Finally! News on Peppers Trade. Thank you God!
by Revshawn on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
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Alright guys, it appears that the conspiracy theories about wanting to get a load of picks to trade for Julius Peppers were true. According to NFL senior columnist Vic Carucci, we are part of the wicked master plan that Bill Belichick has thrown together for this offseason to get the Patriots refueled and ready for the regular season. According to the story, the Patriots are considering trading the 34th pick in the NFL draft over to the Panthers for Julius Peppers. Even though it is highly below his market value, the Panthers are said to welcome the trade because of salary cap reasons.
We still will not have a 1st round pick, but having a 34th pick in the draft will get us a 1st round caliber player. Someone will slip for whatever reason, and we'll pick him up in an instant.
Don't expect any free agent help. By now there are very few quality defensive linemen out there. I imagine that we'll call around and work a few guys out to try to find the diamond in the rough, but it isn't looking too good to expect that much help there. The only notable free agent still available off the top of my head is Jason Taylor, but once again you have the salary cap issues. We don't have any money to afford a huge signing. We have just enough money to get one or two lesser known guys and hope that they'll rise to become the unknown star.
Onto the draft, if I were to dream up the perfect situation for us, I could imagine the Panthers drafting a DE as the 34th pick to replace Julius Peppers. With a good pick later in the 2nd round, they can solidify either the offensive or defensive lines. The 3rd round sounds ideal to draft a good corner, and we'll probably pick up a QB as well in the later rounds. I fully, fully expect this draft to center around the defensive line. They started out good early last year and then they collapsed along the stretch. If we can pull out one good solid producer or two out of the draft, then I think with the talented linebackers we have this year that we'll be able to make due until the uncapped year in 2010 when all hell breaks loose.
You can read Vic Carruci's article here and see for yourself. Keep your eyes and ears open folks! This trade should happen very soon, or at least before the start of the draft.
UPDATE: Inside the Panthers blog denies the Peppers talk. I'm ready to chalk it up as the Panthers covering their tracks though. I've said this before, and I'll say it once more: the Panthers will never come out and openly admit that they are shopping Peppers. The instant they do that, Peppers value goes down. Sure the Patriots are interested in Pep, they have every right to be. But there are other teams interested in the Pep as well.
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2nd round pick
I am a little shocked that Peppers is only worth a 2nd round pick. I would hope we could get a little more than that, if not a 5th round pick or some other draft pick. One pick seems a little low to me. Of course if we are dealing with the Patriots then that is probably all we will receive. They are not known for just giving away picks. I can live with a second round pick but I would like to see us get more.
Why should this trade happen very soon?
Because of bhwells29 news as of last post. Has anyone heard about the trade rumors around Jay Cutler. Supposedly, Denver is in trade talks with two teams due to the issues surrounding Cutler and McDaniels. Who are the two teams? Carolina and Dallas. It was said earlier on Sirius radio that Dallas is considering a heads up trade sending Culter to Big D and Tony Romo to Denver. Denver is also speaking to Carolina regarding a trade for Pep and a draft pick. Look for New England to pull the trigger on the Peppers trade much earlier than expected if these rumors are true. I say give Denver Peppers, a draft pick, and Jake if needed. Can you imagine what our offense would be ranked with the addition of Cutler. Steve Smith would have a career year and possibly give Fitz a run for his money statistically. Just reporting the info as it becomes available.
-B
Once Again
Give us the link where it says we’re trying to trade for Cutler. Something as big as Cutler-Peppers would be all over the media, and I’ve yet to see anything about it.
I heard
Cutler is coming to Carolina, Romo is going to Denver, Peppers and a draft pick are going to Indy, then Indy is going to ship Peyton Manning and a throw in to Jacksonville for Maurice Jones Drew who will go to Dallas, who will then ship Drew to Seattle for T.J. Houshmanzedeh who will go to Cincy for Carson Palmer who will go to Dallas, who will then give a draft pick to Arizona for Anquan Boldin, who will then be traded from Dallas for Usi Omeniyora, who will then get traded to Green Bay for Aaron Rodgers, who is going to New Orleans straight up in a deal for Drew Brees and a draft pick. I heard it on the radio today. Just trust me, I heard it.
Maybe Peppers is going to NE, but that seems to be about it right now.
by bengoodfella on Mar 16, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell no.
If Peppers only nets us a 2nd rounder, someone needs to be fired. Immediately. (HurFox?)
He’s worth more than that. And if the Panthers are really worried about cash problems, they can trade him for more (1st rounder included), and then trade the first rounder for more picks later + a future first rounder (a la the Eagles/Panthers trade last year).
The Panthers, if they trade Peppers for so little, will have to build through the draft… namely the late round picks (2 2nd-rounders, everything else after that). I have seen nothing as of late that gives me confidence in the Panthers scouting/drafting abilities. I mean, huge 3rd round reaches (James Anderson? Rashad Butler?), ignoring need positions (DT last year, S for the couple years before that), missing on pick after pick (Nate Salley, Keary Colbert, Dwayne Jarrett, etc.)… the team needs to get as many “star” players in the first round as they can, because after that, it’s even more of a crapshoot for the Panthers than most teams.
Not to mention, the Panthers can’t negotiate with the Pats (or anyone) because Peppers hasn’t signed in tender yet.
As for Cutler, while I was/am pushing for a trade, something has been brought up (Charlotte Observer, I think) that is worth noting… he’s not Peyton Manning. Or anything. Right now, entering his 5th year in the league, he’s only 1 thing… a whiner. Pinning all your hopes on him (and ignoring the defense along with it) is just stupid.
