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Panther Paw Prints: Fox Job Security Edition

For me its a little early to start the annual John Fox job security talk but I can help but address the 'rumors'.

Fox on His Way Out in Carolina? " Panthers Gab
The rumors are starting to swirl on if John Fox has done enough to keep his job past the final two games this season. The Bill Cowher factor remains out there, and there are a number of other good coaches that will be available.

I would say 'rumors' would only come from within the organization or some other credible source, which these are not. This is only 'speculation' that Fox could be on his way out, but I doubt it. Even if the Panthers finish 6-10 I think Fox will stay. You can't blame the poor decisions to franchise Peppers and re-sign Delhomme (if you think they are poor) solely on Fox. Certainly Hurney and Richardson signed off on those as well. I think the only way JR fires Fox is if he should lose the confidence of the team, which he has not. Fox will stay and he and Hurney will go about preparing for a successful 2010 season with an easier schedule.

Let's revisit that Vikings game one last time. We have an answer from Vikings LT Bryant McKinnie on what happened against Peppers:

The Canadian Press: Vikings OT Bryant McKinnie vows to bounce back this week after benching
"He played a good game. He made a good play on me," McKinnie said, referring to the one sack Peppers was credited with. "But when you go back and really watch the film, he didn't have that many plays on me." Two penalties, for a false start in the first quarter and for holding in the third quarter, threw McKinnie's mind out of whack. He also said he was focusing too much on his footwork, worried his stance might be tipping off the defence to what type of play was coming - as one report suggested earlier this month. "It was entirely too much thinking going on," said McKinnie, who joined the starting lineup midway through his rookie season in 2002. He has missed only four games since then - at the beginning of last year because of a league suspension for off-the-field behaviour.

Yeah...you try to rationalize that whopping all you want BM, but it is what it is...Even Tom Coughlin had a hard time not calling it like it was:

American Chronicle | Pressure on for Stadium Sendoff - Stopping Onrushing Peppers is Big Diehl
"He had a power move that kind of put McKinnie in the lap of the quarterback a couple of times," coach Tom Coughlin said.

Star-divide

Peppers big game has the Giants on edge....or should we say protecting the edges:

Pep Talk: Giants concerned about Panthers' DE - The Trentonian Sports: Serving Trenton and surrounding communities. (trentonian.com)
"We always chip, help and do whatever is necessary to give Eli (Manning) a chance to throw," explained Gilbride this week." Sometimes it’s a back, sometimes it is a lineman sliding out, sometimes it’s a tight end. "We will always do what is necessary. If that means we sacrifice some of the routes to get that done, that has always been our approach," Gilbride added. Peppers has 9.5 sacks to rank 11th in the NFL in that defensive category.

The Panther LBs should be ready for a bevy of quick outlet passes or simple edge runs to start the game... I just love WR Dwayne Jarrett's confusing comparison of the two Steve Smiths. He's no better at interviews that he is getting open:

Steve vs. Steve: Same name, different styles, personalities | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
"I think they're two different people," Jarrett said. "It's hard to compare the two because our Steve Smith is much older and he has a family and the other Steve is single so there's two different lifestyles They are great guys. They have their similarities. "They play the same position, but other than that, I wouldn't compare the two."

Want another huge reason the Panthers have been more competitive with Matt Moore in the game? Turnover margin:

Panthers' defense has endured many trials in its road to improvement | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
They're also continuing their trend of taking the ball away. Two more against the Vikings gave them 13 in the last four games and 30 for the year. That's tied for fourth in the league after a dry spell in midseason. "That starts up front," said Godfrey, who forced a Sidney Rice fumble last week against Minnesota, continuing a stretch of improved play after a midseason injury. "Those guys, it goes back to the D-linemen. They have pressure, quarterbacks are running around, and we're disguising coverages they can't read what we're in, and wanting the ball. Being hungry for the ball and making plays."

Maybe Moore hasn't been spectacular but he has protected the ball and it has more behind it than luck...Less lucky has the Panther defense been at keeping its starting lineup intact:

Williams, Sutton listed as doubtful vs. Giants | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
We'll be watching Marshall's status carefully, since he could be the key to continuing an amazing streak. The Panthers have started 14 different defensive combinations in as many games. Marshall's one of just four Panthers defensive starters to play all 14 games, along with cornerback Chris Gamble, defensive tackle Damione Lewis and linebacker Jon Beason.

Its confirmed the J-Stew show will continue again this week:

Panthers may be without Williams on Sunday | sunday, bodycopy, williams - Sports - The Star Online : The Newspaper of Cleveland County
With Tyrell Sutton also listed as doubtful with a calf injury, expect rookie Mike Goodson to see some carries as the No. 2 back. After a stellar preseason, Goodson has carried the ball just four times this season gaining 3 yards with one turnover.

Does anyone else here smile at the thought of ending the Giants season with another big upset? How about ending their run at Giants stadium in an 'L'?

Giants see end of stadium era | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/26/2009
"These fans come out in sunshine, rain, wind, and they are always there rooting us on," Tuck said. "I am excited about being able to play the last game in Giants Stadium, and, hopefully, we can go out there and put on a show and let them know how much we appreciate them and the stadium and all the memories and all the players that have played here before. We want to send Giants Stadium out on a W."

