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Panthers Spank Giants 41-9 to Close out Giants Stadium

I couldn't have scripted this game any better. Where to start? How about the QB? Matt Moore came out slinging it and it really messed up the Giants defensive game plan. Moore hit 15 of 20 passes for only 171 yards but most importantly 3 TDs. RB Jonathan Stewart had another career day as he just ripped the Giants run defense. Whether it was between the tackles or on the edges the Giants had no answer for the powerful Stewart.  

The defense continued its good play again by creating turnovers and limiting the big plays after the Giants initial drive. In fact, after the fumble that ended the Giants first drive they did nothing until the 4th quarter. By then the game was out of hand as the Panthers nursed a four score lead.

Let's recap today's Panther heroes:

Star-divide

  • QB Matt Moore finished with 15 of 20 completed for 171 yards and 3 TD. His QB rating of 139.8 is the highest for a Panther QB in recent memory. Moore also showed some good pocket presence and made good decisions to throw the ball away when nothing was there.
  • RB Jonathan Stewart took 28 carries for 206 yards and a TD. He performance will be recorded in Panther lore.
  • WR Steve Smith (5 for 60, TD) may have added to his resume with a TD after taking a big shot to the arm (broken?). He didn't return but played long enough to make a big impact.
  • WR Musin Muhammad chipped in with 3 receptions for 56 yards and a TD
  • FB Brad Hoover got 9 carries for 37 yards and a TD as the Hoover was running over people
  • DE Julius Peppers got an early hit and sack on Manning and added 3 tackles
  • LB Jon Beason had 9 tackles, 4 assists, a sack and a key forced fumble that started the Panther onslaught
  • CB Richard Marshall had 9 tackles and added an INT that was a really nice play on the ball
  • SS Chris Harris had 4 tackles and an INT to seal it in the end

Wow what a game. The Panther played inspired ball from the time the defense forced its first turnover all the way to the end. I still can't believe Stewart put up 200 yards all the while breaking tackles and carrying defenders for extra yardage.
So this performance leaves us with some big questions.

Has HC John Fox done enough to return? I would say yes.

Has Matt Moore done enough to earn the starters job in 2010? I would say he is real close. A 139 QB rating is not luck. The kid played well.

Let's hear from you Panther fans.

Poll
Which Panther earned the game ball in the 41-9 win over the Giants?
Matt Moore
200 votes
Jonathan Stewart
395 votes
Steve Smith
26 votes
Jon Beason
4 votes
Richard Marshall
1 votes

626 votes | Poll has closed

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What a team at the end of the year

Stew-great, Moore-great, Beason-great, Harris-great, I could just keep on going.This team has played like a top contender for the last few games and may carry it on next week. I hope losing Steve Smith will not upset the balance too much. We have been bouncing back from injurues so far, maybe Kenny Moore or who knows will stepup next week so we can finish the year on a high note. I do believe Matt Moore has shown all of us he can compete at this level in the NFL and I hope management sees what we are seeing. It would be criminal for them to inject Delhomme in front of him next year. If Jake gets a spot he needs to earn it from the bottom of the pile.

by Cwilly1 on Dec 27, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

What is Fox's record in December now?

Its a winning record I know which is what you want. I’d rather finish strong with less of a record (say 10 wins) than to get to 13-0 and start to tank.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fox has saved his job with Matt Moore

HE should be inviting him to the new years eve party!

by univonc on Dec 27, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Some people think it's just because the playcalling improved

Meaning Fox should be taking Davidson to party

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I really feel like..

The execution from the whole team has improved with Moore under center, so Davidson might feel a little braver to try new things.. could just be a combination of everything finally working together.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you can't blame the play calling if it was limited due to Jake's performance

Which was the case some of the time

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Reports of game

What really, really, bugs me is the “media” constantly saying the Giants came out flat and had an "off day’.
This is the same they said last Sunday when the Vikings had an “off day”
Seems like I heard that about the Patriots too.
I say they a-l-l had an off day because they met the Panthers defense and a team with a QB who protects the ball.

by ACA Jester on Dec 27, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

+1...exactly

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

great game all around

P.S. – not to nitpick.. but “15 of 200 passes” haha small typo

by vitzeng on Dec 27, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

oops...thanks I missed that

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

the silver lining of this season will be the added depth we have from reserves getting playing time and the defense coming in fully acclimated to Meek’s system. I really hope we can pick up a WR and Fox lets Moore truly have a shot at the starting job. Going with Moore (as oppossed to a FA) carries the benefit of not having to acclimate an outsider to a new offensive scheme. IMO keeping Davidson and giving Moore a shot is our best option at immediate success, Installing a new offense or an outside QB will require an adjustment period which I’m not sure we can afford.

by paydirt16 on Dec 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true

But when do we go in the new direction? I think we will be just fine getting a new OC. Our D is going to be great next season. They have been getting their 3 turnovers a game and I think they will continue to do so. But we have 28 and 34 soo just ran the damn ball and have the qb manage the game. Its not hard to figure out. A new guy can figure that out. Davidson is an idiot. I don’t care if all he needed was a qb he didn’t have 1 and he couldn’t figure that out. We need someone smart that can realize if something works or it doesn’t .

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 3:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's nice to know Moore can hold down the QB position

In all of his starts going back to 2007, he has only improved. He got rookie of the week honors back then. This year he beats one of the best teams in the league and throws 3 TDs in a 40 burger on another. And today his QB rating was among Brady, McNabb… beating out Rivers, Brees and Warner. I think Moore should be the starter until he shows otherwise. Or at minimum until we can groom a rookie for a year or so behind him.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme may still start next year...

because according to Fox and co. he gives us the best chance to win. Besides Jake performs better in practice than Moore. LOL!!!

I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.

by Davejinxer on Dec 27, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Let's hope he is not that stubborn..

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The trolling along these lines is getting old.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 27, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sarcasm....

try to keep up.

I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.

by Davejinxer on Dec 28, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I've had a change of heart and hope Fox can stay another year

BUT ONLY if Jake is NOT the starter. If Fox insists on bringing him back then they should both go.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Twitter from Gantt says it nicely
Stewart’s 206 rushing yards most ever allowed by Giants at Giants Stadium. He closed it down in style. 5 minutes ago from web

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

It's sad, really

Moore is what this team’s needed all season, a consistent QB who doesn’t give away the game, and his reward is to have the rest of the team also play great around him so he doesn’t get the credit he deserves as a result, and then apparently he doesn’t even get the benefit of potentially creating a next-season QB controversy.

Unless Fox means “Delhomme gives us the best chance to win” as in “Pretend he’s the starter & then switch to Moore on gameday to mess up the defense’s ‘Stay 5 yards deeper than every receiver on the field & wait for the easy INTs on the overthrows’ gameplan”…

by old_skool on Dec 27, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

I definitely give the game ball the Moore..

