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How Will the Panthers Run Game Fare Next Season?

As everyone knows, last year the Panthers played a pretty easy schedule and this year we have the second-most difficult schedule in the league (right behind Miami) in terms of opposing team's records. On top of that, as most students of the game know, the running game often dictates the success (and hence, the final record) of a team more often than not. So last year, the Panthers had one of the best seasons ever running the ball...and we wound up 12-4. Many of the teams we ran against had the worst defensive rankings against the run...and so many of them wound up with the worst win-loss records in the league.

 

So, with that as a backdrop, I thought it might be interesting to do some analysis of what we're facing this season in terms of the increased competition we might face from opposing run defenses and what that might mean for our chances of success in posting another winning season. For the stat-lovers, here's the breakdown from last season for comparison. We played the following teams ranked in order of their run defense last year. I've also indicated how DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart each fared against those teams:

 

1st - Minnesota Vikings - (DW = 27 yds, JS = 53 yds)

5th - Chicago - (DW = 31 yds, JS = 77 yds)

9th - New York Giants - (DW = 108 yds, JS = 29 yds)

11th - San Diego Chargers - (DW = 86 yds, JS = 53 yds)

16th - Arizona Cardinals - (DW = 108 yds, JS = 10 yds)

17th - New Orleans Saints - (First Game: DW = 66 yds, JS = 68 yds; Second Game: DW = 178 yds, JS = 56 yds)

19th - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - (First Game: DW = 27 yds, JS = 12 yds; Second Game: DW = 186 yds, JS = 115 yds)

25th - Atlanta Falcons - (First Game: DW = 54 yds, JS = 55 yds; Second Game: DW = 101 yds, JS = 15 yds)

26th - Green Bay Packers - (DW = 72 yds, JS = 56 yds)

27th - Denver Broncos - (DW = 88 yds, JS = 52 yds)

30th - Kansas City Chiefs - (DW = 123 yds, JS = 72 yds)

31st - Oakland Raiders - (DW = 140 yds, JS = 21 yds)

32nd - Detroit Lions - (DW = 120 yds, JS = 130 yds)

 

 

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First, I think it's important to note that, for the 2008 season, Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart amassed 2,389 yards rushing with the help of their blockers. But, only 5 of our 16 games came against teams whose run defense ranked in the top half of the league. The other 11 games came against the bottom half of the league in terms of their run-defense strength...and, in addition, 6 of our total games came against the bottom third of the league in terms of run defense, including the bottom three finishers (KC, OAK, and DET). Of the total yardage cited above, D-Will and J-Stew only got 582 yards against the top-5 teams we played...i.e., less than 25%. And, 1099 yards came against the bottom third of the league...i.e., close to half.

 

So, I say all of that to indicate maybe we should take our running game's success last year with a grain of salt. We were good. And we certainly gained confidence as we went along. And, a big reason a lot of our opponents finished as low as they did in run defense last year was because of our success...and not just their weakness. So, it is what it is...and I just wanted to throw that out there for consideration.

 

Now, what about next year? Based on last year's rankings, what kind of run defenses will we be facing this time around? Here's our 2009 competition ranked in order of their run defense rankings last season:

 

1st - Minnesota Vikings

4th - Philadelphia Eagles

7th - New York Jets

8th - Washington Redskins

9th - New York Giants

10th - Miami Dolphins

12th - Dallas Cowboys

15th - New England Patriots

16th - Arizona Cardinals

17th - New Orleans Saints (2 games)

19th - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2 games)

22nd - Buffalo Bills

25th - Atlanta Falcons (2 games)

 

From that listing, it's clear we'll play 9 of our 16 games against the top half of the league in terms of run defense...and 6 of those games will come against the Top 10. Luckily, everyone in our division is still ranked in the bottom half of the league and we get to play them twice. But it's hard to beat a team twice in the same season...and I don't necessarily think we can count on those as easy wins just because of our run game. But, if we do manage to dominate in the ground game...and take advantage of run defenses in our division...maybe we pile up a strong enough division record to make the playoffs.

