Matt Moore Scouting Report
by Flowing Willow on Dec 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST
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I thought this was needed. I am not just taking this from Sunday's game, but from every bit of film I've seen of him.
Let's see if we have a starter in the making.
Positives:
- He has a strong arm, he can throw it deep and deliver it with adequate zip at the second level of the defense.
- He has some wheels, he can move out of the pocket and extend the play.
- He has the ability to avoid the sack and scramble.
- Throws a pretty deep ball, connecting more often than not.
- He knows how to check the ball down, makes good decisions most of the time.
- His pocket awareness is okay, he gets rid of the ball when needed.
- Has a very quick release.
- Good mechanics, will not throw off his back foot very often. Mostly on screens and check downs while under pressure.
- Can execute the bootleg pass.
Negatives:
- He will sail passes far too often on the short to intermediate passes, this may speak of very little arm control.
- He looks jittery in the pocket, even with protection.
- He doesn't have much confidence, nor does he audible out of a pass to the conservative call earlier this season, and he goes to his check down rather quickly.
- He doesn't go completely through his reads (see above)
- He has the wheels to extend the play, but doesn't (see above and above that)
- He doesn't have much pocket awareness, he took two blindside sacks where he could have gotten away.
- He doesn't throw well on the run, his arm really gets away from him.
- I question his work ethic.
- He doesn't take charge at the line of scrimmage, audible, line shifts, adjustments. All of the little thing's that are the difference between a check down and a 20 yard completion, a 2 yard carry or a 30 yarder.
I struggle to phrase this, he doesn't really seem to be the type of guy who will bring you back from behind in the fourth quarter.
Summary: Moore is a strong armed, mobile quarterback, who makes good decisions. He will struggle with his accuracy and confidence though. His pocket presence could also stand to be improved. He won't lose you the game.
Player Comparison: Tony Romo I hate to say it, but Moore reminds me of Romo in more than one way. Both are cool guys, calm, collected, mobile, strong arms. Both occasionally struggle with accuracy. Both let defeat and crap shrug off their shoulders, which in the NFL has to be necessary because of all the flak you'll catch, but at the same time I think both struggle with confidence and faith in their abilities. Moore can still overcome that, as he is a young guy and he has a chance to build his confidence, but I think that is what we have here.
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I had drawn a mental comparison to Romo earlier
I am so glad someone else thought the same thing.
Excellent evaluation. Still make sme thin whether Moore is part of the future of this team or trade bait.
A few comments on your comments, if I might...
“He doesn’t have much confidence, he audibled out of a pass to the conservative call earlier this season, and he goes to his checkdown rather quickly”
Are you referring to the play when he went to a run, to better preserve the chance at a FG? I recall more than a few of us thought that was a prudent move, not the kind of maturity you’d see from rookies like Sanchez, Stafford, or say, a JaMarcus Russell. The fact that he called himself out on it after the game doesn’t mean he’s lacking in confidence, just that he’s analytical about his choices, and wanting to optimize them in the future. Let opposing defenses key on that choice of his in the future, and then he’ll burn them with the pass. (Kinda like he did on the throw to Hoover Sunday.)
“He doesn’t have much pocket awareness, he took two blindside sacks where he could have gotten away.”
Blindside sacks are called that for a reason. He showed plenty of pocket awareness in evading the rush on more than one play Sunday, on one shaking off 2 tacklers and turning a sack into a 1yd gain.
“I struggle to phrase this, he doesn’t really seem to be the type of guy who will bring you back from behind in the fourth quarter.”
He put up 20 in the 4th quarter, didn’t he, down 7-6 going in?
If he’s trade bait (not your phrase), then I’ll bet Sunday night’s game was seen by enough GM’s to put a few hooks in the water.
I agree with you. It seems like so many people are evalvuating his as if he were sitting there with a whole year behind him. He has only played in 6 regular season games in three years, come on give him a break and some time to settle in. I think he is as talented as Romo and Dallas wouldn’t think of getting rid of Romo at this time. If I remember they were in Dallas at the same time and Dallas had to choose between the two of them and they took Romo but they said it was a hard choice. They tried to hide Moore on the PT but it didn’t work and we got him. I really think he can do well for us if we will give him time to get in a groove, which may have started in the fourth quarter Sunday night. It just takes a switch going off in his head to get him on the proper path to sucess. Good Luck Matt on Sunday.
Really?
It was a hard choice between their unquestioned starter and an undrafted rookie? How do you figure? And what, pray tell, is the PT?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
He meant the Practice Team
Synonymous with Practice Squad. If you need any more help with acronyms, like STFU, just ask.
Really?
I’ve never heard of an NFL “practice team.” But thanks for the help, chief.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
yes, genius
it was a hard choice. the cowboys had a hard time letting moore go. it wasn’t a decision of who to keep or start between moore or romo, it was who to get rid of between moore and the other back-ups on the team. they got rid of moore, the guy who is playing better now than jake has since december 2008.
by usana_gaines on Dec 23, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
Funny, that's not what he said...
If I remember they were in Dallas at the same time and Dallas had to choose between the two of them and they took Romo but they said it was a hard choice
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I knew you'd jump all over the come-from-behind line.
HE OVERCAME A ONE-POINT LEAD WITH FIFTEEN MINUTES TO PLAY! HOORAY!!!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I take it..
You’d rather have seen us lose by 1..
Of course, that would give you more reason to cling to Delhomme, with loving care. I see.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
I would have?
How do you figure?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because of the quote above
HE OVERCAME A ONE-POINT LEAD WITH FIFTEEN MINUTES TO PLAY! HOORAY!!!
Obvious sarcasm, and it suggests you would rather see Moore fail so you would be vindicated with Delhomme.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 24, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not exactly.
It suggests that that performance doesn’t make him a comeback QB.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
So what's your OFFICIAL PROCTON DECIFIT, defining a comeback?
The league stats use any deficit starting the 4th quarter or OT as a comeback win. What’s yours, just so we all know for the future?