His performance doesn’t sound as spectacular as last week but he played great! As amazing a job Stewart did, having a great game running the ball isn’t something new to this team. At the least, we were expecting a decent game running the ball – and we expected the defense to keep us competitive as they have been doing for some time. So, with that in mind, what I believe we were really unsure of was the passing game and how Moore would perform. He exceeded my expectations and brought the missing piece, completing our powerhouse of a team that has been pretty invisible up until these last few weeks. Considering he is the missing piece, I’d have to give him the ball. Stewart could’ve rushed for more than 200 yards with Delhomme @ QB but we might have lost by 4 interceptions – the QB play was key today.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

+1

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

matt has my vote

Jstew is the man… I gave him the game ball but I thinl we need 2 game balls from now on cu jb deserved it too

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 5:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

stew gets the game ball

Matt has my vote to start next year is what I mean.

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 3:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the team was never really behind jake, after the playoff game last year and then the first game this year,they had no confidence in jake at all and couldn`t get behind him….Mat finally comes out and produces suddenly their world beaters its been obvious all year….will be very interesting how the coach handles the situation next year whoever he is…GO PANTHERS

by wetdog on Dec 27, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

slow down with the world beaters

Btw MP where have you been all day? I was looking forward to some compliments/optimism from you today.

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Today was MP free by design

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

nah thats not what im looking for lol

I’m hopeing he has something positive to say about the panthers after this win.

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's obnoxious at rufus on fire

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

everything i said i meant in a good way…fox should have started matt the same way he should have started deangelo instead of hanging onto deshawn for those years!!! this is optimism at the end of a lost year from bad coaching

by wetdog on Dec 27, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

I voted Stewart

Moore was key but Stewart just put daggers into the Giants D with his running. His TD run up the gut demoralized the Giants.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Looking over the game analysis

It looks like More played really well first, which probably loosened up the defense a lot for Stewart. Either way, it’s really nice to be able to run on 3rd and short, and pass on 3rd and long… and convert both.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't get over the toughness of #89

The man caught the long ball, put his defender on the ground-simultaneously breaking his arm, completed the drive for the TD, and was back on the sidelines in the 4th supporting his teammates…

by John Chilton on Dec 27, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Enough can't be said about that...he acted like it barely phased him

and just trotted back to the bench, arm dangling. Most players would have been rolling on the field. The guy is tough and I am Sooo glad he’s a Panther

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Much of Stewart's big game is due to Moore

Stewart’s longest run in the 1st quarter was for 6 yards. More of the same in the 2nd, except for the nice 29 yard TD. And then he really got it going in the 2nd half.

However that’s because Moore complete 5 of 6 3rd downs in the 1st half! AND had 2 TDs in the 1st half. That kind of offensive threat from the QB position really makes things easier for your running game.

The guys mobile, he’s making tough throws, AND he’s improving. I have my fingers crossed that he can keep this up.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely!

We know Stewart is extremely talent but talent only goes so far when a ton of other talented guys are trying to smash you into the first. Moore allowed Stewart to terrorize the Giants and picked up the 3rd & longs when they did manage to stop him, only for him to recharge and go at it again.

Imagine, if we had that kind of QB consistency throughout this entire year, what would our rushing stats look like?

Let us remember the kind of stats our backs have produced facing stacked boxes nearly the entire season. When we find a good QB that defenses actually worry about (kind of like Moore has done these past two games, I hope he keeps it up next week), they will likely be discounted by the rest of the world because “we have a good passing attack”.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The 4-0 turnover is huge

Moore is protecting the ball well, he throws it away when he needs to usually. He is moving in the pocket better. The kid is growing up right before our eyes!

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Our TO ratio was -14

Moore has protected the ball well enough to bring it back to +1!

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ummm...

+3 (I think we were -1 going into the game, 4 TO)

by Scrantsj on Dec 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I guessed a little on the +1

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem.

Your point was still correct. :P

by Scrantsj on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The entire team clicked, on offense and defense in this game. Moore had support from Stew, and Stew gave Moore the opportunity to run the play-action. Beautiful gameplan and terrific game to watch for us Carolina fans. Must say, Davidson has now called two games in a row with nice playcalling. Perhaps Delhomme was the problem all along?

Another discussion for another day. Savor the win, and hope Smitty’s arm isn’t to messed up.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 27, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Jaxon…I don’t thinks its right for you to ban MP…yes…he can be a pain in the … but u don’t want to turn one of the best sports blogs on the web into some kind of marxist type thing. He is a negative nelly but he knows a thing or 2 about football…even if we don’t usually agree.

Side Note: Where in the world is Neal? I miss his 2 cents.

by rawjem01 on Dec 27, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

You comment is duly noted rawjem01...

but the editorial staff enjoyed not having to referee the comment thread a couple hours. His membership has now been restored. I don’t plan nor do I enjoy being heavy-handed but it came down to the negative out-weighing the positive.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Lawson is proof that Jaxon has been plenty patient

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes but

I plan on not being a burden anymore

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

so far so good!...;)

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like NYG was blitzing almost every play

They were definitely trying to put the heat on Moore. But Moore handled it great. He got rid of the ball quick letting our backs make plays, he made plays with his feet, threw the ball away, and made good decisions.

I love the way he was patient going deep, and when he did it was usually because he had an open receiver, and placed the ball well.

Did this guy learn anything from Jake?

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 7:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

this is exactly what we needed to see from moore

What will he do when he has constant pressure?…apparently make friggin plays! Big thanks to the O line but moore was awesome at the qb position today. He can start in this league. Question answerd

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 3:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he's earned it, until proven otherwise

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I've thought for a while now

That Matt Moore had a shot to be a starting-caliber NFL QB, and it’s good to see him capitalizing on that. If this is real and he’s going to last at the position, we could be walking into an NFC South in 2010 that features Moore, Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Josh Freeman, and that would be a very cool thing indeed.

Congrats on the win!

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by Dave Choate on Dec 27, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Same to you Dave

I hope you win next week and go 9-7 and getting the back-to-back winning season thing. It also gives the Panthers the #3 div seed, which okay by me…;)

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The #3 Div Seed

means we play the Bears instead of the Packers and the Giants again instead of Eagles or Cowboys. It would be nice as well if the Giants could come to Charlotte for a change…MNF would be epic!

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The Panthers depth is impressive.

So many good backs, backers, & lineman on both sides of the ball — i totally expect Carolina to continue their on again off again seasons and compete for a Super Bowl in 2010!

The priorities in the draft should be to add depth at WR. Secondary, DL, OL, and potentially draft the QB of the future if (and only if) the FO thinks they have the opportunity to do so — not draft an available QB and try to make him onto a great talent that he is NOT.

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

The Panthers have landed some real gems in the late rounds

and it is paying off. Schwartz, Bernadeau, Munnerlyn, Anderson…even a few UDFAs like Hoover, Moore and Sutton.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should trade our 2nd and 3rd for multiple 4-7s?

