The Story of the 2009 Season: The Rev's Version
I'm going to come out and admit this right off the bat. Three weeks ago, I had mentally clocked out on this team. I hate to admit that. I love my Panthers, and I watch their games every week without fail. Ever since I first moved up from Florida to South Carolina, I've fallen in love with this sport and this football team. I love their philosophy. I love Bank of America stadium. Jerry Richardson is one of the most stand up, successful guys in the world today both in business and football, and anyone that challenges otherwise is either drunk or stupid, possibly both.
I love everything about the Panthers. And as such, I'll be one of the first people to admit that this has been a weird season. Just think about this for a second. We started out the season sputtering in all three areas of the game. Literally the only thing working at the beginning of the year was our running game, and even that facet of our team wasn't being utilized efficiently. I'm going to post a link to an article on Panthers Growl right here written after an 0-3 start, and tell me if we at all expected the Panthers to be this good at the end of the season.
Just look at us now.
Julius Peppers is playing lights out under a recharged defense. We've lost Thomas Davis, Na'il Diggs, and countless defensive tackles to the dreaded bench, but the unit don't seem to care at all. For weeks on end our defense has been flying around like a freight train on crack, destroying everything that stands in their way. Opposing QB's are under all sorts of pressure, and our defense is generating an important statistic that they didn't have too much of last year: Turnovers. Our Panthers only managed 12 interceptions last year, and so far the Panthers have 21. We've also forced 20 fumbles, up by three from 17 last year.
And don't forget, this is compared to a Panthers team that went 12-4 last year. It's amazing to think that our defense this year is even better than they were the year before. Ron Meeks has done a fantastic job, and I look forward to seeing what additional terrors he builds into our team in 2010.
Also, let's not forget how the addition of Matt Moore has changed our team. Unless you're living in a hole the last few weeks, you'd know the Panthers are 2-1 with him in the starting lineup playing against playoff teams. Watching him perform reminds me a whole lot of Ben Rothelsburger in the way that he extends a broken play. Jake Delhomme has always been a pocket passer, and as a fan base we've grown used to having a passer like that. Having a QB like Matt Moore add a new layer of production to that position is a pleasant change, and it's exactly what we needed to have in order for our offense to catch fire and be successful.
I'm going to go on record though and say that the success the last few weeks should in no way be attributed to our offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson. As well as we've done, Jeff royally screwed us over far too many times for me to ever truly forgive him. We could go into next season, go 16-0, and in the back of my mind I'd still be angry at Jeff for trying to pound a round peg into a square hole for almost the entire season in 09.
Here are four games I believe that the Panther should have won. Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, and New York. In all four of these games, the Panthers would not fully commit to the run. Jake threw a combined 10 interceptions opposed to 2 touchdowns, and he had the vast majorities of the snaps on offense. This is where Jeff Davidson failed us. Again and again, he continued to pretend that he had a Peytan Manning operating at the QB position, and continued to call passing plays despite what common sense said would happen on the field. Call it pride. Call it stupidity. Call it whatever you want. Jeff Davidson deserves the full brunt of blame for us not making the playoffs, and I will argue with anyone that says otherwise.
While our defense broke their reputation of being "The Worst Tackling Team in all of football" and became a top 10 unit, our offense simply sat there and did nothing to improve itself. We ignored the obvious problem on offense for far too long, and neither fixed it nor minimized the problem. That is the biggest reason we are not in the playoffs right now, and that is the story of the 09 season.
With that said, I look forward to 2010. We'll have an easier schedule. We'll have two of the best running backs in the NFL. We'll have a new QB with very little film on him in Matt Moore We'll have one of the most dominant receivers in the game in Steve Smith who'll be pretty pissed off at the media telling him that he can't play in the NFL because of his broken arm and supposed 'declining speed'. We'll have one of the deepest linebacker corps in the league, a rejuvenated defensive line led by Julius Peppers ((provided he resigns)) and Everette Brown. We'll have a powerful woodlayer in the backfield in our very own Chris Harris at SS and a quick, stealthy ballhawk in Sherrod Martin at FS. Chris Gamble and Richard Marshall will be back, and they've been a big reason why QB's have to hold onto the ball for so long.
