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Panthers Top 5 Position Battles: Offense

 

Continuing the review of the Panthers top position battles to look forward too in training camp we turn to the offense. In this case I've got 5 roster positions to analyze as the more intriguing match-ups to watch.  

#3 / Slot Wide Receiver

With the release of DJ Hackett it would seem Dwayne Jarrett has the inside track on this spot, or does he? Then the Panthers selected RB Mike Goodson in the 5th 4th round and quickly declared him a prospect for the slot position. When you add in 3rd year WR and PR Ryne Robinson and WR Jason Carter you have a full on competition. The Panthers could keep 6 wide receivers if two of them also fill duel roles, like 3rd RB, PR or KR. Since I don't have to explain where I would get the roster spot from I'm going to say the Panthers will figure out a way to keep all four mentioned above with Jarrett getting the first reps in the slot against the Eagles, then Robinson. Until we see what plays they run for Goodson in the preseason I can't say if he will even see the field outside of special teams. Carter could work his way into a rotation but working against him the Panthers focus on the running game. If the Panthers cut one at this point I have to say it will be Carter, my thinking being he may need more time coming off the injury.  

 

 

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Fullback

I don't think it's a given the Panthers keep two fullbacks. The Panthers will have some tough decisions with the final cut down so I'm thinking if the 4th round rookie Tony Fiammetta can instill some trust with management he might usher in the end of the Brad Hoover era sooner than expected. I love the Hoov as much as any fan and I don't think he has lost much on his game in spite of the obvious pounding he has inflicted on others. It could just come down to the headcount and the Panthers desire to take a chance on another player. I have not even seen film on Fiammetta so I can't say for sure he has the skills to do it but if there is a position that translates from college to the NFL it is fullback. If you know how to run and block the role can be adequately reduced to just that. It would be better for the Panthers in the long run if Fiammetta showed he was ready for the prime time immediately.  

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Will Panther WR Dwayne Jarrett Gives the Panthers a 3rd Option at WR in 2009?

#2 TE  

The Panthers may not run many two TE sets in 2009 but they will still retain the personnel to run it. Though they actually kept 3 TE's in 2008 that is not a given in 2009. Its safe to say Jeff King will be the starter and I'll say right now Dante Rosario holds off Gary Barnidge for the #2 position.  If the Panthers keep two FB's then Bardnidge could be the odd man out. Why Rosario disappeared after the San Diego game is still confusing to me as far as how little the Panthers involved him in the passing game.

Right Guard

In spite of the fact many other pundits are expecting rookie OG Duke Robinson to compete for Keydrick Vincent' spot I don't think it will be that close provided Vincent is healthy. I think Robinson's conditioning and inability to control his temper will be enough to let him watch a few games before the staff gives him more playing time. If Vincent shows wear and tear and Robinson gets in shape I might eat my words but my money is on Vincent starting against the Eagles.     

#2 QB

Since Luke Josh McCown wasn't brought into Carolina until after the preseason we has yet to participate in a TC competition in Carolina. 3rd stringer Matt Moore has to be miffed to be listed 3rd after playing so well at the end of 2007. If not for the preseason injury in 2008 he might be getting more consideration as competing for the starter's job. Moore represents the biggest boom or bust in camp. I can see him blowing away McCown and I can see him cutting cut. If he can't show more promise than McCown than the rookie UDFA Hunter Cantwell might be a darkhorse for the #3 QB slot. I'm going to stick with McCown holding the #2 job at the start of the season.

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WRs – If Jason Carter is fully recovered and picks up where he left off in last year’s training camp, I think he makes the squad and challenges Dwayne Jarrett for PT. Ryne Robinson might make it as the go-to PR/KR and as a backup WR. Goodson may challenge him for that role, and provide the added luxury of a 3rd RB. If the Panthers cut one, I think it’ll wind up Ryne Robinson or Mike Goodson…and I’m leaning towards Robinson. A lot of this is going to depend on 1) how Robinson and Carter bounce back from their injuries, 2) how well Goodson shows (as a RB, PR/KR, and WR), and 3) whether any of these guys get injured during training camp.