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that's funny

but the sad part is that it’s probably true. ha

by LittleKing on Dec 27, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we get some love

For Geoff Schwartz? The best thing you can say about an offensive lineman is that you’ll never hear his name and I haven’t heard it once in the two games he has started. We’re running well on the right side, he pass protects better than Otah, and I don’t remember him having any false start penalties. He was a seventh round pick wasn’t he and has more than provided his worth backing up on the right side.

That being said, this was a great win that showed some flashes of the Panthers of old. Moose going deep on a TD pass? Undrafted QB flinging it all over the place? Peppers in the backfield? Are we sure this isn’t ’03? Well except for the whole not going to the playoffs thing

by CDS on Dec 27, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

The o-line is playing well

and Schwartz is a big reason why. I’d love to see some film on him isolated to see how well he’s doing, how he grades out.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

PFF.com has him rated as the best of our o-line players last week against the Vikings. Could Schwartz have put himself in position to be a starter next year if he continues to play well next week?

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember all the complaining about Pep's franchise contract

And how not being able to use that money to get better o-line backups would hurt us. Well that wasn’t the case at all. Turn overs and arguably bad play calling killed the season from the beginning. Most backups have actually played very well.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Look at how we are on the 3rd string Will, James Anderson, and he’s playing lights out. It’s a bittersweet moment to find out how well the backups are doing once our starters got put on IR. I’ve got a new respect for Hurney.

by CDS on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll get a good look at Jarrett and Kenny Moore next week as well.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If Jarrett ever becomes a decent receiver..

It’s going to take tremendous effort from him. He’s going to have to play exceptionally well technically because he just doesn’t have the natural ability some players have. He’s big and pretty slow, he has got to learn to utilize those attributes before he can excel.

Jarrett trying to play like Smith = fail. Jarrett trying to play like a big body receiver = great. I don’t think he has quite realized that yet.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme, Smith & Muhammed

Smith: Let’s all pray his broken arm heals well and quickly. I wore my #89 Panthers hoodie with pride today. R&R: #89. Bottom line.

Muhammed: Like others have suggested, I think Moose would be perfect to remain as the Panthers’ #3 Receiver – a reincarnation of Ricky Proehl, a # 3 WR that opposing teams better not forget about. However, i think the days of Moose being an effective NFL #1 or #2 WR may be in the past.

Delhomme: I love Jake. I think that having Delhomme remain the 2nd or 3rd string QB on the roster – always ready to come in and give it his all when needed – could be a good thing. That said, i hope and pray that Delhomme’s days as the Panthers’ starting QB are numbered.

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

no no no

he’s being paid too much to keep him on as a second stringer, and he’s not a starter anymore, so i think we gotta let him go

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't we pay it anyway?

unless another team picks him up. But who would assume that salary? I was of the attitude that if he is willing to be #2 then who better to come off the bench if we needed him? At least this is what I’m thinking the Panthers will do…

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no

only the bonus is guaranteed, and as next year is an uncapped season it is the perfect time for us to let him go

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That's still a pretty low ball move.

That’s a lot of valuable experience going out the window, or to another team. Raiders?

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutting Jake is too low a move for what he's done for the franchise.

He restructured so we would have cap room… and we should repay him by cutting him?

Not the way to go.

That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if this finger turned into the even that forces him into retirement.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i would still cut him

what has he done for us lately? it’s time for us to part ways

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it's called respect...

You don’t cut a guy a year after he restructures his contract for the team’s benefit. He didn’t have to do that, he chose to so the team could have money for signing draft picks. You can’t expect the front office to cut him after that.

I would much rather see Jake as a $13M #2 QB than see him cut. He’s done too much for the franchise over the years to treat him that way.

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

+

Nailed it.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i would cut him

i could care less about hurt feelings. He absolutely stunk for us this season and cost us a chance for the playoffs. i cant stand him anymore and i dont want him on the roster. ill always love the good stuff he did but hes not that person anymore

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You could care less about hurt feelings?

I’m shocked!

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

True, he has stunk this year...

But he should be retained as the #2 if for nothing else but to be a veteran presence in the locker room. If the team has to pay him $13M either way, it would make more sense to keep him on the roster.

I do believe that Moore should be given the keys for 2010, he has earned the opportunity in the time he has played this year, but I don’t think that Jake should be cast out on the street after all he has done for this franchise.

It’s not necessarily hurt feelings, it’s more of a respect for what the man has given to the team and the fans in the time he has been here.

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he doesnt have to be paid 13 mil either way though

NFL contracts are NOT GUARANTEED. Therefore we can cut him and not pay him anything other than his signing bonus

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

show me this info

otherwise i think you are wrong

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

here ya go...

Here’s the link…

And a snippet of the link…

Thus, the Panthers can release Delhomme prior to next
season and subject themselves to almost $13M of future guaranteed salary. Or they can supersede the contract and pay the same almost $13M guaranteed through signing bonus and guaranteed salary in 2010. Or they can exercise the future option payments and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed (or over $16M guaranteed with the exercise of the second option). Or they can opt not to exercise the options and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed through the non-exercise fees.

The above is a detailed way of saying the Panthers are on the hook for almost $13M guaranteed to Delhomme, a player who will be 35 in January and whose contract they could have let expire at the end of this season with no future obligation.

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a lump sum, however.

Keep in mind that — if Delhomme were released (and I’m not advocating here that that happens) the guaranteed $ he’s due would be spread out over 3 years, as your link showed:

“Predictably, the total guaranteed future salary amount of approximately $12.7M is the exact same amount as the first option. Upon exercise of that option, the future guaranteed salaries become null and void, replaced by far lower salaries that are not guaranteed.

The contract provides for guaranteed salaries in 2010, 2011 and 2012. The guaranteed salary ensures payment to Delhomme even if he’s terminated (his contract, not him).

The guarantees are for skill (not being good enough), injury (having an injury carrying into the next year) or cap (having too high a cap number). The amounts of the guarantees are:

2010: $4.16M
2011: $5.12M
2102: $3.4M

These guarantees serve to protect Delhomme from being released prior to next season, an eventuality that looked nearly impossible to the team a few months ago yet would seem certainly within the realm of possibility now."

by bigdavis on Dec 28, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe..

We can give him a candy bar and he’ll be satisfied. :)

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe...

but probably only if it’s a snickers

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can at least agree...

that we all think that Moore should be the #1 going forward.

but, I just don’t think that cutting Jake would be the best idea — would you rather have Jake as your #2, or would you rather have McCown or Feeley?

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless keeping Jake divides the lockeroom

I mean the guy has a lot of friends, and is the coaches pet. That doesn’t sound good for a team trying to start fresh with a new QB… especially when the new QB struggles!

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The players seem to currently be behind Moore 100%. I mean, after the way Delhomme played this season, how can a player honestly take his side and sleep at night? It’s the NFL and it’s their job, friendship shouldn’t take priority over responsibility.

Now, beyond what should be, you could be right.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm still waiting...

on AL3 to admit that I wasn’t wrong…

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you like..