Okay BigD, let me explain
Blindside sacks are where your sixth sense is shown. An ability to sense the rush and where it’s coming from and being able to move out of the way. Moore didn’t do well at this unless the rush was in front of him. And also, much of his fourth quarter production was YAC by Barnidge and Smith, he didn’t really make any spectacular throws. I want to see when we’re down by four or more with 2:00 left what he can do, then that will be taken off the list. The confidence comment was my belief that he lacks faith in his own ability to make a play, but that could change the more experience he gets. That does show his ability to make good decisions though
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 23, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
He was just brought out of the freezer....
For a backup QB of whom it has been said too many times that “he lacks confidence” and “he lacks leadership”…what do you expect? Give him time to thaw. He has shown a steady improvemnet in the last 3 games. The last one was the first time the team played as a “complete package”. The O-Line finally played well.
As for “YAC by Barnidge and Smith” thats what WRs are for. Their competance is judged by YAC. If the YAC is taken out of the equation, there are very few successful QBs.
Let him play the next 2 games. Out of the total 5 games this year that he gets to pay 4 of them will be against the best in the league. Lets evaluate him after that.
In the 3 he has played so far…he is head and shoulders above Jake.
by Indian Panther on Dec 23, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YAC are also a plus for the QB who hit them in space.
Netter than Jake’s constantly trying to force it in among 2-3 defenders, which lead too often to INT’s, tipped balls, injuries to WR’s, and almost NO YAC!
on the one where barnidge got so many YAC
after looking at that, it looked like the linebacker or whoever was covering him sort of got confused as to where the ball was because he switched over to the opposite side of barnidge when the ball was sailed over to him
had the coverage been tighter, the ball probably would’ve been picked…
Just as it should have been 3-4 times against NE.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
So you're admitting he got lucky?
Thanks. Few are willing to go even that far.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky?
There is no such thing as luck in NFL. Thats not what they are paid millions for.
If it was luck that favored Moore….the gods of luck must have smilling down on Jake these last 4-5 years.
U need to get off your “Jake-Wagon”. Time to smell the roses dude.
by Indian Panther on Dec 23, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
+100000000000000000
It won’t happen. MP has got to be one of the most blind football “fans” I have ever encountered. I think he is just a JAKE fan, not a PANTHER fan.
“There is no more than Jake, there is no less than Jake, there is only Jake. Jake is the start and the finish, the alpha and omega. Through Jake we can accomplish all things. To Jake we pray. Oh, and #### Julius Peppers.”
Apparently, Jake never does anything wrong. It’s either the team around him or someone else’s fault. When Moore plays, however, he can do nothing good. It’s always the team around him or someone else’s fault. See anything funny there? As much as I do like Jake as an experienced guy that can teach the younger QB’s, I’m starting to hope Jake ends up on another team so he can follow him there.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
Maybe SBNation can start a new blog, for Delhomme lovers only.
I wholeheartedly support the nomination of Snark as the Moderator.
LUCKY?????
Read my post below, which perfectly describes the play, and compares it to the top QB/TE combos in the league.
Is it LUCK when those combos complete the same type of pass, with big YAC?
Give credit where credit is due. Complain if you want that we didn’t pull the same play 4 more times in the game, but don’t go saying it was luck. That’s snarky.
(love that new word – thanks again, James)
Boy, I sure didn't see that
The LB played the man (Barnidge), who was the one who made the proper adjustment to the ball, and caught it over the head of the defender. It wasn’t “sailed” — it had proper velocity, trajectory, and height to avoid being caught by anyone but the intended receiver.
If that had been Peyton Manning throwing it to Dallas Clark, or Tony Romo to Jason Witten, or Matt Ryan to Tony Gonzales, or Donovan McNabb to Brent Celek, would you say the pass or the catch was anything but perfectly thrown? Would you say the defender got confused? Well, confusing the defender is a good thing, not a bad one. It many times leads to big gains, and YAC are most often part of those big gains from TE’s.
I would have said it was an underthrew that the QB got lucky the receiver noticed and adjusted to.
Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve Young, whoever.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
there was obviously some skill involved
but the way the covering person had tripped up seemed to give Barnidge all those extra YAC… if any other QB had done it, i’d probably say there was some luck involved, but admittedly, i’d attribute some of it to skill
I'm not quite sure what the "luck" part is that you two are speaking about.
If it’s “lucky” for Moore that he gets credit for the YAC, then, sure, those are lucky, since he didn’t throw that completion all those yds downfield. But every QB’s stats are expanded by the YAC his receivers gain — it’s undeniably contributed to, say, Delhomme over his years, since Steve Smith, his go-to receiver, has always been a leader in YAC.
Is it lucky for Moore that Barnidge even made the catch at all? I don’t see it that way, for if you say that, then EVERY completion is luck for a QB, since he can only throw it, he has to depend on other variables for someone else to catch it. Barnidge didn’t bobble it, nor did it deflect off someone else’s hands into his — that would have been “luck.” He ran a good route, didn’t slow down for the ball (it weren’t underthrew), caught it in stride, and extended the play with some nifty moves and powerful effort.
Now I’m not talking from memory — I’ve looked at the play several times, from the several angles they had replay of, and still have it recorded. Have either of you studied it, before or after making your criticisms that it was “lucky”?
Let's not mention deflections.
If so, we’re not talking about Delhomme with 18 INTs this year. Or as many as he had last year, for that matter. And yes, I’ve certainly watched the play several times..
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I mentioned deflections in regard to "luck"...
…and how luck played no part in the play we’ve been dissecting.
Surely Jake had more than a few of his INTs come off of delections, and when they occurred, earlier in the season, I always mentioned then in his defense.
Lucky is what Jairus Byrd is, the Buffalo rookie CB, who’s gotten 9 INTs this year — I ’ve seen that at least 1/2 of them, including 2 from us, have been way overthrown balls that landed right in his hands, playing way behind the receiver.
So back to the play in question here — since you’ve seen it several times, how do you call it “lucky” in any sense of that word?
Perhaps lucky isn't the word you want to hear.
I’ll try a different way. Barnidge used his skill to compensate for a really bad throw from Moore that was delivered off his back foot. It was high and short for the route that was run, but Barnidge saw the ball first and was able to come back to, using his body to shield the much-smaller players defending him (Johnson and Winfield.) In short, I think it was a bad process that led to good results. That doesn’t mean it was what it should have been from the start.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
You're the one who called it "lucky"
vitzeng said the pass “sailed” over the defender — you said it was “underthrew.”