It's a pain in the rear to miss the playoffs this year, but we'll be back. Mark my words, we WILL be back. We just need a little time. A little patience. Our Carolina Panthers will be a brand new team next year. Then, only then will the NFL realize the wrath of a kitty scorned. We do what we want, when we want to do it. And the NFL? They'll just be forced to sit around and watch as we claim our Lombardi Trophy.
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2010 looks very bright!
Nice post Rev, but I think if we have some amazing offensive resurgence and we go 16-0, I might, just might be able to forgive Jeff Davidson ; )
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I'll do my best James. I really will.
But then I’ll think of these statistics from last year.
Jake Delhomme: 178 out of 321 for 8 Touchdowns, 18 interceptions, and 59.4 passer rating his 11 games he started.
Matt Moore: 51 out of 83 completions for 7 touchdowns, 0 interceptions and a 115 passer rating his last 3 games.
Why Jeff? WHY?
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
don't forget jake's fumbles
and one game when d-will averaged over 9 YPC, but only ran 13 times. and then he averaged over 6 YPC in a loss and, again, only had 13 carries.
by usana_gaines on Dec 31, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nice post.
We almost certainly will spank many a team next year as long as Davidson can continue where he is leaving off.
He seems to need a QB that can whip it down the field often; he may have that in Moore. Guess time will tell.
Anybody know how long we have him under contract?
He needs a QB that can extend a broken poor play
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Excellent post...
I couldn’t agree with you more.
And, count me in your corner on the whole “it’s Davidson’s fault we didn’t make the playoffs” wagon — I’m right there with ya on that thought.
So you don't think if Moore was at QB the whole year we'd have made the playoffs?
Because many of our losses came down to too many turn overs. And while it can be Davidson’s fault for not moving the offense… It’s NOT his fault when a guy fumbles or throws the ball to the other team.
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Hindsight is 20-20
I prefer not to look back, only forward. It will make you more of an optimist Southy.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 2, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
"Hindsight" is an excuse people make when they don't want to admit they were wrong
Especially when so many of us were clamoring for Moore early on… That was foresight. And I’ve been plenty optimistic… About Moore, the guy who deserves it.
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"hindsight"
It’s also the ability to look like a genius when 1 out of 25 predictions come true.
Not directed at you southtunnel, but it normally follows that path.
Nobody ever mentions the other 24 beliefs or predictions that fall flat, or don’t occur but when people get that one right they tout it like they’re the Nostradamus of football.
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Rev, you might add one thing about the pass defense doing so well...
…a mention of Captain Munnerlin is on order. The last few games he’s often lined up in coverage on the opponent’s #2 WR, with Marshall covering the slot receiver, when they line up 3 WR outs. And he’s been playing tight man coverage. I think he’s got a bright future in the defensive backfield — with this year’s experience he’s only gonna get better. And Charles Godfrey’s been getting some good hits lately, too.
Altogether we’ve got a very highly functioning defense, and you’re right to observe that the coverage adds to the pressure the DL is getting on QBs now. A good combination.
I would hate to be Mark Brunell this Sunday.
captain munnerlyn
is the 7th round DB version of Marques Colston. Obviously if anyone knew he’d be this good, he’d have been picked up earlier. I won’t say he’s a 1st rd talent, but over 200 guys were drafted before him.
by usana_gaines on Dec 31, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I saw some sites project him as high as the third
with the consensus being the 4th or fifth. Definitely a steal. He’s the secondary’s version of Steve Smith.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 1, 2010 4:57 AM EST up reply actions
With a name like Captain, he's destin for stardom
But I say we nick name “Moneyland”
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At least 4 games
Were lost because JD thought he was in the Arena league or perhaps even in Canada. Were offensive lines only know how to move backwards.
How do we even know which plays were his and which were Fox's?
If they get rid of him in the off season, then that will obviously be very telling. If not, then it might be a sign we are blaming the wrong person.
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given that Fox is a defensive guy
and probably hired Davidson so he wouldn’t have to step in on offense, then throw in the fact that our offense was SO much better when Delhomme was calling the plays, I blame Davidson.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 2, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
Fox has had a offensive plan since he came here
It’s always been to run the ball, control the clock when you are ahead, and when you are behind let Jake chuck it down field.
