what has impressed you most?
by usana_gaines on Dec 21, 2009 3:51 PM EST
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This season has been very hectic and often painful. As I look at what we've done, I wonder if any of you are truly impressed by anything that's happened this year, or by anyone's individual effort. Who has made plays that you didn't expect, or who is making an impression that you never heard of before? Who looks like they've earned a real shot to compete next year? And does anyone deserve a pro bowl nod? Here are my thoughts on the season, and like pro bowl votes, you have to make up your mind with two games left in the season.
Then there is the defense. A lot of people said Chris Harris looked soft and weak in the preseason. Well that talk stopped in the regular season. Marshall has shown he can definitely be a starter in this league, and we may have some competition at FS with Godfrey and Martin. Also, James Anderson may deserve to start next year opposite Davis. Our D-Line has been outstanding as well, with Pep showing that he is an elite DE in this league, and I think his injury is the only reason he's not one of the league leaders in sacks this year. Overall, I'm impressed the most with the way we've been able to fill all the holes created by injuries and still compete in this league. That says a lot about our coaching staff and GM.
Let me know what you think?
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if we give moore the job next season
we can get back to playing the carolina ball weve all missed so dearly. last night was just a taste
by carolinabrave89 on Dec 21, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions
The Carolina ball like in Foxboro?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, like your boy Delhomme -- that's Carolina Ball
At this point in the season, Moore has 56 completions in 95 throws, 59%, 4 TD’s, 2 INT’s, a PR of 88.0, and a YPC of 7.58 yds.
Delhomme has 178 for 321, 55%, 8 TD’s, 18 INT’s, a PR of 59.4, and a YPC of 6.28 yds.
Though you’re fond of saying one game doesn’t mean anything, let’s compare Jake’s best outing of the year, vs Atlanta 11/15/09: he was 15 for 24, 195 yds, 2 TD’s, 0 INT’s, PR of 115.8. Not a single one of those stats, in his best game of the year, exceeds any of the comparable numbers that Moore just put up against a far better team than Atlanta.
In that game, Jake completed 62.5% of his passes, for 8.1 YPC — Moore had 9.1 YPC, and a PR of 123.2.
So yeah, I’d say that Moore better represents the “Carolina Ball” that most fans would like to see.
i agree
jake sucks and should be cut at the end of the season. do we really have any reason to believe he will play better when he comes back? is there any reason to believe that jake can outperform moore at this point? no.
by usana_gaines on Dec 21, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
we owe him money anways
might as well keep a good leader and capable backup that knows the playbook better than anyone (only his ability to execute is in question)
You're right.
We should definitely pay him $13 million to walk out the door and play solid football for another team. Great idea.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
solid football?
jake is not going to play solid football anywhere. what makes you think he’ll ever play solid football again? i’d rather pay him and cut him and move on than have him be a distraction, the same way the pack got rid of favre. obviously the pack decided it was time to move on, and they made the right choice. we need to do the same.
by usana_gaines on Dec 22, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
They did?
They haven’t made the playoffs without Favre yet. And they also didn’t eat seven figures to let him go.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'M AN IDIOT
obviously procton knows more than anyone else about everything else. i thought that when the coach named rodgers the starter and said it was time for the team to move on and in a different direction, i thought what he meant was, well, what he said. but procton knows better. please tell me what you figured out about the situation that i didn’t. and them trading him is why they didn’t pay seven figures, but nobody except you is willing to pay that much for jake. you honestly think it helps the team to have a guy on the bench who cost us so many games, and costs more than anyone else except pep? explain, your geniusness, how that is such a great idea, and remind me why i am so clueless compared to you. but wait, there’s more, the packers will make the playoffs this year, and when they missed the playoffs, i’m sure it was because rodgers sucked, and going with the back-up is always the problem. rodgers threw for over 4,000 yards and had a qb rating of 93.8. the word jake-lovers use to describe such stats is fantasy, because jake never played that well, and never will. and clearly his 28 tds to 13 ints last year, and 28 to 7 ratio this year are nothing compared to jake’s 8 td to 18 interception clutch, MVP performance. seriously, you look really silly trying to scrounge for facts to support your arguments based on nothing. the pack didn’t pay because they could trade brett, we can’t trade jakesux.
by usana_gaines on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
I’m sorry guys, but I agree with Procton (as much as I hate to say it) that Matt Moore isn’t the answer. If you looked at possessions for the Car/Min game, we had way too many 3-and-outs (don’t know the percentage exactly, but was told 74%). Also, I never saw Matt Moore drive us down the field, it was more of Steve Smith and Barnidge making great plays. I tried to express this before, but we shouldn’t settle for a QB like Moore. Matt Moore will not win you football games.
