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Panther Paw Prints: Death of 2009 Season Edition

So has it sunk in our season will not be extended this year Panther fans? Though its been obvious for weeks it still sent me on a downer, especially since it seems we are just now playing well on defense. The offense also gives us hope with the improved play of Matt Moore and the knowledge that the Panthers bring back a lot of talent.

But we have no choice but to look to next season even as we complete this one.But we have plenty to be hopeful about as SI points out:

Dreams for teams already out of NFL playoff chase - Ross Tucker - SI.com
Carolina Panthers -- As long as you have Steve Smith, Julius Peppers and those two running backs, you have a chance. That was evident in the 26-7 win over Minnesota last week. The quarterback situation has to get better. As for Peppers, who didn't sign his one-year contract until June, the situation can't possibly get more drawn out than it was last year.

Keeping Peppers is a huge question mark...The player evaluations have already started and no position will get more scrutiny that the WR position in the upcoming offseason:

Future still up in the air for wide receiver Jarrett | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
"I feel like my time is going to come. Whether it's here or somewhere else, I'm not worried about that. I just have to keep working on my skills and I'll be all right."

So is Jarrett also thinking his time in Charlotte is coming to a close? I will say he is saying the right things:

Minutes: Jarrett deals with frustration
"I think it was a matter of giving some other guys an opportunity, which is the case with every position every week," Jarrett said. "Some guys looked like they were showing some good work, and (we) wanted to give them an opportunity." "(The coaches) told me basically it's just an evaluation process that they're going through," Jarrett said. "Towards the end of the season, it's pretty much looking at which guys are going to be kept and which will be left."

I'm personally tired of wondering whether Jarrett is the answer. I'm thinking its time for both the team and Jarrett to move on. I'd trade him for a 6th or 7th rounder.

Star-divide


Moving on the match-up against the Giants:

NorthJersey.com: Giants' look ahead: Offensive line on the hot seat
The Giants finally put it all together against the Redskins on Monday night. Now it’s a matter of repeating the performance, or at least coming close. They must control the ball on offense, mixing runs and passes, and finish their drives with touchdowns, not field goals. The defense must slow the Panthers’ running game enough to put the game on the shoulders of young quarterback Matt Moore, even though he had an outstanding game Sunday night in the upset of Minnesota.

Sounds like the game plan for the Panthers too...As we all try to figure out what it is that flips DE Julius Peppers switch, FS Charles Godfrey thinks have another quality DE on the opposing team plays into it.

Peppers revs his motor against Vikings
"You've got somebody who's good on the other side (and) you try to come out and out-do them," said Godfrey. "Julius is competitive. That's probably something that sparked him a little bit."

With Osi due up next we shall test that theory quickly...Speaking of tests Matt Moore has another big one

Minutes: Pass time for Moore, Smith
"The more he's on the field, the more experience he's getting, the better he's playing, and it just breeds confidence for him," fullback Brad Hoover. "That's just the maturation process of how it's come along, and he'll get another shot next week -- and hopefully it keeps growing." Just like his passer rating, which in the last three weeks checks in at 107.7.

Please let Moore win the job now! This season..go get them Matty "We want' Moore!

Who says we have nothing to play for?

Panthers pillage, pressure Vikings into submission
"Just because we're not going to the playoffs doesn't mean we're going to lay down our sword," defensive tackle Damione Lewis said. "It's not time to give up. We can't be quitters, so we've got to go out and play every week like it's our last."

Want an unsung hero for 2009?

Foxhole: Peppers as good as ever
ON DANTE WESLEY AND HIS ROLE AS A HYBRID DEFENSIVE BACK/LINEBACKER AGAINST TEAMS WITH POTENT PASSING GAMES: Dante's a guy that we drafted way back in our first year (2002). He bounced around a little bit and we got him back. His forté has been special teams, but he's a high football character guy, he's accountable and dependable and you try to find a role for him. I think he's gravitated to it and performed it pretty well. He made a nice play on their tight end downfield, where the down extended (because Favre escaped containment), and he did a good job in coverage. It was a big third-down stop.