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Only problem was we started chucking it when we weren't even behind
Which brings me to………“Fire Davidson!”
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 3, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ever year, I think I become a bigger fan than the year before...
Which is saying a lot.. One time, when I was younger, I broke up with my girlfriend of the time because she kept calling me while I was watching a Panthers game. She then proceeded to call football & the Panthers stupid. I then proceeded to cease communications.
Always been a big thing of mine… Just don’t interrupt me for a few hours on Sunday, that’s all I’ve ever asked… haha..
With that said, I feel more anticipation for this coming season than any before.. Perhaps it’s just feeling anticipation is greater than remembering anticipation but man I can’t wait. It’s going to be such a long off season.
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+10000000000
Why can’t they get that? 3hrs 1 day a week forget I exist or join in….simple… I now have a gf that joins in…although she pulls for the other team most of the time
What have you done for me lately?
by Steve785 on Dec 31, 2009 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
next season and last season
okay, as much as we hated on jake this year, and he deserved it, don’t forget last year our defense was giving up over 30 points a game over the final 9, including the playoff game. think about the playoff game for a minute. jake committed a lot of turnovers, and we threw the ball so many more times than we ran. i think we ran the ball 15 times. we should’ve seen it coming, davidson trying to turn us into a passing team. but if the defense could’ve forced a couple turnovers or got some sacks in that game, maybe we could’ve still won.
this year, it was the offense that fell apart. next year, we just need both to work well during the same game. we actually don’t need them to do anything new, and for that reason, we really don’t even need a bunch of new players. we just need the ones we have to execute the gameplan that the coaches scheme. and then we’ll win it all.
With the six turnovers...
The defense could have scored two touchdowns and we still would not have had a shot.
my thoughts
i think if the defense did more, we would have thrown less, and had fewer turnovers. i’m thinking if we got some stops in the first half, we would’ve run the ball more. it was a perfect time for jake to have one of those games where he only throws the ball 17 times.
by usana_gaines on Dec 31, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Passing alot late is a typical Fox-Delhomme move
Whenever Fox is behind late he’s relied on Jake to bomb Smith and Moose down field. Going back to the 4th quarter shootout with Brady in the Superbowl… More recently in 2008 in games like Green Bay and New Orleans, it was Jake taking shots down field late that won the games.
However in 2009 when the exact same thing happens, but it doesn’t work, it’s all Davidson’s fault? I DON’T think Davidson is a good OC, but I cannot blame him solely for something that I’ve seen be a staple of this team for the past 6 years.
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philosophy
if he’s calling the same plays with the same philosophy as when jake was playing, and now we’re winning with 6 td passes in the last two games, then maybe davidson wasn’t as much to blame as we initially thought. however, there were times when he should’ve clearly seen jake couldn’t get it done and we were averaging 6 YPC on the ground, and he should’ve made adjustments to that.
I agree, but that doesn't necessarily point the finger at Davidson
It seems simple enough to just rely on the running game. But that’s so unconventional, when teams are loading the box to not take some shots down field. I for one just don’t think you can win more than a couple games with a one dimensional offense.
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Panther should have won. Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, and New York
I would add the Saints game too…didn’t we have an unblemished record away to NO in recent years…plus a 14 point lead…that one hurt
I should have been celebrating in Ecuador last night
Con los Años Viejos! But our trip got delayed a few weeks :(
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Panthers a force to fear next year
Our team in the carolina panthers really had to deal with tons this year starting out with the injury of MK. We always had a problem withmistakes at the wrong time. Just look at the Bills game when we were coming on and a muffed punt cost us the game or in the patriots game when we got roughing the punter. mabye even in new york where we were running the ball great and Jake undershoots Steve and hits his foot for a touchdown. With a win this week, the only real difference between this year and last years teams is the AFC play. In this we had to play KC Okland SD and Denver, Neither team was very good. We had very few quality wins against good opponents. We lost to the 1 seed the 3 seed almost to the 4 seed lost last matchup with the 5th seed and didn’t play the sixth seed, while the Afc team that we beat that made the playoffs had a 50% record. This year we go so close to beating the one seed, still have a chancce beat the vikes and cards both in the playoffs, lost to the eagles and cowboys because of turnovrs and DNP the eagles. We also kicked the giants out who were seen as the heavy favorite after beating the redskins. I really think that our team last year was not as good as we really thought it was and our year this year really is not a bad a people think it is. I hope that next year we really have a good team that we can dominate with in matt more.
