CSR Draft Day 2 Open Thread
by Jaxon on Apr 26, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
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PrintThe Panthers will make their next pick within the hour. Remaining needs are on the lines, both offense and defense, WR and maybe even FB. The Panthers have one pick int he 3rd, two in the 4th and then single picks in the 5th & 6th unless something has changed.
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I would take a qb
with our last pick
hoyer
harrel
parker wilson
dare I say Chase Danils
a lot still would be left
No thanks
on JPW. Really not impressed by him
Daniel played in a shotgun, and is short (good or bad, IDK… just what it is).
Graham Harrell would be nice, but has the shotgun thing as well.
Hoyer… he really didn’t impress at MSU.
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Hoyer didn't really have a chance at MSU
He didn’t really have a top-notch supporting cast. He’s got the intangibles though, and a great arm.
Yeah
not against him. Not sure if he’s a 3rd rounder though
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DT
If anyone I would like it would be Sammie Lee Hill or Dorell Scott out of Clemson. I think we will wait on it. Both are way too early though.
With the trade for DE Brown
and deal w/Jake, the Panthers mgt has shown that they want to win now. If they pick a QB, it will be later.
Will Parker
I like what they've done so far
I like the Martin comparison to Sean Smith in the other thread. Filling needs with good players!
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Dorell Scott DT?
Will give us some local help from Clemson University. With all the crap that went on in Clemson just last year, he might be a gem.
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Do you think Martin might have still have been there at #93?
Was it a reach?
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Four corners have already gone
so I doubt he’d still be there.
I have no idea
There have been actually 5 CB/DB that have gone since #59. I think the Panthers are very confident in his abilities and how he fits in our “D”.
Will Parker
Did you hear the Draft guys?
They said they’re going to give the Raider picks some love. This ought to be good.
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5 picks until the Panthers
I will say either Duke Robinson, a DT like Hill or Scott (too early) or some true corner like Moore
Another Corner
People must be concerned of Moore’s size. I think we take him possibly. I want to stay off DT right now.
Bunch of TE's still there, Coffman for example
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Here's a video interview of Martin
some mention of a shoulder issue.http://www.dothaneagle.com/dea/sports/college/troy/article/pro_day_central_troy_university/63575
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They never played together at UGA
Irvin came in as a JUCO after Johnson finished his career at Georgia.
by Hobnail_Boot on Apr 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank god.
God bless the Panthers! God bless them all :3
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NFLDraftScout.com says:
Analysis
Positives: Long arms with a square build and room for additional growth. … At least adequate initial quickness off the snap. … At least adequate lateral quickness to generate some pass rush from the interior. … Learning to utilize his long arms to keep blockers off his body. … Locates the ball and plays with good hustle in pursuit. … Good lower leg drive to anchor against the run. … Gets his arms up to provide obstacles in the passing lanes. … Improved throughout the week of practice at the Senior Bowl.
Negatives: Raw and lacks the eye-popping athleticism to indicate high upside. … Not quick enough off the snap or when moving laterally to generate much of a pass rush. … Only short-area quickness. … Needs an open lane to close. … Adequate size and strength to hold up against the run, but struggles to disengage.
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i don't get it
At least adequate initial quickness off the snap. At least adequate lateral quickness to generate some pass rush from the interior. Not quick enough off the snap or when moving laterally to generate much of a pass rush.
Don’t care much for this analysis, but I like his size and strength. I figure we’re not gonna find anybody to be a starter, so Lewis and Kemo it is. Our problems came last year when they were hurt, and after they returned from injury. Adding depth is key here. He only started 10 games in college at UGA. He’s raw and we’ve shown that we have very little ability to coach a raw player into a superstar. So we drafted a back-up…good for us, I guess.
by usana_gaines on Apr 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
heres a little
Corvey Irvin, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 302.
Projected 40 Time: 5.02.
Combine 40 Time: 4.99.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.99.
Benchx225: 24. Vertical: 25.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
1/10/09: Corvey Irvin was given the chance when Jeff Owens went down, and he stepped up. Irvin finished with 8.5 TFL and three sacks, earning himself a Senior Bowl invitation
Good size and strength
Not real fast but he can work the rotation I bet
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I hope he can plug some holes
A good fill in player. Maybe he can be groomed. I hoped that they would say something about him on ESPN but they just said his name.
One more thing on Martin
Meeks went to both Pro Days, Utah and Troy so he saw them both up close. I bet he made the call on Martin
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Probably
that said, I hate when they pick players based solely on pro-days and all.
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I know.
I guess we’ll see when the Panthers meet the Phins this year
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Should add a little more drama to it, for us anyway
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I don't mind the pick.
He’s from Georgia, so you know he’s going to be a well coached player. We’re not exactly grabbing the player from the top of the barrel right now. As long as he can stay healthy, we’ll see what happens.
Two picks in the 4th round!
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I just don't see him
being as much of a run stopper as we need.
The first at #111
If the Panthers get another good player then that trade is looking better…hate giving up the 1st rounder but if Brown rocks then all will be well!
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Eh...
He only spent two years there; however, reports from the Senior Bowl were than his improvement over that week said a lot about his coachability. Further, our new DL coach and he got along well at the UGA Pro Day.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he is my fav comedian, hands down
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone see his comedy video where he talks about his life?
Look it up on youtube. It’s worth it.
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How about Aaron Kelly if he makes it down there?
Wideout from Clemson. He fell because of his low yards per catch total and the lack of success of Clemson receivers in the NFL. Think we should take him for a security blanket for if Jarrett doesn’t work out?