FBs – I don’t see Fiammetta displacing Hoover. Brad’s experience, production, and knowledge of the Panther’s offense is too great for a rookie FB (no matter how heralded) to overtake him in his first year. So Hoover wins this job easily. The only question that remains is whether or not the Panthers will carry two FBs. If they do, clearly, Fiammetta contributes on special teams as a blocker/tackler and serves as an insurance policy in the event Hoover gets nicked up. Or, Fox and Davidson might rotate Fiammetta in on occasion to spell Hoover and prolong his longevity if he’s been taking a pounding.

TEs – I think they keep all three of these guys again. Depending on how Rosario recovers from back surgery, I think there’s an outside possibility he could sit out the season on IR…in which case, we carry King and Barnidge for sure. And, we might pick up another TE or keep one around on the practice squad.

RGs – I think Vincent gets the starting role for his experience with the offense. But Duke Robinson will definitely make the team. I also suspect he’ll see playing time as a result of injuries to some of the other guys over the course of the season. Because of our focus on running the ball, I suspect the Panthers are always going to be reshuffling their linemen throughout the season. Seems to happen every year now.

QBs – I think it’s Delhomme, McCown, and Moore…in that order. Cantwell might make the practice squad, but that’s about all he can hope for right now. I also fully expect McCown to beat out Moore for the #2 job. He was #2 on the depth chart when they brought him in last year. I don’t expect that to change unless McCown looks terrible during preseason AND Moore lights it up at the same time. I don’t expect that to happen. So things stay the same.

Just my nickel’s worth,
—Neil

by NSpicer on May 13, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great idea from your post

Many teams have been switching to the 2 back rotation to keep RBs healthier. While this is great for the RBs, most teams have only one FB taking the beating. If we also rotate FBs, all of our backs stay fresh- and Hoov can continue to make plays even as the season wears on.

Also, keeping both FBs allows us to use Fiammetta as the emergency back while keeping Hoov in to block, in case of any surprises.

by the bomb dot com on May 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR/TE/RB/FB

I think we will keep 3 RB, 2 FB, 3 TE, and only 4 WR. Last year only 4 out of 5 WRs were active, along with 1 FB, 3 RB, and 3 TE. So 11 out of 12 “skill position” players will be active.

3 RB: William, Stewart, and Goodson. 2 Fb: Hoover and Fiammetta. 3 TE King, Rosario, and Barnidge. 4 WR: Smith, Muhammad, Jarrett, No.4 guy. This gives 12 that make the team. Now who will be active and who will be the 4th receiver?

At No.4 you have to start thinking about who will contribute the most on special teams, and also how big of a role Goodson can take on right away. If Goodson can be a slot WR/Returner right away, I think the fourth receiver could be inactive or only play on special teams. Four wide set could be Smith, Stewart, Jarrett, & Goodson. KR will be Goodson. If Goodson needs help returning, they may go with a guy that plays in the secondary or the 4th WR. If the Panthers activate a 4th receiver, then either Fiammetta or the 3rd TE will be inactive to make the numbers work.

If you are looking for the 4th WR to contribute on special teams, I’d say it would be between Robinson, Carter, or even Jason Chery. I think Chery might be a dark horse here, because in college he really played well on special teams. 60 career tackles, 2 punt blocks, recovered two fumbles, forced one fumble, and has 4.44 speed to add insurance as a kick returner. He has the potential to be the special teams ace for our team, much in the role of Karl Hankton.

by zrjohnso on May 13, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a few notes

Goodson was picked in the 4th round.

Our #2 QB will be Josh McCown. His brother Luke I think plays for Tampa Bay and will probably back up Leftwich and Freeman as the #3 QB.

I think most of the predictions are spot on. The most interesting to me will be what happens at FB and #3 WR. The TE position is barely less than an extra OL in our offense, so I do not see us throwing a lot of pass their way no matter who makes the team. I do hope that either Rosario or Barnidge improve their blocking so we can use more of the 2 TE sets to run out of.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on May 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Corrections made - thanks

I wrote it late last night and should have checked it over better. I always get Josh and Luke backwards for some reason.

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by Jaxon on May 13, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FB??