GREAT POST!
I would’ve mention Charles Godfrey he’s been playing very well now that he has competition I think we should have a rotation at FS ball hawk and hitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by chinchillas sword on Jan 1, 2010 5:44 AM EST reply actions
Did you mean Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, and New Orleans?
Because I thought I saw us put 41 on NYG.
By no means do I want to let Jeff Davidson off the hook. I think he’ll never be more than average among OCs. But we can’t blame him for everything, when we do not know how much was Fox’s and Delhomme’s fault. Running on 3rd and long… typical Fox. Struggling early in the season, and rallying late… typical Fox. Relying too much on a struggling veteran (Jake) because he’s played well in the past (even though you have better options)… typical Fox. I remember the exact same frustration with Stephen Davis during his last year in Carolina.
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Nope! I meant New York!
….Jets
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Wow. I completely forgot about that game.
I think at that stage my bitter mind was rejecting all bad memories.
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The difference with Davis was..
The lack of a half decent running back behind him.
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Back then most of us thought Foster had a lot of potential
In 2003 he averaged 4+ ypc in 11 games, 4.7 through the playoffs. And he had that highlight 33 yard TD in the Superbowl. We were screaming for Fox to start Foster in 2005, when Davis was averaging a lousy 3 ypc.
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I never really cared for Foster but I suppose that was just me.
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Well, when your starter averages 3 ypc
You’ll take about anybody
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True..
Though, to be honest, I was pretty much to Davis what MP is to Delhomme.
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Davis was a good power back
But he was getting older, and never recovered after that 2004 injury
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You are absolutely correct sir..
It just took me a few years (and a DeAngelo Williams) to stomach that fact. lol
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Williams out performed Foster every year he was his backup
In 2007 the same O-line that Foster could only muster up 3.5 ypc, allowed DeAngelo 5 ypc. Of course DeAngelo did seriously boosted his with some long runs.
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give foster credit
foster was a good back, and could’ve been the #1 for most teams while he was backing up davis. he was no superstar, but he was a good back. but when he broke his ankle in the playoff game, you could tell afterward that he lost speed, and the ability to make some the cuts he used to. you know, if you’re a good-sized speed back who suddenly loses some speed, you are not automatically a power back. we tried that with foster. that also happened with deuce mcallister and corey dillon.
"Struggling early in the season, and rallying late… typical Fox."
I can’t say that’s a fault (maybe you didn’t mean it as such?)
Better that than being the HC of a team like the Giants or Broncos, who start out great and then fritter away their advantage with poor play towards the end. At least the finish the Panthers are putting on shows that Fox hasn’t lost the team, or his ability to motivate them.
I didn't mean it as a fault at all
My point was just that there are many Fox-like characteristics on this offense. And because of that I’m not sure I want to throw all the blame on Davidson.
The way many players have come out in support of Fox lately… I’d say there’s no way he’s lost the team.
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dont give the giants any credit for starting 5-0
their true colours showed when they werent playing awful teams
by jojoisthemann on Jan 2, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting Delhomme INT fact
Prior to the 2008 bye week, Jake only had one game with over 3 INTs… 2004 @ Philly. And only 4 games with 3 INTs. That’s in a span of 5.5 years.
Since the bye week in 2008 he’s had 3 or more INTs in 5 games, and 4 or more in 4 games! Meaning in about a years time he’s had more INT prone games then in his entire career.
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My point being
That Jake aint what he use to be! I remember him always getting antsy when under a lot of pressure. But now, whether the 2007 surgery, a mental meltdown, or just age… his accuracy is off, which is turning that antsy-ness into poorly thrown balls.
I really hope Jake and Fox will be honest with each other about this in the off season.
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Jake, please retire. Hurney please buy him out.
Else, we’ll just need to call up Rodney Peete, because Fox is loyal to OLD veterans, and he’s the only one Jake can be replaced with.
Here are" four games I believe that the Panther should have won. Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, and New York."
