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One Last Panthers Positional Needs Review

Since the off-season began we've continuously discussed what the Panthers need to do to improve the team for 2009. This post is one final discussion on positional needs using a recent Charlotte.com article as the base line. The post in question graded the Panthers draft needs by position using a 10 point scale. Since there doesn't seem to be any real method behind the grading I'm just going to present a counter argument that ranks need from the most important to the least. Of course a Julius Peppers trade could shake up the entire draft but I'm not going to bother with the infinite scenarios that would involve. Here's their view of the Panthers needs prioritized from the most important to the least:

DEFENSIVE TACKLE

OFFENSIVE LINE

DEFENSIVE END

CORNERBACK

QUARTERBACKS

WIDE RECEIVERS

RUNNING BACKS

TIGHT END

SAFETIES

LINEBACKERS

I agree with the fact DT, OL, DE and CB are the top 4 needs, I would just put them in a different order. Early in the off-season DT was the obvious top need but the release of CB Ken Lucas and the loss of offensive line depth in my view changed the priorities. Of those four positions which is likely to get the most snaps in the regular season? I would say its the nickel corner given the number of spread offenses the Panthers will face in 2009. So I would order the top 4 based on number of snaps:

Nickel CB, DT, DE and then OL.

 

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Beyond CB the Panthers need another body or two in their DT rotation. It will take an early pick to accomplish that which makes it obvious to most they will target that need at some point. The need for another DE is also obvious even if Peppers should stay.

Of course injuries like those experienced on the offensive line in 2008 can affect the depth of any position. I think that scenario from 2008 gives the Panthers extra incentive to insure they have good depth on the offensive line just as they did last year. Since they already have a couple young guys they are grooming I think the Panthers are more likely to seek a free agent or two for the offensive line rather than draft more depth (unless a guy slides like Ryan Kalil did).

The middle group of priorities in my view is quarterback and wide receiver. Though the Panthers would be happy with what they have in these positions already, if the right player was available they would and should pull the pull the trigger. 

The bottom group are positions not in need and should only be draft targets if an amazing value is available, such as the Dan Conner pick last year. Many teams including the Panthers had a 1st round grade on Conner so the Panthers were quite amazed he was still there in the 3rd round. The same could happen this year with a RB, S, TE or LB.

At RB I would be happy letting Decori Birmingham get a shot at the 3rd RB slot. The kid looked good in TC and the pre-season last year so I see no need to target it this year. At TE we seem to already have two guys that can 'stretch the middle of the field' in Dante Rosario and Gary Barnidge. If instead a really good blocking TE should be available late then that might be a good pick for those short yardage situations.

So what are your comments? I realize that basing these decisions on projected number of snaps is very short sighted but this is a key season for the Panthers (aren't they all?) They have a tough schedule from start to finish and could easily find themselves on the outside looking in if they do not address the depth issue on both sides of the ball.

On a final note I'll be live blogging the draft right here for most of the entire weekend so be sure to check in and see how things are progressing.

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I think we have good DE’s to fill Pepper’s shoes. They won’t draw attention like him but I think how we have Taylor, Johnson, and Brinkley we could groom one of them. I also think DL needs one of our early picks. I like Nick Hayden personally but he is a little undersized to me. I would say first pick we need some Secondary help since NFC South teams are beginning to extend the field with the pass. Second would have to be DL no matter in whether it is a DT or DE. I think DT will be better but I wouldn’t be upset if a good DE fell. I’m into the idea of third going QB or back to the secondary to fix up our D. Finally OL should be our fourth selection to help back up the Big Uglies.

by GMallory on Apr 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree I would rather wait to get an o-lineman

unless I highly rated player falls

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by Jaxon on Apr 21, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pick #59 should be . . .

best available at DT or CB or a possible DE only if “value” falls to us. I agree with Jaxon that CB will be getting a lot of game reps, but so will a DT in our rotation especially considering our team goal of “running the ball and stopping the run”.

Will Parker

by WillParker81 on Apr 21, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

should be....