For me to bring you lunch while you’re waiting tomorrow? lol

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong

i think jake should be cut, but it depends on how the salary cap, CBA talks go, because paying him that much to walk is a lot to ask the big cat. maybe we could trade him to another team, and he agrees to renegotiate his contract. he has always been a high character guy, though, so i think if we keep him as a 2nd stringer, he’ll be very supportive of moore also.

by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore has done nothing but improve this year

But let’s say he has a few bad games next year. And everybodys best friend/QB sitting behind him led the team to a Superbowl and 6 playoff wins. That sounds like lockeroom disturbance potential.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point...

but I think we would have that situation regardless of who is at #2 — though it would probably be worse if Jake is on the bench

by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

amazing...

I prove I’m right and AL3 suddenly “disappears” … nice

by BW Smith on Dec 28, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The “guaranteed” portion of the contract is.. well.. guaranteed… the performance bonuses and other stuff isn’t though.. I don’t know exactly how his contract is laid out, so there’s no telling what we would or would not have to pay.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Respect and not hurting feelings are two different things.

For example, respect is shaking the opposing players hands after the game… Not hurting feelings is muffing a tackle so the other team can score and not feel so bad… The first can happen without the latter.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt Fox would cut him even if it was best for the team

I agree it would be nice for him to have a better farewell experience. Just not so sure it works that way in this league for a non-star player.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If Fox is still at the helm...

Jake will most likely be backup qb. Would you pass on 13 million…I don’t think many would.

I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.

by Davejinxer on Dec 28, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I have heard analysts say that it's better to start anew.

And not let any doubt linger that he is no longer the starter.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldnt we renegociate his contract...

and say give him 6 mil or something to retire..that way we don’t insult him and get what we want..

I’m not good with contracts so bare with me…its just a suggestion

by jay23 on Dec 28, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

he gets paid 13mil next year regardless....

He’s got invaluable experience. Solid backup. Great teacher. I see no down side.

by John Chilton on Dec 27, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If we let him go..

We have to eat a ton of money and end up with less space than we would have if we just kept him around… Unless, of course, there’s no new agreement…

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope we don't try to draft that #2

Because I have no confidence in this staff to draft a WR. That’ll just insure Moose as the #2 again. I hope we can grab a proven FA. Or maybe use DWill or JStew as trade for a play maker… even though everyone thinks I’m nuts. Maybe get a solid #2 and RB hopeful in the trade???

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets get a FA is my preference

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

Trading one of those guys better get us some serious value.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about trading DWill or Stew......

I think it may literally pain me to see either playing for another team.

by John Chilton on Dec 27, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially...

if we have to play against them and then get steamrolled by our own ex-player.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, but consider that JStew and DWill can't both be on the field at once

What would be more effective for an entire game:

Smitty + Moose + (DWill or JStew)

or

Smitty + Boldin + (DWill or JStew with lesser backups)

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

wishfully thinking...

we could keep both and acquire a talent like Boldin

by John Chilton on Dec 27, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not? If Peppers walks we have plenty of cash

to sign D-Will and Davis long term and still get a FA WR

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe..

Peppers resigns to a reasonable long term deal.. and we manage to keep Williams and Davis while still working out a deal with a WR… Is that wishful thinking?

By the way, could we restructure Delhomme’s contract if he is willing? I’m not too familiar with how things such as that work.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 Jaxon

If Carolina have big $$$ to spend from Pep’s departure they will be the most desirable location for potential free agents. Able to offer a good contract, while being a potential contender.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I still wish we could just trade him.

The problem is that Julius might pull his baby act during the off-season again.

Julius can still command a 1st and 3rd rounder if he would agree to a tag and let us ship him off to the Patsies, the Eagles, or someone else along those lines. We can use that on a potential rookie playmaker, possibly along our defensive line or a WR

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Will he really command a 1st and a 3rd? That's alot...

Look at Matt Cassell as the benchmark for what we could get.

The Pats only got a 2nd rounder for Cassell and Vrabel.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, not Cassell

To be honest, I don’t think the market was really that high for Cassell to begin with. There was a lot of talk about him being a product of the system, and that his stats were ballooned by the sheer amount of talent around him.

With Peppers, a potential team may be putting together the final piece for a Super Bowl run, and for that very reason teams will mortgage the house.

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Even then....

I’d still take a 2nd rounder for Peppers. I’d have no problem taking one at all.

We’ll probably get a 3rd for releasing him though, not exactly a huge upgrade.

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So Boldin for Williams straight up? Williams?

Are those feasible deals? I don’t know how a deal involving those players would work.

I would advocate that trade. I’m not sure which back i would want to keep though…

Considering the Panthers ability at scouting and developing good running backs and their inability to do the same for WR’s, making a trade of a star RB for a proven commodity WR makes sense.

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

Boldin is great, but DeAngelo Williams is one of the top 5 RBs in the NFL…. Boldin is not one of the top 5 WRs in the NFL.

It would take Boldin and a high pick for me to entertain it, plus we’d need to get a sweetheart deal on Boldin because he’s had past disciplinary issues

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Boldin..

A bit old? Or am I thinking of someone else?

We’d be trading a younger player for an older player, right? Wait, maybe I’m thinking of Breaston… Ah, one of those players with a B in their name!

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Boldin is 29... which is a factor

Not too old…. but still needs to be considered. Smitty is only a year older.

If Boldin and a 2nd is offered I’d be listening to the deal, if not…. no dice.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought so!

I knew I was only two-thirds crazy.

But you’re right, a 2nd rounder could make up for a few years.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Now when you start talking about Larry for Williams straight up.

That’s when things start to get interesting.

I’d roll with Stewart and Sutton in 2010 any day

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to say..

I’d go for it.

I don’t sweat when I know Stewart is in the backfield.. Heck, I don’t even sweat knowing Sutton is back there.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Smitty and Fitzgerald sounds like a little too much fantasy

Maybe then we could trade the other RB for Drew Brees ad just role with Sutton and Goodson.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Do you not think Arizona would accept?

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The trade makes perfect sense.

Arizona Cardinals need a running back, they rank 27th in running the football. We need an elite wideout to pair up with Steve Smith.

Sure John Fox would have to get mighty drunk for him to work up the groins to do it, but it may very well happen. And Arizona would still have two capable wideouts in Boldin ((Whom they would most certainly keep with a big contract in that situation.)) and Breaston

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'd only part ways with Bolden

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Arizona needs a running back, they just need to actually run the ball.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 27, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

Now that I think about it, I don’t know if I like that idea.

If Arizona had Williams last year, they would’ve probably won the Super Bowl. If they had Williams next year, or the year after, they would have just as good a chance.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if they had to go against a team with Smitty and Fitzgerald ;)

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true!

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if we could send two receivers over 1k yards and have a back run for over 1k? Now that’d be an accomplishment, imo!

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch out Dan Marino

Here comes Matt Moore! Throwing for 6000 yards and 30 touchdowns.