I’m a firm believer that every year, a team’s goal should be to win the title. And I honestly don’t think Matt Moore is that guy. That being said, Jake is not the answer neither. We need to pony up and pay for a good QB.
Another side note, Procton is the biggest Panther douche on the planet. Everything Procton has said has been negative towards another fan. Try to at least be supportive because we are all rooting for the same team.
Fine.
Let’s do another comparison: best career games.
Moore’s was last night.
Jake’s was against Minnesota in 2005: 21-30 (70%), 341 yds., 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 141.1 rating, 11.4 YPA (let’s try and do it properly if we’re going to quote stats) Not a single one of Moore’s stats are better than Delhomme’s. And so there’s your single-game trump card. No less relevant.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Quite a bit less relevant, actually
If Jake’s best game was FOUR YEARS AGO, does that not disprove your entire argument that he’s the best we’ve got? Seems to any logical thinking individual (which you pretend to be, but your incurable biases can’t be overcome) would conclude that — if one’s best production is FOUR YEARS OLD, then it’s time to hang it up.
Your specious argument is akin to saying let’s bring back Stephen Davis, because he gained 178 yds against N.O. on 10/26/03.
Go get some sleep — you’re losing your grasp on reality.
It doesn't matter. A single game doesn't define a player's skillset or abilities.
Show me Matt Moore winning a game (not even playing well) when both teams have something on the line, and you’ll have yourself an argument.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
jake
seriously, you have this ridiculous jake bias based on nothing relevant. i don’t know where you work, but if your best day, your peak, was four years ago, you might be on the way to getting fired. why do you think jake will play good football again in this league? quit dogging moore, who has a qb rating this year of 88, and come up with why you think jake can still play.
by usana_gaines on Dec 22, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't work - never has
He’s a student — trying for debater of the year.
I don't buy the "something to play for" argument either
These guys are professionals who have plenty to play for every week no matter what their record. Steve Smith sums it up well:
“The bottom line is we play this game but it’s also our job,” says Smith. “There are a lot of men in there (the locker room) and there are a lot of young men in there and this is their lifelong dream. This game means more to them than you can explain with words.”
They play hard regardless of record or playoff opportunity because people pay good money to watch them play.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
I'm with Jaxon on this one.
The Panthers are playing to retain their jobs and prove their worth, fighting for more playing time, a bigger role etc. (especially the guys thrust into starting positions due to injury)
The Vikings were fighting for the #1. The more I hear about the purported Favre benching the less I think they simply ‘gave up’ and more that they were trying desperately to get something to happen, to provide a spark.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 22, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Vikings had something on the line -- the #2 seed!
Why do you always ignore that? Just because the Panthers, only playing for pride, totally dominated them in the second half, doesn’t mitigate the severity of the loss the Vikings suffered.
There’s my argument. You got one to match it?
The Vikings losing the #2 seed is an exceptionally unlikely scenario.
Before the game, they had over a 90% chance of locking up that spot, regardless of anything Philly did. They were more interested in resting their players than winning the game. Isn’t that proof enough?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
90%?
You sure it wasn’t 83%, or 91.6%, or maybe 72.8%? 90 on the nose, huh?
Where do you get this stuff?
Before the game, they also had a chance at getting the #1 spot, after N.O. had been beaten. I’d say that was plenty to play for. And who exactly did they rest, other than McKinney, who got benched for his turnstile effort at LDT? Favre didn’t want to be “rested”, did he?
I know it’s hard for you to allow any praise for Moore’s effort, or Peppers, because to do so would go against everything you hold holy, so to avoid it, you have to make up stuff like the game was meaningless to Minny, and they didn’t care, hence they gave us the game and our guys efforts don’t really count, blah, blah, blah.
Get a good night’s sleep, kid, and we’ll go at it again tomorrow, if you’re up to it — but be advised, you’re still out of your depth with me.
Sportsclubstats.com
Check it out. You might learn something. And I’ve said repeatedly that Peppers had a fine game. But don’t worry about htat.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Not impressed at all
Show us the page where they say 90%
You can't.
The game’s already been played. However, they’re still at over an 80% chance to get the #2, even with the loss.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and I need help with another abbreviation.
When was McKinney playing on defense? Or is that left dressed tackle? Or learning disabled tackle?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Typo police got me!
No D, just LT
Way to deflect away from a point you can’t refute. Jerk
Zero, because he's a primadonna and refused to allow it.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
So they only tried to rest one guy?
Must mean the game mattered.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 24, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
And that wasn't for "rest" anyway
Chilly said he was getting killed — a polite way of saying they needed more mobility back there to avoid our rush.
