Panthers QB Matt Moore vs. Bucs Film Review
I wanted to see just how valuable Matt Moore's play was in the 16-6 win over the Bucs, and this play-by-play analysis gave me a lot to be confident about, going forward.
Hopefully, James can edit this to make it more readable for everybody. It covers all pass plays.
1st Quarter --
13:42 (3rd and 1, Car 43, after 2 runs by Jonathan Stewart gain 9 yards) After a 9-step, 3 second drop, Moore throws to the left sideline to Steve Smith for a 9 yd gain, and a first down. The pass was a little high, but accurate. No YAC, as Smith takes it out of bounds.
13:23 (1st and 10, TB 48, next play) Roll out to the right, Moore passes for a 7 yd gain to Muhsin Muhammad. This again was accurately thrown, and carries Moose out of bounds, on the right sideline.
11:04 (1st and 10, TB 19, right after Tyrell Sutton's 11 yd run) Moore makes a quick, 2 second drop, and leads TE Jeff King perfectly at the 16, allowing him to make another 12 YAC, taking it to the TB 4, for a 15 yd gain, and a first down. Two rushes later, Stewart scores, to put the Panthers up 7-0.
(after Charles Godfrey's INT at the Carolina 30)
7:27 (2nd and 6, Car 34, after a Stewart run) First play action -- 3 second, 8 yd drop, Moore throws on target to the left sideline to Moose, for a 14 yd gain to the Car 48. First down.
(then after a 23 yd run by Stewart, a 20 yd run by Sutton, and 2 more rushes...)
4:22 (3rd and goal, TB 5) Moore makes a quick, 3 second drop, but overthrows Steve Smith in the right corner of the end zone. This is the only really negative play attributable to Moore, IMO. But we make the FG, and lead 10-0.
(after a TB punt)
2:34 (1st and 10, Car 16) Moore rolls out, makes a 10 yd drop, and seeing others covered, throws the outlet to Jeff King, for no gain. Not a positive play, but not a negative one, either.
1:57 (2nd and 10, Car 16) Moore makes a nice, high lob to Smith at the 26, but the pass is dropped, due to good coverage by the defense. The pass was where it should have been, and showed a soft touch -- the same throw made to Smith in the EZ earlier would have scored a TD.
2nd Quarter --
(after Hollis Thomas and Julius Peppers stuff consecutive runs inside our 5, forcing a TB FG, making it 10-3)
13:25 (1st and 10, Car 36) Moore takes a 3 second, 8 yd drop, and throws deep to Muhammad down the right sideline. The throw is on target, 44 yds in the air, but is defended well by Barber, and is incomplete. I rate it a positive for Moore, as it loosens the defense, sends a signal that we can go deep, and -- most importantly, it's not underthrown or overthrown.
(after a 25 yd run by Stewart, and then a 5 yd penalty for a false start, on Steve Smith)...
12:42 (1st and 15, TB 44) Moore makes a 2 second, 6 yd drop, and throws to Dante Rosario at the TB 38. The pass is deflected by Tanard Jackson, who comes off his man, Steve Smith, and the tip is intercepted by LB Geno Hayes. Though the throw was in traffic, Rosario had separation from his man, Hayes -- I don't fault Moore for this INT, but rather the fact that we had 2 receivers in close proximity, allowing Jackson to make the tip.
(as a side note, at this ppoint in the game, we led Time of Possession 10:57 to 5:54, and had run 22 plays to 12 by TB -- one of many 1st quarters this season where we'd dominated the action, then let the opponent back into the game)
(TB was then held to a second FG, after Charles Godfrey defensed a pass in the EZ) Score now 10-6.
8:10 (3 and 15, Car 22, after 2 runs and a Jeff Otah false start) Moore play actions, but a blocking breakdown allows a rusher to hurry him -- he avoids the sack by tossing an incomplete pass (again a heads-up play)
(after TB has a 1st and 10 deep in our territory, Julius Peppers makes a sack for a 4 yd loss, and James Anderson's subsequent tackle and an incompletion bring up 4th and 3, TB tries a FG, but misses it. Still 10-6.
