argument about Jake which is why I thought you would be a good one to argue that side of the debate. Peace out…BTW…seen any missiles fly overhead?
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by Jaxon on May 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What difference does it make not having a 1st?
Rookie QBs are rarely ready to play well quickly, and as such, it really just doesn’t make sense to take one knowing he won’t play for at least a year an d possibly longer.
Your salary complaint, too, is off as far as I’m concerned; Hasselbeck, Garrard, and Bulger are among the inferior QBs who will get paid more than Delhomme’s salary.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, rookies are rarely ready to play early, which is a reason for having them on board sooner rather than later for the eventual transition. I understand 1st rounders =/= success necessarily, but having a first round pick at least affords the option of having a first round QB.
I’m saying without a young guy on board, you’re forcing the team to be at the mercy of the FA market or our backups. Every offseason that goes by pushes back the eventual transition even more.
I like Moore, a lot actually, but I’m not sure how the team feels about him, and he’s a RFA after the season.
by the bomb dot com on May 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think...
that spending 1st-round money on a player who can’t contribute any way unless he’s starting (which he probably shouldn’t) is an efficient way to build a football team?
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was for....
Atlanta, Indy, Pittsburgh, San Diego (twice), NYG, Baltimore…etc.
Of course there are busts. Drafting a first round QB is always risky, but I look around at the league’s best QB’s and I see a LOT of first rounders.
Late round projects are the exception to the rule. I’m not picking sides, just trying to play devil’s advocate, but bomb dot com does raise the point that the longer we go without drafting a first round QB, the more pressure it puts on us to find someone in FA to take Jake’s place (or us sticking with a mediocre Jake when we shouldn"t). Late round QB’s are huge gambles and no good team can solely rely on finding a Super Bowl worthy QB later in the draft.
by pancanbra on May 31, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
Which is why we look for them in free agency, where we can have time to evaluate guys who have actually been in the league.
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys like Rivers, Manning, Roethlesburger, Ryan, Flacco, etc won’t be appearing in FA any time soon.
I feel QB is unique in the sense that teams are reticent to let them walk for free, especially young guys who can potentially alter the fates of franchises for years. Even guys like Schaub, who was still unproven, commanded a hefty price on the trade market. I think we even gave a 7th for McCown.
The guys acquired in FA are usually stop-gaps, older players, or career backups at best. There are exceptions, Delhomme being one of them.
Here are the 2010 QB FA (not up to date, as you can tell).
Many of the guys will get new long term deals (QB class of 2004), and the guys who will be hitting the market
are Boller, Croyle, Kitna, Redman, et al. I think this year is a pretty good example of what FA for QB looks like.
by the bomb dot com on May 31, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair...
But I think there are guys in the class next year who can be solid NFL QBs in the right situation:
Kellen Clemens-when he started for the Jets in ’07, they went 3-5. When anybody else did, they were 1-7.
Croyle-if he can get (and stay) healthy, he’s young and he’s got plenty of talent
I think McCown is the type of guy—if we hadn’t already traded for him—that we should look at in FA. He’ll only be 30, and he’s got 31 starts under his belt. He didn’t do badly for some pretty mediocre Cardinals teams.
Kyle Orton is just the kind of game-managing QB that can thrive in this system with playmakers around him. He knows what it takes to keep your team in the ballgame so you’re on top at the end of the day.
Finally, I think Charlie Whitehurst could be a good potential option. Just like Delhomme, he hasn’t seen much game action, but he’s talented and he might just be worth a flier if the FO likes his preseason game tapes and he interviewed/worked out well.
And, again, the nice thing about the Delhomme extension is that it takes the pressure off of us to do anything immediately. Any of those guys could be signed to a 2-3 year deal with the thought that we go with Jake as long as he stays steady, and if something crazy happens towards the end of one of those contracts (like a Rodney Peete@JAC-esque meltdown), we could have somebody ready to step in without the pressure or expectation of being signed to be the starter.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And coming off the injury isn't a reason to keep him...
