Double Trouble could make history next week
by bigdavis on Dec 28, 2009 12:26 AM EST
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PrintBy now everybody probably knows that DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart have joined some select company.
There have only been 5 pairs of teammates to have each exceeded 1000 yards in a single season.
The first, in 1972, were Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris of the Dolphins, gaining a combined 2,117 yards. Then came Franco Harris and Rocky Bleier of the '65 Steelers, with 2,164. After that, Kevin Mack and Ernest Byner tallied 2,106 for the '85 Browns, Warrick Dunn and Michael Vick, with 2,179 for the '06 Falcons, and last year, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward totaled 2,114 for the Giants.
With DeAngelo Williams out the last two games, but with 1,117 already attained, and Jonathan Stewart vaulting to 1,008, after tonight's franchise record game, the two only need 65 yards combined (or from JStew, if Williams has to sit again) in next week's finale against the Saints, to hold the record for most total yards by a pair of teammates.
Now I know there's been a lot of talk on the blog about who should we trade, in order to get a top-ranked WR#2, the thinking being, "Why have one sitting on the bench, when we desperately need another passing threat?" I for one hope this never happens, as our pair of RBs are the scourge -- and the envy -- of the league. If there was a hint of friction between the two, as to who was getting the more carries, I could see it, but these two are like a two-man band of brothers, and demonstrate only joy for the other's successes.
We have a rare pair of assets here, and shouldn't mess with a good thing. Remember, one spells the other when they're both healthy, and prolong each career that way -- plus, as we've seen this month, when one sits due to injury, we've got no falloff when the other takes the bulk of the carries. It's the best of both worlds.
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Exactly!
Well put, BigDavis! I’ve gave hypothetical “if you had to” answers but I seriously don’t want to see either of these guys go anywhere..
I don’t much anymore even think our ailing receiving corps is even the problem. The problem was the guy throwing the ball. In 6 games played, Moore has averaged 148 yards per game, 7 TD’s and 2 INT’s.. that includes Week 1 and Week 8 when he combined for 6 of 12 for 63 yards.. In 4 games started, Moore has averaged 207 yards per game, 7 TD’s and 1 INT. His rating for the season is currently a 98.9.
Most interesting fact? He’s doing it with the same receivers Jake had in his 11 starts, averaging 183 yards per game, 8 TD’s and 18 INT’s. Delhomme’s rating for the season, 59.4.
The receivers didn’t change, the QB did. If our receivers catching 200 yards worth of balls per game combined with Double Trouble isn’t enough to win games, or at least be competitive, I think we need look elsewhere for changes before we consider bringing in another WR.
I’d go for drafting a rookie WR because that’s an investment in the future, or even signing a FA, but if it involves trading either of our backs – I just talked myself out of it. (I had previously agreed that a Williams/Fitzgerald trade would be nice but after researching these numbers, I’m feeling a change of heart.)
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Another thought..
I wonder if this will even be noticed? Little on talked about on TV? Lord knows if Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson were involved it’d be all over sports shows and the pre-game show.
I bet we don’t even get a mention for having a legit shot at breaking & making history.
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Did the defense change?
They certainly weren’t doing Delhomme any favors, with so few turnovers forced early in the season. It’s certainly easier to win when the other team can’t move the ball and you get to go to (and/or stick with) the ground and pound in the second and third quarter.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
If you're implying we had short fields to score from, I differ
In the Minny game, Moore led the team on TD drives 4 times, taking from 7-15 plays each — these were for 71, 80, 77, ans 49 yards. No defense involved there.
In the NYG game, Moore led the Panthers on drives of 61 yds and 63 yds (FGs), and on TD drives of 63, 51, 71, and 64 yards. Only once, for another TD, was there a short field.
These drives weren’t coming when Jake was at the helm, when our defense constantly had to fight back from the turnovers that Jake was giving the opposition. Instead, drives were constantly being aborted, rather than culminating in scores for our side.
I didn't say that at all.