You’re both incorrect. Here’s what really happened on the play:
First the situation — this play was set up by another fine throw from Moore, 2 plays previous. It was 3rd and 9 from our 21 after Stewart only gained one yd on 2 rushes — 6:44, 4th quarter. We used 3 WR’s (Charly Martin set wide left, Smith out right and Moose in the slot right), Stewart the only back, Moore in shotgun — Davidson called a designed rollout to the right, Moore throwing on the run a perfect pass to Steve Smith on the rt sideline, caught at the 35, extended to the 37 for a 16 yd gain and a FD. You’ll recall the catch was challenged on whether Smith got both feet in, but the catch was upheld.
This then gave us a FD at our 37, and Stewart then ran for 3, making it 2nd and 7 at our 40, 5:35 left, 4th qtr.
A much different formation saw us go with only 1 WR, Smith wide left, with Moore under center and Hoover and Stewart behind him in the I — King and Barnidge were lined up on the right in a bunched 2TE set.
After the snap, Moore fakes play action to Stewart, the whole line pulling to the left — their LDE #91, Ray Edwards, is allowed to come free by King and Barnidge, who both release for a pass, King in the flat, Barnidge downfield. The Vikings had 9 in the box, with a CB on Smith and a single safety deep. As Barnidge releases, Winfield #26 sees the play action fake and drops to cover him. Moore retreats 10 yards, as Edwards is closing fast, and barely gets off the throw before being tackled — this in itself is key, as it was only Moore’s mobility that prevented a sack; any hesitation and there would have been one; as it was he had to jump to get off the pass; it was more of a jump pass than a back foot throw, though that’s immaterial, as the throw was right where it had to be. It was NOT a floater. Could Jake have thrown that pass? I doubt it, but fortunately we don’t have to know.
Barnidge did NOT have to come back to catch it, nor did Winfield stumble, he trailed GB all the way by half a step. Barnidge caught it in stride at the Vikings 43, slanting slightly to the right and never breaking that stride. Winfield had both arms around GB’s legs immediately, but couldn’t bring him down. A second defender, #25 SS Tyrell Johnson, was then in position to make the tackle at their 41, but Barnidge spun out of that one, too, and was off downfield.
Steve Smith, trailing the play from the other side of the field, made a great block on LB Jasper Brinkley at their 28. The only man left to stop a TD was CB Cedric Griffin #23, who jumped on Barnidge’s back at their 20 — he was then CARRIED by Barnidge all the way to the 5!
Now though this play wasn’t essential in the win; we already had a safe lead, it is important in 3 ways — it shows that Davidson sees what Moore can do on the run, it shows that Moore can, in 3 seconds from the snap, react quickly to an unblocked rusher and still deliver a crisp, accurate pass with the proper velocity, and it shows for the first time just what a downfield threat Gary Barnidge can be, if he’s targeted more often — the catch part was easy (the ball was right in his hands when he turned to look for it) — but the fact that he broke 2 tackles and then carried a third tackler for 15 yards! C’mon.
I know I’m gushing, but how long has it been since you’ve seen that from a Panther?
Now I hope others will revisit that play, and enjoy it, too.
"It was high and short"
That implies that it sailed even though it was underthrown. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
"I question his work ethic"
What are you looking at to back that up. Seems a little harsh unless your basing it off something other than game tape. Did he seem lazy at any point? In practice maybe?
I’m okay with hitting the check downs on 1st and 2nd down. It draws in the defense for the deep strike. When he started making the throws the 4th quarter the Panthers started to score.
A agree he has a quick release but that might be why he sails a few. Just a guess.
If I’m the opposing DC I’ve got to bring pressure on Moore. Bring pressure from different spots via zone bltiz, run some stunts up front and play the short pass.
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by Jaxon on Dec 22, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well...obviously the opposing DC would need to focus on stopping the run first, then the rest above ;)
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He was unable to pass players like Josh McCown, David Carr, and VINNY TESTAVERDE.
Many, many reporters have openly questioned why he hasn’t been more ready now, in his third year on the team and in the system. And if you have to wait until the fourth quarter for your QB to start making the throws, it’s going to take the kind of dominant performance our defense gave us on Sunday to keep us in games.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Does it really matter who he was or wasn't able to pass on the depth chart?
There was a time David Garrard couldn’t pass Byron Leftwich on the Jags depth chart either, and he was in the system for 5 seasons before he started with regularity. Now he’s top 20 in every category, and top 15 in some.
if you have to wait until the fourth quarter for your QB to start making the throws, it’s going to take the kind of dominant performance our defense gave us on Sunday to keep us in games.
Can’t the same be said for Jake? Mediocre in 3 quarters, outstanding in the 4th for the vast majority of his career.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
jake lover
here you go again with your broken heart as if people who have something positive to say about moore are cheating on you and jake. it’s over. panther fans broke up with you guys already. you don’t have to like moore’s 20 point 4th quarter. nobody cares if you don’t. at the same time, umm, when is jake going to start making throws? 18 interceptions, are you serious? and you’re acting like moore is a bad choice. okay, then, who do you think should start? we have three qbs to choose from, feeley, moore and cantwell. jake’s hurt. obviously moore is sorry as hell, so who should we start?
by usana_gaines on Dec 23, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
I've never said we shouldn't start him at this point.
I’m saying he hasn’t proven much of anything, as opposed to most here, who say he’s as good as Tony Romo, who’s already ranked ninth all-time in TDs for a single season.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
say no more then...
We have had a lot of Jake to base our comments on. Moore has had only 3 games this year and HE IS BETTER THAN JAKE so far for this season.
Panther fans are not jake-bashers for his whole career. They are tired of him because of the way he has played THIS SEASON. The same reason they like Moore because of his play THIS SEASON.
It takes time to prove anything. Patience is a virtue. Cultivate it.
by Indian Panther on Dec 23, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
If patience is a virtue...
We shouldn’t be crowning Moore’s ass.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
hmmm
I agree that we should not be crowing Moore’s ass. But we certainly can take the crown off from the “Jake-Ass” head.
by Indian Panther on Dec 23, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
They were "broken up" with Delhomme before last season too.
12-4 later, and they still hated him. Definitely the best talent evaluators around.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I never have hated Jake
In fact, I supported him with vigor the first half of this season, hoping he could right his listing ship, and praising him for his great heart and will to win.