It’s a reason he’ll likely be improved from a physical standpoint this year as opposed to last.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for laughs
5 reasons to keep Jake no specific order
1. Knows the system
2. Lots of heart
3. Can get the ball to Smith
4. Good game manager
5. Leader
5 reasons to dump Jake no specific order
1. Getting older
2. Poor pocket presence
3. Forces the ball to Smith
4. Doesn’t use his peripherals
5. Coming off major surgery
by Davejinxer on May 30, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jinx...I think I have enough to work with now
Keep an eye out for the great Jake Debate
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by Jaxon on May 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jax
I’m afraid this debate will continue until Jake either wins us a superbowl or retires.
by Davejinxer on May 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
didn’t he already come off that surgery. It’s been a year and a half now, more than enough time for him to be 100% physically.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you said before MP
Nobody knows how for sure how long it takes for a qb to recover from such a surgery since it is more common for baseball players. If he was still having issues related to his elbow in 2008, then this year that will no longer be an excuse since he by all means should be 100%.
by Davejinxer on May 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
That’s how I feel. But you put it as a reason to get rid of him, when the worst should certainly be behind him.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player with past injury issues is statistically more likely to experience injuries in the future. I’d say an aging QB with past elbow trouble is a decent argument against Jake.
by pancanbra on May 31, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
With TJ, the vast majority of baseball players who get it come back with a stronger and more durable ligament, allowing them to throw harder for longer once they get back to 100%.
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I was kinda listing some reasons for both sides that I have heard from the plethora of comments about Jake over the past year.
by Davejinxer on Jun 1, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Jake’s ability to get the ball to Smith is a good reason to keep Jake. If there is a QB out there in the NFL that can’t get the ball to his best wideout, not to mention one of the best in the league, then he shouldn’t be playing in the NFL.
Your reason number 3 against Jake (Forces the ball to Smith) underlies a larger defeciency in Jake’s game. He is pretty awful in going through his progressions when passing. He locks onto a receiver for far too long and is far too obvious about it. If a person sitting at home can tell immediately who Jake is going to throw it to, then the defense probably can too. Usually Jake will key on the featured receiver in the play…wait…wait some more…and then will always check down to the RB if it isn’t there. It’s rare that he will look for his TE and even rarer still that he will look for his #2 and #3 receivers.
Just watch the number of times Petyon’s head will shift during a passing play and you will see an amazing QB go through his progressions.
by pancanbra on May 31, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine...
So why were Smith’s two worst years (’06, ’07) the two where he was without Delhomme most often.
And boy, it sure is nice that Muhammad was able to rack up 900+ yards as the “rarely thrown to” #2 WR.
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I said #2 wide receiver, I meant the #2 wide receiver in the play. Smith is not always the featured receiver in a given play. Most often it is either Smith or Moose. So Moose’s 900+ yards are largely attributed to plays where he was the featured revceiver in particular plays. Not so much that he was a secondary target in a play designed to go elsewhere.
Of course Smith’s numbers were down when Jake was out. So were every other receiver’s numbers on the team. Jake is the best option we have…he just isn’t without imperfection.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Jake!!
Atlanta is still young at CB, we rather have your team only be able to run the ball. That way we can always shade a safety to help on Smith and keep on in the box. He sure does make Jake look better than he is. I sure y’all already do, but if not y’all should thank God every night for Steve Smith.
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
by NaGaNole on May 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Did Muhammad do that too? You know, in ’04, when he led the league in yardage and TDs with Delhomme throwing him the ball?
by MichaelProcton on May 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Panthers fan...
but 04 was 5 years ago. Things have changed and if you have a Falcons fan actually wanting to see your QB twice a year, you know something is wrong.
by pancanbra on May 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
Well since a Falcons fan wants to see Delhomme, that clearly mean’s he’s not the right guy for the job. Hope Moore and McCown are watching Falcons game film, since they’re clearly the better options to start against Atlanta.