I’m saying that we were able to stick to our preferred game plan longer and better. I’m sure this will just be some contrived thing I’m making up, but the game situation and playcalling has allowed Moore to keep his PAs low. That’s a product of the fact that he’s played well early in the game, yes (I was really sad I wasn’t in the live thread to give him props for the beautiful throw that he made to Moose on the TD, offensive push-off notwithstanding), but also that the defense allowed the O to keep building on the lead, not go for shootouts. When Moore’s hit the dreaded 30 pass mark, he’s at 50% (losing at NE with 30, winning against Minny with 33), but he’s 2-2 below that (20 throws each against NY and TB. Delhomme was 2-1 when he made as few as 20 throws this season (L vs. Philly in a game that was a disaster in far more areas than QB play, Ws vs.TB and ARI), and was a respectable 4-3 (remember, 9-7 is likely to get an NFC team into the playoffs this year) when he got to throw 33 times or less (add wins vs. WAS and ATL and losses against DAL and NO.) So maybe this goes back to my assertions about how “dumbed down” the playbook has been against Moore. Maybe it’s not that they’re fine-tuning the playbook for Moore, specifically, but they’re able to stick with what the Panthers want to do (Foxball) because of game situations.
In short, I understand that the turnovers by Delhomme hurt this team badly (although I don’t really like the blanket statements against him as though every one of them was exclusively his fault when teammates have specifically stepped up to take the blame for more than one of them, including a pair of pick-sixes that totally changed winnable games.) However, had the defense been playing as well as they are right now, I think Delhomme could have been put in better positions to succeed. By the same token, had Moore been thrown into the fire against, say, Philly, when the pocket just plain didn’t exist and the defense couldn’t stop anything the Eagles were doing, I don’t think he would have looked nearly as good.
P.S.: I know it’s your new pet project to get me banned, but are you willing to admit this is a “well-reasoned” post worthy of your gracious spendor? Or do you think Jaxon will claim it’s just me trying to be a contrarian? Given that my intent is never to “add anything to the blog,” I guess it’s entirely possible.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ha.
So that’s it? No response at all? It’s no fun when people just agree with a point they’ve been arguing for weeks.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
What do you want me to reply to?
I accepted your reasoning — which in itself is a surprise to me.
It’s not about “fun” — it’s about discussing the Panthers. But that comment shows where you’re coming from, as an agitator.
Ha.
And your accusatory comment serves to do what?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Objection, your honor!
Counsel is trying to lead the witness.
So you are both lawyers?
That explains a lot! ;)
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No kidding!
I was thinking about being a lawyer, but it’s obvious you two don’t have any fun except jocking each other on here. ;)
Only kidding! :)
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 29, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Actually a well reasoned response MP
In particular the second paragraph about pocket protection.
So would have praised Matt Moore on the TD to Moose? Hmmm…not sure I buy that one…but I will hold out hope
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It was a little push off...not a big one
and that’s on Moose anyway. No impact on the throw, which seemed effortless by the way. When he let it loose I thought it was way short but it was on target
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I never thought it was short - he led him perfectly
At the moment that Moore lets it go, Moose is on the 17 yd line; he takes it in at the goal line. Couldn’t have been thrown any better.
How?
The pushoff had nothing to do with Moore. It just goes to show that there are several working parts to any pass play. Moore only got the great throw off because he got good protection, but even those steps would have been nothing without Muhammad getting open (via, IMO, a pretty questionably legal move.)
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
That could be flip flopped
Did Delhomme do the Defense any favors with those turnovers early this season?
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It certainly goes both ways, you're exactly right.
You’ll note I acknowledged that below. All I’m trying to do is make the point that Delhomme is, at least to my mind’s eye, not done as a solid starting QB in the NFL. In short, I just want people not to lose their shit if he’s brought back to camp next year and allowed to compete for—and, potentially, win—the starting job. It’s not good for the team, its players, or anybody else, and it makes us look bad. The performance in Week 1 this year was bad, but do we really want to be the kind of fanbase that boos a 12-4 division winner off the field after a single game? I don’t think that we’re there. The team hasn’t been consistently bad enough to draw that kind of ire, nor has it achieved consistently enough that we should expect dominance every game, every year. I’m accused of rooting against this team, but I’ve followed them intently from Week one through now and believed in them. There were plenty of people (although not many here) who gave up by the bye. I find that pretty ridiculous.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with almost all of those points.
I may not want him to start anymore but I do still like Delhomme and would root for the team even if he was the starter next year despite what Moore is being shown. And yeah I don’t feel the need to tear him apart after one game, I am basing my talks off of the majority of the games that I have seen this year with him as the starter. I do still have some faith in him as a high end backup/short term starter though. And yes there are some fickle fans but hey check out the Lions fanbabse. Not sure why after so many losing years but they still have fans :P. Guess that’s what separates a fair weather fan from a true fan IMO.
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I do think Jake should compete for the job
and he might win it. I wouldn’t be one to freak out on that…but would hope he gets yanked if he starts throwing up ducks again.