But his torch needs to be passed now. He can no longer lead this team to enough wins to make the playoffs. You could see that Steve Smith was getting continually more frustrated with his lower production, owing only to Jake’s inability to get him the ball. You think Steve isn’t now thrilled to have a young QB who can get him 9 completions and 157 yds in a game, as Jake could in the past?
Whatever happens to Jake next year, it’s over for him this year. Maybe he’ll come back next year and rediscover his own Fountain of Youth, maybe he’ll be cut, traded, be a backup, or retire. Who knows? But it’s obvious to all but you that his day,as glorious as his 58% W/L record was, is past.
My hat’s off to him for every win he produced or contributed to, but he can’t cut it any more.
I second this
I supported Jake, and continued to do so until the NY game, which was absolutely awful. In that game, Jake just threw it up to his receivers. No talent throws that were just prayers, and the defense capitalized. It was obvious to me Jake was done, I still love him as a Panther, but his time is ended. He is one of my all time favorite Panthers, but even Favre has to retire at some point.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 24, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Okay....I just can't let this go......
…and I’ll just hit the low hanging fruit on this one…..
>>Many, many reporters have openly questioned why he hasn’t been more ready now, in his third year on the team and in the system. <<
Short & Simple:
1) Coaching staff and their blind allegience to a poor performing 1st string QB
2) Moore was 3rd string , how much attention did he really garnish with the coaching staff regarding prep?
3) It was only after 1st String QB injury, 2nd String QB injury, that the coaching staff turned to 3rd string QB Moore, a 3yr rookie with 3 total NFL starts to date.
4) Without the snaps, just how ‘ready’ can anyone REALLY be?
by 12th_Man_Fan on Dec 23, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
+1
5) And don’t forget this: Fox loves his veterans even if they fail.
by Indian Panther on Dec 23, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
dare say by experience only
jeez dont even mention David Carr anymore…FAIL…
I believe he couldn’t pass them more for Fox’s love of experience. What kind of confidence
has he even tried to instill in Matt, when every opportunity you get, you find an “experienced” QB out of football, lying on a couch somewhere to take the chance you should’ve had…
Matt has more tools- less experience, not his fault if HC is unwilling to use you.
You're right, it's definitely entirely Fox's fault.
I’m sure the OC, QB coach, and everybody else on the staff were begging to let Moore start.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
"if you have to wait until the fourth quarter for your QB to start making the throws"
I’ve let that comment by more than one poster go, but it’s necessary to correct that misconception.
Moore didn’t wait for the 4th quarter at all.
The game was scoreless in the SECOND quarter, and after the Vikes missed a FG, we had the ball 1 and 10 on our 29.
Moore led us on a 15 play, 71 yard drive, culminating in the 1 yard TD throw to Brad Hoover in the EZ — we go up 6-0, having the EP try blocked.
Anybody here who says Moore waited for the 4th quarter to show up needs to retract that. He was 6 FOR 6 on that drive, throwing 6 tight spirals, including 15 over the middle to Smith, 13 over the middle to Moose, and another over the middle to Jeff King.
The announcers noted that Minnesota was the #1 team in the NFL at allowing TD’s in a goal to go situation — only 3 for 12 before that drive.
Another time, also in the 2nd quarter (not waiting for the 4th quarter to show up), Moore was efficient and productive. With 3:10 left, 3rd and 12 at our 40, Moore executes a perfect screen pass to Tyrell Sutton, who takes it to the Vike’s 48 for a FD — this allowed us to later get to FG range as the half ran down, only to have Kasay’s 49 yarder be nullified by a penalty, which then led to a Hail Mary pass as time ran out.
Including the Hail Mary, Moore was 12 for 17 in the first half, for 101 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs.
I don’t think he only played 1 good quarter of football at all. Anybody still want to debate that? C’mon. Give it your best shot. This kid’s as good as we need. Get behind him.
So is mentioning that he went 6 for 6 in that 2Q drive also "slurping"?
If so, gimme ’notha Slurpee, mon!
I question why he wasn't higher on the DC after three years in the scheme
We’d be seeing Josh McCown now if he hadn’t gotten hurt. And I don’t have much of an issue with checkdowns, but if that is hurting his ability to go downfield, then it’s a bit of an issue.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 23, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
Again, the only healthy players he’s ever passed on the depth chart are Bret Basanez and Hunter Cantwell.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
But he has played well
Don’t deny that. I think Moore could be our future, I want to see how he plays against NY and NO, but I think we have our starter. Also MP, I never called him Tony Romo, I said they were similar players.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 23, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
He's played fine in one quarter of football, and mediocre otherwise.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for standing up against the wave of fickletude.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you just have to keep in mind that Panthers fans are so desperate for a ray of hope at the QB position that they’re going to immediately overreact the first time Moore shows promise. I just hope it’s a sign of things to come and no an anomaly. There’s nothing worse in the NFL than not having a franchise QB.
No response to that, huh?
Didn’t think so. Snark.
Who knows, other than the coaching staff, why he wasn't, then
Maybe they thought he wasn’t ready. Maybe he wasn’t. Doesn’t matter. He obviously was ready vs the Vikings, wouldn’t you say?
Just as MP points to Delhomme down on the DC in N.O. and then raising his game, so Moore could repeat that cycle of maturity, given game experience. And despite what JERK claims, the Vikings did want to win that game. and had plenty to play for.
If we were seeing Josh McCown now, we’d not necessarily have won this game — he’s always been a journeyman, and at 30, I think it’s a little late in his cycle to turn on the switch and be a winner.
As far as the checkdowns you point to, which JERK calls “dumbing down the offense,” we’ve been killed by those passes in the past when they’re used against us — what’d we be getting but checkdowns had we gone for Garcia? They work, frustrate the defense, and move the chains. And they set a D up for the long ball, which I disagree with about with Moore — he throws a better long ball than Jake.
"he throws a better long ball than Jake."
I won’t compare to Jake in his prime, as I don’t believe you were either, but as far as this season goes, I completely agree. Moore is definitely better on the long ball. Delhomme has a long of 52 yards this season, meanwhile Moore has surpassed that with 66 in his few games. His longest completion is further than quite a few “notable” names.