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The guy has great hands
and set career ACC mark for either receptions or receiving yards, can’t remember which. So that says the guy can get it done on the field
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He's a quick little guy
might be a good option out of the slot.
The New York Jets select....QB...
New York Jets Fan’s: “NAOOOOOOO!”
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Watching the NFL Live feed.
I had a good chuckle at that.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Ha!
Yeah, same here. That was funny. Jets fans complain about every pick, no matter what. They’re worse than Philly fans.
Let me re-phrase that. No one (with the possible exception of Maryland Terrapin fans) is worse than Philly fans. But the Jets fans are more negative.
I'm intrigued with getting a WR now that we got an extra pick
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If D.J. Moore is still there at 112 or whatever it is
we should snag him, definitely.
I'm surprised he is still there
It would be very Fox-like to pick the sliding Moore
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A lot of CB have gone ahead of him for a reason
The question, is there a reason other than his 5’9" height?
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by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
There
are plenty of fantastic CBs who are short.
11 more picks till we draft again.
Be back in a moment. Gotta get me some food.
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Here they go again with the big heads.
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Kick Returner Please!!!!!!
DJ Moore can be a returner if he’s available. I can’t believe he still is. Must be some issues about his height, a trend this year.
Yeah
his height hurts, because big WRs are showing up (Fitzgerald style)
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I think it's a mob mentality at this point
I can’t understand why he’s not gone. He was projected late 1st-2nd round pick. I hope he keeps falling!
...
Don’t we have Ryne Robinson to fill that role?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind an OG
like Duke Robinson or something right now
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Good call
I don’t think we need KR or another CB nearly as much as we need more OL depth, especially inside.
If you saw Schwartz in training camp last year, he looked completely overwhelmed. And soft. I’m hoping he’s gotten better since then, but we probably need another backup OT.
I'm not thrilled with the OTs left on the board,
but it looks like many of them will still be there for our second pick or even in the 5th or 6th. I’d say go with a position that isn’t quite as deep in this draft.
Darin Gantt...
has specifically said that neither Schwartz or Bernardeau are “ready to start more than one game” at this point.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Duke
really fits our offense. He’s big and a good run blocker. Not very versatile but could eventually replace Vincent. We do need a Oline guy that can play both center and guard. I’m not sure if Bernadeau can do both, or if there’s anyone else in the draft we are high on.
I'd be happy with
T.J. Lang or Gerald Cadogan
Dunno...
Plenty have said he could handle the shift to tackle. Bernardeau, yes, worked at C last year despite being primarily an OG.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
On Robinson (Duke)
I keep reading that he’s out-of-shape and has bad feet…
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Wonder if any of the the C's
like Luigs or Shipley, can shift to OG if need be.
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Both of those can play all three middle spots
It might be time to pick OL
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What do you all think about him?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He played good this past season
Another Gamecock like Wharton
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He plays smart.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
He fits a ZBS
pretty much exclusively.
I don’t think we play that (I may be wrong though)
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We have added zone blocking to our system.
We prefer the mammoth type guys, but i think every team has some zone blocking in their system.
How many LBs is USC going to send to the pros this year?
I count 4 so far. Plus a DT.
I wish NC State had that many solid LBs over the past decade, much less in a single year.
Ooh boy!
We’re trailing the Cowboys! That means NFLN will talk at length about the Boys’ pick, then go to commercial and skip our pick, then come back and talk about the next two picks after ours without mentioning us at all! Just like in round 3! Alright!
God, I hate the NFLN. But it’s about 1000 times better than ESPN. And that’s worth something. I guess.
I hope they get him
or TJ Lang. AQ Shipley a little later.
Robinson is only 2 picks away.
We might just pull this off.
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Cullen Harper?
The fans want their QB.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
We can probably get him
with the second 4th rounder, or maybe even in the 5th. Who’s left that really needs a QB? There will be options, anyway, later on.
Other QBs
Brian Hoyer QB MICH ST
Rhett Bomar QB SAM HOUSTON
Nate Davis QB BALL ST
Tom Brandstater QB FRESNO ST
Graham Harrell QB TEXAS TECH
Curtis Painter QB PURDUE
Michael Reilly QB C WASH
I’d take any of them (and there are more after that) over Harper, JPW & Cantwell
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I want
either Hoyer or Nate Davis. Davis is impressive.
Davis
struggled at the end.
And there is the whole learning disability thing…
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Wow!
No one is looking for a good dropper in the draft? He was known as the best QB in the conference until almost all of Clemson’s linemen graduated and he started to get pounded. No love for the Harper?
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Really?
You think Thaddeus Lewis and Russell Wilson were playing with grade A lines?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many good Olinemen
to get a QB right now
Other guys
OT Augustus Parrish, Kent State
OT Troy Kropog, Tulsas
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Moore's still there
I think he’s by far the best player still on the board… gotta take him. It’s a Dan Connor situation for me.
Carolina Panthers Official Pick
With the #111 in the 2009 NFL Draft (Round 4 Pick 11)
The Carolina Panthers select :
Mike Goodson RB / T A&M
Which goes again to show you.
We’re all fools! Fools I tell you!
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Don't like it
Why pick a 3rd string RB here?
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Interesting.
That’s smart.
Anybody else know who’s behind our top two guys? Now that Goings is gone, I don’t have a clue.