He said "hopefully". Not exactly exuding confidence is he? Maybe he is a soft-spoken sort of guy...

 


Poll
Has John Fox done enough to remain Head Coach of the Panthers next season?
No, its time for a change
88 votes
No, unless he wins out and finishes 8-8
24 votes
Yes, if they win just one more and finish 7-9
25 votes
Yes, no matter if the Panthers finish 6-10
69 votes
Too early to say
30 votes

236 votes | Poll has closed

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What's interesting

is that if Fox gets fired, lots of us at BBV have been thinking that Fox could become our DC. Our current DC, Bill Sheridan, lets just say he doesn’t wow anyone.

Fox has had a history with the Giants. So we’re kind of rooting for your team to tank it, fire Fox, and let him be our DC.

Do you think Fox would take a Coordinator job if he gets fired, or do you think he’d become a HC somewhere else?

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Dec 26, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly? If Fox gets fired, I can guarantee there will be plenty of other teams out there looking to hire him as a head coach. So unless he turns them down for whatever reason, I don’t see him ending up as a DC again.

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 26, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly its true

He does have history with the giants, and Coughlin (unfortunately) won’t be our HC forever.

Wishfully thinking, he could become our DC/Assistant HC, than takeover when Coughlin retires.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Dec 26, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not exactly a perfect match for Goodson to see extended playing time but, hey, when you’re behind three ‘pretty damn good’ to ‘great’ backs, you gotta take every opportunity that presents itself.

I think that depends entirely on Fox’s mind frame.. if he wants to take the responsibilities of head coach or if he wants to take it down a notch to coordinator.. I’m sure he’d have offers for both.

I personally hope Fox doesn’t go anywhere. Despite our bad season, I just don’t feel like Fox has ‘lost it’. I feel like we had a bad season, as happens in the NFL, and we’ve got to look to improve on that next year, not go out and get a new HC. I’d really like a less conservative approach offensively (or at least a willingness to try new things lol) but if that’s all I’ve got to deal with to keep Fox, I’ll suffice.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think he stays no matter what.

     I think all the speculation about coaching changes is just that, speculation. I don’t think the FO has any intentions on making a HC change this year. We have a few holes in the roster and staff to fill then we can be back in contention next year. Making a HC change would throw everything off.
     People talk about Cowher all the time. But Cowher is a 3-4 style coach who would want full control, and probably want to bring in a lot of his own coaching staff. Which means a possibility of changing multiple coaching positions. I don’t know about you but I feel we have a great squad right now, and are in need of a few adjustments only. We don’t need to tear down the walls and build new ones when a coat of paint would suffice.
    I personally think Fox did a pretty good job holding it all together considering all the games with multiple turnovers, losing a large part of the active roster to injury (it’s just been one of those seasons), and the 2nd hardest schedule in the league. (as well as some other reasons). Furthermore, the players have great respect for him.
     

by John Chilton on Dec 26, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

BTW

“I don’t think the FO has any intentions on making a HC change this year.” is purely my speculation. ;p

by John Chilton on Dec 26, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fox stays next season

With one year left on his deal I highly doubt the Big Cat would fire him and be forced to pay 2 coaches for a season… unless there’s someone out there who he and Hurney absolutely love and would only come to Charlotte in 2010, not wait until 2011.

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by James Dator on Dec 26, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think you are describing Cowher

I’m going to stick with as long as the Panthers finish up playing good ball and the team still has confidence in him then he stays at least another season.

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by Jaxon on Dec 26, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

Jake’s poor play, coupled with a defense still learning a new system put this team in an inescapable hole early on. Followed by the injuries we were put behind the eight-ball… Fox’s sin in 2009 was not knowing when he needed to make a change and try something, anything, to shake the team up.

When you can go out and beat a team like Minnesota, and not only beat them but hand them their asses it shows the coaching staff has the proficiency to draw up a solid gameplan. Couple this with a fine history as a head coach and I think firing Fox know would be a kneejerk reaction.

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by James Dator on Dec 27, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want to win 2010 keeping Fox brings the best chance

I think the Panthers will compete for the division title in 2010. I don’t think Jake will be given the defacto starters job this time and others will get true shots at winning it. I wouldn’t be suprised to see Jake rebound and have a great 2010 swan song season (okay now I’m stretching it a bit).

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

If Jake rebounds and secures the starter slot again, ...