I typically wouldn’t put too much into it but look at how many games the guys below him have started vs the amount he has.
Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.
Longest pass FTW!
Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best QB in the NFL!!!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
More important than Moore's longest completion is this:
He’s gotten first downs on 33 of his 95 attempts — that 34.7% rate is 14th in the league.
Ooh! That's another good one!
I guess Moore’s better than McNabb and Palmer, too, huh?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
In that particular stat
Yes he is.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 24, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, he's better overall. He makes first downs! YEAH!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
R U Jake?
I am begining to wonder…Is MichaelProcton Jake’s blog name?
In which case…jake..your time is over. Time to sit down and sip the coolaid. Let the young Moore show the Panthers if he is their future or not. He can only be judged on the numbers that he puts up. It is not his fault that he has only played 6 games so far. With 2 more to go, we will have more numbers to quantify him.
All your ranting will not bring jake back from his grave.
by Indian Panther on Dec 24, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, so Delhomme's dead now.
Woo.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
It's 10% better than Delhomme's 31.2%
Which equates to about one more FD per game.
Someone commented he "can"t move the chains" — just showing he does, and better than the average starter in the league.
...over a three game sample.
A sample which includes performances against one decent team (which essentially had its playoff seed locked up), one awful team (TB), and a team that’s been getting destroyed in the secondary for at least a month (NE.)
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sample this -!-
So what are the NYGs? If he does well in this game Sunday, will you be wiling to give him any credit then? Or will you say something like, “Ah, they were playing the last game in their stadium — they didn’t care.”
And that comment about NE getting destroyed in the secondary for at least a month — pretty small sample there, wouldn’t you say?
You use sample size to denigrate short-term performance, so if long-term performance is all that can be quantified, why be so critical of Moore when he’s only getting started? (and don’t come back with your, “he’s started 6 games, he oughta be able to do it by now crap”, which would entirely undermine your small sample theory — can’t have it both ways.)
So Jake's performance against TB
which was significantly worse than Moore’s WITH Williams, Gross, and Otah factors into this how?
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 25, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really think it does.
Nothing about Delhomme’s performance at any point should change the way you evaluate Moore.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
You used an example of who Moore played
to downgrade him. I pointed out they both have played the same team the same season, and Moore played significantly better without some key players.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 27, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa was still fighting for something then.
If it was two weeks apart, you’d have something, but it wasn’t.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 27, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
You mean besides them fighting for their jobs?
Because that’s what they were/are fighting for.
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
What were we fighting for these last two weeks?
What was Tampa Bay playing for yesterday against New Orleans? My point is you can’t use that excuse anymore, every team plays for something, even if it’s just the player’s trying to impress their future employers.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 28, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
"I won’t compare to Jake in his prime'
Right. I wouldn’t compare him to Daryle Lamonica in HIS prime, either, but Daryle’s 68 now (he was The Mad Bomber with Oakland) — so it’s gotta be current year comparisons I was making. What somebody could do last year, and now can’t, is old news, just as old as if it were 40 years ago.
http://www.nfl.com/players/darylelamonica/profile?id=LAM732855
"Many, many reporters"
Please name them. And supply their quotes, if you will.
Still waiting!!!!
C’mon, Snark — you’ve put out maybe 30 posts since this — go back up your BS.
And still waiting........
37 hours and counting………………..
...On the 12th day of Christmas, my true love sent to me..."
…backup for an in.ac.cu.rate post…
"Overheard in press box, from local reporter:..."
…if this blogger was (sic) any good, he’d post a few links backing up his statement, showing who these ‘many, many reporters’ were — or he’d graciously retract it.
I have now said all I’ll say on this, as it must be clear he has neither a source to quote, nor the class to say so.
Go Panthers!
Look, I’m as sick of Jake as the next guy, but you all need to take a step back before you hail Matt Moore as the next Tom Brady. MP is right, he had one good quarter of football and has played mediocre at best everywhere else. He sails balls way more than any NFL starting QB should.
I agree that he’s a better option than Jake is, but the jury is still out if he’s starter worthy. Hopefully the Vikings game is a sign of things to come. But you should all ask yourselves this question, if he was so damn talented, then why did we bother signing McCown and then AJ Feeley in the first place?? If he was so damn talented why did he look so awful against mediocre defenses in preseason???
My hope is that he’s progressing, and will be able to progress with more starts into a good starting QB. But we really need to take a wait and see approach. I mean guys, we only scored 6 freaking points in the first 3 quarters of that game. Keep things in perspective.
i don't think people were trying to say that Moore is the "answer"
everyone, as loyal Panthers fans, should hope that we find one soon though because we need the franchise QB
McCown would’ve started if he had not gotten injured so early and AJ Feely was signed because we needed another QB for the “worst case scenario” – I don’t think anyone expected him to be more than a temporary starter
Talent..
Talent is sometimes hidden from the eye of the scout till the right conditions give it a chance to be shown.
Why was Tom Brady not drafted till the 7th round? For that matter why has our 7th round Captain M fared better than the first 6 picks? Or for that matter Anderson?
Talent is only proven when given a chance.
In the 3 games Moore has played this year, he has shown a steady improvement. He has 2 more to go. Time will tell…
Jake had his 12 chances this season and he has shown us his talent….the opposing teams love his talents of throwing them the ball.
by Indian Panther on Dec 24, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
MP is right, he had one good quarter of football
Uh oh, there’s another one who thinks 6 for 6 on a TD drive is mediocre.
Guys, I’m not trying to start another brouhaha — but when I found that these statements — let’s call them inaccurate assumptions, caused by watching Moore’s 2 of his first 3 passes of the game fall incomplete — I feel compelled to state the facts. It’s only in the spirit of wanting us all to be more confident of him in the future.
From Gregg Easterbrook, the Tuesday Morning Quarterback at ESPN:
“Sweet Play of the Week: With mega-underdog Carolina trailing Minnesota 7-6 near the end of the third quarter, undrafted free agent QB Matt Moore threw deep to Steve Smith, whose 26-yard touchdown catch was nullified by a penalty against the Cats. Now it was third-and-26 on the Minnesota 42-yard line. Carolina called the same pattern for Smith, who caught a perfectly thrown touchdown pass — TMQ loves the tactic of coming right back to a play that just failed. Then, with Carolina leading 19-7 late in the game, Moore faked a toss left, bootlegged right and threw a perfect 55-yard strike to Gary Barnidge, icing the game. The undrafted Moore totally outperformed Brett Favre. Perhaps this is the Carolina team we might have seen all year, if the Panthers were not handicapped by Jake Delhomme’s interceptions and fumbles.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091222&sportCat=nfl
"I was just praying he wasn’t going to gun one high or low," said fullback Brad Hoover, who caught Moore’s first touchdown pass, a 1-yarder.