Scouting Report
Analysis
Positives: Lean, athletic build, but one that seems better suited to wide receiver in the NFL. Rare speed and agility. Quick to and through the hole. Can make defenders miss in tight spaces and flashes exceptional elusiveness in the open field. Rare balance and the ability to cut at top speed in either direction. Experienced receiver out of the backfield. Runs with functional power, despite less than ideal strength, as he keeps his legs churning and spins out of tackles. A threat to go the distance every time he has the ball in his hands. Lacks experience as a special teams returner, but has the potential to be a standout in this area — much like former Aggie Dante Hall.
Negatives: Lacks the bulk to be an every-down back. Marginal leg drive for short-yardage situations. Undeniable athleticism, but Goodson’s production dropped in each of his three seasons with the Aggies — and it can’t be blamed on just touches as his yards per carry also dropped each year. Legitimate intangible red flags regarding his struggles to coexist with former Texas A&M head coach R.C. Slocum and his staff, as well as current head coach Mike Sherman and his staff, especially considering that Sherman publicly touted Goodson as the player the offense would be centered around when he took the position. Scouts will also question Goodson’s toughness after he missed time with sprains in his neck, groin and right knee since last spring.
Will Parker
So I guess
we’re thinking maybe KR and WR in the NFL?
I think he must be a potential KR/PR
especially after reading his scouting report. Seems to have good hands too.
Check this on Goodson:
Once called the “future of the team” by coach Mike Sherman, Goodson left the university after his junior year under mysterious circumstances. The talented running back could possibly shift to wide receiver at the next level, but injuries and problems with the coaching staff caused the player and team to part ways quietly. No announcement was made of his decision to apply for the 2009 NFL Draft, as he just showed up on the list of players who were leaving school early in January.
At his season-ending press conference, Aggies coach Mike Sherman hardly wanted to discuss why Goodson wouldn’t be back, and why a year ago Sherman had said he wanted to build the offense around Goodson. “We wanted to, but we didn’t,” said Sherman, whose first team finished 4-8. “We tried to, but it just didn’t happen.” Sherman said in December that he didn’t expect the junior tailback to return to the Aggies for his senior season. The coach wouldn’t elaborate but said it was because of a “combination of things.”
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I can't imagine they would take a kid
with serious character problems in a non-need position. There must be something going on there that isn’t what meets the eye.
They've obviously interviewed the guy...
Just as easy that the coaching staff were the problem in the relationship.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than wasting a pick on a QB.
This guy’s actually going to see the field a couple of times per game over the next two years.
I'm confused.
It’ll take a lot of thinking to figure out what they’re thinking.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
They must
be planning to put him at WR, maybe to see if that will kick Jarrett into gear. He’s fast and has good hands, and he’s a good route runner.Apparently he also has the frame to bulk up a lot more without losing speed or quickness.
But the O-Line depth! The O-Line?
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Dude, why so negative?
Furney (which I like better than HurFox), has a long history of good drafts and smart decisions. They screw a few up, but hit much more often than they miss.
When your worst season is 7-9, you ain’t doin’ too bad.
Good drafts?
In general, after like the 2nd/3rd round, they blow picks on reaches.
Especially the 3rd round
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Here's some third rounds for ya
Mike Seidman
Ricky Manning Jr
Travelle Wharton
Charles Johnson
Charles Godfrey
Dan Conner
Two years of suck in ‘05 and ’06, but those drafts were thin on talent and terrible for every team. That’s a pretty damn good collection of third rounders.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah! Will Witherspoon, too!
Forgot about him.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
but most of those guys fell to the 3rd round.
These guys are reaches
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Not a 3rd down back
can’t play every down
issues with coaching.
And we traded a future first rounder for Brown & him???
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WHAT HAPPENED
they must of forgot the name of the player they actually wanted to pick but thought mike goodson was his name
RBs I would rather have had
Andre Brown RB NC STATE
Cedric Peerman RB VIRGINIA
Javon Ringer RB MICH ST
Rashad Jennings RB LIBERTY
James Davis RB CLEMSON
Jeremiah Johnson RB OREGON
Kory Sheets RB PURDUE
Arian Foster RB TENNESSEE
Devin Moore RB WYOMING
P.J. Hill RB WISCONSIN
And if you want a returner, you go with Moore.
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Same here
It has to be the WR or returner aspect they are looking at
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Probably returner. No way he can beat out Jarrett to start.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
…Because Jarrett’s been lighting the world on fire since he got here.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I watched Andre Brown play for years at State
and he’s a real solid guy. I didn’t realize he was still available. But he’s not a burner, third down kind of guy. He’d be another version of our top two guys, but a bit slower.
Still that’s a pick I would have been comfortable with. I agree with ya, though, I’m left a bit uncomfortable with the choice we made.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
javon ringer and james davis were still thier
did they let a saint, buccaneer or falcons fan pick for them while they were in the john
Maybe they have memories of the Giants last season
Could he be our Ward?
I'm digging around and seeing
a lot of comparisons to Reggie Bush.
Maybe
they’re trying to switch up some offensive schemes and things to give Jake more targets?
Again
why do I even try to predict what the Panthers will do. With the character issues I would have never thought Goodson was on the radar (if I had actually researched him)
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Well, he looks pretty good on this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZeiAIJKMY&feature=related
I doubt the character issues are serious, they would never have picked him if they weren’t certain he was good to go.
Good Athlete
He will be our returner and possible wr/3rd down back
Alright guys, I'm out!
That last pick just has me irritated on the draft. I’m going to go out and do some shopping. I’ll pop in again later but for now I’ll see you all!
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Got to go o-line
but the Panthers are in BPA mode…they might pick a LB at this point, who knows
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How many LBs do we have now, anyway?