My biggest kudo to Moore has to be knowing when to throw the ball away. He only took one sack but made good decisions when under pressure
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That's what I want to see MP!
Nice post, and I agree completely. If Jake wins the job, give it to him, but he is going to have to be better than he ever has to beat out Moore, provided Moore keeps up his play. No, I don’t expect 3 TD’s a game, but I do expect Moore to continue with his good decisions and nice throws. Delhomme would easily be the top backup in the league, and I wouldn’t sweat a bit with him coming in and starting a few.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 29, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
excellent point MP
Our defense wasn’t generating a lot of stops and turnovers earlier in the season.
by boywonderncsu on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
wow
What have you done for me lately?
by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 1:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
wow
I didn’t know about this. I’m stoked
What have you done for me lately?
by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 1:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I couldn't agree more bigdavis
Let’s pay them both to stay in Carolina. You don;t break up something like this, which is exactly what Furney was hoping for when they drafted Stewart.
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As long as they're both happy sharing the load...
then the Big Cat should be happy in paying them both prime dollars to stay here. We have a death sentence on opposing defenses at RB, all we need now is Moore to continue playing the way he has, and give him one more burner at WR and a slot guy, and we have a force to be reckoned with on offense.
Do you guys not realize there's a salary cap?
It’s not just about willingness to pay them. We were willing to pay Peppers $16 million with an $18 million cap hit, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t hurt the team in plenty of other areas (see: our awful depth at positions like WR and DT and our terrible performances on ST.)
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Salary Cap blah blah blah
Next year is uncapped, enough about the cap. Get a new argument, ANTI…i mean MP.
I do wonder
Could the Panthers survive a bidding war for a receiver like…Anquan Boldin?
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sadly, I'd love to see a trade though. Not one our two star RBs though
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Send them a package of players
Their TE’s are pedestrian, their OL is below average, they need a LB, and they need a DB — we have plenty of all to spare. How bout Jeff King, Landon Johnson/Na’il Diggs/Mortty Ivy, Duke Robinson, and/or C.J.Wilson/Quinton Teal — plus a draft choice and a modicum of cash?
http://www.profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=1&stype=a&stats=o
:P
We’d be just like the Yankees! I think
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like that doesn't work.
First, King, Johnson, Ivy, Wilson, and Teal are FAs of one sort or another. Second, most teams don’t get themselves in the habit of trading Pro Bowl-caliber players for other teams’ scrubs. The relative impact of the big package doesn’t really count, as—even if they are collectively as productive as the star—those players take up far more of the roster to make that impact. Unless you’ve got a player who’s being a problem either in terms of attitude or contract status or both (see Edwards, Braylon), those kinds of deals just don’t happen. Further, I don’t see a single player in that group who’d step in and be a big upgrade for the Cards. Though King would step into the starting lineup, I don’t know that an upgrade from below-average TE play to simply average TE play is worth giving up a guy who’s probably the best player at his position in the league. Since they play a 3-4, I don’t even see any of those LBs being able to win a starting job.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You're probably right...
but I was just tossing those names out there as cannon fodder, so to speak — the names could change. But we have excess capacity in areas of need to the Cards, and if they were interested in moving Boldin for the right package, I’d prefer dealing a LOT of Panthers before I’d ever think of breaking up the best 1-2 RB tandem the league may have ever seen (barring injury in the future, they have an unprecedented upside, and they WANT to play alongside each other, not hog the snaps by getting the other traded — an aside here: I read that DeAngelo was counting down the # of yds Stewart needed to reach 1,000 and keeping him advised — that’s brotherhood!)
They have holes in their roster — if we could offer 3 players that would be upgrade what they’ve got in those spots, wouldn’t they consider it? I’m even discussing this because I feel if we had Boldin, there’d be no stopping us. (or a similar established #2 receiver — I agree with you that going through the draft process again takes too long, and is rarely successful.)
Well of course you'd prefer making that deal.