Yes, that’s an actual quote from tenured veteran Brad Hoover. About a one-yard pass.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Sure he did...
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Jake placed on IR
Now we know Matt Moore will start in the next 2 games. Lets hope his stats improves. The ball is in his court.
by Indian Panther on Dec 24, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions
I think that was pretty much a given.
Even I supported that decision. Although I hope they don’t sign Cantwell. Might as well get a guy you can use on special teams—or anything at all—in a game if it’s not a total disaster.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I know I'm new but...
I’ve watched plenty of football :P
In my opinion Jake’s career is over, thank you for all the good memories from years ago but please leave your uniform in the locker room.
Matt appears to have a good future, I remember everybody hated some talentless hack who had no right to be in the NFL a while ago. I think his name was Kurt Warner or something or other. Such a hack that he couldn’t even get drafted OR stick with several teams. Yeah he’s terrible, I bet Cardinals fans hate that they have to endure watching him game in and out. Oh yeah God (Jake) went through a similar path too. I’m also sure the Cowboys fans feel the same way about that Romo guy who had to wait 3 years on the bench/ as the 3rd qb until it was time for Bledsoe to self destruct due to age. He wasn’t drafted either, the jerk. Every good play either of them makes is a miracle of god. (The one who isn’t Jake)
And didn’t jake have like 6/7 Ints in the first 3 weeks of this season? So there is a small 3 game window to compare Jake/Matt.
Everybody is no good until they finally get the opportunity to get off the bench. There were Cowboy fans who still wanted Bledsoe to stick around, I think some Panther fans will feel the same way.
Bottom line imo: Matt looks good, franchise qb? Maayyyybee.He’s at least a above average backup for next year and maybe more. I’d personally love to see them take Ryan Mallett when he comes out. I do think Jake is done, he’s never been a physical talent and his age has robbed him of what skills he did have IMO. But no reason to hate on Moore just because he is replacing a fan favorite. Wait till he gives us a REAL reason to dislike him rather than a made up, very biased reason.
true, true
i really makes no sense to me why some people try to kill the optimism of those that are high on Moore. some of those hater would argue that jake always had a winning record. that’s a good argument, and this is jake’s first season ever with a losing record. in every year he’s been here and we had a losing record, we had losses when he was hurt, and a winning record when he was healthy. now moore is young and just getting started, but he also has a career winning record of 4-2. over 16 games, that’s, what, 11-5 or something like that. this season, moore has a qb rating of 88. the arguments make no sense, and i’ve been a part of them, but i’m tired of it. jake is done for the year, and possibly forever. so whether you like moore or not, he’s the qb of the future in carolina. that could change with the signing of a free agent or drafting a solid qb (i’d be okay with both options), but it’s not gonna change with some jake resurgence.
by usana_gaines on Dec 26, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Even if he does have a resurgence that’s still just a 1 maybe 2 seasons top band-aid IMO. At this point in his career with his age and declining skills I don’t think he should be counted on as a starter even if it was just as a game manager. I guess I’d be ok with him as a backup/mentor but I honestly don’t want him starting again. Its not hate so much as it is just watching him. Jake’s play this year reminds me of Brad Johnson last year with the Cowboys; He usually still makes the correct reads but doesn’t have the arm to follow through any more. And in my opinion that’s the period at the end of a qb’s career.
Just to note...
Johnson was worse last season than Delhomme this season in every way.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Just to note....
Moore is better than both of them this season, in every wa
Happy Holidays!
And for another thing they (Panthers/Cowboys) have in common
Everybody laughed at the Cowboys for thinking he had something left in the tank, similar to how all the other teams are laughing at us for think Delhomme had something left in the tank…
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 26, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
usually still makes the correct reads but doesn’t have the arm to follow through any more
That’s a succinct way of putting it.
Welcome to the blog, Twist Of Cain.
Thanks!!!
Hopefully I’ll be able to make a decent point every now and than :P
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 26, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
This excerpt from the Panthers' website:
Against the Vikings, Moore completed 21 of his 33 passes for 299 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions, and was at his best in the game’s decisive moments: in the fourth quarter, when his quarterback rating was 153.3 (5-of-7 for 160 yards and two touchdowns), and on third downs, when his rating was 132.4 (8-of-14 for 145 yards and two scores).
“He did a great job last week,” said fellow quarterback Jake Delhomme, whose season officially ended Thursday when he was placed on injured reserve. “I’m so proud of him.”
With a 4-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio since stepping into the starting lineup Dec. 6, Moore now has a 107.7 rating as a starter — which, if sustained over a season, would place him in elite company.
by bigdavis on Dec 26, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, totally unsurprising, that the team's official website would slurp on the current starter at a position.
Ha.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
What was that , that Ebenezer Scrooge used to say?
….ah,yes…I remember now.
Bah, humbug.
Even Jake was proud of him.
And a friend of Jake’s is a friend of mine.
I suppose they were supposed to say...
Despite being a key member of the victory over the Vikings he was completely terrible and was holding us back from winning, unlike Jake Delhomme who has won us every game this year with his way better than Payton Manning play…
Happy Festivus!
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 27, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
This thread needs to be kept alive and active
If it takes 2 people to Recommend it for that to happen, then how ‘bout somebody stepping up to do it — as of now, I’m the only one who has.
6 TDs and 0 INTs the last 2 weeks.
Who has what to say about Matt Moore now?
It's not poor form if I rec my own post?
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 28, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it would be.
Just for information, to Recommend a post, one shouldn’t use the Rec option on a particular Reply in that thread, but Recommend it at the top, before the Comments begin (right after it says “…the person/idiot making the post…”
For example, I think Twist of Cain thought he’d recommended your post, but he apparently just Rec’d a comment, for it still only has the one I made.