Is it 14? I think it’s 14. Let’s go grab some more!
Yeah, O-line is a necessity at this point, I think. We’re behind the 8 ball at this point.
Like I said earlier, I think Duke’ll be there. I’m crossing my fingers.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently they are looking at him for WR...
From the Charlotte Observer:
“New Panthers’ running back Mike Goodson, a fourth-round pick (111th overall), said on a conference call that the team told him they’ll consider using him as a slot receiver and a kick returner in addition to being a backup behind running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. Goodson turned pro a year early after being disappointed with his playing time at Texas A&M. However, he said that wasn’t the sole reason he left after his junior season. He wasn’t used much as a returner in college, but scouts say he has the potential to excel there in the pros.”
Yay! Anthony Hill goes to the Texans!
Ant Hill is a good kid. Very humble, fantastic athlete. Congrats to him!
So far
trading a future first (AGAIN!?!?!?) for Brown, taking Martin a couple rounds too early, taking Goodson too early…
Color me unimpressed with the way the Panthers draft. Hopefully the guys can impress
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I think they will
There weren’t really any big holes to fill once they went DE, CB, DT. I’m sure there’ll be at least one O-Line guy brought in, and they’ll do the same thing they did last year and bring in a bunch of free agents to compete as well. I think we’ve done a good job getting what we need, and the more I look at it the more I like the Goodson pick. He could really add some zip to the offense, I think.
"A couple rounds too early?"
Projections for Martin, who was picked in the 2nd round, 59th overall:
NFL Draft Scout: 2-3 (High Late 1, Low Mid 3)
The Sports EXchange: 2-3, #72 overall prospect
Revenge of the BIrds (Cards SBN site): Late 2-Late 3
Scouts, Inc.: #61 overall prospect
NFL Draft Countdown: 2-3
So please, if you can, find me a place that had him rated as a 4th-rounder.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we're not the Raiders.
What a bizarre draft day it must be for those poor Raiders fans. At least our wild pick makes some sense.
DHB
was a reach, but could still be good if develops.
Their 2nd round pick… Chicago considered him in the 2nd round as well
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I'd believe it
if they weren’t the only ones. The guy is a completely unknown quantity.
Well
the Bears actually called him and told him they’d take him in the 2nd round.
The Raiders took him 2 picks before, and the Bears traded away their pick
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Please...
Do you have any idea how many of those calls get made every year?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what I hate?
Tony Gonzales coming to the Falcons. That’s the last thing we need.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
That’s the position we’ve had the most trouble covering in years past. Hopefully the change in defensive coordinators will mean enough change in defensive scheme that we’ll be able to handle that.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the same Alge Crumpler...
who’s only averaged 41 YPG with 4 TDs over 14 games against us in his career?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish the announcers would talk about the picks happening NOW
and not the ones from yesterday that have already been talked to death.
Wait, what?
Stafford went number one overall? Seriously?
The Jets did what? For real? That’s crazy!
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We've got Sanchez on ESPN
and Moreno on NFL Network so neither is covering the latest picks. WTF!
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And I can't remember
the last time someone said “Carolina” or “Panthers.”
Falcons
sitting and taking guys that fall to them.
Panthers are reaching like none other (after the Brown pick).
Winner… Falcons.
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THey
also had more holes to fill. We have the opportunity to be creative and take some risks because we don’t have that many needs.
But they're filling their needs
with solid players that could’ve been 1st/2nd rounders.
We’re reaching for late round picks.
And we have needs too
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Top FB in the draft
Looking for a replacement for the aging Hoover.
I'm not surprised with this one
Hoover is long in the tooth
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So
we’ll carry 2 Ks and 2 FBs on our roster.
Well planned.
I mean, it’s not like our OLmen ever get hurt, so we don’t need back-ups there
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I wonder if
he can play OG.
Or if Fox is going to play it himself.
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Panthers picking for need instead BPA
just need a o-lineman now
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Strengths:
Good natural athlete…Decent timed speed…Terrific blocker…Has soft hands and is a threat out of the backfield…Is extremely tough and physical…Excellent strength…Outstanding work ethic…Nice instincts and awareness…Versatile…Still has upside…Lots of experience…Real mature…A leader and team captain…Also has special teams potential.
Weaknesses:
Just average bulk…Does not have very much experience carrying the ball…Is not very quick or elusive and lacks a burst…Not extremely powerful…Minor durability concerns…Poor production…A ’tweener?
Sounds like our kind of FB
Doesn’t carry the ball but works hard and blicks well.
Great
a “not extremely powerful” FB that’s a ’tweener.
Solid FB, that’ll be
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Yeah
I’m depressed.
Classes killing me.
Jazz sucking it up.
I’m a Pirates fan.
I was looking to the draft for help… and we’re reaching for 7th rounders in the 3rd/4th round.
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We're not reaching
that far. This kid was projected 3rd-4th, top FB in the draft. Might as well grab him while he’s there. You don’t have to fill every single hole in the draft.
FB's
always fall.
And it’s not like Hoover is just gonna disappear this off-season.
On the other hand, we lost OLmen like flies, and I don’t trust the guys from last year to fill in if injuries happen.
And we don’t have money to sign FAs.
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He'll have a year or two
to learn from Hoover, and then we’re not left scrambling when he retires or gets hurt. We have enough money to take a run at some older guys who get cut in the next couple of days like we did last year.
Hey, I feel ya.
At least you don’t have to root for the Bobcats. You’ve got that going for ya.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. fine
I might have to give you that.