So would every team in the league. Think about it. Boldin is, what, a top-10 player on any roster in the league? Top-5? That player (whether it’s Boldin or anybody else) is very difficult to replace, whereas players in spots 35-53 (where the players you mention pretty much rank to a man, with the exception of maybe King and Diggs, who are still probably no better than top-20 or 25) are eminently replaceable with mid- or low-round draft picks, undrafted FAs, or cheap veteran FAs. In fact, look at how we acquired that group of players to see my point:
King: 5th round, resigned on low RFA tender with no offer sheet signed
Johnson: low second-tier/high third-tier FA who netted the Bengals just a 6th-round compensatory pick
Diggs: third-tier FA who has been retained for several years at a very low salary with no outside interest
Ivy: UFA
Robinson: 5th round
Wilson: 7th round
Teal: UFA
Arizona’s not going to just trade a #1-caliber receiver unless they get equal value, and that’s probably someone like Stewart or Williams, who would immediately become a top-10 player on their roster. However, with the investment they have in Wells and Hightower (and Wells’ improvement throughout his rookie year), it’s probably unlikely they’d want to do such a move.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm
Jake is still better than John Elway and Deshaun Foster is a modern Barry Sanders who we let slip from our grasp?
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Please point out where I made either of those statements.
Kthx.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You didn't
I dramatized and am just having a bit of fun.
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Unless the franchise plans to fold after the 2010 season...
We should not change the entirety of the way we evaluate the payroll and personnel decisions based on the modified rules of a single year. Whenever a new CBA deal is struck, it will include a hard cap. The owners wouldn’t have it any other way, and surely the players realize that the cap is what keeps most teams in the league competitive every year and the fans paying their massive salaries.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
you can pay two players prime dollars and stay under the cap
why dont you go crawl away somewhere with your jake jersey and stfu for once?
I think that our best bet would be in the draft
sure we could trade for a good reciever but it think that we need a wes welker or jason witten like person that we could get in the draft. Not someone that is extremely explosive but a person who runs good routes and makes the catch when nessecary
Just letting you know...
Welker was an undrafted FA, and he was on his third team before he produced like a top-two wideout.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on this....
Our running back tandem is indeed the envy of the league and I would hate to see it broken up. IMO this team, in its current state, is really close to making a serious run. I think we have a window of opportunity here, and we just need try to tweak things without major changes. I know this sounds trivial to most, but IMO I think we are just a good return specialist away from being near unstoppable. As shown yesterday, our offense is scary good when given a short field to work with.
I think what goes down with Peppers will dictate how the WR situation is addressed.
I came to Rec this post..
Before realizing I already have…
This post focuses on the history that could be (as a Panther fan I’m going to say will be) broken come Sunday. It’s much more important than our last chance of the season to go .500, beating a rival, or anything else often done.
We Panther fans should be excited at the chance of cementing ourselves in history again, for the second year in a row. (MP’s post shows where we ranked among all time rushing tandems last year, this year we’re on a team effort with 1000+ yards each!)
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I think we should keep both, for sure.
The greatest advantage we have when we have two running backs is for the long term. Jonathan Stewart especially, he’s more a bruiser type/Goal Line running back. He gets the tough yards, while Williams has more big play potential. Throughout his career, he’s going to take a lot of hits. People are going to waylay on him like he’s a Saddam Hussein punching back.
I think, in a way we need Deangelo Williams in order to keep some of the heat off of him. We don’t want to get 6 years down the road and have Stewart wearing out because he’s taking too much of the load in the offense throughout the years. In my own personal philosophy, that has been one of the biggest reasons backs like Clinton Portis and Ladainian Tomlinson have dropped out so quickly in terms of their production. Their body just tapped out.
Next year is going to be a decision year in many ways. If we can sign Julius Peppers to a long term deal or release him, we should definitely start working on a new deal for DeAngelo in order to keep this dominant rushing attack available to us for the long term. If Julius Peppers is Franchised, then it should only be to trade him. Even next year, I still see teams like the Patriots and the Eagles seeking to make a move for him. Julius Peppers gets a boatload of cash, the Panthers get a few draft picks, everyone is happy.
What we cannot do is try to keep one of the best DE’s when he wants to play under control, and in the process lose the best rushing attack in the NFL. That’s silly.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Still...
You can give your starter a blow without needing to pay for a starter-caliber player as his backup. Ahmad Bradshaw’s done really well as an unheralded guy out of a smaller school at a low salary.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 2, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
But just imagine the type of rushing attack this gives us?
Heck you don’t even have to imagine it, watch a replay of the Tampa Bay game last season. We are unstoppable.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 3, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
And we've done it with two players on rookie deals.
