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Panthers Draft Strategy Unorthodox to Many

So do you think the Panthers are crazy for trading their future 1st round pick yet again? Panthers GM Marty Hurney will quickly point out that he molded his draft strategy from his former boss, former Chargers GM Bobby Beathard. Whereas many teams prefer to stockpile draft picks Beathard in turn never shied away from trading future draft picks. In fact Beathard traded away future picks ten straight years and now his protégé has his own two year streak going. In case you were unaware, on day one of the recent NFL draft Hurney traded next years 1st round pick to the 49ers for their #43 pick and a 4th round pick this year. Most people recognize Beathard as one of the better GM's in NFL history (but I'm not advocating a discussion of that opinion at this point in time) so Hurney has some big shoes to fill if he is to be the flag-bearer of this methodology. 

Here's how Hurney justifies his recent trade of next years 1st round pick for DE Everette Brown:

 "You do it for players you think can come in and help you right away," said Hurney. "When you look at giving up next year's first for a guy like Everette Brown, you have him for a year and then he's that much better in 2010."

Meaning that you really don't pay for the player until the following year. It's like when you buy some furniture at a sale where you "don't make payments till year". You get to use the furniture for a good while before the payment is made. If your intent on winning this year without concern for future years then it is a prudent strategy.

 

 

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So if you want to evaluate this methodology then let's look at least years trade. The final bill just came due for RT Jeff Otah whom the Panthers traded for what became the #28 pick in this draft and last years 2nd and 4th rounders. I admit if you just look at the trade value chart you might wail about the Panthers getting ripped off.  I think the better measure is on-the-field performance because who care's if the chart says you got a great deal if you in turn go 4-12? The Panthers grabbed the talented Otah to improve the running game and judging by the results how can you say it was not a success?

In 2007 the Panthers averaged 114 yards/per game and ranked 14th in the NFL on their way to a 7-9 record. This past the season they rushed for 152 yards/game and finished 3rd in the league in rushing and won the NFC South with a 12-4 record. Sure Otah was not the only factor as Double Trouble had a lot to do with that as well. But you cannot deny the Panthers had the most success rushing off the right side behind the jumbo tandem of Otah and RG Keydrick Vincent. If the Panthers have similar success with their additions to the defensive line coupled with the addition of new DC Ron meeks and the return of DE Julius Peppers then the Panthers should be up to defending their NFC crown.  

So will Hurney again trade his 2011 1st round pick at next's year draft? I don't think that is necessarily the case. I think the current Panthers leadership will enter every draft looking for an opportunity that warrants trading the future pick, almost like a trump card they can throw down to win a game in cards. If a player of Otah or Brown's skill falls to the right place they might again resort to this preferred strategy. By then we should have an even better idea of how well it works.

One last wildcard that could throw a wrench into the Hurney strategy is a rookie salary scale. One of the reasons I think the Hurney strategy works is the Panthers in turn are not saddled with huge rookie contracts. By trading these high picks for value picks further down the draft order they save cap space and thereby have more money to put into their proven veterans. If a new CBA is negotiated to include a rookie salary scale then 1st round picks suddenly because extremely more valuable and therefore less likely to be traded. Other than that I wouldn't expect Panthers GM to change his unorthodox draft strategy any time soon.

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Just food for thought.

Rotoworld judged our draft and gave us a D+

You heard me right. And it was based on that one fact that we traded away next year’s 1st rounder.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Apr 28, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It just puts you in a tough spot...

where you have to scramble as we did this year to get impact players you like.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should judge a draft based on the players drafted

and not consider what was given up in regards to future picks traded. That will bear out in the future draft just as the Cowboys bore it out this year for trading their #1 for Roy Williams.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salary is NOT a big deal...

Over the course of their deals, the difference between the last 1st-rounder at DE of last year and the first 2nd-rounder is about $200K a year.

Also, I think playing revisionist history about Otah’s success is unfair. Who’s to say we couldn’t have been just as successful with Wharton at LT and somebody like Bridges at LG. That, or we could have drafted a rookie with our #2. Among those available were Mike Pollack, who started 13 games on the interior of the Colts line; and Jeremy Zuttah, who started several games for the Bucs. Then, we’d have been better equipped to fill our needs this year, including having a 1st-rounder which could have gotten us a good long-term OT prospect like Eben Britton.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You make good points MP

yet you as well are using the knowledge of the past year to make your point (regarding Pollack and Zuttah). The fact is the Panthers were successful, there is no revisionist history in that, the record and stats bear that out. To say that the Panthers could have selected better value without the trade and still had the same success in 2008 is pure speculation. Unless that is you have a tremendous amount of faith in the ability of Furney to select talent, which seems to run counter to your original point (I think).

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 28, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No more speculation...

than the notion that we COULDN’T have been successful without the trade. And yes, I do have faith in this team to get good talent in the draft, particularly with the type of high picks (1+1+2 in the last two years) they’re giving away.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our oline

is awesome. I wouldn’t change a thing. I really think you are analysis the picks and trade value too much. Just look at the talent we have now. The best part is these guys will be playing together for awhile.

by zrjohnso on Apr 28, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oline

I agree the oline works well together and after a 12-4 record it would be stupid to change anything. I especially like this Vincent guy, I think he is flying under the radar. I think he is making Otah look better than he is. Otah will be great if he continues to work with an experience veteran.

by Psike on May 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is giving up a first round pick a great idea?