But at least the Bobcats are improving…
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Andre Brown to the Giants.
That’s a good destination for him. But I’d rather they didn’t keep adding talent to their backfield.
On FBs, NFLN says:
There’s not many of them in the draft. That’s a dying position.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
that they say he’s not a ball carrier but has soft hands and can catch it out of the backfield. So does he just fall down after he catches it?
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Good question.
NFL should get their analysts on the same page. NFL.com says: Fiammetta was the best fullback in the draft. He is an excellent blocker yet he has rushing skills, as he was a running back coming out of high school. He also has excellent receiving skills. His blocking is not to be dismissed, though, and he really beefs up an already-powerful Panthers rushing attack.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's take a quiet moment
to remember that we’re in the fourth round. From here on out, we’re not selecting people who are necessarily going to be among the 45-active during the season. You can’t screw up these picks too bad, no matter how hard you try.
But the point
is to find guys that can step in and help if need be.
Not to find guys that could be sub-par starters in 3 years if they’re still around.
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I think Fiammetta
would be a better FB on day one than any of the O-Line candidates still hanging around.
Not too sure about that, but eh.
Maybe we’ll target Parrish in the next round?
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Right...
So we’ve got guys with a chance to, from day one: start at DE (Brown), be the nickel corner (Martin), play in the rotation at DT (Irvin), be a returner/3rd-down back/slot receiver/jack-of-all-trades on offense and special teams (Goodson), and be a clear starter no more than two years from now at FB, if not sooner.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So how long till we pick again? I need a nap zzzzzzzz
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Just logged in
What did I miss? Did we draft anybody yet?
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Drafting
a DT, RB & a FB.
And a whole lot of pessimism from me.
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I was being fecicious
Just got caught up on NFLN. Looks like we are feeling needs, but with “wait and see” players
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*filling
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Uhh...
Given they just won the division and had the 3rd-best record in the NFL, I think they’ll be around for a while.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
We traded our second-day picks for a really good sandwich.
And it is good. So good.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that’s what HurFox is doing right now.
Eating, that is… not trading our picks.
Instead of paying attention to who’s left.
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Nah, they let the sandwich delivery guy pull names out of a hat.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
About the FB
Most teams don’t need a FB because they don’t use them.
If you wait till the next round, at worst, you get the #2 FB.
Waiting on OL though… guys are gonna get taken.
Like Kropog just now.
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I love tha pic
Opening up more holes. Fox obviously wants to be the top running team in the league. This guy and Everette Brown are the only guys who excite me so far
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Yeah, but
if your OL is all on the injured list, you don’t have many others to open the holes.
Do the Panthers use a 2 FB set?
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...
Isn’t that what we picked Schwartz and Bernardeau for last year? And, umm, do we wait for Hoover to retire before we find a future solution at FB? It sure has worked at DE and S with the departures of Rucker and Minter.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
I didn’t tell them to wait to find a DT & S. I’ve been calling for both for a couple of years.
And Schwartz & Bernadeau aren’t ready.
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I like him too
and I’m mixed on the HB we got from A&M. He’s fast and quick, and excellent in open space. We’ve got to see what his attitude’s like.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year we filled our o-line backups with FAs
Its not the end of the world if we don’t get o-line in the draft
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Yeah
but you can’t just keep doing that every year.
Don’t you at some point have to find guys that aren’t near the end or castoffs and work with them so that they can become starters in the future?
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We got our RG as a FA
all of our backups were mid- to late-round draft picks we had been training for a few years.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Vincent
is near done.
As for the mid-to-late round, I agree… but why not take guys like Kropog or Parrish in the 3rd/4th instead of other guys (7th rounders for a reason) in the 7th?
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All they're looking for
is depth. Why spend a pick on a mediocre backup OT or G when you can get a good RB or FB and go for a better OT or G next year?
Who says they're mediocre?
And RB isn’t really a need. We have 2 stars, and Birmingham, who I think could be good.
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Wouldn’t Fox and the staff know how good Birmingham is relative to Goodson better than you?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How could they?
They’ve never seen him play in a NFL game either.
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I think they're reading this blog
and making their picks expressly to make that vein in your forehead pop out.
They’re trying to drive you to drink.
They are bad people.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you say Vincent is near done?
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Isn't he on the wrong side of 30?
Or am I thinking about someone else?
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He's 31
But he’s got one or two years left at a minimum, I’d think.
He was great last year
I think he was our most underrated lineman
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Because...
with established starters, there’s no immediate need to put guys in the lineup right away. Guys aren’t just picked earlier because they’re more talented; in fact, they may be less talented. However, if a guy is more ready to contribute, he’ll probably go sooner. Think of Stanley McClover. WAY better than 7th round talent, but as an RSo, scouts just hadn’t seen enough and thought he needed work to be a contributor.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends...
The Packers took another FB between our 4b and 5th picks, and the difference between #1 and #2 may have been the difference between depth in their eyes and a future starter.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In the meantime....
Anyone know if any of our draft picks are at schools on the quarter system? Those guys always miss the rookie camp we have after the draft because their schools are still in session.
FSU and Georgia are semester, don’t know about any others. Troy? A&M? Syracuse?
Anybody know?
Troy, A&M, Syracuse, OU, and Carolina are all semester schools.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Their talking about Michael Vick
So is he comeing back and being an impact or just never getting into the NFL
Any precitions?
I say OT in round 5 and QB in round 6.
Thank you.
The English major in me was starting to jump up and down.
