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The Rebuttal to My Post: Some Panthers Post-Draft Analysis Are Complete BS

Update: The Rebuttal

I got an email earlier today from Mr. Stevens who is none too happy with the post below. You will see he offers some explanation for his original comments which I've posted below the jump. I'll let you be the judge of his arguments. In some cases though I had to insert my comments which I have put in bold.

I do regret picking this fight only from the standpoint that the last thing I really wanted was to get into a pissing contest but...here we are. Those of you that have been reading this blog for a while know this is not my normal method of operation and I assure you I don't intend to waste your time with future petty bickering. With that I also felt it would not be fair to at least let Mr. Stevens offer a rebuttal (but of course he could have simply signed up and posted his response).

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It's one thing when I guy like Mel Kiper gives you a "C" on your draft report card; the guy has been in the scouting business a long time and has earned the right to make such evaluations whether you agree with him or not. It's a whole other thing when some kid named Andrew Stevens from the Goldsboro News-Argus (somewhere near Greensboro, NC Eastern, NC) calls your draft picks "questionable" and then lays out a completely BS argument in his piece titled Opinion -- Carolina makes questionable picks in 2009 NFL Draft.

It's been a while since I've taken apart a journalist so I'm going to try and be professional here but my blood pressure is up! So where to start? How about the second sentence:

Carolina's offseason blunders began by not signing a single player in free agency to address needs at wide receiver, defensive back and both the offensive and defensive line.

Umm...that would be because the Panthers didn't have enough cap space to buy a used Lexus. Where have you been Andrew? There's that little issue with the franchise tag on Julius Peppers that swallowed a ton of cap space. Sure, maybe they should have re-signed Delhomme sooner but you failed to mention that at all.

He continues on the Delhomme rant but seems to argue both sides:

Delhomme threw for over 250 yards just four times last season and had one or fewer touchdown passes in 13 different games... Carolina is 54-33 in the regular season and the playoffs over the past six seasons when Delhomme starts.

The Panthers still went 12-4 on a run-oriented team in spite of Delhomme' apparently ‘woeful' performances and he's won 21 more than he lost. He then cements his ineptitude on recent events with this one:

Carolina chose to pass on Jay Cutler when the former Denver quarterback was on the trading block ...

 

 

Star-divide

Did you not see what the Bears gave up to get Cutler? The Panthers didn't ‘pass' on Cutler, they didn't even have the ante to get in the game, which was a 1st round pick in this years draft. They didn't pass on crap.

Moving on to the next topic:

Carolina made a pair of puzzling picks in the fourth round, selecting tailback Mike Goodson from Texas A&M and fullback Tony Fiammetta of Syracuse....Running the football clearly isn't an area of concern for Carolina, which makes the selections of Goodson and Fiammetta somewhat questionable.

Again Andrew, did you do any research before publishing this shallow analysis? The Panthers quickly pointed out that Goodson will try his hand in the slot and returning kicks as well as provide depth as a 3rd RB. Fiammetta will be groomed to replace the aging Brad Hoover at FB. Believe it or not but the FB is sort of a key cog in the Panther running game, which you correctly pointed out ranked 3rd in the NFL last year.

He then jumps on the ‘Panthers Needed a WR' bandwagon:

There were nine wide receivers taken in the first two rounds of last weekend's draft and 35 were selected overall. Passing on the opportunity to give an aging and streaky quarterback another deep threat could come back to haunt Carolina.

Seven of the nine he mentions were already gone by #43 and the other two were Pat White and UGA's Mohamed Massaquoi. Neither was worth where they were drafted in my view nor were they worth the #59 pick. You could argue with picking a true WR instead of the Goodson pick but any rookie WR drafted in the 4th round will struggle to crack the 3rd string on this team, but again that argument wasn't made.

So let's get to the grand finale of Steven's 'opinion':

There's a reason why franchises such as New England, Pittsburgh and Indianapolis have proven draft track records that correlate to on-field success.

As long as the Panthers continue to play it close to the vest off the field, the organization and its fans will continue to reap what it sows.

So what is the reason Andrew? What's the correlation? That the winning teams pick good players in the draft? Holy smokes you might be on to something there! You have to be freaking kidding me right? And so the Panthers better stop playing it ‘close to the vest' or they will ‘reap what they sow'? They reaped a 12-4 record and a NFC South division crown in 2008. Damn, they must be doing something wrong. Maybe they should gamble a little and let's say...trade a future first round pick for a potential impact player? Now that would be doing something.