No. No it’s not.

But when you have the kind of draft you guys did, I don’t think it matters. I would rank your draft as one of the top five leaguewide. I thought you hit needs, found great players and instantly upgraded your team for 2009. And I’m saying that as a Falcons fan. You gotta believe me!

by Dave Choate on Apr 29, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

draft strategy

i think it’s a stretch to call this a draft strategy. We obviously needed an OT last year, so we got one. No real strategy in that. We obviously needed another pass rusher, and we got one. He fails to mention that he didn’t know D-Will was that good, and that drafting Jarrett and Kalil was just a matter of being lucky they were still available. We now see why Jarrett was still available. He also fails to mention that his strategy led him to cutting Keyshawn for Jarrett. I think he’s hoping to get rid of Pep and have a couple more picks next year. It’s not a strategy, but it’s worked somewhat until now. We’ll see how well Brown does.

by usana_gaines on Apr 29, 2009 5:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup, hit on Kalil, miss on Jarrett (so far)

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 29, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Need" is all relative...

I still maintain that Wharton could have done a capable job at LT last year had Otah never emerged. That, and I think Gross is even better on the right than protecting Jake’s blind side.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gross and Wharton couldn't get it done

Wharton and Gross have been on the Panthers Oline for a minute and if you remember they were getting beat bad, that is why they brought in bigger men. It wasn’t until they rebuilt the right side of the line with Vincent and Otah that we saw some progress. Wharton and Gross got huge contracts because they are popular not because of their ability. And It is painfully obvious that Vincent is much better at protecting Jake than Gross.

by Psike on May 1, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

HurFox

The strategy really isn’t a strategy. I doubt Carolina or myself or anyone for that matter thought Brown would fall so far. With that said, it can be a strategy since I think Carolina knew that Otah might be available at 18 the previous year and needed to talk to teams prior to the draft since we really felt good about him. Carolina will have roles for every pick and it does not depend if Brown has a good season to me. You could redshirt him for all I care. Rather it is obviously our record that decides our decision. The point of our record last year showed us problems at different positions with some losses. If we can have a healthy season, we already have 20 starters returning but having new depth and potential with some of the picks I think that Brown can show some impact with Brown (not JP like) and possibly Irvin. Martin will get some shots but I think Brown and Irvin have chances to be great. I have no expectations for either but if they can even add something to our team from something miniscule like making the team work harder on the practice squad, that is a positive. There is no level that Brown has to maintain for me in my book. I’ll give him three years for that.

by GMallory on Apr 29, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it was more of a plan/strategy last year than this year

Last season I think they planned to trade the 2009 for a top OT unless they were all gone early. Once they got Stewart they were on the phone trying to find a trade partner as long as Otah (and maybe even Baker) was still there. This year I’m sure they had no idea Brown would slide but once he hit the 2nd round they started again to find a trade partner. If Brown had not slid they may have not traded like they did unless once of the other elite pas rushers fell, like T. Jackson or Orakpo or maybe one of the DT’s like Jerry. Hard say who else they may have done a similar trade. I think the premise of this post still stands though that every year the Panthers will not hesitate to trade a future pick to select a person of value and need.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think ya'll are both a bit off...

Hurney referred specifically to the Otah and Brown deals as having been somewhat pre-planned. I believe he used the phrase “If he got to a certain spot, we were going to go and get him” about both moves.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Every team goes over different scenarios to get the players they target. Preperation.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Apr 29, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

propaganda

I think Hurney is just throwing propaganda out there and I don’t give him much credibility. If I’m wrong, that’s fine.

As for our O-line, we often looked to our running game and Foster’s production to say we needed a new line. I don’t really know if our pass protection was any better last year, but it seemed our run blocking was. Well D-Will has averaged over 5 yards a carry the whole time he’s been here, not just last year. So maybe the real difference was D-Will and J-Stew running instead of a 2 to 1 ratio of Foster to D-Will runs.

Either way, I think we needed depth at O-line, and Fox knows how to take care of that. We also needed a pass rusher, and we have to wait and see on that. But l really don’t like using Beathard and Hurney in the same sentence. One constructed 3 superbowl winners with 3 different starting QBs and RBs. The other, well, we’ll see.

by usana_gaines on Apr 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hood

I heard CB Hood was released by the Cards. Two questions…should we go after him, and can we even afford to?

by usana_gaines on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope.

He wouldn’t be a starter, and it doesn’t make sense for us to back up the youngsters (Martin, Wilson, Munnerlyn) on the depth chart for a more expensive option who seems to be getting worse, not better.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could be Smitty's next punching bag ;)

After all he did toast him on several occasions in the past

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Otah has not worked for that $

The last two games Otah got beat bad…Seems as though Vincent is making Otah look better than he is. The panther’s O-line was horrible prior to the right side being built. Rookie’s should have to prove themselves before getting these top dollar contracts. Put Otah next to another Rookie and we will really see what he is worth…That veteran RG is flying under the radar…

by Psike on May 1, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure...

I wish…no athletes in my fam. Went to several games last season, and that’s just my observation…

by Psike on May 4, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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