This is too good a thread to go away into the ether, as it contains a lot of talk that was early to Moore’s success.
Ok, Recommend the whole thing.
This should be kept open I agree.
Now about those many many reporters…:P
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
This Post can now be officially closed
Matt Moore has himself spoken. His stats for the last 2 games speak more than what even MP can scoff at.
All that I heard the NFL commentators say after the game was “what if Fox had started Moore a little earlier……” We could have been in the playoffs. But for the Jake-Ass and his powerful stats……..
We could have also lost games we did win.
Unfortunately for you, though, we’ll never know. With Jake in the lineup and the defense playing like it is, we could have been just as likely to win these past few games. It’s all conjecture.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
But Jake is not in and Moore is playing.....
Better than Jake has at any point this year and it seems the team is pumping it up with him in. Not to mention in 4 games Moore is 1 td away from matching Jake’s season total. Face it, he’s not crumbling and he isn’t a weak spot. And yes the defense is a big part of why the team is winning, it always has been IMO. Seems they are a bit fresher now with less turnovers on offense. Don’t take away what Moore’s done because he IS doing something the past few games that Jake has not at any point this year. IMO if Jake was still in we probably drop to the Vikings and possibly the G-men. But instead of playing a WHAT IF scenario I shall agree to let Moore’s play/record speak for itself.
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
And I'll let seven years of Delhomme's play speak for itself.
Delhomme’s been a guy who gets it done when there’s still a chance to make the playoffs and once they get there. Haven’t exactly seen that out of Moore.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
"a guy who gets it done...once they get there"??
That comment needs no comment – it speaks for itself. A R I Z O N A, it says.
I don’t know that you can back up your conjecture that Jake, had he been in there the last 2 games, would’ve matched Moore’s numbers. Actually, there have only been 2 times in Jake’s long tenure as Panther starting QB, where he’s EVER had back-to-back 3 TD games, and one of them (in ‘07, before his unfortunate injury) had him throwing a pick, which Moore hasn’t done. Other than that, you have to go back all the way to 2004, when he matched Moore’s 3-0, 3-0 games. So twice, in 7 years, isn’t like it’s a trend for Jake to play as well as Moore has.
It’s sad that you can’t bring yourself to give credit where credit is due, even with each successive game proving your original statements that Moore is only 3rd string, lucky, whatever — wrong. If you are really a Panther supporter, join the jubilation — maybe this team’s got a chance to bounce back big next year. Seriously, join us.
Three-TD games are not made equal.
When one of those three in each game has been a one-yarder, I’d say why not give some TDs to Delhomme last year for all of Williams’ and Stewart’s one-yard rushing TDs. I’m certainly a Panther supporter, but I don’t think the team can’t bounce back with Delhomme at the helm. In fact, every time he’s QBed one of these non-winning teams, he’s led us to plenty of success the very next year.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
WHY WHY WHY
I keep asking you the same question and you continue to ignore it because you have no actual relevant info. what has jake done in the last 24 months that makes you think he can bounce back? that is a legitimate question that i have asked you before. you can say all you want about moore, but the fact is that moore is playing great football right now. not four years ago, or in 2008, but right now. what has jake done since week 16 of the 2008 season that makes you think he can still be a quality starting QB?
by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
He's quarterbacked a 12-win team that won the division.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
and i quote myself
what has jake done in the last 24 months that makes you think he can bounce back? In Jan of 2008 he lost the game for us. We are now just a couple days from Jan, 2010. So since the Arizona game, what has jake done that makes you think he can bounce back? and what really makes you seem so silly is that you are always a little anal punk about word choice. you never let anything slip by. for example, someone said practice team instead of practice squad, and you were all over that. now you just happen to not notice the time period my question addressed. you aren’t slick.
by usana_gaines on Dec 29, 2009 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
He is only hopeful that Delhomme can bounce back
He has nothing else to go on and can’t predict the future. I could continue your argument though usana:
Did Jake bounce back after the AZ game? No…reference Eagles game. Did he bounce back after Eagles game? No, reference Cowboys and Falcons games. In fact his ‘bounce back’ resulted in a 4-7 record.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Isn't this a what have you done for me lately league?
And the season was already in the tank when Moore took over thanks in part to Jake’s wonderful service.
And yes this was meant as a reply to you MP...still learning to click the reply button lol
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
It's ok.
The bottom of the page entries are always a pain because the box is already there. And if it’s a what have you done for me lately league, we should certainly be looking for a kicker, like, now. Kasay’s been among the more poor regular kickers in the league. And the Buffalo game, which has largely been blamed on Delhomme, could have been totally different had he not shanked two FGs inside of 45 yards. With those two, we take a lead into the half, and go up four with a drive that ended on fourth down early in the third quarter. Haven’t heard many calling for his head.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
And thanks also in part to plenty of other letdowns up and down the roster.
Let’s not pretend that Delhomme was the only part of an otherwise perfect team that was underperforming. The defense couldn’t even pretend to stop anybody for the first three games, special teams have been bad all season, and the OL has had games (like Philly and Washington) where they could not get anything together to save their life.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
point disregarded
you don’t get it, which is why your point is irrelevant. so many people on this blog have pointed out so many flaws in this panthers team throughout the season. we all have seen the same games except for one notable absence. it seems you have never seen jake have a bad game that he is actually responsible for. you refuse to blame jake for anything that he has screwed up over the season. people want objectivity, and you seem to have none. no one says jake has never done anything for us, and none of us are ready to give moore the team mvp trophy, but you refuse to admit that jake played horrible football this year. since it is a well known fact by everyone else that jake stunk it up this year, your arguments against that fact are absurd. so here’s a question for you, has moore done anything at all this year that you can say something positive about?
by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
"In short, I understand that the turnovers by Delhomme hurt this team badly"
So hmm…how exactly is that me “resfusing to blame jake for anything that he has screwed up this season?” Yeah, thought so. But I bet I’ll just get a sarcastic answer from you, if I get any answer at all.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and as for Moore...
I was really sad I wasn’t in the live thread to give him props for the beautiful throw that he made to Moose on the TD
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your manufactured hatred for me.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
hatred?
nah, that would indicate that I gave a shit.
You'll note I wasn't talking to you.