We’ve only got the two picks left, and if we don’t go OL now, I don’t know when we would.
I don’t see us putting anything into a QB. Or WR.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I see
K in round 5, and some crappy QB in round 6.
Okay, not seriously… no idea what to expect though.
I’d love to see OL and someone like Sammie Stroughter (WR, Oregon State)… but I don’t see it happening.
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There are some good WRs left
I wouldn’t mind someone like Brooks Foster
Why is he falling so far though?
It’s a little bit worrisome.
I mean, I thought he was a 2nd round guy… we’re now in the 5th.
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He's got
some serious character issues, apparently. That might have something to do with it.
Yeah, he eats too much.
And it’s not heart-healthy.
And I hear he doesn’t floss as much as he should.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm A Syracuse Fan...
You are getting a great fullback in fiametta
He is a good receiver and is a tough football player. he’ll fit in nice with your offense
Nice!
We’re (most of us) excited to have him!
Is Syracuse on the quarter system, or semester?
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I’m excited.
I just think he could’ve been had a round later
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We Expected
him to go around rounds 5-7.
And we’re on the semester system.
Green Bay got a FB
in the fifth so its not that far off. I like our draft the more I look into the players we got. Oline can be addressed in FA. If we want to win now, we probably can’t pick up an effective 4th or 5th round guy that can help right away.
And the Bengals
take a punter. Some solace in the fact that we didn’t do that, right?
I say just take all FBs with the rest of the picks
“It’s a dying position”… get em while supplies last
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Okay
that wouldn’t drive me to drink, but I’m pretty sure there’d be a hole in my wall.
That, or I’d just have to stop following the draft for a while.
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When do we pick in 5th?
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Gruden just compared Jarret Dillard to Steve Smith
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Furney's 5th round picks:
2002: Randy Fasani (QB)
2002: Kyle Johnson (FB)
2003: Kindal Moorehead (DT)
2004: Drew Carner (WR)
2005: Adam Seward (LB)
2005: Geoff Hangartner (C )
2005: Ben Emanuel (S )
2006: Jeff King (TE)
2007: Dante Rosario (TE)
2007: Tim Shaw (LB)
2008: Gary Barnidge (TE)
So clearly we're in line to pick another TE.
Seriously, though, not a bad hit rate for the 5th round. Half became consistent backups, two became starters (including Hangartner for the Bills).
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Make that three starters.
I forgot that Moorehead went to Atlanta as a starter.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Make it five...
Kyle Johnson was Denver’s #1 FB from ‘04-’06, and Emanuel started for SF in ’05. Plus, Carter started a few games for us and could well have started in OAK last year before he got hurt.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. That starts of really ugly
it’s gotten better of late, I guess.
I’m worried now though.
TE?
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On espn's draftcast
everyone is saying the Panthers need a back-up QB.
Do we?
I don’t think we need a 4th QB
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Caralina - I know misspelling
I saw that. Not now. Michigan St. QB available but not going to happen.
I hate ESPN.
I’d rather watch NFLN on my computer than to turn on ESPN on my television.
We don’t need any more QBs. We’ve got two who have game experience and have demonstrated a modest amount of competence. No 5th-round rookie’s going to be able to do that.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate ESPN
gave up on NFLN too.
I mean, I don’t need draft “coverage” that only talks about the first round.
Screw that… waste of time (and money, if you’re paying for NFLN) in my opinion.
Agreed on the QBs.
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I second that
I can’t remember the last time someone even mentioned Carolina. There are teams out there that aren’t the Jets and Lions, or so I’ve been told.
First ECU prospect is off the board.
Davon Drew, TE, to the Ravens.
I think Duke’s the only NC school without any pro prospects.
Michael Tauiliili and Eron Riley...
were both late-round candidates. Tauiliili will make somebody’s team and do well on special teams, just as Patrick Bailey did last year for the SB Champion Steelers.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy
If Ingram is still on the board, they might actually go TE.
Anybody else look at Josh Freeman and think "J.P. Losman"?
That’s who I keep thinking of when I see Freeman running around.
Probably 3 years from now
when the Jets go QB in the first round again
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Three TEs in the last five picks.
Our pickings are going to be slim!
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
He’s a bigtime playmaker. He’ll do well in Philly, for sure.
Sure
but we don’t need him.
Already have King & Rosario & Barnidge
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True
But there is an argument to be made for taking him anyway and getting rid of one of them, particularly if they don’t like any of the OTs on the board. But that’s a moot point now anyway.
Yeah
maybe.
But when the team kept King this off-season (he was a RFA), I think it negated any chance of that
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Name to keep an eye on if they want a TE
Bear Pascoe, Fresno State.
Solid blocker.
Not much of a pass catcher.
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Not over, but as of now
the NFC South drafts…
1- Atlanta… They took solid guys that fell to them
2- Carolina… Not too bad, filled needs even if it was reaches
3- New Orleans… Helped the D, but only had 3 picks, which hurts.
4- Tampa Bay… Not a big fan of Freeman, and I feel like they reached too much on DT/DE.
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Yeah,
New Orleans and Tampa really didn’t do too much for themselves, it seemed to me. Atlanta’s looking very strong going forward.
Agreed.
The one team I am not at all fearful of next year is Tampa. No QB. Changing defensive scheme. I don’t care for their draft. I think they’re going to stink it up.
Atlanta is scary.
Still, let’s see anybody stop our running game. I don’t think there’s a defense in the division who can stop us.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
And then you throw in that they got Gonzo for a future 2nd rounder….