2:05 (2nd and 8, Car 28) Moore takes a 4 second, 8 yd drop, after a play fake to Stewart, then tosses to Stewart at the 31 -- after a 3yd YAC, it's a 6 yd gain.
1:56 (3rd and 2, Car 34) From the shotgun (first time, I believe) with a 2 back set, Moore rolls right and passes to Muhammad at the sideline, for a 7 yd gain, and a first down, stopping the clock.
1:52 (1st and 10, Car 41) Shotgun again, 3 second drop, but Moore is hit by the DE after a missed block -- he manages to throw an incompletion.
1:48 (2nd and 10, Car 41) Under center, Moore takes a 4 second, 8 yd drop, and completes a 5 yd pass to Steve Smith, over the middle.
1:24 (3rd and 5, Car 46) Shotgun, 3 second, 6 yd drop, but the LDE Tim Crowder is totally unblocked, and sacks Moore before he can do anything but avoid fumbling -- which is better than we've seen in the past. We then punt and the half comes to an end. At the half, we've outgained the Bucs, 135-83 yds.
3rd Quarter --
(after Jon Beason's 1st INT, at our goal line)...
12:00 (1st and 10, Car 18) 3 runs by Stewart net 19 yds.
10:52 (3rd and 2, Car 37) With all 3 TE's out for a pass, Moore checks down his progressions, after a 7 yd drop, and finds Rosario in the left flat at the 39 -- after a 3 yd YAC, we have a first down at our 42, a 5 yd gain.
10:14 (1st and 10, Car 42) After play action to Tyrell Sutton, Moore takes a 9 yd drop, eludes the rush of an unblocked DLman, rolls to his right, and throws on the run to Rosario for a 6 yd gain.
(after Stewart rushes for 12 to the TB 40)
9:08 (1st and 10, TB 40) After play action to Stewart (holding the LB's, after the previous play) Moore takes a 3 second, 9 yd drop, and throws a perfect pass to Muhammad for 15 yds, to the TB 25, for a first down. This pass has accuracy, timing, and good velocity, and shows me, next to the 4th quarter throw to Smith, that Moore has the attributes to make all the necessary throws.
(at this point, we go conservative, and 3 rushes only gain 3 yds, bringing boos from the crowd. John Kasay makes a 40 yd FG, making the score 13-6.)
(then after a TB punt, all hell breaks loose -- Chris Gamble muffs that punt, giving the Bucs a 1st and 10 at our 20 -- but on their first play, Jon Beason gets his second INT, at the Car 2, returning it to our 21.)
3:36 (2nd and 9, Car 22) After a Stewart 1 yd run, Moore makes a 3 second, 8 yd drop and tosses to Jeff King on a crossing pattern for a 2 yd gain.
2:58 (3rd and 7, Car 24) Moore, after a straight drop of 7 yards, throws in the middle to WR Charly Martin (for the first catch of his career) for a 6 yd gain. But for an immediate tackle by Tanard Jackson, it came up a yd short of a first down, and kled to our punt.
4th Quarter --
11:00 (The turning point of the game, after TB has it 2nd and goal at our 5) On that down, Chris Harris tackles Bryant in the end zone, knocking the ball loose and saving a tying TD. On 3rd and goal, Jon Beason and Charles Godfrey make a huge stop on Cadillac Williams. After a delay, with John Fox calling a T.O. to regroup his defense. the Bucs go for it on 4th down, from our 3 -- Chris Harris makes the INT in our end zone!
9:38 (2nd and 9, Car 21, after a 1 yd run by Stewart) Moore makes a 3 second, 8 yd drop, and throws a perfect pass, 57 yds in the air, to Steve Smith, catching him in stride, at the TB 30 -- after 17 more YAC, Smith is caught from behind by S Piscatelli. The gain is 66 yds, first down.
(here, again, we go conservative, netting 8 yds on 3 runs by Stewart, bringing more boos from the crowd. We take another FG, to make the lead a 2 score advantage, 16-6) Moore is quoted as saying it was his decision on 3rd down, to run it, rather than trying the pass, in light of the advantage of a 10-pt lead, and I applaud his thinking.
That was pretty much it. Score now 16-6.