But nice to see you care.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 29, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
And thanks also in part to plenty of other letdowns up and down the roster.
Let’s not pretend that Delhomme was the only part of an otherwise perfect team that was underperforming. The defense couldn’t even pretend to stop anybody for the first three games, special teams have been bad all season, and the OL has had games (like Philly and Washington) where they could not get anything together to save their life.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
So now we're "the masses", and worse, we're "asses"
Well, having a law professor explains a lot. Good luck in your career of cross-examination.
Objection, your honor!
Aye
I guess we aren’t getting all those quotes now :/
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not pretending that all that hadn't happened.
But a good QB finds a way to win despite circumstances like that (besides playing D of course). The team has hit its stride with Moore. He is winning ball games, building confidence in teammates and probably the coaching staff and what seems to be most fans. And I also think this is valid. Jake is not getting younger. His arm was fading fast. He’s never been all that great at moving anyway. Even if he can still make the right read his body is gonna start letting him down, like it has at times this year. He’s soon to be 35 and never had a lot of physical talent to begin with. He’s not a Brett Farve or heck, even a Vinnie Testerverde. Nature is taking course with him. Why not see what the future may hold rather than begrudge every bit of progress it makes? For gosh sakes Matt is winning games lol. Be happy dude!
Did you ever see Julius Peppers react to Jake after a TD pass like he did to Moore?
There’s a lot to read into that gesture of joy, from Peppers being happy to be here, to being happy that they’ve found a QB that delivers.
Aha...
So we’re playing amateur psychologist about a player’s facial expressions to determine who should be the starting QB? LOL. Why don’t we survey the correlation between haircuts and good play? It’s just as relevant.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I guess there is some difference facially
Between staring on while your QB throws another pick or looking fairly happy when you QB throws a td. :P
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It was more than a facial expression
You’re on record in the past as calling pout Peppers for his “goofy” expression — just as with Phil Mickelson or Hines Ward, for examples, Peppers just has one of those faces that seems to be smiling, when relaxed — it’s their normal facial expression.
I wasn’t referring to that, but rather to the joyful celebration that Pep came out with, after Moore tossed one of his TDs yesterday. As I plan on watching the game again later today, I’ll insert here when that was.
There are all manner of sideline celebrations in the NFL, dances, hi 5’s, chest bumps, etc. — don’t know that I’ve ever seen Pep offer one up like that to ANYBODY — including and maybe especially Delhomme, even after all the dozens and dozens of TDs that you can recall Delhomme throwing.
Mark my words; Peppers will be back next year, so prepare yourself for it. I predict (amateur sleuth that I am) a renegotiated L/T contract that all can live with. And even if I’m wrong, and Peppers goes, at least he was happy to be a Panther for that golden moment.
Moments like that
Make me proud of my Peppers jersey
by Twist Of Cain on Dec 28, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I sit eight rows up from our bench on the 35.
I’ve personally seen Peppers can get fired up on the sidelines when he wants (although I certainly can’t site photographic evidence or anything like it), and that’s never really my problem. My problem is when he’s smiling on the field when we’re down two scores and he’s going through the motions.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 28, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever seen him frown?
I doubt he could — his face just isn’t built for it. He’s a natural smiler — doesn’t mean he’s happy about something. But pounding your QB on the head in celebration certainly does.
Reaction
It doesn’t take a fictional Professor X or even a non-fictional Adler or Otto Kernberg to recognize that Peppers was excited and happy about the play of Moore. Recognizing happiness or joy doesn’t take an expert, it just takes personal experience. After following your posts for quite some time and not saying anything, I’m just going to point out maybe that is why you seem incapable of recognizing it(joy) Michael.
by adamwanderer on Dec 28, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Peppers' joyous and excited reaction to Moore's TD pass
It was at 5:35, 2nd period, after Moore hit Moose with a perfectly led throw to the end zone for the TD to go up 16-0.
If you’ve recorded the game, go back and see if you’ve seen that kind if excitement from a guy who isn’t totally focused on being a team player — or put another way, from a guy who wants to be playing with another team the next year.
i repeat
MP, you don’t get it, which is why your point is irrelevant. so many people on this blog have pointed out so many flaws in this panthers team throughout the season. we all have seen the same games except for one notable absence. it seems you have never seen jake have a bad game that he is actually responsible for. you refuse to blame jake for anything that he has screwed up over the season. people want objectivity, and you seem to have none. no one says jake has never done anything for us, and none of us are ready to give moore the team mvp trophy, but you refuse to admit that jake played horrible football this year. since it is a well known fact by everyone else that jake stunk it up this year, your arguments against that fact are absurd. so here’s a question for you, has moore done anything at all this year that you can say something positive about?
by usana_gaines on Dec 28, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
And for the record
I am not yet saying Moore could be a great franchise QB or anything but I’d rather go with him than a guy who is rapidly declining.
This
I love Jake as a quarterback, but I don’t think he is even the same QB as last year. You’ll notice MP, I am not one of the Jake bashers. I would have benched him after NY, because at that point he was just chucking the ball up and praying, with predictable results. I stuck with him through most of the crap, but at some point you have to let go. He’s not the same QB, and I don’t think he will ever be. He has done some great things, but it’s time for Matt Moore to build his legacy, good or bad.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 29, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Quote from Moose....
Said Muhammad when asked if Moore had put himself into a viable position to be the starter in 2010: “I don’t see why anybody would say anything different. … He’s made some really, really good throws – deep balls, crossing routes, everything the coaching staff has asked him to do.”
I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.
98.5 QB rating for Moore this year.
From tonight’s Panthers website:
“Moore Matt Under Center: Quarterback Matt Moore completed 14-of-23 passes for 162 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions to produce a 96.6 quarterback rating. He threw a 30-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett in the second quarter. Moore completed 85-of-138 passes for 1,053 yards and eight touchdowns with two interceptions to produce a 98.5 quarterback rating in seven games with five starts this season.
In eight career starts, including the last three games of the 2007 season and the final five games of the 2009 campaign, Moore has posted a 6-2 record as a starter. Seven of his eight starts have come against teams with winning records with the exception being Tampa Bay (12/6/09). In those eight starts, Moore has completed 128-of-205 passes for 1,554 yards and 11 touchdowns with three interceptions to generate a 97.5 quarterback rating."
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