…it’ll be because he earned it in next year’s preseason and training camp. Whether it ends up being him as the starter, or Moore, it’ll be worlds better than we started out this year!

by bigdavis on Dec 27, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

what we've proven

i think we’ve proven that with good qb play, we can beat anybody. jake played well against arizona, and moore played well against minnesota. the rest of the team is playing well. i know the coach is overall responsible, but how many coaches, really, would’ve started out better than 0-3 this year. the execution was horrible on both lines, and jake was at his worst ever. how many teams have ever had a winning record with a qb who’s rating is under 60? the play calling has been horrible, but it seems to be just fine when the qb can make the throws. i think fox stays. i also think that fox has made some changes and adjustments…i can’t pin point it exactly, but the team has been working harder, playing smarter, and we have a couple good wins. don’t be surprised if we win the next two. there is no way fox gets fired if we go 8-8.

by usana_gaines on Dec 26, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

its all about synergy

I think what we’ve seen is that when the offense is making the most out of turnovers and punts the defense plays with more intensity and drive, when the offense goes 3 and out or turns the ball back over the defense becomes overly tried and deflated.(and that would be true of any team in the league MC before you start on the million dollar pay deal again)

   Poor QB/WR play (Hollis Thomas has scored more points then any receiver besides Smitty) and one of the worst ST units in the league doomed this season. And that really isn’t the fault of the FO or Fox. In April the only needs that anyone saw for this team was DB two draft picks later and we have one of the best secondaries in the league who have shut down some great teams. Really this season has been horrible but much of that was injury (10-11 players on IR half of them starters), a new DC, the slow fall of Moose, and the demise of Jake Delhomme.

Fox will be back next year both he and Hurney will be playing for their jobs, but after seeing what Meeks can do with our defense and the truly amazing job Hurney did with the DT spot I feel great about next season (too much Monday Morning Optimist I guess). This team can be great a few more pieces and who knows…

by bleed_in_blue on Dec 26, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think...

You yank a coach after installing a new defense, benching a QB for an unforseen implosion, and an injury plagued year. I can’t think of a coach that would take their team to the playoffs in that scenario.

As long as:

  1. The special teams coach is given the boot.
  2. The offensive coordinator is asked to leave.

I’ll be a very happy camper and we’ll be in great shape.

by patosan on Dec 27, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

c'mon man

I think it is time for change and we need to take a serious look at getting cowher into our program. he pretty much has said he would strongly consider our head coach position, without coming out and actually saying it. Being a native of raleigh he said he would only coach close to home. and he also has said he would wait to the end of the season to take a look at possible positions when all the other teams were currently looking in the market at that time. He would come in and clean house which is really what we need. I think all panther fans can agree that we need changes at the sp cordinator and the off. cordiantor positions. if meeks were to stay we would most likely run his scheme but if not we would move to the to 3-4. In this scheme the panthers could be even stronger on defense. can yall imagine the depth of our d-line with players coming back and then the possible linebacker core of peppers,beason,davis,diggs. peppers would play lights out every game for cowher and he really wants to play in the 3-4 anyway. i dont blame the troubles of this year solely on the coachs but change for them is coming.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

In this scheme the panthers could be even stronger on defense.

Not really. We don’t have a DT large or talented enough to play the middle position on a 3-4’s defensive line, and our LBs are way too undersized. What we do have is personnel to run a very good 4-3, so change for the sake of change would be shortsighted here.

Besides, why would you give your D coordinator the boot after one year, especially when his scheme is just starting to click?

by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 27, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

really?

have you seen hollis thomas, kemo, or lewis. all of them are capable of playing that position. especially in a rotation of some type. we would have to worry about the size of our de’s though. like i said though, i really like meeks and his scheme. that is why i made a reference to meeks staying even if cowher came in and cleaned house. i am simply speculated on how we could look in that 3-4 scheme which would be strong. peppers would be extremly dominate at that outside lineback position. what the other linebackers lack in size they can make up with speed. you know beason and davis are making plays regardless. even you can agree the panthers defense has played better as of late because of the pressure we are getting on the qb. the 3-4 would give us the oppurtunity to put even more pressure on the qb. but yea i like meeks and i want him to stay. our defense isn’t the problem this year.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...Kemo played NG in Baltimore

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

c'mon man 2

With all that being said I think it will be unlikely that john fox will be fired. We will most likely allow him to finish out the last year of his contract before making a decision. I will actually be ok with fox keeping his position if we make the necessary changes else where through out our team. We need to pick up a qb of the future for the team, and we need to do this through the draft not through the fa market. If you take a look at the fa market there aren’t any quality guys out side of possibly jason campbell. but with the un-cap’d year a possibility he might not even be available. we could consider mccoy and bradford if they slide to the second round and our draft positions were to stay. we need to find a quality reciever to pair with steve smith. with smitty drawing double teams and the attention somebody should be making plays in the recieving game, simple as that. we need to make adjustments in our special teams game in some way. and a possible return speicalist would be nice. i can’t blame fox for how this year has played out. injuries, qb play, sp teams play, and the tough scheadule could take a lot of the blame as well.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Yup...if Fox doesn't get renewed this off-season then that sends a big message

He will be less inclined to stick with an under-achieving QB in that event.

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

stigma

yea its weird really. i dont know of any contracts in recent years history of that magnitude coming after a playoff performance like that. I thought it was dumb at the time and even dumber now. jake is one of those guys you really want to like but can’t. he has hit his ceiling of potential in his superbowl season and loss to the patriots. everything else has been sub par. we really havent seen what moore can really do. if last games performance was an indicator of what he could possibly be i say keep him and give him the starter position.

by n dogg on Dec 27, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

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