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Yeah, that wasn't a good trade for them, long-term.
But it’s good for the next year or two. And that’s what matters.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The guys on NFLN
said he would be great in the right offense, and Carolina has that offense.
He is a "Brawler"
Developmental guy who can come in and be an impact run blocker immediately.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"Brawler" is how they described Otah last year.
And that’s exactly what I like to see in a lineman.
And considering he’s a first-team All American, I don’t think he’ll take much development.
This might be our best value choice of the whole draft.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Center?
Kalil is young and good. I don’t think we need to get someone that won’t play. I think a CB/KR would be nice.
He's also projected
to be a decent guard as well, I believe.
I think they might actually go QB in the 6th
I doubt Shipley will be there, and there’s not a whole lot else left.
I'm starting to really like our draft.
I see us geting another DT and OL in FA. I think Dewayne Robertson is worth a 1 year contract. We need a guy that can play LT and I think Schwartz is limited to RT.
I think Otah could move over, with Schwartz stepping up on the right.
God help us, let’s hope that never happens.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not too
Like last year when Gross was out, Frank Omiyale went in. I thought we might move Wharton there, but they wanted to keep him in as LG. I like that strategy.
We have our starting five and three backups that are active. A backup LT, a guy that plays C/G, and a guy that plays G/T.
Ugh...
Otah on the left would be an ugly sight.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
a bunch of people thought he’d go in the late 1st or 2nd rounds. Nice value there.
NFLDraftScout.com says:
Positives: Massive player who can engulf defenders and physically dominate his opponent. … Good initial quickness off the snap to get out and block on the move. … Good drive blocker with excellent size and strength. … Plays with good leverage despite his height. … Can generate movement at the point of attack in short-yardage situations. … Plays with some nastiness and has the raw power to turn and pancake his opponent. … Quick, strong hand punch to jolt the defender in pass protection. … Natural knee-bender who plays with good leverage and balance in pass pro. … Long arms and strong hands to keep the defender at bay.
Negatives: Only marginal balance and lateral quickness to block at the second level, and spends too much time on the ground when trying to block on the move. … Lack of great quickness shows in pass protection, as he struggles to adjust if his initial punch doesn’t slow the defender.
Will Parker
I'm liking the pick more and more...
He’s a potential starter for sure.
He could be a starter from 5th round like:
Hangartner or King.
Or potential quality backup like:
Moorehead, Rosario, Barnidge, and Seward
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's funny.
NFL.com’s video evaluation of him says that his ability to get to the second level and block LBs is one of the things that increases his value.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Guard, definitely.
Not mobile enough to get outside one edge rushers.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I thought, but . . .
NFLDraftScout.com lists him as a OT.
Maybe he will be in the mold of Bridges the former backup OG/OT.
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him as a future starter
and less of a career backup.
I agree, especially with how much we run the ball
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be in on
short yardage and goal-line situations this season, even. If you put him beside Otah, you’ll have some giant holes open up.
Yeah, I sure hope he's the future at RG.
He sure looks the part of OG. He’s huge!
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
MrEd has an interesting point
We could have have a scary goal-line OL and then combine that with J Stew, Smitty, Moose?, Jarrett?
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OG...
but his size has people intrigued about him at OT.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I've read
his feet & movement will keep him from being an OT
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Yeah...
I’ve seen the same thing, but it’s not like Otah has stellar footwork or movement.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Where do we go in the 6th?
I really don’t see anyone that grabs my attention.
Good write up on Fiammetta
http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2009/04/fiammetta-family-man.html
Quality FB and person.
Will Parker
QBs are starting to go
Denver took Brandstarter
That damned song.
And the cheers they would drown out
the tears from my brown eyes.
This song that’s played as the NFLN returns from break… it’s just terrible. It’s as bad as a Kanye song. Horrid, wretched, terrible rhymes over a smooth beat. I hate it. Hate it hate it hate it.
James Davis to Cleveland
now there’s a multi-purpose back.
And with the RB situation there, he could see quite a bit of action too.
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I think if Hoyer or Harrell are still there
Carolina grabs one. They both have promise.
I'd agree
Though I’d also keep an eye on Augustus Parrish (especially if both those guys are gone)
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I want either
1. C – A. Q. Shipley
2. WR – Tiquan Underwood
Will Parker
by WillParker81 on Apr 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There goes another QB
Keith Null… why’d they pick him, I wonder?
The only other pick the Raiders had left was
216, in the 7th, so we must have gotten something next year
I don't see any of the QBs
going to anybody between us at 216, except maybe KC.
You never know
teams like grabbing practice squad guys (& training camp arms) late in drafts
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Alright guys! I have returned.
How about that Roberson pick? Huzzah!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Two picks left
until our draft is over and I can do something else.
Gonna go fix myself a little g&t to celebrate!
Furney!
We need a poll to decide what we’re gonna call the brain trust.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Furney
is too much Hurney, and not enough Fox.
HurFox splits it in half.
That’s not really my reasoning, but whatever.
:)
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I'm back, I wasn't kidding about the nap!
So we got a guard – Robinson, sounds like good value
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Not bad
Gamble, Marshal, Wilson (that’s his name, right?), Martin & Munnerlyn
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Munerlyn can return punts too
at least he did for USC
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...
You think they’d admit it if they weren’t?
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, actually
late round pick.