I've had some fun with Andrew and trying to figure out what his opinion actually was. After reading his bio it does explain some of his naivety, he's young and apparently has only written for lets say some 'local' rags:  

Andrew Stevens graduated in Dec. of 2005 from Liberty University with a degree in Broadcast Journalism. Before arriving at Liberty, Stevens spent two years at Milligan College in Johnson City, TN. In the summer of 2005, Stevens worked as a sports intern at the Burlington Times News in Burlington, N.C. Stevens served as Assistant Sports Editor for Liberty's student newspaper The Champion in the fall of 2005. After graduating from Liberty, Stevens spent a year and a half as a sports writer with the Martinsville Bulletin in Martinsville, Virginia, before coming to the News-Argus. Stevens is from Eden, N.C.

I guess when you have a distribution of about 500 in rural NC you're not used to people expecting you to actually do research. If Andrew should read this I apologize, I've been a bit harsh but it was just damn fun and way too easy. Okay, I'll stop now...or I'll never stop laughing long enough to go to bed tonight!

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Mr. Stevens Rebuttal: [my comments in brackets]

Jack,
First, let me start by saying I appreciate you taking the time to read my column. The fact that you're willing to rip me on the internet is an honor. I appreciate the publicity [your welcome]. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it's pretty clear you have your opinion as well.
However, I feel my opinions are valid and yes I am a Panthers fan as well. I realize that you're the moderator of a Panthers fan board so when anyone writes anything negative about the Panthers it gets you all upset [not really]. Which makes me wonder if you actually work in journalism or if you're just a fan boy [Actually the correct term is 'Blogger'] that runs a message board?
I'm baffled by your allegiance to Jake Delhomme. The guy throws five interceptions in the most important game of the season last year, and if you think the guy is franchise quarterback material you're kidding yourself.
Also, if you think Carolina doesn't need a legitimate receiver to go along with Smith and Muhsin Muhammad you apparently haven't been watching the same team. Muhammad was the only Panthers receiver to catch a pass of 60 yards or longer last season while Smith had six of Carolina's 15 touchdown catches a year ago. This is one reason later in the season Delhomme was trying to force passes to Smith that weren't there, thus the 12 interceptions he threw last season. You say in YOUR opinion that Pat White nor Mohamed Massaquoi were worth where they were drafted. Sure, Carolina may not have had a need for a player like Pat White, but I completely disagree that the Panthers couldn't have used Massaquoi. I'm not buying the fact that Muhsin Muhammad, D.J. Hackett, Jeff King, Dwayne Jarrett or Dante Rosario give Carolina a viable deep threat capable of stretching the field the way Smith does [Massaquoi a deep threat? He ran a 4.6 at the combine, the same as Jarrett]. Sure, you can win games in the NFL with a solid running attack and one legitimate receiver but you can't win championships. Look at the elite teams in the NFL right, Indianapolis, New England [didn't make the playoffs in 2008] and Pittsburgh for example, they have at least one real deep threat [which the Panthers do] and multiple other receivers that keep defenses honest. Carolina doesn't have that and that's one major area where they dropped the ball in free agency and the draft.
As far as my final point in the column, yes the Steelers, Colts and Patriots typically draft well and make picks that translate into success on the field. They draft smart [examples?], not safe, and at times they're willing to take risks. As long as Carolina continues to avoid rolling the dice once in a while and being overly loyal to players past their prime they'll always come up short in their quest for a championship.
The last thing I want to say is I don't have a problem with you attacking my opinions of the Panthers draft picks. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion [I never disagreed with your right to an opinion, just that as a paid sports writer that you identify what you are basing your derogatory opinions on].
However, when you start to attack my career, where I've worked in the past and the circulaton of those papers you show me what type of person you really are. Maybe if you spent more time researching your precious Panthers or better yet, doing something PRODUCTIVE and not looking up who I am, where I'm from and where I went to school [it took all of two clicks] you would be better off. Stay classy and enjoy watching the Panthers be mediocre again in 2009 [mediocre again? and you call yourself a fan?].