Definitely agree on the Dallas & Buffalo games, but not so sure about Miami and the Jets. If we bring our best game I agree we win, but I think some credit has to go to the Dolphins & Jets in those games…I thought they got the best of us or at least stalemated us at the line of scrimmage.
Fox's loyalty to veterans.
OK, anyone, please list more, but here’s my list of veterans who have stayed too long because of Fox’s loyalty because they brought “veteran leadership” to the team. At some point (like, when these guys get consistently beat all the dang time) that argument loses it’s strength.
Here’s my list of past-prime-but-still-kept veterans, and some just around the coroner, uh sorry, corner…
- Rodney Peete (Jake’s backup thru 2004)
- Dan Morgan
- Mike Minter
- Mike Rucker
- Moose is almost there. (It’s time. Retire, don’t pull a Brett Favre)
- Hoover is almost there. (“Ouch my back”)
- Kemo? maybe
- Diggs? maybe
Veteran leadership is a great rationale, but this is a hard game. If you want to keep that leadership, create three jobs for three guys each year – call the “coach apprentices” if you want to be loyal, put these guys there. But honestly once the game has worn down the body, it’s time for the real job like the rest of us.
Ok. Time out.
Let me run through these players right fast, quite a few of them I disagree with.
Rodney Peete didn’t deserve to start anywhere. How this guy lasted so long in the NFL is an absolute mystery to me. Everywhere he’s gone he’s been a failure. He’ll have good games every now and then, but he was incredible inconsistent. No idea why teams kept taking a chance on him. You can’t really blame that on John Fox though. He lasted 2 quarters into the first game of the John Fox era before he gave him the boot for Jake Delhomme, leading us to the Super Bowl.
Dan Morgan, he deserved to be kept. Made the Pro-Bowl in spite of missing 4 games in 04. The thing with him is that you kept imagining how good he could be if he could keep healthy and play for a full 16 games. And he was young too! Even today, he’s only in his early 30’s. He could play if he wanted to. He’s just incredibly prone to injuries. So, where do you draw the line and say “Sorry Dan Morgan. You’re a great player, but we can’t keep you if you get hurt every year.” That’s a hard decision to make, especially when Dan Morgan wants to play and he has the sympathy of the whole organization.
Mike Minter? He was indispensable in the 03 run to the Super Bowl. He more than deserved his spot. Do remember, before we retired we had no one to serve as a replacement behind him. So we traded for our own Chris Harris, and that worked out pretty wonderfully, but you have to admit that was a last second plan that happened to work out. If Mike wanted to play for 2-3 more years, I wouldn’t mind. Just as long as Chris Harris was still available to come to us :D
Mike Rucker I’ll mostly agree with. If anything, he should have at least been put into a DE rotation to give the guys under him some experience. His play had a large dropoff after Kris Jenkins left and he started to get older. For his credit though, he had a pretty good last season. Three passes defended, two fumble recoveries, and 35 tackles. Truly not a bad season for the closing curtain.
Moose? He’s tough to judge. For the entire year, he’s dealt with a QB that has been absolutely pathetic, so his statistics have suffered. He’s a possession type receiver that can still cut well enough to put some distance between his CB, and he’s intelligent enough to get open in zone defenses. For him, I believe that he can be effective as a 3rd receiver. The Panthers need to make a move in the offseason to find a 2nd receiver, but Moose can still be effective against 3rd string corners.
Hoover’s still a good blocker. Other than a couple of miss assignments this year that have led to big consequences, he’s still a major tool of our running game, the hard worker doing the dirty work behind the scenes. He’s getting progressively slower though, so we need to start looking for a replacement. Sutton looked pretty good filling in for him, and Tony Fiametta could serve as a duel threat receiver and fullback if he puts his mind to it. We need to prepare for his eventual retirement.
Kemo just needs to get healthy and in shape. He was out of shape when he came to training camp last year. We need all the DT’s we can get a hold on next year. However, Kemo should be in a rotation. Anything lower than that would be John Fox loving on his veterans.