 

Regardless, I thought I'd post this analysis to get some reaction from the other fans and readers here. Do you believe our run-game improved last year on its own merits and not just because of the level of competition we faced? Do you believe our run-game can have continued success, at or near the same level of results, against next year's competition. Why or why not?

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I certainly think it had more to do than who we were facing.

Improved personnel both on the line and in the backfield made our run game a success, and with most of those players being young, they’re likely to improve with another year under their belts. Specifically, Otah and Stewart were rookies seeing their first ever NFL action, Kalil and Williams were both in their first years as starters, and Wharton and Gross will have the opportunity to stay in their positions in consecutive years for the first time in a long time.

by MichaelProcton on May 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nick

Send me an email. I have a question for you

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I wondered myself. Wasn’t sure if he was actually referring to you.

by MichaelProcton on May 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

I wondered that, too…but he replied to your post…

—Neil

by NSpicer on May 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

I meant Neil. Your email is private or I would have sent you one already. Just got a quick question.

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by Jaxon on May 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also to do with experience playing together

The running game didn’t really become dominant until the second half of the season, when they started to build some chemistry. Nobody outside Charlotte was even talking about Deangelo until the end of the year. Just look at his yards in 1st divisional games, compared to the 2nd. 147 yards 1st time around… but 465 the second! That is astonishing!

This year we will start off with the chemistry we built last year. We could possibly be even better.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on May 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

…do you still think our run game will hold up in 2009 (i.e., post similar results) despite going against 2 of the Top 5…and 6 of the Top 10…run defenses from last year?

by NSpicer on May 21, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

Top 10 guaranteed, and likely top 5.

by MichaelProcton on May 21, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t put too much weight on those “top 10” rankings from last year, or any year for that matter. First of all, teams change, often drastically, every year. But more to the point, Tampa Bay was the #3 defense last year when we put up 301 yards rushing on a Monday night. There’s a reason their ranking sank so drastically, and we were a big part of that.

But all in all, our power game is only getting better, and barring injury (knock on wood) I expect another season of excellence on the ground.

by r3 on May 21, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your points...

It’s true that teams change from year-to-year. Some of these vaunted run defenses from last season might slip because of free agent losses, tougher competition, etc. And some of the others (like maybe Atlanta?) might improve due to new acquisitions via free agency or the draft. So it’s all mutable.

In the middle of all that change, it’s actually very good that the Panthers have all their starters on offense coming back. Another year in Davidson’s system for the veterans. Another year of experience for last year’s rookies (i.e., Jonathan Stewart and Jeff Otah). And hopefully, another year for Jake to recover from Tommy John surgery so he can provide enough consistency at the QB position that people can’t just focus on stopping our run game. All of those things are going to be important.

by NSpicer on May 22, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rankings changing

I would think that it would almost need to be “Rankings against other teams.” Take out the games against the Panthers in order to see how hey really were.

If you put a beatdown on a division team both times you played them, their ranking would drop significantly.

by panthersnbraves on May 22, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rankings are obviously affected by schedule

Those at the top might have harder schedules this season (line the Panthers) and vice versa.

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our run game will still be pretty good.

Jonathan Stewart is definitely a weapon that will help against some of these stronger run teams. He’s more of your bruiser RB’s that will give you those 3 or 4 yards you need for the first down. And as Procton said we have a good number of our players returning for another year. You have to remember, this is the first time in a while that our offensive line has the same group of guys the next year as they did the previous year.

When you look at all the Super Bowl teams, especially the Steelers and the Giants, their running game thrives because they keep the same group of guys year after year. We haven’t had that with the Panthers.

It’s going to be a challenge, and we might suffer a little bit of a setback, but I would be suprised if Williams doesn’t break 1,100 yards.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on May 21, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stewart will be money inside the 10

As teams focus on stopping D-Will from busting one Stewart will get even more TD opportunities. He’s a fantasy sleeper for sure.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 21, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be that as it may,

don’t let me get the first overall pick in this year’s fantasy draft. DWill won’t make it to number 2.

by r3 on May 21, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't touch either one.