Andrew Stevens

END REBUTTAL

So there is his explanation my fellow Panther fans. I still can't help but chuckle at some of his comments, like 'fan boy', when I know I'm old enough to be his daddy. I could go on and on but I really have no interest in carrying this on. Since I'm sure Andrew will be reading this at some, all I have to say is "Look me up at Panthers Training Camp" and I'll buy you a beer and hopefully we can laugh about this. Only then when you see the QB drills will you know why I still think Delhomme presents the Panthers best chance to win in '09.

Go Panthers!

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I agree with much of your criticism if not all of it.

I’m of the crowd that says we should have let Peppers go or worked harder to trade him, giving us either the cap room to pursue FA’s or the players/picks to better the team. But given the predicament we were in on draft day, we did pretty well. Notice that the Steelers didn’t draft too much in the way of grade-A players either. Like Pittsburgh, we are defending division champs and went 12-4 last year. We only had a few severe holes to fill, and we either have filed them, or are well on our way to.

by chillicothe20 on Apr 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

draft grades are garbage

Does anyone remember the Patriot’s draft grade for 2000? The day after the draft, I’m sure none of the experts mentioned drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round, a couple picks before the Rams picked Marc Bulger. Then there was the year that Antonio Pierce wasn’t drafted at all. Here’s an easy one, what about everyone hating on Houston for draftin Williams instead of Reggie Bush. None of the draft grade experts are doing anything other than guessing at how well someone will do.

by usana_gaines on Apr 30, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They just do that because it makes a gauge for who is going up and who is going down

Draft Grades are garbage but I love to look at them. People that actually have some connection to the team (not Andrew Stevens) can understand the draft like many of us do now. When you see a pick like Goodson or Martin it may scratch your head if you look at it on a level of “I follow the Panthers when I feel like it.” But with draft grades it is really easy to hate on Williams. I friend and I yesterday talked about how Williams and other DE’s hardly have any impact their first year. When Reggie Bush can make plays, it seems like the obvious choice. But as it has panned out 3-4 years, it all makes sense. Just like other drafts, we should look at this 3-4 years from now. Then we can pose questions like should we have taken Smith instead of Martin? Did we overpay for Brown? etc. I am personally just surprised that Stevens has no sources. I don’t know where he gets his info from.

by GMallory on Apr 30, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just noticed something

Is his name Sullivan or Stevens? I see both in this piece.

by GMallory on Apr 30, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Didn’t catch that but now corrected. It is Stevens

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with everything..only one correction

I agree that this guy’s argument is totally incorrect but, I just wanted to let you know as a fan from the triad area goldsboro is no where close to Greensboro its in the eastern part of N.C. other than that I am totally on your side on this one.

by Tvillepanthe on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I admit I didn't mapquest it

I thought I saw some mention of Greensboro on the site. I should have looked it up. Thanks

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and welcome to the blog

Is ‘tville’ = tigerville?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is

Thomasville, near Greensboro and the home of Brad Hooooover..

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on now...

You gotta tell people you’re near High Point to keep our name out there! :)

by MichaelProcton on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you in the Furniture capital MP?

Or is that Hickory? Been there often in the past. Very nice area, especially this time of year.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, HP is the FC...

Spring market is, in fact, ongoing.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your Right

I’m from Thomasville and of course proud to say the home oh HOOOOVER, i have his jersey up in the closet waiting for next season to begin

by Tvillepanthe on Apr 30, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got an email from Andrew Stevens

He’s not too happy about this post…He provides his reasoning for some of his statements…seems if he had done that to begin with we wouldn’t be talking about it. I’m not sure if I’m going to post his rebuttal…should I?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stay tuned tonight!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liberty University, powerhouse in producing journalism stars

If he were in a draft for writers, he would probably be Mr. Irrelevant.

by kilgore_trout on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liberty University

that explains it to me. I will be interested to see his rebuttal.

by bengoodfella on Apr 30, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not near Greensboro!!

Goldsboro is NO WHERE NEAR Greensboro!!! I live in Greensboro. And whereas Goldsboro might be “some rural area with a distribution of 500”, Greensboro is the 3rd largest city in the state (only behind Charlotte & Raleigh)! But beyond that, I totally agree with your column and this kid from Goldsboro needs to wipe the Similac off his tongue and live some NFL football and Panther football for a while!
Let’s hope Everette Brown continues to be the impact game changer he was at FSU, and Duke Robinson & Tony Fiametta are the absolute BEASTS they appear to be!!
Before the draft, I wrote that I saw a 10-6 season, after seeing the schedule…….I still see it as 10-6 right now, but reserve the right to change that once Training Camp opens and we see what the Panthers really got in the draft. Let’s keep hope alive!!

by Vinnie 16 on Apr 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should cut some slack

It is an opinion piece after all. Just because someone has an opinion doesn’t mean they have to back it up with good reasons, right? oh, nevermind… :)

by LittleKing on Apr 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point...