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Those two RB's are 2nd rate. Bench them, too....lol
j/k
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
by NaGaNole on May 31, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah...you wish. ; )
You’ll be seeing the numbers on their back alot this season.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing the point MP. Of course I want Jake starting all 16 games, he’s our best option. It’s just becoming more and more rare that he wins us a game with his arm like guys like Matt Ryan can.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
..."like Matt Ryan can?"
When he threw 28+ times last year, the Falcons were 1-6 (including the playoff game.) When Jake hit that number, we were 3-4. And in all their wins, Ryan averaged 22.7 PAs; Jake was at 24.3. Looks to me like Jake was “winning games with his arm” way more often that Ryan.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, Jake had alot more pieces around him than Matt did. The Falcons were abysmal 2 years ago and improved to 11 wins with Matt Ryan and he was a rookie. That’s practically unheard of. So I’d say those numbers are a bit skewed because it doesn’t take into account the Falcon’s subpar defense in those losses. Perhaps I should’ve used another QB as a reference, but you can’t tell me you’d rather have Jake Delhomme this year over Matt Ryan.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
I am one of the more devoted Jake fans out their, but I’m not that much of a homo. If I had a shot at Ryan I would take him.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 2, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this year?
I’d rather wait until the kid proves he can go farther than Jake can and has first.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 2, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan benefitted from a much improved Falcon running game
just as Jake did. Turner lit it up.
MP with another handy and convincing stat!
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by Jaxon on Jun 2, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan may have much to prove
but I’ll take my chances.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 3, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he was close to
five years younger. I think it would be a miracle if Muhammad put up those type of numbers again. He is still a solid #2, but I think this is his last year.
by Flowing Willow on May 30, 2009 6:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moose will start if only to block 90% of the time
But man I am hoping Jarrett can become a more reliable target given he has soft hands. Moose’s big draw back is the drops.
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by Jaxon on May 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
So it’s always Jake’s “superior receivers” making him look good. I guess Payton Manning would be garbage without Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Stokley, et al.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MP......LOVE the way you think.......
Wondered how long it would be before someone realized the football didn’t miraculously appear in Smith, Moose, or any other receiver’s hands. No; Jake ain’t perfect, but he does seem to be quite productive when given a little help in the form of receivers, blocking, runners, and someone who knows how to call plays.
Geaux Panthers !!!
by koala on May 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW....
When Stokley was a free agent after the Ravens’ SB season; he made a visit to Carolina looking for a new team. I’m sure Jake would have loved to be playing pitch and catch with his favorite college target. Of course; he went on to sign with the Colts where he became a household name. Too bad he didn’t land in Carolina……..just perhaps we wouldn’t be talkin’ ‘bout a lack of capable receivers on the team today if they’d have signed him to a Panther contract.
Geaux Panthers !!!
by koala on May 30, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Jake but...
I honestly don’t think we will ever win a Super Bowl with him. We can win with him, we can probably even get to the playoffs with him but I think the Super Bowl ship has sailed for Jake. He came close when we had one of the best running games in the league in ‘03 and we had an even better running game in ’08 that was single handedly cut short by our QB. Smith is not getting any younger and logic would have it that unles our defense magically turns into something on par with the Steelers D, Jake won’t be able to win the big one.
And shouldn’t every fan/front office person’s goal be to win the Super Bowl, not just win more than they lose?
by pancanbra on May 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two words...
Trent Dilfer. He lowered the bar for all superbowl QBs. Fox&Co’s MO is run the ball and play good defense. Any QB can win with that approach. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and even Jake. All he has to do is manage the game. Against the Cardinals, he didn’t manage the game AND the defense played like shit!!! Now I think its safe to say that our running game should be intact for several years to come, barring injury of course. If we get our defense together, all Jake has to do is manage the game. We got an All-Pro middle linebacker and other solid young guys that we can build a championship caliber defense with, sooner rather than later. Maybe not necessarily next year, but within the next 3 yrs? I really think so.
by zrjohnso on Jun 1, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent Dilfer is the exception to the rule and proves that anything is possible. Is it possible that Jake can win a Super Bowl? Of course. Is it probable? I’m not so certain. And let’s not forget that the Baltimore Ravens had the best defense in the league that year. Our defense hasn’t been close to that standard lately. I agree, that barring injury, our running game will be just as proficient as last year, but the defense is the big key. It has to get better if we want to win and right now I can’t say that it’s better. Maybe Ron Meeks will turn it all around, but personel wise we lost Ken Lucas and are gambling that Richard Marshall can fill the void, and our defensive line is absolutely riddled with question marks.