Why are so many people down on Cutler?
You can’t tell me that having him at the QB position instead of Delhomme would not make the Panthers a better overall team. Smith imo has atleast three more spectacular seasons in him (as long as he stays healthy). Also I think by adding a big arm quarterback like Cutler, it would make our great run game even better.
And people forget that the Manning not named Peyton was being a whiner before he even played a down in the NFL. On draft day (back in 2004) Eli was being a ’lil b**** saying he only wanted to go to NY and not SD. Is that not a WHINER? Now look at the Giants, they seem to be a yearly pick to reach the Super Bowl.
by ChipperTeixeira89 on Mar 16, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not down on Cutler
I just don’t think he’s “the answer” if we don’t fix our D first.
All the offense in the world won’t help this team if they play defense like they did last year.
I agree
I would rather see the Panthers try and keep Peppers. Even if he tries to hold out, even if they have to find more ways of scrounging for cap money, then to see them trade him to those dirty dog Pats for a 2nd rounder.
The odds of trying to replace Peppers production with a 2nd rounder is really slim. I was going to say slim to none, but then I remembered Jared Allen was drafted in the 4th round.
Darin Gantt thinks it’ll take more than a 2nd round pick for Peppers
"As for the Panthers, the Patriots could be a match in a deal, since they have what Carolina covets — draft picks.
But they’re going to have to offer far more than the pick discussed Monday.
A proposed deal for the single second-rounder falls well short of the established market value. That was set last spring, when Kansas City sent defensive end Jared Allen to Minnesota for a first-rounder and two thirds (17th, 73rd and 82nd overall).
When trading picks, most teams use a chart which assigns points to each pick to gauge approximate value. According to a common version of the chart, the Chiefs got 1,355 points worth of picks last year for Allen.
This year’s 34th alone is worth just 560, or less than half the Kansas City haul."
http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/1204133.html
Update.
Linked Vics article with my own.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Peppers and White
Glad to hear we are still trying to move Peppers. Also, vis-a-vis the draft, anyone think we could draft QB/WR Pat White out of WVU in the 3rd round (or even sooner if we swap draft picks on draft day). He could play WR at first, and after the Delhomme era ends in a couple years, be our franchise QB. Plus, at WR, he could pull some of that Antwann Randle-El trick play stuff. Any thoughts on White?
Personally I don't like him. That's just my gut talking though.
That doesn’t mean that much though. The Panthers do need a good QB. If he’s available in the 3rd round, then by all means we should draft him! I wouldn’t take him any higher than that though, we are in serious need of players on the defensive line, and I’ll be harping on that the rest of the off-season. I say we sick our scouts on the QB class and take one at the end of the draft. See if we can’t come up with the next Tom Brady.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I don't like White either
Damnit- the 34th pick! You mean the one the Patriots got for Cassel! In essence, the Patriots trading Peppers for Cassel. Jesus, I wish we had pulled the trigger on that so damn bad.
Anyway, Panthers can’t say anything to the trade, since it’s initiated by Peppers’ agent, not us.
I’d still rather have Cutler than the 34th pick, and I don’t think that is as far fetched as some of you may believe.
by the bomb dot com on Mar 17, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Cassel for Peppers would've sucked
Cutler for Peppers, I can live with. I still hope the team lands some early picks… picks too early for them to blow (just go with the hype, if the scouting sucks), and picks that can be used to fill huge holes at DT and eventually (it seems) DE.
Actually
the Panthers can’t say anything because they can’t discuss him in a trade with other teams, because he’s not under contract as a Panther.
Would this make you guys happy?
Pats trade Wilfork and and 2nd round pick for Peppers. He would be an immediate upgrade at our DT position, and he is looking for a contract extension from the Pats. Once we move Peppers, we can afford to give Vince what he wants in regards to a contract.
-B
Happy
But any trade has to make sense for both teams. Who steps in for Wilfork if he gets traded? Of course, I’d want us to pull the trigger on the trade ASAP.
Would they want to trade Wilfork?
Last I heard they were trying to re-sign him
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Wow
the one day in the last 3 months that I’m too busy at work and home to even touch a keyboard this story breaks. Thanks for picking me up Rev and the rest of you that have contributed.
I’m stoked about the possibilities. Sure, I really hate to lose a player like Pep but as I’ve said many times if he doesn’t want to be here there isn’t much you can do. I would hope the Panthers could get more than the #34 but at least the minimum price has been set. I bet this story was leaked by the Panthers to stoke the bidding war between NE and Denver.
I’m not sure how I feel about Cutler coming over. I’ll have to think about that one for a bit.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Pepper's for Cutler
I can’t get past the 6 turnovers against the Cardinals
Here's a key part of Vic's insight:
According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
So, if you are thinking this is going to happen in the next few days you might be waiting in vain
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Another point
So you are going to tell me Miami and Parcells wouldn’t pony up their #25 for Peppers?
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Adam Shefter says it isn't happeneing
Shefter says no Peppers to NE.
I’m inclined to believe him since he’s usually right. I also think the Peppers for Cutler idea makes sense for both sides, and seems better than the NE deal.
Here's the deal
Trade him for a high second round choice or don’t and risk a hold out and 16.7Mil against the salary cap. You be the GM.
Welcome to the blog krp
Yeah, I’m sure the Panthers really don’t want to pay him $16M for the season. There’s still plenty of time for something to happen and it may actually not happen until draft day.
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