Wesley is just the kind of special team 'specialist' we need. I wish we had three more just like him...Oh and here's another guy we could use a clone of:

Stewart NFC Offensive Player of the Week
Rushing for over 100 yards against a defense that had gone 36 games without permitting a triple-digit runner was significant enough. Doing it on Sunday Night Football, behind an offensive line that has lost both of its first-team tackles, with the other half of the team's running combination sidelined with an ankle injury ... all that made Jonathan Stewart's performance Sunday impossible to ignore.

Stewart would be considered Top 10 in the NFL if he was the featured back.

Yes, there is plenty to be hopeful about in 2010 Panther fans...



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This might sound odd..

But I’m extremely optimistic about next year.. Not going to the play offs this year doesn’t bother me in the slightest… Honestly, I’ve never been a huge Delhomme fan. For years I’ve always respected him for what he has done (and thus never questioned him as the starter – until this year) but I’ve always thought of what we might do with “other options”. Beyond fourth quarter come backs, I never really felt “secure” with Delhomme under center.

With that said, the possibility of the starting position @ QB being up in the air as we enter the off season is absolutely thrilling. I can’t wait. As much as I’ll enjoy the play offs and Super Bowl (I enjoy football even if the Panthers can’t be in on it), next season can’t come quick enough for me.

I’m confident that we will return most of our players in question and the best QB on our roster will win the starting job, then the SB will be ours.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 24, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am just loving these bs rumors out of espn on how Carolina is going to trade D Will because we won’t resign him. Since when did these people get the right to talk shit about anything the Panthers do? Assholes never say anything about us unless it is a negative sentiment.

Looking ahead to a better 2010. We need a new WR. Probably need to get a reliable #2 via FA, but I doubt Hurney will go out on a limb for that.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 24, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ESPN

only shows love for the cowboys, giants, jets, colts and pats. that’s about it. For the past month, every time i’ve turned on ESPN, all I hear about is the Cowboys in december

"I had to establish the rules and regulations of the game...89.... Bottom Line. That's why he's going home" -Steve Smith in a memorable post game interview with Andrea Kramer.

by jayd723 on Dec 24, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's alright..

When we start next season with Double Trouble still in tact, just email the idiots professional-minded individuals @ ESPN and remind them exactly that they “predicted” and how wrong they were.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 24, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is postulating about a very reasonable football decision "talking shit?"

I’m sure I’ll be called out for “being snarky,” but at some point, there is a level of diminishing returns when you have two starting-caliber backs on your roster, particularly in a few years when they’ll both deserve to be (and get) paid like it. Frankly, having a top-20 back as a backup who only gets 8-12 carries most game is an unneeded luxury. If you can flip one of them for something like a top-50 pick (especially if, as you mention, you think you’ll lose them to free agency) while you maintain some depth at the position and improve in other areas, haven’t you improved your team? I certainly think so.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your point, but it is ridiculous to think that the Panthers are going to trade D Will. Why would trade one of the top three backs in the league? Especially a guy who you can literally ride into the playoffs and has become your true home run hitter over the last couple of years. I can possibly understand Stewart (although I hate to think about it), but to trade DeAngelo is asinine. To suggest it as a course of action is absolutely foolish, especially since this isn’t really an issue at the moment.

By the way, I didn’t suggest the Panthers wouldn’t re sign him. If you see there, it was ESPN’s brilliant idea. I seriously doubt the Panthers would not resign the new face of this franchise.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 24, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Stewart has shown he can be just as good when given the opportunity.

If Stewart had fallen on his face in his spot starts, or never outperformed Williams when they played together, that’d be one thing, but it’s not the case. And I didn’t suggest you were advocating letting Williams go. I said you mentioned it as a possibility, which you did. At some point, resigning a player isn’t your choice. You have to compete with the market and hope the player picks you.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that. I don’t like that this will become a problem sooner rather than later. Personally I would take D Will over Stewart, but I hate even having to do that. Jeez, for me that would be a very tough decision to make.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 24, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent..

But I took it as meaning he would be traded before the ‘10 (that is weird to type… no more 0’s) season, which I doubt (or at least, I would hate to see). In the future, I could see such happening.