You may be spot on Diggs. After Anderson and Conner both impressed during the Pre-Season, they earned at least a rotation. For John Fox to make Diggs an every down player does support his loyalty to veterans. I’d rather see a rotation of Diggs and Anderson, with Dan Conner being trained at all 3 linebacker positions to take over if one of them goes down.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I'll give you only the first 2
Minter didn’t have anyone behind him, and Rucker still hasn’t been replaced. They’ve tried to replace Moose with Carter, Colbert and Jarrett… It’s a good thing he’s still been around. Hoover’s been playing great, Diggs probably won’t be around long. And Kemos only around because he’s really really fat.
These players have been around out of necessity. But why isn’t Jake on this list?
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Sorry - Jake was where I was headed with this
Loyalty to Jake will sink this team. God bless ‘im, Jake’s a great guy, but he has melted down as a QB.
Revshawn –
- my point it Minter was great in 03 and 04, not so much later.
- Fox ran the offense with Rodney Peete and others in 2002. Kept him until David Carr. A long time. Too long.
- Morgan was another “great guy”, but the concussions added up. Everyone knew it. We kept him a year too long.
James -
- DeShaun’s another one. Yeah, he was great in ‘03, sure. A few less injuries, he would have been fine. But once D-Will came, that veteran loyalty thing was an albatross, and everyone knows it.
- Dan Morgan – man he (Fox) gave up on Morgan after about the 3rd deal. Look it up. They (team management) all were telling him we’re not gonna play you until you die, man. Then the dude signs with New Orleans. Nut.
- Hangartner was lost due to Julius Pepper’s high cap number.
- Salley has been always injured or not quite lived up to his hype. (Did he even have hype?)
- Fiametta – yes – valid.
- Don’t forget Keyshawn the mouth. And Keary Colbert had an excellent Rookie year. Check. Funny all 3 “losers” were from USC. Keyshawn was good, but lost his desire. Started blaming Jake before Jake got bad. Locker room pariah.
Now, Jake is bad. (Sorry Jake, I love ya) And he needs to sign out. But Fox’s loyalty will sink the team in the 1st Qtr of 2010 unless Jake proves differently. Jake needs to look like Tom Brady now to redeem.
Barbados... a team has to remain loyal to contracts.
You can’t just cut every player and take a cap hit… it’s not possible, the money doesn’t work.
- He gave up on DeShaun Foster and turned the keys over to DeAngelo
- He gave up on Dan Morgan rather than them offering him one last deal
- He made Godfrey the starting FS over Nate Salley
- He let Jeff Hangartner go and started Ryan Kalil at center
- He drafted Tony Fiametta, a clear indicate he knows Hoover is on his last legs.
- He drafted both Keary Colbert and Dwayne Jarrett to fill Moose’s shoes, and both are busts.
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james...are you actually australian?
lol
by jojoisthemann on Jan 2, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes I am
Sydney born, Sydney raised.
Moved here 6 years ago.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
awesome
so you think that hauritz has to be dropped from the australian test side? lol
i apologize for that not being an nfl question
by jojoisthemann on Jan 2, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dropped?
Unless there’s something that happened I haven’t heard about yet he’s been a beast recently.
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special teams
i started being a proper fan at the beginning of the 2008 season and i have never seen the panthers return a punt or kickoff for a td when was the last time that the panthers had a special teams td? and why do you think this is?
Don't know the answers to your questions but..
I’ll tell you this. Our team, with our run game alone would be downright scary with a good return game that could give us a few short fields per game to work with.
We scored one in last season's finale
Landon Johnson stripped the KR and Wesley scooped and scored. Our last kick return was Smart in 03, Williams had one against Miami in the 06 preseason.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 3, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
hell of a long time
even cleveland do it on a regular basis tampa bay as well
by jojoisthemann on Jan 3, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
7th round pick for Trindon Holliday..
It’s risky but I swear I believe it’d pay off!
Just imagine the little guy getting lost behind the tackles only to blow by at ridiculous speed. I know it’s just college but watch his highlights on YouTube.. Quite often does he fly guys that are in ‘perfect position’ to smash him.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
that is a nice ability
The thing is he’s the fastest guy by far in ALL of his games. He won’t be when he plays in the NFL, so it all depends on how he can adjust.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
New York Giants Tickets
It will be great to watch New York Giants, i have bought tickets from
http://ticketfront.com/event/New_York_Giants-tickets looking forward to it.

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