I’m scared off by the carries they both get. I’ll take Williams late in the 1st round, but otherwise I’d be happier with Matt Forte or Michael Turner. Both will have tremendous years again. Don’t worry though! If Stewie is available later, I’ll nab him.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on May 22, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify.

I won’t take Williams because I’m scared that Stewie might steal too many carries from him for Williams to be worth taking in the 1st round.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on May 22, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There will be plenty of running plays for both players

And though Stewart will be the goal line specialist D-Will will still get his TD’s. 20 will be hard to match but he will still due well.

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

No place to reach for Williams at the top of the draft, but if you can somehow manage to snag them both (as I did last year), you’ll be in the money.

by MichaelProcton on May 22, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, #10 pick it is for the Fairies

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like Forte

but if I get Williams or Jones-Drew I won’t be terribly bummed out. I think you guys are forgetting, Williams is a decent goal-line back. He stole some touches there from Stewie last year. So anyone looking for a clean cut split you are wasting your time. That said, I fully expect Stewart to improve upon his numbers. He was battling injuries a lot last year, and my father has nicknamed him Cramp as a result. (the Green Bay game where he about scored, but fumbled. Lucky thing Wharton hustles)

by Flowing Willow on May 22, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That should be a top play of the year for the o-linemen

When Wharton hustled down field and made that recovery. Huge.

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that entire series for Wharton was fantastic!

He had several huge blocks on that drive, including sealing the left side by eating up two guys while Jake sped *cough*cough* around the edge for a touchdown.

by r3 on May 22, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly! Lest we forget, DWill had four 1-yard TDs against GB.

The only time Fox has used a true “goal line running back” was the first half of 2005, when Stephen Davis racked up 12 touchdowns in limited time.

by r3 on May 22, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of credit should go to our oline too

Defenders can’t see around our huge lineman and DWill slips through even the smallest of holes.

by zrjohnso on May 22, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MP

do you have some kind of secret database of obscure Panther facts set up or something? I imagine we could all find this info at some point but you seem to get them so quick. Or is it you have the memory of an elephant?

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by Jaxon on May 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

The internet is MY treasure trove. pro-football-reference is great for historical stats. Just type a player’s name and reference, and their page will come up. For breaking news and injury updates, I like rotoworld.

by MichaelProcton on May 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he just has the memory of an elephant.

I remember a lot of stuff like that too, but I became a fan in 05, so I just have to remember the past four years. : D For instance, Chris Weinke wasn’t so bad of a backup. He led a comeback vs the Lions when Delhomme went down on a cheap shot. That same game, Harrington hit a long pass that Minter ran down at the five. They had to settle for a field goal.

by Flowing Willow on May 23, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he wasn't a bad backup...

He was SURE a bad starter. You’d be hard pressed to find a QB with a worse record than 2-18. And one of those wins was the DeAngelo Wildcat game in Atlanta.

by MichaelProcton on May 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said

he was a good starter (although he did throw for 300 yards against the Giants with like 4 TD’s, or int’s, one of the two) With a name like Weinke it’s hard to get respect, but he was a decent backup.

by Flowing Willow on May 24, 2009 2:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

Although you’re remiss in not mentioning his Panthers-record 61 attempts that game. Then again, I guess you might see that kind of line from a bad QB on another team…over the course of two games.

34/61-423-1-3

I guess that’d be an ok fantasy day.

For my league:

423 yds=16.92+1 pt. bonus for 300+ yards
1 TD=4 pts.
3 INT=-3 pts
16 rushing yds=1.6 pts

Total=18.52

by MichaelProcton on May 24, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

You’d have to start him to get the points though. Though he threw what, twice vs Atlanta the next week?

by Flowing Willow on May 25, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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