The question in my mind is, which back do we keep? Do we trade the one that brings the most value (most likely Williams)? Williams is a great back but Stewart is putting up starting numbers from a back up position. If Stewart gains 198 yards in the next two games (unlikely but completely possible) both of our backs will have surpassed 1k yards for the season.

Williams holds a higher YPC than Stewart but if that is the case, Sutton is the best back on our team with a 5.7 ypc avg. On the other hand, Williams has an overall 5.1 avg in his four pro seasons, which is far from a fluke.

Williams also didn’t break out wasn’t recognized until his third season (yardage wise, the avg has always been there but not the carries). Could Stewart’s 3rd season see him surpass Williams, whom will be in his 5th? I would say not but again, all is possible.

Deciding who to trade would be a harder decision for me than deciding if to trade.

I’d love to see Stewart surpass 1k yards this year.
I’d love to see Sutton get at least 10+ carries in each of the last two games to see if his avg sustains.
I’d love to see Smith get his fifth straight year with 1k receiving yards.

It’s just too bad that I can’t have the whole cake.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 24, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

But by the same token, you could shop both around the league and see what kind of return you’d get for each. It’s not like you’d have to make a decision in January and stick to it no matter what.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That’s smart

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 24, 2009 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nice thought provokingl post MC

I think no matter what we do, we have to keep D. Williams. He’s a very special back who can change direction on a dime and has break away speed. Backs like D. Williams don’t grow on trees.

As much as I love J Stew. we can find another downhill runner (although he is certainly more than that) to compliment D. Williams. Also, power runners typically have shorter careers than speed guys (like Williams). I would be uncomfortable putting J. Stew out there as trade bait this year above all others with the uncertainty at QB next year. Let’s face it, a big reason for Matt Moore’s (and Delhomme’s past) success is because our running game makes his job so much easier. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with Moore (or whomever is playing QB for us next year) out there without a good running game. With our current QB situation, if the running game drops off significantly, we’re toast.

I say, let’s chance Stewart not getting hurt next year and try to trade him then. If he gets hurt (esp. the turf toe), then we have a better shot at resigning him. If not, then he should be worth quite a bit to the right team.

by patosan on Dec 24, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is everything about the money MP?

You don’t draft two RBs in the first round two years apart to trade them for let the walk because of money. Not when they are performing like these two.

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by Jaxon on Dec 26, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because there is a salary cap.

With a limited amount to allocate to player personnel, you can’t spend starter-level money on two players at a position where there is only one starter.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's really a great point..

Did they not expect Williams to break out the way he did, despite carrying a high average the previous two seasons? Or were they not expecting Stewart to take to the game as quick as he did? Unless this is exactly what they wanted, why would they make such odd moves in the draft? I don’t believe we fell into this position by accident, there’s no telling what they are thinking up front.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They didn't think Williams could be a starter.

Based on his first two years, he couldn’t. It was only that he took it upon himself to get better that caused their moves to look “odd.” Williams was not a starting-caliber back, or else he would have beaten out the “awful” DeShaun Foster.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiousity..

What do you believe made them think he wasn’t capable of starting? Lack of ability or lack of endurance? His averages weren’t that terrible @ 4.1 and 5.0, though he found the end zone very little I’m sure Foster was getting most of the red zone carries [assumption, I’ve no idea for sure]. Did they just believe he wasn’t capable of carrying the load as a #1 back?

Interestingly, both seasons he put up a higher average than Foster and had 1 less TD on roughly 200 less carries. Though I’m glad he sat behind Foster if it took that for him to develop into what he is today.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think DeAngelo was a bust-or-boom back.