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not too mention Goodson

or whatever other back the team comes up with. Spiller? I wish

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather get Breaston + a pick for DWill

He is only in his 3rd year and could develop into a #1 once Smitty’s gone.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm talking about!

Smitty + Bolden + Moose as #3.
JStew + Sutton as the power backup + Goodson the burner backup

That’s some serious play makers!

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hope..

Goodson excels in his second year… he has been less than pleasing against first stringers. I keep hoping he develops into that double threat receiving back we expected him to be.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he got a fair chance

He was thrown into the fire of a struggling team, and expected to make huge plays. He coughed the ball up a few times as did DeAngelo and Stewart and was then inactive for most the season. Had the guys around him been playing better then maybe things would have gone differently

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually..

Referring more so to todays game than earlier in the season. 2 yards on 5 carries with a long of 4 yards, meanwhile Stewart averaged 7+ yards on the day (I would’ve been happy if Goodson ended up with 15-20yds on the day, I think that would’ve been pretty reasonable). I get what you’re saying, though, and I agree. That’s why I’m hoping the off season and another training camp gives him time to improve and come back ready to play next year.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish he would have got all of hoovers carries

I didn’t see him making the bad decisions he was in the begining of the year. He showed some good toughness I thought. He is a talent in my eyes.

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by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

His one reception went for 13 yards

I think they should use him more like the Saints do with Bush. He’s got great hands. I wouldn’t even mind seeing him in the slot.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

+100000000000000000

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

Goodson made some excellent catches in the preseason, and I was surprised that the coaching staff didn’t try to utilize him in the passing game more this season — Especially considering the WR corps’ lack of production.

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bolden is a beast!!

but I would still rather have both of our RB…we can pick up a FA such as Kevin Walter like utepsfan was saying and draft a burner/game changer like Marcus Gilyard..

Does anyone know where Marcus Gilyard is projected in the draft?? He is a game changer and has lot to offer to this team b/c hes a fast receiver that can be a burner and can also solve our problems at returning kicks

by jay23 on Dec 28, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel this staff can utilize a guy like Walter

We need fast guys that can get open easily in vanilla play calling. Slower big-body guys seem to get swallowed up under Fox.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I would really hate to trade one of our RB…b/c I think its essential to have 2 quality RB to make a run for superbowl to deal with all the beating they take

by jay23 on Dec 28, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Over at behindthesteelcurtain

I noted that the Steelers were extremely overrated and they retorted that for every Ben there are dozens of Matt Moores and that Jon Beason is “a crack head”

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Don't let them get under your skin

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

just read it tho

in case they ban me for stating my opinion, with no language or weird accusations this time. just look at it

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

okay...seems tame enough

but you did say Moore is better than Ben. Thats of course going to rile them up.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...

For example, Adam, if Moore starts next year and continues this trend of playing well, then towards the end of the year someone comes over here and says JaMarcus Russell is better than Moore because he played well a few games, there would probably be quite a roar from us Panthers.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

theres a difference tho

JaMarcus Russell has had a chance and sucks. Moore has never sucked when given a chance to start. he has had maybe one bad game but for the most part has dazzled. russell has been awful

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

J.R. was really just an example.. let me rephrase it with Redman from ATL. Any QB that hasn’t seen much play time that comes in and does well could fill in the blank, really.

It pretty much boils down to: Moore won’t get recognition around the league unless he gets a Super Bowl ring, nor will any other QB short of playing time that’s stepping it up.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No more asinine then comparing Jake Delhomme to Joe Namath

Maybe you were not in on that one… But it’s always stuck with me.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I wasn't.... however if you look at Namath's stats they really aren't that impressive.

Namath is fondly remembered because he was a QB and Ochocinco rolled into one in the 60s and 70s.

Namath had one 4,000 yard season in his career and finished with 173 TDs and 220 INTs…

Like it or not, Namath and Delhomme are very similar players. The only difference is the ring and the legend of ‘the guarantee’

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

the times

you gotta look at the times and the rules, though. you can’t compare stats straight up. back in joe’s day, receivers got mugges all the way down the field, there were no double moves and things like that, and they only played 14 games seasons.

by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

That explains the yards, but not really the poor TD/INT ratio.

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

What about...

Winning the Superbowl, being rookie of the year, and being a 4 time allstar? You have to excel over other QBs and elevate your team, to receive those accolades.

Jake’s only ProBowl season was piggy backed off Smitty’s career season.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Smith piggy backed off of Delhomme?

You’ll notice Smith’s rise to prominence happened at the same time Delhomme earned the job.

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by Flowing Willow on Dec 29, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah right, try that one around the league

Our multi Probowl, hall of fame potential WR, owes his rise to prominence to the league’s 2nd worst qualified QB.

No, everybody has always known Jake is a “gun slinger” and shaky under pressure. He’s not a Brees or Brady who can make plays with little talent around him. He needs a guy who can go up and make athletic plays in double triple coverage.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme was a different QB back then

No Tommy John surgery. And as for plays with little talent, who was he throwing to on the game-winning drive against San Diego? Jarret? Hackett?

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by Flowing Willow on Dec 30, 2009 5:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Typically..

Teams don’t take well to being called over-rated… especially when that team is coming off of a Super Bowl win… especially by a fan of a team that has never actually won a Super Bowl.. Besides, what is being over-rated anyways? A lot of people have high opinions of them, that’s just their opinions.

Next year, a lot of people will probably be calling the Panthers over-rated as we plow through opponent after opponent.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So which running back is better?

What do you all think after seeing Stewart start for two consecutive games? And remember who he was running against.

Who is better, and who would you keep if you could only have one?

by Cyberjag on Dec 27, 2009 8:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I still stand by Stewart..

I honestly don’t know which back is better. Williams might be more talented but Stewart is a brute. As difficult a decision as it is, they are so tip for tap on everything, his 2 years of youth combined with his toughness are the only deciding factors for me.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't pick just one

I think Stewart will in the end have the better career, not sure why i say that…

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to disagree

I think it would be easier to replace a big bruiser in the middle than D-Will. Williams is a home run threat whenever he gets the ball in his hands and while he would certainly not be as effective, we could use Hoover as the short yardage back as shown today. Just look at the yards per carry and you’ll see what I mean. But I have to agree with Jax and say that I don’t want to lose either. Hopefully they will remain very good friends and not want to part company.

by CDS on Dec 27, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

What I really think makes Stewart special is, as much as he is that bruising back, he can cut outside and still break some off. Williams has a long of 77 yards while Stewart 52, and Stewart has 3 more touchdowns (I imagine he has seen more red zone carries due to his strength).

Williams is a rare species with incredible speed. Stewart is a rare species with tremendous strength and great speed.