But he is being paid to write about sports…certainly there has to be some level of expectation. I do regret suggesting his small town roots are to blame…it really has no bearing on the issue, which is he has offered a qualitative assessment without identifying what he is basing it on. He rebuttal is coming soon.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my post was suppose to be completely sarcastic

I’ll make sure I use the sarcastic quotes next time

[Sarcasm] … [/Sarcasm]

by LittleKing on May 1, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get his comment about our wideouts

We only activate four on gameday on one is the return man. So Jarret, Smith, and Moose, our starting lineup is set. Jarret is coming into his third year so I expect big things from him. I would like for us to nab another burner in next years draft, as Smith won’t stay around forever, but apart from that our wide receiver position is set for 2009. Also, his fact that only Moose caught a pass 60 yards or longer is false, Smith’s toe-tapping catch vs Arizona was 64 yards. Anyway, I’d love to see how this guy defends his arguments. Post it Jaxon! :)

BTW I’m new here, I look forward to reading your posts throughout the season.

by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the blog Flowing Willow

interesting name, is there a story behind it? Is it your Indian name?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would not be surprised to see our WR be

Smitty, Moose, and Jarrett as the only activated “WR” with Flash Goodson as the 3rd RB AND 4th WR.

What do you think?

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on May 1, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm... I wouldn't be surprised, either.

But look out for Ryne Robinson. He might not even be the best returner on the active roster each week, but I think he’s got a real shot at being our 3rd receiver. The light bulb has always been on with him (unlike ahem some people), and he’s definitely got a nice set of receiving skills. I feel fairly good about our receiver situation.

by r3 on May 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Robinson has the skills to contribute as a receiver and returner.

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last season

I heard prior to last year that we were looking for another returner and Robinson might be competitive for the #3 receiver slot. Then he got hurt so we never saw it develop, but we’re on the lookout for him this year. If not, and we’re bringing in other guys every year to try to return kicks, then Robinson might not make the team at all. I’ll be watching.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice way to save a roster spot

If Jarrett can’t earn the #3 spot then he has to be called a bust. The Panthers gave Colbert and Carter four season before cutting them loose. Should Jarrett get the same time or might they cut their losses earlier? How many catches do you think their are for a #3 in this offense? 30-40 on the season maybe? He should be able to do that.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's got time...

He’s signed for cheap through the end of the ‘10 season. As for the #3 potential, I think 30 catches is a minimum. That’s fewer than two a game, and with the reps you’d expect that guy to get at #2 when the other wideouts are taking a blow, there are more chances there.

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

You (Jaxon) are a lot more familiar with the Panthers, their capabilities, talent, and needs than Andrew Stevens is. He states the Steelers, Colts, and Patriots draft smart, not safe, and at times are willing to take risks. Taking risks is exactly what the Panthers have done two years in a row with trading for the pick to use on Otah and this season with the pick for Brown. This is a huge risk that takes guts on their part.

The last few years they have been drafting smart rather than safe, which is how they came about drafting Kalil when they needed a safety instead. The smart thing to do was draft a really good center rather than an average to below average safety of need.

As for him using the Steelers, Colts, and Patriots as examples, the usage of these teams by writers is getting really old. It seems like they all do it because they think it’s safe, whose going to argue with it when every other sports writer uses them as examples too. I doubt half of them who use these examples are even knowledgeable of the players they drafted.

Mr. Stevens seems like a nice enough fellow, but rather tell you the following: “Maybe if you spent more time researching your precious Panthers”, he should be doing it himself, especially if he figures on making a living writing about them.

by meanoreno on May 1, 2009 3:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo...

The Panthers HAVE been risk takers…and it’s paid off the past two years.