As for the Cardinals game, that is one of the few games that you will ever see where you can pin the entire loss on one person. I don’t know what game you were watching, but the defense played hard well into the third quarter of a lopsided affair and every time the defense took the field they were backed up in their own zone. You can’t keep giving the team the ball next to the end zone to a team who had one of the best offenses in the league. Sorry, but that was all Jake’s fault. Six turnovers. End of story. He didn’t give the defense a chance and the running game which looked amazing on the first drive never really got a chance because we were losing for the rest of the game.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he?
Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl doing nothing for the Steelers but handing the ball off as a rookie.
The defense was bad in the Arizona game. Did they make a stop before that third quarter? Further, several of those INTs were directly off the hands of Panthers receivers. Also, the game was tied 7-7 at one point. Did the defense make any stops to keep us in the game? Nope.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you say that our defense is at the level of either Pittsburgh or Baltimore's?
As far as the Arizona game goes, our defense was given no shot by our offense. They had awful field position and were going up against the best offense in the league. You blame them for the loss? Are you kidding me? They certainly worked hard enough to get an interception in the third quarter when we were down 27-7, and what did our offense do? Throw another pick 50 seconds later. Can you imagine how demoralized they must have been throughout the game?
The Cardinals worst field position on a scoring drive was at their own 40 yard line and that was their first touchdown. After it was tied 7-7 only 3 of Arizona’s 26 additional points didn’t come off of a turn over. The fact that we held the league’s best offense to only 2 touchdowns out of 6 scoring drives that started within 50 yards of the end zone is pretty good.
You could argue that the defense allowed two huge plays from Fitzgerald, but outside of that Warner’s numbers weren’t that impressive and the Arizona running game only averaged 3.4 yards per carry. The real number that sticks out is Delhomme’s 6 turnovers. I don’t care if you have the Steel Curtain back there on defense, you’re going to lose the game when you give the best offense in football that kind of field position and momentum.
by pancanbra on Jun 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude no one is blaming it all on the defense. What are you talking about? They still didn’t play well. Including the second half of the season. That’s the point. Jake sucked that game, no doubt. But that one bad game doesn’t mean he can’t lead this team to a superbowl. You and all the other Jake haters are overreacting.
by zrjohnso on Jun 1, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wow...
Thank goodness for that third-quarter pick. By the time we were down three scores,THEN they were ready to try and hold down the Cards.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 2, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy smokes!
I just noticed this quote from the Yahoo article:
• Offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson, as part of a weight-loss challenge with other members of the Panthers organization, dropped 71 pounds this offseason and looks to be in much better shape than when he arrived in Carolina.
Is that worded strangely or did Davidson lose 71 pounds?
by the bomb dot com on May 31, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he did...
It’s been talked about quite a bit. The coaches and staff members got in on some conditioning and lifting with the players under S&C coach Jerry Simmons, and they lost something crazy like 300 lbs. combined. That’s like a whole person! A big one.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Mike Vick!
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by BQueezy on May 31, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Y’all can have him. We’ll trade him for a used Volkswagen and a subscription to Sport Illustrated…
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
by NaGaNole on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Schwartz panning out so far. You would have figured that the guy who block for Stew in college would know a little something about the game. I think he could turn into a decent G for us.
What has happened to Duke Robinson though? Haven’t heard much about the “5th Round Steal”.
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by Ivan459 on Jun 1, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think OG is the spot for him...
If he ever had to pull, he might not get to the outside before the play was over.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 2, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Roginson starts by game 8
due to Vincent injury.
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by Jaxon on Jun 2, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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