I laughed when that guy (don’t know which player) smashed Stewart towards the sidelines and looked like he thought he had tackled him, only to get up and see Stewart still running down field :)

Interestingly, if Stewart starts next week and amasses more than 109 yards, he will surpass Williams in yardage on the season.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

20 TDs

look at d-will’s career. he’s always averaged more than 5 YPC, and went for 20 TDs last season. Even this season with injuries, he was on pace to over 1500 yards again, and he always gets over 5 YPC.

by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He fell short his first year..

But has been on point in the 3 since.. If Stewart can maintain an average above 4.9 next week, he will be set on the same path (averaging less than 5 his rookie season then 5+ his first ‘pro’ season)

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta admit

I got a man-crush on D-Will…I never want to see him leave Carolina. (and that is a totally non-sexual man-crush)

by rawjem01 on Dec 28, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

DWill is the bigger threat, but I feel better with Stewart as an every down back

DeAngelo seems to me to be a 2-3 ypc back, but then break off a big run. Whereas Stewart today got about 6 yards every touch. He can handle every type of run, and can wear down, as we saw today down, even the best d-lines.

The best case I’ve heard for DeAngelo is that his running style will probably allow him to last longer than Stewart, who constantly pounds his body into people

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take Stewart over Williams, as much as it pains me.

D-Will is an amazing back, but I compare him to LaDanian Tomlinson.

Tomlinson would get all the stats, put together amazing seasons and plays but when it was all said and done the Chargers couldn’t put the entire game on his back when everything else went to hell. He didn’t have that ability.

J-Stew is a different animal, I see him as a Marshall Faulk.

When everything went to hell for the Rams offense Faulk could be counter on to carry the game. The Rams’ ‘Greatest show on turf’ is far different to the Panthers’ mantra, but ultimately what made Stephen Davis so valuable was his ability to carry a game both literally and figuratively when things went bad. Already I’ve seen Stewart have the ability to step in when Williams is having an off day and not only flourish, but carry the team.

One NFL scout called Stewart:

“He’s like Emmitt Smith, but faster. If he lives up to his potential he could potentially be one of the greatest running backs of all time; but that’s a big ‘if’.”

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Question..

How many games have we seen Stewart play nagging injury free? I really can’t remember. If that thing ever goes away, there’s no telling what kind of gear he could shift into.

He’s already on path to an amazing career so long as he can hold up and avoid any major injuries.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

How many has he missed?

As far as I’m concerned I don’t really care how many practices he misses, or how often he’s on the injury report. If he runs for the YPC he’s showed it doesn’t really matter.

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how you took my comment but I was actually complimenting him lol. If he’s doing this well with a nagging injury, there could be a whole new gear we haven’t seen yet.

I partially remember a quote I heard one day when listening to the game on the radio at work. It was early last season, possibly pre-season, and I can’t remember who said it but it went something like…

“Oh my God…. [Enter name], a star is born!”

Now, every time I watch Stewart play that comes to mind and I can only imagine how bright his future could be.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I realize that now... my bad

It was late… and it was a looong weekend…lol

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but I have one concern

Sometimes he seems to wimp out. And it may be nothing… but he has sat out of many off season practices with injuries that didn’t hamper his seasons at all. Maybe he was overly worried about them, or maybe used it as an excuse not to practice. He also clearly was running out of gas on Sunday. He’s probably just not conditioned for that many carries… But these could also be signs of a guy who could be lazy at times.

I’ve never sensed this from Williams.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The most..

D-Will has ever rushed for was 186, never quite eclipsed 200. I imagine any back has got to be short on breathe by that time.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

That 4th quarter run to the 1 yard line should have been a TD, but Stewart flat out gave up. I think he was playing better than he wanted to. Every tackle he broke meant more sprints. It’s probably completely justified… I know I am digging pretty deep on this one.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I was a bit disappointed that he got caught..

Then I remembered I was playing against him in my fantasy league and it wasn’t so bad. haha.. he still ended up with 27 points.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

On NFLN Gameday, Rich Eisen put it best

“Imagine what the Panther’s season would have been, if Moore was the starter”

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

Shoulda, woulda, coulda....

Imagine what our Superbowl would have been if Kasay didn’t shank that kickoff.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Or...

If he made the field goals.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be laughing my rear off if next season....

“Yes, Matt Moore filled in very well for Jake while he was on IR. However, I still believe that Jake Delhomme gives us the best chance to win a football game. He’s the leader. The team has faith in him. ect. ect. ect.”

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think..

I’d die. I hope Moore & Delhomme both see extended action against first stringers in the pre-season.. I’d hate for them to keep Moore first string, then Delhomme go burn it up against 2nd stringers, Fox decide to start Delhomme being he is doing so well, then he throws 6 more picks in week 1 and we repeat this entire year.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

John Fox is his own worst enemy sometimes.

If he’s not careful, his loyalty to his veterans will prove to be his undoing.

Delhomme instead of Moore

Godfrey instead of Martin

Brayton instead of Brown.

That’s just to name a few.

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Brown done to deserve a start?

His biggest game this year was 3 tackles, and got over one tackle in only 3 games. His season 2.5 sacks is not deserving of a 1st round pick.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That would fall under the area of trusting the gut.

I’ve looked at Everette Brown, and I’ve looked at Brayton. I simply like what Brown brings to the table more than I like Brayton as a pass rusher. Brown has racked up quite a few tackles in limited time off the bench, and sadly not a lot of them has been sacks.

Give Brown a little bit of time. He’ll be starting. If he develops another couple of moves to go with his nasty spin move, he could be the next Dwight Freeney.

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by Revshawn on Dec 27, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I still need to see more

To me he looks like he’s working really hard for very little production. Typical of an undersized DE.

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Charles Johnson should play ahead of Brown

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Breakdown of our ends.

Peppers & Johnson should be starting against the pass, with Brayton in on running downs, in my opinion. Brown should work on his run stopping and be a solid sub for any down.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes Johnson look like the most balanced DE on our roster

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite the same, James

Kasay’s bad kickoff was one guy who made a bad play over 5 years ago. At least they were in the Superbowl!! This year, a very good team is missing the playoffs because of an error in the QB depth chart.

Not putting a(n obviously very) capable Matt Moore in earlier in the season was a very correctable error that many, many folks were begging to be corrected. That is too fresh a wound not to burn! Not long ago the line was “Jake gives us the best chance to win.” Now look at how this team is rolling with Moore in at QB.

Eisen is 100% correct. And NOBODY would want to play the Panthers in a playoff right now. With competent QB play, this team, THIS SEASON, is scary good.

by dudemanhey on Dec 27, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooops I just made the same comment

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Eisen also has the unique ability to never need to predict anything and talk about everything after the fact.

Moore has been very good… but there was equal chance he was going to be a total nightmare.

Let’s not forget, Moore is no.3 on the depth chart for a reason, obviously Fox, Davidson, Scherer, the scouts…. everyone in the organization didn’t believe he could be the guy this early (hence why we signed McCown last season). Sometimes you get lucky and lightning strikes in a big way (see Tom Brady in NE) but there are equally as many times that the grass isn’t always greener (Jay Cutler in Chicago).