With our running game being so important to what we do offensively, I can’t see how we would not hold on to Hoover for atleast one more year. He is a stalwart that we know can bust holes wide open for our backs. Which is the point I am trying to make going with Fiammetta would be an unknown. And as a big fan of Hoover I would hate to see the organization throw him away after he has done so much and been so reliable. I mean the guy is still the upback on Punt coverage. Also about the Slot I want to think that Jarrett is going to have a break out season but that is the position I will be looking at the most

by Tvillepanthe on May 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice article

im kind of glad i somehow stumbled on this site a few weeks ago, i’ve liked most of your work along with being able to give my 2 cents( which is probably isnt even worth that lol), i dont see us keeping 3 TE’s, and i can see us keeping both FBs instead, fiammetta has decents hands out of the backfield and can block as well as pick up short yards, i think carter beats out robinson, he was a killer out there in the preseason i hated seeing him get hurt, with carter and goodson as the returners and possible slots WR’s i see is being smith, muhammad, jarrett, then one of them two. goodson seems like an obvoius pick here with him being able to play WR/RB/PR/KR. thats just to many positions that one player can play to pass up. as for the O-line i agree 100% with your thoughts, vincent worked pretty well for us last year if you ask me. and if hes not 100% then i think robinson can step in and play well. McCown over moore but i dont think caldwell can pass moore, caldwell will prob end up on PS if anything.

by saltinedeluxe on May 13, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Carter was catching the ball well

It will come down to who wins the PR battle. I’m not sure Carter can return KO’s and can only speculate from tape what Goodson can do.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 13, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Carter signed...

It was discussed that he’d be competing at PR and KR as well as WR.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nowhere else to put this

But Jason Taylor just resigned with the Dolphins. Why does this matter to us?

Because the Patriots were considering signing him- and now that they can’t, it might renew their interest in Peppers.

Just a thought…

by the bomb dot com on May 13, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't tinker with your bread and butter!

Actually Goodsen is going to be sooo dynamic at returning punts/kick offs, that they are going to have to use him in the 3rd spot. Actually that’s not my prediction, just my fantasy.

Not bringing Hoover back, and not starting Vincent would be big mistakes. They were both huge parts of our running game last year. And with so many questions this year, the last thing we need to do is start tinkering with our bread and butter.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on May 13, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Robinson might be the odd one out

Unless he shows enough improvement on returns to hold off Goodson, Carter, Cherry, and Beavers, or shows a significant improvement on his receiving skills, he might be cut. This would probably give us some more room to keep other players like Moore, Fiametta, or one of our CB’s.

On a completely unrelated note, Sam Mills was inducted in the College Football Hall of Fame. I’m curious, Mills was before my time. Is he worth a Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot?

by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2009 2:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Robinson will have a leg up

but if someone else shines and shows consistency and he does not then that could be it. He could win the PR job but not KR though I’m sure the Panthers would prefer to use one roster spot on both positions.

Good question about Mills. Maybe you could make it a separate fanpost and I’ll promote it to the front page

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where all this receiving improvement can come from...

He was given very few chances in his rookie year, but was basically just as good as Jarrett, and he never got a chance to get into any games before he got hurt last year.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panthers Set

   I think if the Patriots come after Peppers at this late date it should cost them dearly! Especially since our viable option to replace him just signed with the Dolphins. To little to late! We will just keep him unless they want to do Brady for Peppers. Yea ….I know this is just talk but so is a #2 for Peppers. Get real!
   About Hoover 8 years out of Western Carolina…..The time has come to move him on out. The QB position will fall to Moore down the line and McCown will be a footnote in the Panthers Registry. The job is still Jakes for atleast one more year! The offensive line will be fine and does it matter at TE….You can throw a blanket over the average group we have.

Josephs117

by josephs117 on May 14, 2009 3:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Two 1st round picks for Peppers

and nothing less at this point. Besides, even if the Patriots made the offer to Pep the Panthers could say we will match any offer. The cap hit can only go down for the Panthers at this point so money is not object.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Unless they include a poison pill in the contract. That’s how Steve Hutchinson ended up in Minnesota and Nate Burleson winded up in Seattle.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing.

Another team could also sign him to a contract that is front loaded. Meaning something like in his 1st year (this year) he would count 18mill against the cap and the following years would go down in the cap hit.

Either way would be ok with me. We could do a lot with two 1st round picks.

Although neither one will happen with Brady’s contract up soon (in 2 years I think) and Wilfork’s up this year (I think).

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on May 14, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They didn't put the Franchise tag on him

The “poison pill” worked while the Transition tag was placed on a player and not the Franchise tag, which is why some coaches don’t like the Transition tag.