The love of the Patriots is getting real old. They lost their QB early and then missed the playoffs. Sound familiar?Yet everyone still acts like they can do no wrong. For example (I give examples) last year we questioned the selection of LB Jerrod Mayo at #10. Sure he is a good player but I still think they could have traded back and got him in the 20’s just as the Panthers did with Beason two years ago.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya know, I lost count

of how often I said while reading Andrew’s rebuttal, “That doesn’t make any sense.” Whether he thinks DJ Hackett is still on the roster, or he thinks that 60-yard plays are what the offense should be based around, or he feels a 12-4 season is a failure. Like I say, I lost track, but it happened often.

Regardless, I think the more important thing to think about here is that he’s probably not going to be able to win a battle with any of us on the merits of his arguments. I think the overall tenor of discussion on this blog is at a higher level, specifically when it comes to the Panthers, than Andrew’s column and rebuttal demonstrate that he understands right now. About this team. No crime in that, and I’m perfectly happy to give him his space and allow him to voice his opinion.

That said, we’ll all defer to Andrew on the latest happenings with the Eastern Wayne baseball team, because I’m guessing none of us follow that team closely. So it’s not really fair to tear up a budding sports journalist when he offers his opinion on a team he probably only thinks about sixteen sundays a year. Feel like having a go a Tom Sorensen? Pull out the long knives, he can take it.

But when it comes to the Panthers, we’re swimming in the deep end around here. Going after a young guy who’s not on the beat… we should aim higher.

by r3 on May 1, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome

I would like to say welcome to Cat Scratch Reader, Andrew. This is where real Panther fans go to learn about the Panthers and give our opinions. Because oof where I’m located, I’ve depended on Jaxon for over two years now to keep me up to date. Other guys have since joined and provided lots of news and insight, such as Revshawn, Little King, r3, Southtunnel, etc. Mr. Stevens, I hope that in the future, when you really want to learn about what’s going on in Panther country, you continue to check out the CSR. Obviously you’ve read articles from this site before.

On a personal note, I think if you see Jaxon at training camp, let him buy you a beer…I appreciate his work.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 4:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call!

usana, you’ve just said the magic words! When I see Jax at training camp, I’m going to let him buy me a beer! Won’t stand in his way. I appreciate his work too much to turn down a cold beverage.

But yeah, best Panthers discussion group on the web, hands down. Smart people having well-reasoned discussions. It’s like the anti-sports radio.

by r3 on May 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all about the cap

and the active roster. An upgrade at QB would be helpful – although Jake has stopped throughing “Pick 6s” on out routes…. and a really good 4th and 5th WR would be great, and to have kept the backups at DL and OL and long snapper would all be nice …. but you just can’t have it all, that’s the point of the salary cap and roster limitations. You have to pick your spots.

I hate the FB selection, because that means that Hoover’s retirement just might be happening soon, but overall, I think the Panthers went after the positions they needed help at the most. Given the needs and restrictions, let the two backup QB’s have a chance to prove themselves. Next year’s QB class is expected to be great at the top, which might make a steal available in the second round…. or they might not need one after all…

by panthersnbraves on May 1, 2009 6:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We will miss Hoov no matter how good Fiammetta is

“Fiammeeeeeettaaaaa” just doesn’t have the same ring

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...

think of how nice it’ll be to have Fiammetta be able to learn under Hoover. Hoover came into the league as a nobody who carved his own niche through smarts and hard work. If we can impress those qualities onto a guy with the talent to be the unanimous #1 FB in the draft, we’ll have a strong future at the position.

I agree with your QB thoughts, too. A good class will bump better prospects lower in the draft.

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hoover

I remember last year during OTAs, Hoover was wearing a 30 lb weighted vest to simulate wearing pads. We just has a desire to put in the work, and that means a lot. Fiammetta might be able to learn from Hoover’s skillset, but it’s his work ethic that sets him apart.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from pro football talk.com

PFTV Looks At The Teams With The Best Drafts
Posted by Mike Florio on May 1, 2009, 12:10 a.m.
As we continue to process the outcome of the 2009 edition of the annual incoming player selection meeting, we offer up a PFTV segment that looks at the teams that had the best drafts.

Based, of course, only on the picks and without the benefit of knowing who becomes good players — and who doesn’t.

In other words, no one knows what the hell will happen. But since our alternative is to talk about Brett Favre and/or Mike Vick, wouldn’t you prefer this?