All I’m saying is with hindsight only a fool would say keeping Jake in was the right idea, but the joy of saying ‘I told you so’ is that you get to say it when you’re right and sink into anonymity when you’re wrong.

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Except everyone agreed that Kasay should be our kicker

Whereas most people thought Jake should have been benched early in the season… many after the ARZ loss.

Not quite apples and oranges there

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Who exactly thought Jake should be benched during the 12-4 season, before the Arizona game?

I would love to see a link of a comment, anywhere, alluding to that.

Kicker is a unique situation because you only carry 1 on a team (except for us in 08-09).

All I’m saying is that hindsight is 20-20.

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by James Dator on Dec 28, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i did

i thought so after the oakland and detroit games. i thought he should be benched at halftime of those games, but not benched permanently. he completed 7 passes against oakland for 72 yards. the next week at detroit he was just as bad. d-will carried us to victory in both games. remember d-will is the guy who twice scored 4 TDs in a game.

by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point, there were signs of this year's Jake last year.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Just not true
Moore has been very good… but there was equal chance he was going to be a total nightmare.

When has Moore EVER been a nightmare on the field for the Panthers? Pretty much every time he has had a chance to play in regular season games he has held his own – dating back to his Rookie of the Week days in ’07.

The odds of him playing as HORRIBLE as Delhomme played most of this season were WELL, WELL below 50%. In the history of the NFL, few QB’s have sucked as bad for as many games as Jake was allowed to suck this season. Thats what has made this season so painful for many of us – we knew that the team was a competent QB away from excelling.

As far as Moore being 3rd on the depth chart. Like many have pointed out, that move was designed to keep the heat off of Jake. They didn’t want any real competition for the starting QB spot: it was already Jake’s regardless, because Foxxy is loyal to a fault! Fox is so stubborn (like most football coaches) that he didn’t want Moore to prove him wrong on that “Best chance to win” BS. Fox is like some of the folks on CSR — such a huge fan of Delhomme that he couldn’t stand up and face the facts that Jake was washed up. The AZ play-off debacle followed by the PHI season opener was enough for most unbiased individuals to know Delhomme should have been benched.

by dudemanhey on Dec 28, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

A different slant? I think Fox is happy this way

Put yourself in his place: here’s his starting QB, who plays like — well, terrible — in the playoff game and in the opener this year. Fox says to himself, “Oh, no,” but sticks with his starter, with the thought that it may have been an aberration, and remembering that Jake was at the helm for a 12-4 record before those 2 games.

Maybe he’ll snap out of it. So he reaffirms his confidence in Jake, in the back of his mind recalling that the other QB’s on the roster didn’t play lights out in pre-season, either. I’m saying it was inertia as much as anything in Fox’ mind, that kept him backing Jake for so long. “The best chance to win” really translated to , “Please help me, God.”

Finally, Fox catches a break and Jake ‘breaks’ his finger, allowing a change where Fox — whose loyalty is his biggest fault — can finally satisfy the angry mob by allowing Moore to have a shot.

When, lo and behold, Moore turns into a gem, and now Fox’ job is saved, and the team starts to play with a whole new spirit and drive. Thank you, Santa!

Fox will say what’s politically correct, as he always has, but in his heart of hearts, he loves Matt Moore like a son now, and can’t wait ‘til next year. The only way Jake gets to start next year is if he has some miraculous recovery, physically and mentally, and actually beats out Moore — I don’t see that happening, and personally think it’s 50-50 if Jake’s even back at all. If they let him go, or he retires (a possibility, despite what Jake says now) it’s still the same $12.7 million, spread out over 3 years. Moore is our man to start 2010, IMO.

by bigdavis on Dec 28, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you are right and Fox doesn't have blind loyalty to Jake

But maybe we should be upset that Fox stuck with Jake, when we, and most analysts were all calling for Moore to start earlier. Fox could not only have salvaged his job, but the season as well.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

There was nothing to lose by starting Moore earlier in the season.

And that’s why it was so frustrating and painful to watch those middle week games where Jake just kept playing so predictably horrible, it could NOT have realistically gotten any worse. Seeing how good this season’s team really is just rubs it in even more than before.

As awesome as it has been to watch and cheer these last two games, another side of me is furious that they didn’t give Moore a chance to start (or given Jake a chance to try and get his head right NOT at the team’s peril).

Ultimately, i still want to bring back Fox as the head coach because the overall team depth and talent level is too high. Given the track record of up & down seasons i would not be surprised in the least to see the Panthers win the franchise’s first Super Bowl next season!

by dudemanhey on Dec 28, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

I want to see 2010 lineup of Fox + Moore + this running game and defense + Smitty + ?unkown receiver?

If we can land a good #2WR, then this team could be one of the league’s best.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

When has Moore EVER been a nightmare on the field for the Panthers? Pretty much every time he has had a chance to play in regular season games he has held his own – dating back to his Rookie of the Week days in ’07.

People look back on 2007 with rose tinted glasses.

730 yards, 56.8% completion, 3 TD, 5 INT, 67 QB rating

Let’s extrapolate Moore’s 2007 numbers out and compare them to Jake’s 2009 meltdown

Moore (2007): 2,676 yards, 56.8% completion, 11 TD, 18 INT, 67.0 QB rating
Delhomme (2009): 2,015 yards, 55.5% completion, 8 TD, 18 INT, 59.8 QB rating

Those aren’t the hallmarks of a guy (Moore) who’s a ‘sure thing’

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by James Dator on Dec 29, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

James, you are only telling half the story

In 2007 as a starter his numbers were almost as good as this year. You are adding in games where he was thrown in late in the 4th quarter when we were down by 2-3 TDs… Obviously any QB would be throwing up desperate deep passes at that point.

This really looks like you stretching to make him look bad.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't put words in my mouth James!

I meant early in this season… and I said AFTER the ARZ loss last season. I think you read it incorrectly.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I just read it incorrectly… I don’t put words anywhere, especially in other’s mouths.

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by James Dator on Dec 29, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

On a side note..

Peppers has entered the top 10 in sacks all the while being invisible part of the season and having a broken hand through part of the season.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions  

next year

Omfg next year. I hate that it is so far away. But if we pick up boldin (he is a fa no trade needed) its over…if we trade either back I’m gonna be friggin pissed and calling for heads unless we win the sb…but ill still be pissed. They compliment each other and when 1 is hurt or not doing well the other picks it up and that’s irreplaceable.

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by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's assuming Arizona doesn't resign him.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe he want to be there

they never gave him the contract he wanted. However, I have my doubts that the panthers would open their wallets that much. It will be interesting to see how they address the WR position this year.

by LittleKing on Dec 27, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Could we even afford him?

How much does he want?