I think as far as DT goes we could kill 2 birds with one stone if we could pick up Mitch King, the DT out of IOWA if Ron Brace from Boston College is there. Mitch King can play DE and DT as well. In the 3rd Round we could get CB’s like Sherrod Martin (Troy), Donald Washington(Ohio State), Victor Harris(Virginia Tech), DJ Moore(Vanderbilt), Coye Francis( San Jose State), Keenan Lewis (Oregon State), or Asher Allen (Georgia).Most of these guys will be available in the 3rd round to pick for the nickel spot!!

There are plenty of Guards this year that we could get in the 4th round like: Trevor Canfield(Cincinnati), Anthony Parker(Tennessee) and some centers as well. So I would think we will be good plus as far as Linebackers we could get Corey Smith(Cincinnati), Nic Harris ( Oklahoma), and Jason Williams(Wisconsin) and finish off with a Full back like Quinn Johnson(LSU) or Jorvorskie Lane ( Texas A&M)!!!

by brownzville on Apr 21, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I forg ot about FB

We need to groom a replacement for Hoov. If we don’t get a DE in the 1st two picks this draft is thin after that. Agree a good nickel CB should be there in the 3rd.

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by Jaxon on Apr 21, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...please, no Javorskie Lane...

I’ve seen enough Sean May to recognize a player with the capacity to eat himself out of professional sports.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 21, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Sean May the former UNC b-ball player?

So you know this Javorskie guy (and his eating habits)? Interesting comparison I must say. I didn’t even know what happened to May. Ha..“eat himself out of the league”. Thats kind of what happened to Fonoti from last TC, eh?

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by Jaxon on Apr 21, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

May isn't quite out yet...

But he’s eaten himself fat enough to destroy his knees and he’s only played 82 games (one full season’s worth) in three years. Kind of like Dan Morgan, except it’s his fault.

As for Lane, he was a college “halfback” who weighs 297 at not even 6-0. He was a real RB prospect a couple years ago, but he’s gained about 50 pounds since.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 22, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would that qualifies as eating yourself out of a postion

unless he got on the ‘roids, but that doesn’t sound like what you are talking about.

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by Jaxon on Apr 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a pretty big fan of this post

Asher Allen or Victor Harris in the third would be amazing- we’ll see if either falls to us.

Also, regarding what someone else wrote about the NFC S becoming more pass happy, I think generating a better pass rush is equally important, if not more so, than the actual guys in coverage- but that’s just my personal football philosophy. If Gamble or Lucas were playing with a front 4 generating more of a rush last year, I can nearly promise their stats would have been better.

In the second, I’m hoping we can land a good DT or DE, with only a really great guy falling to change this up.

In the fourth, I say OL, unless someone falls.

Fifth and six I say QB and WR, if we haven’t hit either yet. There are a few late QBs I like this year, including Rhett Bomar, if he lasts that long. Brandon Tate out of UNC could be a local talent flying under the radar, minus his positive marijuana test.

by the bomb dot com on Apr 22, 2009 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm betting they bring in a UDFA for the 4th QB slot

Brian Hoyer – MSU unless someone drafts him late

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by Jaxon on Apr 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

FULLBACKS

Well maybe, not Jorvorskie Lane, but Quinn Johynson will be there for sure in the 4th round cause nobody will start picking fullbacks until the 4th and 5th round. Fullbacks don’t get picked very early.

by brownzville on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Franchise Tender

Sorry to jump off subject, but would someone PLEASE explain this to me. I understand Pep is not signing the Franchise tender, and therefore the Panthers cannot entertain any deals regarding him. What happens if he never signs it? Can they force him to play? Would he become a free agent?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Apr 21, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

All happens again...

If he doesn’t sign it, he doesn’t get paid, but his rights remain ours until we rescind the tender. If he is interested in going that route, I think he can sit until week 10 and still gain his free agency again (although we could do the tag again for 20% more.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 22, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets pray it doesn't come to that

His agent is going to look like an idiot if a trade doesn’t happen at some point. Sure he’s going to make $16M but do you really think Pep wants to field all the “Are you happy to be back in Carolina” Q’s for the next 4 months?

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by Jaxon on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. Pep crumbles when the spotlight is on him.

Remember how Jerry Richardson’s “Time fer you to step up Peppers” speech went? How’s he gonna handle this pressure for a whole season.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Apr 22, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will run from it!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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