5:19 (1st and 10, Car 33) After a NIck Hayden sack, the Bucs have to try another FG, and again they miss. We run it 3 times, losing a net 2 yds, but more importantly, running over 2 minutes off the clock.
With 3 minutes left, the Bucs take over on their 15, and move the chains (thanks to our loose prevent defense) down to our 24, but there was only :30 left, and Chris Gamble's INT led to our kneel-down to seal the win.
Now, after all this, I have to assert that Matt Moore did a whale of a job, and I'm looking forward to how he uses the confidence this win gives him, in the games ahead.
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Forgot to say it, but
I included the number of seconds taken by Moore to get his passes off, and the drops he took, because I think if he keeps that rhythm, he’ll be hard to sack.
by bigdavis on Dec 7, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice writeup Big D. This actually makes me more confident about Moore heading into the next four games.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 7, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Surprise
This young man might turn out to be a real surprise. As his confidence builds and he is able to take more command of the team, we might have just what we have been looking for right here in our own backyard. Wouldn’t that be nice, and that would take care of our major problem. Then we could address wide recievers and we might have a few players we could trade for some top tier recievers.
by Cwilly1 on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great breakdown!
I was already high on Moore’s performance but you knocked me up to a whole other cloud (Man, that doesn’t look near as appropriate in text as it did in my head) increased my excitement substantially.
Double Trouble; we've got the best running backs in the NFL that never see the ball!
by D-Ranged1 on Dec 7, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice writeup Bigdavis!
All I did was bold your down and distance designations for easier reading.
Great post though.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 7, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, James
While i did invite your editing, it does change the emphasis to do it this way.
I had of course arranged it chronologically, for obvious reasons, but had wanted to place the emphasis, through bold-facing as I did, – on the results of Moore’s passing, by bolding the YG, YAC, and FD’s.
But either way, I hope it’s plain he did a good job. He gets the ball out quickly and most often accurately — those are the attributes that will serve him well in the future.
by bigdavis on Dec 8, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fell free to change it back if I missed what you were going for.
It was a great post.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 8, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it's okay
I no longer have the option to edit it, but I think anybody reading this exchange will get what I meant. Thanks for your compliments.
I’d again stress that Moore’s habit of getting the pass off (with accuracy and velocity) quickly is what makes a successful QB. When I saw him do that a few times, I carefully timed it, with frame-by-frame stop-action, and he NEVER went over 4 seconds from the time the ball was snapped — and most times 2-3 seconds), with the lone exception of the forced roll-out at 10:14, 3Q. A decisive and quick release will overcome the just average pass protection that our line offers. I’m looking forward to how he does against better teams’ pass rushes, but I think he’ll do a lot better that Jake has in the past. Jake has taken a lot of sacks, and fumbled, because he doesn’t get rid of it fast enough.
Watch Moore in the next game (he’ll be starting, for sure, because I just know the coaches saw what I saw), ans time his release.
by bigdavis on Dec 8, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't do that when the receivers aren't open.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well they obviously are getting open
because Moore hit them in this game. I’ll tell you what I tell my brother when I’m kicking his butt in Madden, sometimes you have to pull the trigger and make them open.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight...
you’re saying that Moore’s able to get the pass out quicker than Delhomme because…
…the receivers somehow get better separation when Delhomme’s not in there?
MP, you know I’ve been a Jake supporter for months - but I’m at least able to realize, and acknowledge, that Moore has better throwing mechanics (I didn’t even mention that Moore made -0 throws off his back foot), more velocity, and is more accurate than Jake. But the real advantage he showed, in this game at least, is that he doesn’t stay too long with the ball in his hands. The only sack he took was due to a completely unblocked DE. He’s more mobile than Jake, and makes faster decisions.
Jake’s biggest asset is his heart, but that wasn’t getting the ball where it had to be anymore.
by bigdavis on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because if Jake can't get the ball to Smitty/Moose/Rosario/Jarrett/Williams etc
Then no other quarterback can, period….ok
by SmithnCompany on Dec 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW, This is nice.
Good job man. This is great, breaking everything down.
by pantherfan95323 on Dec 8, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do against NE’s D.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the breakdown!