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

with no cap next year

and a presumably cheap owner, i dont really think we can afford many ppl

by adamlawson3 on Dec 27, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think they will

They wanna but he doesn’t want to be there and I don’t see a reason for him to stay. I couldn’t imagine how powerfull we would be. That would be one hard hitting offense…no easy tackles…and opposing Ds would be getting hit in the mouth by our offense…hard

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by Steve785 on Dec 27, 2009 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

I agree….we haven’t seen enough of Goodson or Sutton to say they can definitively fill the void left from losing either of our guys. We are a run 1st team…without a potent 1-2 punch it throws the system off.

by John Chilton on Dec 27, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

have to think positive

we need to get somebody to help smitty thats for sure. i really like to matt moore at qb though, much more than delhomme. we all saw delhomme hit his potential and his ceiling in a superbowl loss. since then it has gradually gone down hill. i mean finishing 3 out of 4 years on the ir. thats so weak from your starting qb. if we can pick a qb up to develop in the draft we need to. keep matt moore as the starter and develop a young guy if he doesnt work out.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

character

im just proud of the team for how much effort they have continue to put forth every week. a lot of teams would have layed down after being eliminated from the playoffs but not ours. instead we put fourth two couragous efforts and completely destroyed our two opponents. we completely beat them physically that was obvious, but we also beat them both down emotionally. took there pride from them. especially from the giants. we all have to be ready for next season to come around.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Listen to this hilarious Procton irony

In order to rip Matt Moore, Procton posted this quote after the MIN game in his signature, “Overheard in press box, from local reporter: ‘If this Moore kid was any good, they’d be up 31-0 right now’”.

Well 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter of the NYG game, the Panthers were up 31-0. Due to 3 Matt Moore TDs. What irony! Even though MP posted it to rip the guy… This week his quote actually implies Matt Moore is good… And he actually is!

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by southtunnel on Dec 27, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO...I bet he changes his sig line now

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Now THAT is irony. And funny on top of that!

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 27, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he put it up after the NE game

And at the time it was very true. We should have burried them early just like we did this week. But the kid had to get some composure and he did. It didn’t even take him a whole qtr to shale off those jitters. Had a long first drive. He’s looking good.

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by Steve785 on Dec 28, 2009 2:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is it because Moores a UDFA and not a top draft pick...

That he has to play lights out every game to prove himself? Most rookie QBs are rewarded season(s) of sub-par play to adjust to being the starter. Doesn’t sound very fair to me.

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I would guess because he’s not a rookie. But, hey, if we’re asking for him to play lights out, and he is playing lights out, I think we should keep asking ;)

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want to know where THIS team was earlier in the season…

Stubborn Fox refusing to bench Delhomme…

Davidson and his moronic play calling…

Special teams and their failure to tackle, cover, etc.

by scorpion12 on Dec 28, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions  

davidson

i wonder if moore played and made the throws that davidson was calling for, maybe he’d be a top OC in the league right now.

by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

in question

yea it makes you think about the what ifs of our play calling all year if moore had been in and playing at this level. im sure davidson would of let moore throw a lot more on third down like he has, where as when delhomme was playing we would of rather to take a third down run of some type, usually a draw.

by n dogg on Dec 28, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

So maybe it wasn't so much the plays called, as their execution, or lack thereof

What strikes me about the last 2 games is how the entire team has rallied themselves from the lethargy they played with in some games before. If we keep in mind that they’ve been eliminated from the playoffs for those 2 games, we have to ask “Why” are they playing with such spirit and cohesiveness.

I think it stems in part from C Ryan Kalil’s defense of the coaching staff. These guys read the papers, too (and at least one of them, Chris Harris, reads what we have to say, too, and the talk show stuff gets back to them, as well.) It may be that they’ve stepped up their game to prove to the fans and the world that they’ve got talent here, and they’re happy with their teammates and their staff, and they want to bring it back next year.

A lot of it has to do with Matt Moore being at QB, sure — had Jake still been in there, turning the ball over repeatedly, all that spirit would’ve been drained — turnovers just sap the energy of a team. So now they’re playing with confidence and momentum, which would’ve been ideal going into the playoffs..ah, well.

But I keep watching Julius Peppers, and he doesn’t look like a guy who still wants to play for another team, does he? You see how animated he is on the sidelines, how worked up he gets when a teammate makes a big play, how he practically slapped Matt Moore’s head off after one of his TD passes yesterday? The guy’s not just padding his stats, trying to impress some future employer into trading for him. Looks to me like a guy who loves the D system he’s now in, loves his role in it, loves his teammates, and is looking forward to kicking some NFC ass next year. He doesn’t talk much, though he’s not dumb, and I think the ‘trade me’ tactic he tried last January was his agent’s attempt to justify his commission, and has since been changed in Julius’ mind to “whew, glad that didn’t work out — we gotta a helluva team here, and I want to be part of it.”

All that’s speculation on my part; I don’t know the guy any better than anybody else does, but it’s evident in his demeanor that he’s not playing flat, as one would if one were playing out the string.

by bigdavis on Dec 28, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

So, how did Smith make that reception?

I think this answers a lot of questions…

Yup, Stewart isn’t the only one. The Panthers are building cyborgs by the minute. When one breaks down, they just send another out!

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 28, 2009 3:05 AM EST reply actions  

So what, he ate a messy ketchup filled Hotdog right before the play???

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

beast

yea dude broke his arm and didnt even fall down. instead he took an additional hit entering the end zone and then proceded to pound his chest with the unbroken one. he is the man. best wr in the league in my opinion. if moore was playing all year his stats would most likely be up towards the top of the nfl.

by n dogg on Dec 28, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

smitty on mmqb

When Smith was getting the arm X-rayed, the doctor told him he’d have to have it set in surgery this morning. Smith wanted the doctor to cast it so he could play Sunday in the season finale against New Orleans — a game that means nothing because Carolina’s been eliminated from the playoffs. GM Marty Hurney told him that would be impossible, obviously. Bones set in three months, not five days.

“You in pain right now?’’ I asked.

“Sort of,‘’ he said. "It’s more of a minor nuisance.’’

Football players are different than the rest of us.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/12/27/mmqb/index.html#ixzz0b03DiEOe
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by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

"Steve Smith leads the NFL in guts" :)

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by southtunnel on Dec 28, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

More from Peter King's MMQB

“Coach of the Week

Richard Bisaccia, special teams coordinator, Tampa Bay.

The 77-yard punt return for touchdown by Micheal Spurlock that helped the Bucs shock New Orleans continued a superb season for the Bucs’ special teams. Bisaccia’s crew has returned punts and kickoffs for touchdowns, blocked two extra points, blocked one field goal, blocked two punts, deflected one other punt and recovered two onside kicks. Bucs special teams accounted for 14 of their 20 points at New Orleans.

(I only show this to demonstrate how a Special Teams coach who knows what he’s doing can produce positive results. Recent posts about Tom Sorenson’s quote that he has it on authority that Fox and Hurney will stay next year have been expanded to read “the coaching staff will stay” — I don’t read it that way, just Fox and Hurney. Personally I still hope that Danny Crossman wil be replaced — we culd stand the improvement of a new face.)

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