That doesn’t work in our offense. He’d hit the 30 and 50 yard gainers every now and then, but he’d get hit for a loss just as often. We’ve played our salary cap so that we don’t have the QB and wideouts to regularly convert third-and-longs, so we need a guy who’ll take the four yards on first and second down instead of losing four trying to gain six or eight. Also, Williams’ pass blocking was really, really bad in his first couple years.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 27, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do think we can manage to keep both of them

Think about it, much of our cap is spent on Peppers and Delhomme. Peppers at least will either be gone or sign a much more cap friendly deal. Delhomme won’t be around much longer, sad to say, he’ll either retire, or restructure his deal. Add to that the fact that we aren’t really a big splash free agency team, we mostly sign cheap, competent vets, and we should have space for our stars, especially by the time Stewart’s rookie deal expires.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 27, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're still going to have to sacrifice at some other position.

Regardless of whether you can pay two players RB starter’s money, you shouldn’t, because you’re going to hurt yourself elsewhere on the roster. You’ll have to exchange players like Jeremy Bridges (who will start at LT for the Cardinals through the playoffs barring injury) for Garry Williams (who cost us three points in Foxboro) because of $1 million in salary here or there. Is that really worth it when so many affordable, available RBs make their mark on the league every year? A few examples this year (with recent first-rounders excluded, since they’re usually pretty obvious hits if you have the offense to support them): Ray Rice, Maurice-Jones Drew, Ryan Grant, Thomas Jones, Ricky Williams.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 27, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But would you rather have D-Will and Stewart than say

D-Will and Jones/Williams/Grant. We can make two backs work, but we have to develop rookie talent like Schwartz and Bernadeau more successfully than other teams. And at the rate we are achieving that, combined with our team philosophy, I think keeping both is a very likely possibility.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 28, 2009 3:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In three years, when both will be off their rookie deals, yeah.

And it won’t be those specific players, but players like them who can produce at a high level on a low salary. Because Williams and Stewart have been so successful, there’s going to be a lot of demand for them on the open market. As such, we’re not going to get much of a hometown discount to retain them. And if we’re going to either lose them or have to overpay both when they’ve got to share the workload at the position, I’d love to get a draft pick or young player instead. As you note, we’re drafting and developing well, so why not give a boost to that ability by picking up some more high draft picks?

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because there's always a chance

We do well at drafting certainly, but we’ll have busts, just like every other team. Why trade in the sure thing for something not so sure. Double Trouble is just that, double. They will be integral to a Super Bowl run, a defense HAS to gameplan for them. And if Matt Moore plays half as well next season as he has this season, then our offense will be very hard to beat. You can’t key in on the run with the threat of Smith deep. Same as you can’t key in on Smith without opening up to a potential long run by both backs. Add to that their different styles that perfectly complement each other, and we have something special that would be worth sacrificing in other areas.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 29, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And there's always a chance that a back could break down.

If all we’re doing is taking about chances, we’re going to be paralyzed by fear and we might as well not do anything..

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Dec 29, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying it's senseless to take that chance now

We have a good thing going, lets keep it up as long as we can.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 31, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

D-Will is a proven commodity. There is no way we trade him. J-Stew on the other hand is definite trade bait in my opinion. He is a legit starter on any team he plays for and can and will demand the money associated. I would love both of these guys to stick around but Stewart will want the opportunity to be a featured back and rightly so. Just my two cents

by nickarmy on Dec 24, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't really call Stewart "unproven."

He’ll also be cheaper, younger, and less banged up than Williams for longer. His abilitiy to play through nagging pains when Williams has missed games in two different seasons already is also a benefit to the team.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You essentially made my point. True D-Will has missed a few games due to normal injuries that RB’s incur. Stewart has some legit issues with that foot of his. I would be more concerned about his durability over the course of the season getting 25-30 touches a game than Williams.

by nickarmy on Dec 24, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Legit issues?

He’s never missed a game. Those seem less “legit” than Williams’ ankle and leg injuries.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he does get special treatment

As a precaution…but friggin A he’s played through everthing and you gotta like that about the guy.

What have you done for me lately?

by Steve785 on Dec 24, 2009 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair though:

Stewart has been through a surgery on his toe pre-draft.
DeAngelo Williams has never had any surgery of any kind.