You don’t have to pay for both of them on the FA market.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 3, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
That type of rushing is well worth paying Williams big money
We’ll deal with Stewart when his deal expires.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 4, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
So you're ok with letting a potentially superior talent go because you were impatient?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 4, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to pay a special talent big money to stay right now
And I’m confident we can find space to sign Stewart, whether it be the tag or an extension, when the time comes. Those two are our identity on offense, it’s worth paying them big money to stay. Ask the Colts if Manning is worth his 100 million.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
I can’t speak for anyone else but I’ve never considered Delhomme an elite QB and thus have been crying for a decent running back since Davis had that leg injury. As of last year we have two great backs. As of this year, we have two top 10 backs. (ProFootballFocus ranks Stewart #5 and Williams #9 in terms of running, week 17 not yet included)
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But you'll never be able to allow either to reach their full potential if they're both on the roster.
Why pay them for more than they can reasonably produce given their situation?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 5, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with..
Setting records.
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But you do have a good point.
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The thing is...
Somebody is going to offer them the contract of the 1500-yd, 15-TD (or more) backs they both could be as the lead horse on a team. But they don’t have the ability to get those kinds of numbers when they’re taking carries from each other. So I don’t think we can pay for that.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Manning is a single player.
Paying him $100 mil is one thing, but they’re not paying a guy $50 mil to be his backup.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
RB is a completely different monster than QB
First of all the backup gets plenty of work. Secondly our running backs are our Peyton Manning. Without them, we aren’t any better than the Colts are without Manning. Plus, we’re paying for TWO players, that actually saves more money than paying for a franchise QB. If we get both of them the carries, or work in some packages where both are on the field, kind of like the Saints with Bush and Mcalister, they are on an even par with Manning.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 6, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
The trend in the NFL now is "2-headed monsters" at RB
Several teams have 3 RBs they alternate. It’s evident to all GMs that the position has a short life span, and to extend a good RBs career (and therefore his production for his team) it makes good sense to not use him up in 1 or 2 seasons of 30 carries a game.
If those types of workhorses manage to avoid injury, they get burnt out fast.
I see us as having the envy of all other teams, and we should do everything possible to keep it. What we have in our favor is that both Williams and Stewart love the system and obviously pull for the other, rather than take the prima donna attitude that “I’m not getting enough reps!” Hell, they’re the two most joyous players on the team, always celebrating the other’s success.
Nobody platoons QB’s — the comparison to Manning is irrelevant.
+1
“You never know what you have until it’s gone.”
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Yeah, ask the Giants how much they missed that stud Derrick Ward.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 6, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Because, of course, the Giants are the only team in the NFL to have ever let a player go.
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Sorry, I somehow thought it was relevant.
It was a top rushing team that lost a key cog to their unit and had his replacement step up and play well. Seems like we could see that scenario.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose that could be said.. I don’t disagree with you though I cannot agree either being last season Jacobs and Ward both broke 1k, whereas neither Jacobs nor Bradshaw was able to break 1k yards this season. They rushed roughly 60 times less this season than last while Bradshaw seen 67 himself last year. Bradshaw stepped up but was only one wrong step away from injury for a good portion of the season.
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I'm not certain why you think anybody would get 30 carries a game.
In the NFL’s all-time record for carries, Larry Johnson only averaged 26 a game, and he only hit 30 carries six times in sixteen games.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 6, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's irrelevant for the platoon part
The pay part however is relevant. The Colts pay 100 million to Manning, and they would say it’s worth it. We will have to pay maybe two thirds of that maximum, and still get the same effect for two players.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 7, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how it saves money.
They’ll both get top deals on the FA market, which means $6+ mil a year. Is their production really that much better for $12 million than one of them at $6 and a solid vet with some success or a high mid-round draft pick that’ll cost $3 mil or less? And there’s another problem with your scenario: Bush basically has a wideout’s skillset, which makes it immeasurably easier for him to contribute as anything other than an HB, which I’d see Stewart or Wiliams struggling to do. As I said elsewhere, why pay for their individual ability to get to 1500 yards and 15 TDs when we know it’s ridiculously unlikely for them to combine for 3000 and 30?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 6, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just a quick example off the top of my head
Line Williams and Stewart up in the Pro Set. Based on the defense called, i.e, where the linebackers line up, snap the ball and hand it to Stewart on a stretch play or a blast, then fake it to Williams. Or fake it to Stewart and hand it to Williams coming across on a stretch. That way both can contribute on the field.
Oh yeah, and when the Giants let Ward go, they had an explosive, semi-proven guy in Ahmad Bradshaw on the bench. We have an explosive guy who’s not proven, and a proven guy who’s not explosive behind Double Trouble.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
2250..
And the Panthers make history.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
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