I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.
by Davejinxer on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good job BigDavis
I’m running a little late on reviewing today’s material but better late than never. I had to shorten the title
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by Jaxon on Dec 8, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
If JD’s struggles with turn-overs influenced Moore when he
1) Overthrew Smith in the endzone (wanting to be sure he did not turn it over)
2) Checked down to a run play in the redzone and settled for a field goal to go up by two scores instead of running the called pass play in the 4th quarter (wanting to be sure he did not turn it over)
If Moore’s mentality is being influenced by Jake’s previous poor play, how long will it last? Or is this more a symptom of it being Moore’s first start in 3 yrs?
What do ya’ll think?
by GoodOl'NorthState on Dec 8, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think both. Not wanting to follow in the steps of Delhomme put throwing multiple picks and it being his first start. Considering he was 3rd string behind McCown, and then Feeley came in and it was kind of up in the air as to which one would take 2nd string, I don’t imagine he got too much time practicing with the first string if any. Is anyone aware of how much practice he has actually had this year?
I think he’ll get better every week and, hopefully, we’ll really be able to see what he is worth against New Orleans (plenty of practice and likely the last time we see him before the off season) to make a QB decision.
Double Trouble; we've got the best running backs in the NFL that never see the ball!
by D-Ranged1 on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He practiced with the starters this past week, but it was kinda limited because of the weather.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 8, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
11:04, 1st: King was wide open. I could have made that pass and “led him perfectly.”
1:57, 1st: This was the worst throw of the day. Smith’s well timed jump and knockdown was the only thing that saved that duck from being pick-sixed.
12:42, 2nd: That was a bad throw…into tons of traffic. That throw would have gotten Delhomme trashed, and he’d have been blamed 100% for the INT. If Moore’s the starting QB now, there’s no training wheels and no grading curve.
9:38, 4th:
Moore is quoted as saying it was his decision on 3rd down, to run it, rather than trying the pass, in light of the advantage of a 10-pt lead, and I applaud his thinking.
Funny, I rarely see much applause when it’s Fox or Davidson’s call.
You certainly spun this game well for a Moore evaluation.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You must've ran out of negative things.
It was a good game for Moore, no need for him to spin.
I’d much rather see Delhomme resort to a run in the red zone, I get scared when he drops back. Especially if we’re ahead.
Double Trouble; we've got the best running backs in the NFL that never see the ball!
by D-Ranged1 on Dec 9, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Delhomme supporter is back
Dude, face it, Delhomme was not going to win any more games, maybe not even this one. On your passing breakdown, Moore made a good throw to King, something Delhomme hasn’t consistently done. The pass to Smith could have gone either way, that’s one of those breaks you catch or don’t catch in football. His INT was into traffic, but sometimes you have to make those throws. Again, it was tipped, not completely Moore’s fault.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it wasn't tipped by the defender on Moore's target, Rosario, who was Geno Hayes.
The pass was in the right position for Rosario to catch it — but somebody ran a wrong pattern, or else the play needs to be tweaked — Steve Smith shouldn’t be in a position to have his CB within a yard of Moore’s target, Rosario. If there’s any separation, the pass is caught. Hayes only got the pick because it was tipped at him by Jackson, who made a good play by reading Moore, and not staying on his man, Smith.
by bigdavis on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As for the pass to King at 11:04...
I’ve no doubt that YOU could’ve made that pass…but how many times has Jake missed it? Swing passes in the flat, whether to a TE, or Williams, or Hoover, have too often not been completed. The pass looks easy, but apparently it hasn’t been for Jake.
I spun nothing, just described it as I saw it, spending a few hours stop-framing every pass play. I wanted to know whether Moore played well or not, and I think I showed how he did.
You go back and watch Jake in past games. How many times has he gotten rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds from the time the ball is snapped? Not many, I’ll tell you.
by bigdavis on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's evaluating a young QB making his 4th start
not a 7 year starting QB. I think the points about release time are very valid. So are you saying MP that Moore is just lucky more passes were’nt picked and Delhomme is not that lucky? Comeon…that only goes so far.
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by Jaxon on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant.