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by James The Aussie on Dec 24, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And with the pounding he takes and the number of carries he gets...

might you say he’s due? Let’s not forget the massive workload he had at Memphis. It was against low-level competition, but 900 carries against anybody is 900 carries against somebody who’ll hit you if they get the chance.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m looking at this through the eyes of the Panthers. If I am making a decision in regard to who I’m keeping and who I’m trading it’s a no brainer. It’s about risk as opposed to reward. If I keep Stewart am I going to have to worry about that achilles heel finally snapping or turf toe coming back and losing him for possibly an extented period of time or do I go with Williams who is one of the top running backs in the NFL and has proven that he can handle the load. So one question. If you had to make a decision, are you saying you would take Stewart over Williams?

by nickarmy on Dec 24, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why would you worry about the guy who's answered the bell every Sunday?

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Stewart's style

He is more likely to get hurt, as evidenced by all the nagging injuries. He’s a tough guy, so he plays through them. But Williams has an ability to “duck” a hit, it’s very hard to get a solid whack on him. So he doesn’t take as much of a pounding even with the extra carries. I’d rather keep both, but if it came down to it, I’d take Williams. And I think we can keep both, both guys have shown a willingness to share carries, and keeping them both on the payroll won’t be an issue for a few more years until Stew’s rookie deal is up.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 25, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to take one..

Trust me, this is incredibly hard for me to decide but, at this moment, I would have to go with Stewart.

He might not be quite as talented as Williams over all but he’s going to pound the rock through thick & thin and give defenders hell when bringing him down. Williams is very talented but often benefits from sifting through the line and breaking out a 40 or 50 yard run. That’s great but it’s not always going to happen. Stewart breaks fewer long runs but consistently drags defenders for extra yardage to keep more drives alive.

In the end, they’re both starting backs. The deciding factor for me is the fact that I can be talking about Stewart in two years and he will just be to the point where Williams is now.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 25, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't torture yourself!

Neither is going anywhere ;)

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by Jaxon on Dec 26, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good problem to have

Hey, the good news is that this arguement about who to keep doesn’t even need to start for about 6 months, and then the situation should be much more clear. Keep in mind we have Sutton and Goodson back there too. All is good for the Panther RB situation. Options are plentyful.
Merry Christmas everybody!

by Run4est on Dec 25, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

trading

Both RBs have reasons to be traded. I don’t want to see them traded this tandem works great, trading one for return on investment as MC believes will happen is like the Cards trading Fitzgerald because him and Bolden could both be No. 1s. WR is different from RB I understand, however, this is the run happy Panthers. Now for trade reasons:

Williams is older and doesn’t play through injury as well as Stewart, plus his contract is coming up soon. This makes him a target for trades, he (as a prototypical RB) will only last through a 4-6 year deal before burning out so trade him now for the youth and ability of Stewart.

Stewart has missed two training camps and every Wednesday practice this season, and with Sutton being a very capable back with a similar skill set it would make sense to trade him. With Williams being the amazing back he is he could take a larger role with Sutton filling in short yardage and goal line for much cheaper then Stewart.

However the Panthers will look to trade only if there is a major hole to fill, right now TE, OL, RB, LB, K and DE (barring Peppers leaving) are in great shape, DB and DT are OK, QB is up in the air with Moore/Delhomme and WR is in the toilet (no offense to Smith). So if Peppers resigns and Matt Moore puts up great numbers this week (NoLa will be resting starters now they’ve lost one) the team’s glaring needs are in run stopping, WR and OL depth. In that case look for the Panthers to be typical and quite in FA, if Moore or Peppers don’t work out look for a trade for a 1st.

by bleed_in_blue on Dec 25, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trading Stewart or Williams is totally different from trading Boldin or Fitzgerald.

Stewart and Williams play a position where only one player is on the field at the same time. Arizona’s duo plays a position where at least two players are on the field at the same time the majority of the game.

But yes, I’m glad you see there’s sense in trading one of those players in the event it can strengthen us at another position. In a salary cap league, it’s impossible to have top-tier starters at every position, so if you can create a player at that level out of a surplus at another position (your backups), you should absolutely do it.