“The transition tag is currently at the center of a controversy regarding its potential usefulness in light of the contract offered by the Minnesota Vikings to Steve Hutchinson, an offensive guard who had received the transition tag following the 2005 season from the Seattle Seahawks. The contract was for $49 million over seven years, $16 million of which was guaranteed. However, the Vikings added a “poison pill”: The entire $49 million contract was guaranteed if Hutchinson were not the highest paid offensive linemen on the team he signed with. Since Hutchinson’s salary was less than that of the Seahawks’ Walter Jones, an offensive tackle, his contract would have been guaranteed by the Seahawks, while the Vikings, having no offensive linemen averaging more than Hutchinson’s proposed salary, would only be obligated to pay the guaranteed $16 million. The Seahawks filed a grievance with the NFL league office, claiming that the poison pill was illegal under the collective bargaining agreement in that the Seahawks would have to pay significantly more than the Vikings despite matching with the exact same contract. An arbitrator ruled in favor of the Vikings, and the Seahawks were essentially unable to match and received no compensation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag

by meanoreno on May 14, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

But there’s no difference in the ability to include such a term in an offer to a franchise player. We’d just be owed two firsts instead of nothing when we couldn’t match.

by MichaelProcton on May 15, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I really don’t know for sure if there is way of including a “poison pill” in an offer to a player under a Franchise tag or not. I imagine it couldn’t be done since it hasn’t been done and has been done more than once with the Transition tag. Also, there’s no controversy about this with the Franchise tag like there is with the transition tag.

" Future uses of the transition tag could result in the club losing their transitioned player in similar fashion, rendering the transition tag effectively useless. This has caused some, including former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue, to believe the collective bargaining agreement must be amended to prevent this from happening again in the future."
http://packerchatters.com/news/nfl/

If a team was scared about a poison pill being included in a offer with their Franchise tagged player they would just simply Franchise that player under the exclusive version where no other team could negotiate a contract with them. The exclusive version is hardly ever used because players get more ticked off and some teams are open to the idea of getting two 1st round draft choices.

“There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

    * An “exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount equal to or greater than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
    * A “non-exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount equal to or greater than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation."
http://packerchatters.com/news/nfl/

“The Raiders used the exclusive version of the franchise tag on Nnamdi Asomugha. The guys over at Pro Football Talk know more about this than I do, but the exclusive tag means that no team can steal him away. A franchise player can sign with another team, but that team must give up two first round picks to do it. Apparently the Raiders were afraid of losing Asomugha since they used the exclusive tag. The only team to use the exclusive tag last year was Indianapolis, and that was to keep Dwight Freeney.

In a very interesting move, the Steelers used the transition free agency tag on offensive tackle Max Starks. That allows Pittsburgh the right of first refusal for any deal that Starks signs, though it brings up a potential “poison pill” situation for a team putting a rider on a contract that guarantees the entire deal if the parent team attempts to resign the player. It’s like what happened with Steve Hutchinson in 2006 where Minnesota used a poison pill to steal him away."
http://www.draftking.com/nfl/news/2008/2-20-2008.shtml

by meanoreno on May 15, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

You continue to show that it hasn’t been done. That’s a good bit off from it can’t. Again, the ability to put one in is still there for a franchise tag. It s just that doing it with a franchised guy would force you to pay his contract AND give up two firsts. In the transition, the team making the offer would do nothing but circumvent the original team’s right to match their offer.

by MichaelProcton on May 15, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Position battles

To me, the best position battle of training camp didn’t make the list. Kickoff and punt returner will be the tightest battle. Let me set the stage for the battle royale:
Ryne Robinson (coming off injury)
Jason Carter (coming off injury)
Decori Birmingham (off practice squad)
Mike Goodson (4th round rookie draft pick)
Jason Chery (rookie free agent)
Larry Beavers (rookie free agent)

Given that Fox would probably rather use one roster spot rather than 2 — I’m thinking its going to be one guy for both return positions. I would say a lot is on the line where the winner gets a roster spot and the losers get released or practice squad [with the exception of Goodson and Carter].

I read that Beavers and Chery are burners. It will be very interesting.

by ThiagoTyson on May 14, 2009 7:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was saving special teams for another post Thiago

but you are correct. The Panthers have a bevy of players to try the position. With Marshall moving to starting CB who will replace him as a ‘gunner’ on kick coverage?