There is no grading curve in the NFL. And if you looked at this week’s game, he was certainly VERY lucky he didn’t have three or four picks.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 13, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should go over Jake's perfect mechanics for a qb
oh wait we have, but countless times….my goodness
by SmithnCompany on Dec 9, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm
I noticed that Moore was getting the ball out decently quick – he was decisive on his WR progression reads. It would be nice if he could have just a little bit more time in the pocket so that more can develop down the field. I think too much is often put on our WRs for not separating, but it starts up front. If the O-line can give Moore a few seconds (3-4+) then it gives the WRs a chance to move around and get open.
by boywonderncsu on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was really expecting bigger numbers from a good QB against a horrible Bucs team, so I wouldn’t say he did a tremendous job. But then again, the Panthers scheme didn’t really allow him to do much torching of the defense. He managed the game well, although I do blame Moore for the INT and thought he cost us 4 points for the overthrow on Smitty. All that being said, he’s young, it was his first start in forever, and he looked a whole hell of a lot better than Jake. Keep running him out there and maybe he can progress into something special by next season. God knows we need someone. We’ll get a much more honest look at Moore this Sunday at New England I believe.
by pancanbra on Dec 9, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, solid comments there P
but we’re looking at a big pendulum swing here…playing at home vs a 1-10 team whose season is over and now going up north to a triple SB winning team at home with a lot to play for and big home fan expectations. After the event, we’re still going to be saying ‘well we need to see more than just two games to fully evaluate him’ (moore). So his grace period may well stretch the rest of the season, assuming he keeps getting starts!
But as long as there are no multi-int games, keep riding the horse to see what we’ve got here!
by PantherPaddy on Dec 9, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well despite their track record, the Patriots defense is actually not that great. So I have a sneaking suspicion that Moore will have a good game. It’s weird, when watching him in the preseason he looks absolutely terrible. But during the regular season games so far, he seems to have more composure and he has some sort of “it” that I like. But then again, these could be feelings that I have based on how refreshing it is to have someone other than Jake try and man the offense.
by pancanbra on Dec 9, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he seems to have more composure and he has some sort of "it"
Well now, that’s about as subjective as one could get, isn’t it?
I have to go back again to the measurables – not the stats on completions, or %’s or ratios, but the observations of his mechanics.
If you have a QB who has velocity and accuracy on his throws, who maintains balance, who can evade a rush (not every time but sometimes), and most importantly, doesn’t take but an average of 3 seconds to deliver the pass – you’ve got the potential for a fine result.
Has anybody but I thought about the quick release aspect to measuring the value of a QB?
(Now if this was just a fluke because he was playing against the lowly Bucs, and he wilts against better teams’ pressure, and takes 4-5 seconds to make up his mind, and takes sacks and fumbles the ball, then I’ll throw it all out the window. But I don’t think that’s gonna happen.)
by bigdavis on Dec 10, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, and Jake does take a lot of time in the pocket because I don’t think he’s a very smart QB to be quite honest. I wasn’t trying to give some in depth analysis of Moore’s play, I was just stating that I don’t get the sickening feeling when he takes the field like I have with past Panthers QB’s. Moore so far this season is 1-0 and that’s the most important stat.
by pancanbra on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any feeling you have is your own fault, not Delhomme's.
Do you feel queasy when Smith runs out for a route because his play has directly led to 12 points for the other team this year? He’s certainly given you “reason” to.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 13, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not throwing the ball
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 14, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Delhomme's not running the wrong routes.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 14, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So nothing is Delhomme's fault?
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 15, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How deep does one mans love run for his QB? Apparently the abyss isn’t deep enough.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
by D-Ranged1 on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody but I thought about the quick release ... Absolutely.
It’s no doubt an upgrade when your QB can get rid of the ball quickly. Of course, accuracy , good reads, and strength have to be there.
We’ve gotten burned in the past, just like any other NFL team, by QB’s who don’t hold the ball long enough for us to get to him. I’m hoping Moore demonstrates this quality.
We’ll see…. (But I’m hoping to have a 5 game evaluation of him, not just 1 or 2)
by 12th_Man_Fan on Dec 10, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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