Oh, and the latest reports out of NO don’t have them resting any starters down the stretch:
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/12/22/thanks-sean-saints-wont-rest-their-starters/

Because the Saints lack players with playoff experience, Payton was worried that the team would lose its edge if he were to rest their starters.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE

by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't trade these guys!! Not a one of them!

Really? Are we talking about taking one of the few reliable, productive parts of this team and moving them out?! That is not the brightest idea, in my humble opinion. We would never receive anything close to full value for either of these RB’s. Instead of making more poor personnel decisions (I can just imagine D-Will or Stew getting a shot to come back to BOA stadium and make us pay for our transgressions) and lamenting our “situation” of having too many good backs…why not cater our team and play style to this amazing strength?? Does that seem too obvious? Why not really try the triple option like Georgia Tech runs? “They” will tell us it doesn’t work in the NFL…but “they” have never seen a Armanti Edwards/Mike Vick (ohhhh please!! please!), D-Will, and Stew backfield. I say its worth a try? They told G.Tech that system didn’t work as well. Heck, drop Smitty in the backfield for some plays. Keep Matty Smore as a more than reliable backup and fill in. Please resign Pep and make him him happy! He just wants to win somewhere down inside there! I am sure Coach Meeks and him can come to an agreement that makes Pep happy with opportunities and keeps us tough. I mean seriously, if the guy wants to play freakin safety…let him try! “He doesn’t give full effort at all times on the field” He is also on the field for about 80% of the clock each weekend. 3-and-outs and lobs/ducks from our QBs make our D’s breathers very short. Call me crazy.

by mives36 on Dec 25, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your speaking my language mives36...GT all the way

Hey, lets put helmet on helmet and see if they can stop us from running. It will force single coverage on Smitty as they put 8 in the box.

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by Jaxon on Dec 26, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember that formation James was talking about a while back?

If Washington is willing to try the swinging gate, we could at least try the, uh, electric fence? Got nothin’ to lose but yardage and I really doubt that would happen.

To freshen memory, it was something along the lines of subbing all WR’s for TE’s or OL to increase the blocking. The funny part is, with our TE’s and backs, we could still possibly pass out of the play if the opposing team bit too hard. Or leaving Smith in to loop around or run a quick route – or even go WC style and take the QB out of it completely. Stewart goin’ up the middle, Williams is taking it outside, while Smith is looping around the opposite way. I think Williams is smart enough to understand the defenses and run the play to their weakest spot.

OR, with QB in, put Muhammad and Jarrett on one side going deep with Smith on the other, fake the hand off to Smith going around, roll Moore out opposite, hit Smith on something of a screen behind Muhammad & Jarrett, hope they make their blocks and let Smitty go to work. Could send Sutton that way at the snap to provide an extra blocker by the time Smith gets the ball. I could literally sit here ALL DAY and spout out random plays that may or may not work so I’ll stop now.

ps. If I wrongly attributed it to James, could someone please freshen my memory? I’m pretty sure I remember him being the one to suggest it.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By "going deep"...

I actually meant to lure the defenders away from the line to give Smith some leg room before knocking them on their ass. Figured I should clarify to avoid confusion.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GTech's offense would get shut down by KCs or TBs.

When you look at the difference in athleticism between NCAA teams and NFL teams, it’s not even close. Every starter on an NFL team was, at worst, one of the very best players on their team, and likely at least an All-Conference performer.

Also, your comment about Peppers wanting to win doesn’t wash. If he wanted to win, he would have resigned with a team that finished with the second-best record in the NFL last year.

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by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, it would be executed by players that are pretty much equally talented. That would be like a high school team playing against a college team talent wise.. In this case, it’s NFL vs NFL. While a college team might not be able to execute near as well, an appropriate NFL may just be able to.

I wouldn’t count it out until seeing it in motion, performed by (and possibly modified by) an NFL team. If it’s our team that tries it, I just hope it’s in pre-season :).

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 26, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We got nothing to lose these last few games

but the option offense would have to be something practiced on all offseason. It’s something that EVERYONE has to know what to do, and execute.

The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by Flowing Willow on Dec 27, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Options-O plenty

Merry Christmas one and all!

by Run4est on Dec 26, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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