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by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the KR/PR battle too

I hope Robinson comes back healthy. I think he’s a good receiver as well as returner. Larry Beavers’ numbers are ridiculous in college. And as I posted earlier, I am interested to see what Chery can bring considering he played such a big role on special teams in college.
http://nflblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/sleeper-louisiana-lafayette-wr.html

Does anyone remember the guy a few years ago that returned every kick and punt in the entire preseason then didn’t make the team? I think it was Efrem Hill. Just goes to show that you never know until the cuts are made.

by zrjohnso on May 14, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice link

I was thinking he was strictly a returner but if his specialty is also covering kicks I’m sure the Panthers have a need for that too.

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by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Efrem Hill

Ok I figured out it was Efrem Hill in 2006. He returned every punt in preseason play, and everyone thought he would make the 53-man roster, but was cut instead. Chris Gamble did most of the punt returns that year instead. Including the very forgettable ‘06 Vikings game, where he tried to lateral it to Richard Marshall ….. and you know the rest. Kinda ruined Gamble’s reputation for awhile, and a lot of fans wanted us to get rid of him. Not the case anymore after Lucas and Marshall both had a bad season last year. I think Fox & Co. learned after the ‘06 season that starters shouldn’t return kicks. That’s why we drafted Robinson, signed Mark Jones last year, and brought in all the undrafted guys this year.

by zrjohnso on May 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just had to mention the Minny game

and that game-costing lateral.

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by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now...

There was blame to go around there. Maybe Gamble made the worst 10-yard toss in the history of football, but the play had to get called first.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it was a terrible call

very un-Fox like to make such a risky call at a time he was protecting a lead

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by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

WR: I can’t imagine both Robinson and Carter making the team. They have redundant skill sets. Personally, I think Robinson’s just better, as both a receiver and returner. And yes, his injury could still effect him in some way. It was definitely more severe than Robinson’s.

FB: I can’t imagine Fiammetta starting over Hoover at any point this year. Hoover’s performance of last year and his low salary—along with his wealth of experience—tells me he’s here for at least one more year. Further, his presence will only aid in the development of TonEEEEEEEEEE (see…the FB chant doesn’t have to go away altogether.)

The TE situation is kind of interesting, I suppose, but I think we’ll stay with three of ‘em. Remember when we kept Christian Fauria around to serve as the #3? Strikes me that either Rosario or Barnidge is more valuable to keep around than he was. Still, if it’s close, some things to consider are Rosario’s surgery, his higher salary, and his extra year of development. They may feel he’s reached the extent of his upside.’

RG: Frankly, I haven’t seen any writer suggest that Robinson is a favorite or even a real legit possibility to take over for Vincent. I’ll feel comfortable if he has to step in, but I think Vincent’s year in the system and vet experience will give him a very clear edge.

QB: I sure wish everyone would quit with the notion that Matt Moore “played well.” His starts came against a Tampa team resting most of their starters, a Seattle team with nothing to play for that STILL held us to 13 points, and a Dallas team that forced Moore into a pretty terrible game the only time we played a team that was really trying. Further, he was TERRIBLE in the preseason last year. I do think, though, that he’ll stay ahead of Cantwell on the 53. Actually, one way to free up a roster spot might be cutting him if he doesn’t impress and stashing Cantwell on the PS like we did with Basanez one year.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points on the QB battle.

Also it will be very interesting come cut time at a few of these positions. I do not see any scenario where we cut Fiammetta after we spent a 4th rd pick on him and the same can be said of Goodson (for those of you who are enamored with Jamal Lee’s workout numbers). But the question seems to be, do we keep 3 TE’s and 2 FB’s? Seems like a bit of overkill.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on May 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it all depends...

on how guys can contribute. We were able to use a roster spot on Donte Curry last year knowing he did nothing but play on ST. We’ve seen Rosario and Barnidge go on ST as well as offense, and it strikes me there’s something Fiammetta can do to contribute in more than one unit. One would think his skillset could allow them to use him as the personal protector on the punt unit as they have with Hoover for years, for example.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we will...

keep two FB’s and three TE’s. But I think only four will be active. I think all three of our TE’s have underrated receiving skills. It all depends on how we use them.

by zrjohnso on May 14, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

If Moore performs well the Panthers might be able to trade him for a late round pick as long as McCown plays well too. The stashing of Cantwell on the practice squad may be what happens. Good observation.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 14, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be nice...

though late preseason trades are pretty rare in football, unlike, say, baseball, where there are just more roster spots to go around.

by MichaelProcton on May 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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