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FB we drafted

I think the FB we drafted was a good move cuz I heard he can catch the ball. Look at it like this, he’s currently no Hoover the Mover, but if Jake could’ve dumped a couple passes to him instead of throwing them to the Cardinals, we wouldn’t have professionally paid writers telling us to prepare for another mediocre season.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 6:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Imagine the I-formation

after a few plays of pounding it inside instead D-Will goes to the left flat and Fiammetta goes to the right flat. Where’s the MLB going to go? To D-Will of course but instead Jake fakes left but goes back to the right. The big FB rumbles for 10-15 yards which will also keep the run blitz honest. We haven’t had that in a while

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a different twist

Jaxon, I’’m taking your imagination and changing it. Instead of 10-15 yards, he only gets 7, but he gets it on 3rd and 5, regularly.

With a pass catching fullback and the development of Barnidge as a receiver, we should be a lot better off in the passing game. Additionally, you gotta believe no one is more hurt by Jake’s playoff game than he is. We hate on him and don’t want to see him do it again, but i’m sure his memories of the game hurt a lot more. He’s probably practicing right now.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the first thing he and Beason talked about

I read that somewhere…Jake has something to prove for sure

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In an odd way

I’m looking forward to seeing Jake under center next year. (Did I just say that out loud?)

by LittleKing on May 1, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes you did

it’s our guilty pleasure. The thing with Jake is that you know he gives it 100% effort all the time, not just when he’s in the mood. (yes, that was a reference to Julius Peppers in case you couldn’t tell). So we want to see him succeed because we admire his character despite his six turnover playoff effort.

by usana_gaines on May 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember the column...

about Jake after the SB? Rick Reilly talked about how he didn’t leave the field during the trophy ceremony so that he’d remember what it felt like. Jake knows how to turn negatives into a positive.

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fiametta was a great pickup

He has a few more years to learn under Hoover, plus he is already faster, and can catch better than Hoover. I’ve heard that he is a sledgehammer of a blocker too. That said, I will miss Hoover.

BTW Jaxon, Flowing Willow is just a name I made up for myself. It sounds cool though, right? :) I’m actually a Panthers fan in South Africa, though originally from NC. So I really rely on you guys to get an idea of what is going on. Thanks for all your work!

by Flowing Willow on May 1, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, allright! We add another continent!

I see you there! If you go to the sitemeter icon at the bottom of the page and then click world map, then select last 200 visitors you pop up in South Africa. So we have Europe well covered with Usana and Jim McK. Now Africa and I know we’ve had someone from Asia in the past. That is pretty cool, Panther fans around the globe!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few years back

with a previous job I almost got picked to go to South Africa for a month to visit an auto supplier. Didn’t pan out but I was psyched at the thought of going. Maybe some day!

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by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sitemeter says your in Johannasburg. Correct?

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by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Fiamettssssss

I think we can say something like Fia! Anyway he will learn a lot from Hoover. It is the absolute PERFECT time for us to pick up a FB. I thought we would get one in the next two years and possibly it would be an older guy and it would become a trend. Fiametta can start to learn from the Mover.

by GMallory on May 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

this might be Hoov’s last year. The guy has taken a beating

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by Jaxon on May 1, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has...

But he’s always done a good job of playing through them. Hardly was a blip on the radar, but he played a week after breaking a finger last year.

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...

older=more expensive

by MichaelProcton on May 1, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in the middle of nowhere basically

But the Internet connection might be in Joburg, as that is the largest city that’s reasonably close. Anway, I’m actually from North Carolina, I’m a missionary here. But back to the topic on hand, can you say FIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! : )

by Flowing Willow on May 2, 2009 3:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Willow

Do you happen to know Chuck or Anna Marie Lockard?

They’re from my church in Raleigh and missionaries in Joburg… They work in the Nazarene seminary.

by ClaytonFire on May 2, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No we haven't met them

yet. We live only four hours from Jo-burg though, so we might.

by Flowing Willow on May 3, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to call his credentials into question...

you might want to check your grammar.

“You’re” is a contraction meaning ‘you are’. “Your” is a possessive.

You’ve undermined you ability to discredit his credentials.

by charlotteclever on May 4, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe I questioned them, merely pointed out what there are

Welcome to the Blog ‘clever. I make the ’your’ vs ’you’re mistake’ often. I never claimed to be an English major or a ‘paid’ journalist, just as info :) Yet I also think my comments about the points he was trying to make are still valid.

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by Jaxon on May 4, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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