If you don’t like his chances, you cut him and look for an upgrade
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But...
at the point that you develop him and change his position, you’re obviously invested.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
his experience at S, CB, and special teams should certainly help.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Positives: Short, but has a legitimate NFL body. … Rare straight-line speed and agility. … Loose hips to turn and run with receivers. … Good explosiveness out of his cuts. … Closes quickly and gets his hands on passes. … Soft hands for the interception and can high-point passes. … Good body control to contort in space and make the athletic catch. … Good returner with experience fielding both punts and kicks. … Plays with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. … Not afraid to mix it up with the big boys and is willing in run support. … Reliable open-field tackler who flashes surprising explosiveness as a hitter. … Has forced three fumbles.
Negatives: Might be too short to play outside. … Inconsistent. … Relies on his natural ability and can be beaten with double-moves. … Experienced in zone coverage, but his playmaking skills might make him a better fit in man. … Has struggled a bit with durability, missing time in at least one game each of his three years. … Missed time as a junior with flu-like symptoms, as a sophomore with a broken foot and as a freshman due to an infection in his right arm.
NFL.com says:
Munnerlyn had a forgetful final season in a Gamecocks uniform that resulted in a benching and eventual dressing down by the coaching staff
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Spurrier lost control of team to some degree
so I wouldn’t get to worried about that. Same with Jared Cook, he has issues with the staff
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Apparently
Munnerlyn left a year early because he needed the money to take care of his sick mother. I doubt there’ll be any attitude problems, etc. from him.
Another great value pick
He was projected 3rd-4th round.
Yep.
Apparently Munnerlyn has been working out with Deon Sanders.
We might trade next years 6th for a 7th this year
who knows. Is Hoyer still on the board?
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I think
they might just go after some UDFA QBs after the draft.
Hoyer. Harrell. guys like that
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We have till pick 242
Then they get into the compensational drafts that they can’t trade. I think I’m going to stick it out.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Did anybody else watch the Prime U show on NFLN?
I did, and I only vaguely remember Captain. I think I remember him as the least athletic corner there, and got winded easily. Correct me if I’m mis-remembering that.
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to be a good article.
Best fullback in the draft, O-Line Depth, a couple good corners and a developmental DT we can throw into the rotation.
This is an article I will enjoy writing. Like a well cooked meal!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Don't forget
the pass-rushing specialist DE.
This is true!
Can’t forget the boy from Florida State. Awesome draft.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Michael Lombardi likes the Panthers 2nd round moves
Said it worked out great for them last year. And that john Fox D is at it’s best when it has a good pass rush.
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Definitely on the D
I just hope the moves the team has made will be enough
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I just hope they can get all of the picks signed.
How much cap space do we need to clear up in order to sign all these guys?
by r3 on Apr 26, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We should be good.
I imagine we’re around 2 million or so under the cap. If we sign our 2nd rounders to 4 year deals we should be able to clear them out no sweat.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Actually...
There’s a specific segment of the cap dedicated to signing draft picks in their first year, so I’d imagine that’s been accounted for.
by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
Can Brown make a big difference in his rookie year? If so then the secondary should be fine with Marshall and Gamble… and I guess Martin at Nickel???
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It also doesn’t seem like we are making any moves to improve our run defense, or to help protect Jake. Seems like Fox just wants to run the ball, and rush the passer.
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Irvin will seriously help vs. the run. Martin
is also excellent vs. the run and is a big big big hitter. Apparently Munnerlyn is also a hard hitter.
We also improved our pass rush with our big DE from Florida State.
Julius Peppers closing in on one side, Brown on the other.
Hello Ryan sandwich!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
That's an massive understatement. Lol
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I think...
all told this draft worked out extremely well. We got great value picks, and picked up probable future starters at DE, CB, G, FB, and possibly WR/RB.
Time Test
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I posted this at 6:30pm
So why does the time displayed say 3:30???
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You must be right
But cmon SBN! They need to offset it to the time of the city the team plays in. Most of the readers will be there anyways.
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Ha!
I’m coming in from South Korea, so the time is always wacky for me!
Depending on how the DE works out, I’m happy with the draft. The RB/WR tweener sounds intriguing, having the FB of the future is nice, DB and OL depth, and hopefully a KR/PR is basically what I wanted out of the draft.
I didn’t know most of the players, but from the looks, many seem to be pretty decent.
by the bomb dot com on Apr 26, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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It’s Deangello in his pimp-wear
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Draft over
UDFA time.
I prefer Draftdaddy to figure out who’s going where.
Of interest…
-QB Graham Harrell
-QB Brian Johnson
-RB Devin Moore
-RB Arian Foster
-OT Augustus Parrish
-OT Gerald Cadogan
-WR Aaron Kelly
-K Louis Sakoda
-OG Andy Kemp
-DE Mitch King
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More
Hoyer ended up on the Pats.
Foster on the Texans.
King on the Titans.
Moore on the Seahawks.
Kelly on the Falcons.
Panthers list so far…
LB Anthony Heygood (Purdue)
OL Keith Grey (UConn)
OT Gerald Cadogan (Penn St.)
LB Brit Miller (Illinois)
OL CJ Davis (Pitt)
TE Kevin Brock (Rutgers)
WR Jason Cherry (UL-Lafayette)
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Jake Delhomme started his career as a UFA
Who knows what can happen?
I hope they pick up Aaron Kelly! I can’t believe he went undrafted. It sounds like a sham!
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I think
playing with Harper at Clemson really hurt him.
Clemson was horrible this year, and it affected everyone’s draft stock.
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I'd blame the O-Line if anyone.
Harper is overrated, but when you’re constantly letting defenders flow through to own the QB and RB, the offense is doomed, along with their draft stock.
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