Assuming Richardson doesn’t let Fox go, which I don’t think he will but it could happen, then I think Moore should be up for starter next year. He is the type of QB that Fox likes: he can hand the ball off and throw a deep ball. Plus with a full off-season and training camp to work out and work with the first string I think he’ll be a lot better.
Most impressive players of 2009, in order:
1. Smitty…its not even close
2. DeAngelo Williams – his break away ability is rivaled by few.
3. Jonathan Stewart – Nothing warms the heart like a RB that likes to break tackles
4. Chris Gamble – Though he earns his name honestly at times (Gamble) he has made some very nice plays on the ball
5. Jon Beason – H earns his nickname “Beaston” on a weekly basis
6. Julius Peppers – He would be at the top of this list if he played every week like he did against the Vikings.
7. Dante Rosario – He has put some sweet catches, including a couple one-handers
8. Thomas Davis – The tackling machine would be higher on this list as well if not for a mid-season injury
9. Chris Harris – The defense missed its signal caller the first two weeks of the season (and his Hitman persona)
10. Captain Munnerlyn – The rookie 7th round pick CB/PR has earned the trust of the coaches and plays bigger than his 5’8" frame would suggest
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
...and Ryan Kalil
3rd highest ranked center in the game
According to the mystical profootballfocus rankings?
He’s a great center, but since when are we making up stats that purport to quantify OL performance?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
blah blah blah
can’t wait until the haterade runs out and you can actually post a positive comment that does not insult or degrade someone else’s opinion.
by usana_gaines on Dec 22, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
So now you can rate the Raters, huh?
You tell us the Dallas Morning News Rick Gosselin is “highly respected” because he used to be a Cowboys beat writer, and makes up some crap ranking 22 ST skills…
…and then denigrate the ProFootballFocus staff, when all they do is study every play of every game, and rate every player on the field as to their performance on that play?
You are the single most arrogant person I think I’ve ever come in contact with.
Have you ever studied Ryan Kalil’s blocking techniques? The guy’s Goooooood.
I thought of Kalil
but when I think of “impressive” it includes a wow factor that you don’t get from watching a center. It has to do with all o-line positions, its hard to appreciate them. Being the 3rd rated center is impressive but doesn’t necessarily ‘wow’ me on game day. Just my opinion though
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Center is one of those funny positions
You don’t ever pay attention to one unless they screw something up.
C’s a better seen and not heard.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 22, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
even with the injury
i think thomas davis should be higher… he was definitely playing for a pretty pay increase
hmmm
Gamble above Beason? and although injured, i would’ve had to say the emergence of Thomas Davis maybe bumps him up a few IMO…
Yeah, but it took some of the shine off to see Beason playing second fiddle to Davis for the early part of the year.
Gamble’s stepped up in a year where we had no other experienced/established cover players in our secondary coming back.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The whole team didn't QUIT!
I even had the panthers losing against the vikings but I was glad to be proven wrong! Smith said it best, “The bottom line is we play this game, but it’s also our job…..These are dreams and opportunities.” He’s grateful to be an NFL receiver and one of the NFLs best, you can always count on #89 to give 100%.
Die hard Carolina Panther Fan, from sunny Southern Cali!
by pantherfan95323 on Dec 22, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply actions
The stars were impressive.
I can go on all day about the work ethic of Steve Smith, D-Lo, Stewie, Beason, etc. but what impressed me most were some young guys, unknowns, and some cast-offs that came in and played very well.
1) Hollis Thomas- What can we say? A cast off from New Orleans that filled our injury filled hole at DT better than we could have expected. Really has stepped up his game since coming here. Has earned himself a future in Carolina.
2) Tyrell Sutton- The rookie out of Northwestern has again proven that diamonds can come from the lesser recognized teams in college football. Sutton has had limited action in a true RB role, but saw some snaps against Minnesota and did not disappoint. He also stepped in at fullback earlier in the year and did an impressive job. He seems to have a work ethic that we value in Carolina, and seems to have solidifed the job at RB3.
3) Captain Munnerlyn- More encouraging play from the youngest members of the team… Captain has come out and played like a 3rd year DB. Between him and Sherrod Martin, our dominant pass defense is looking more and more solid for years to come.
Thomas won't be back.
We have younger, cheaper, and better options.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
Like who? It was musical chairs in that position all season…other than Kemo coming back, Irvin on IR who didnt really prove himself and Lewis, who else is “better” on our current squad than Thomas? Or cheaper?
Really?
Leonard and Tyler, certainly. And hell, maybe even Landri. So that’d be five different options that are better than an aging player who’s going to cost more than a mil at his minimum.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
where's the proof
here you go again trying to prove someone wrong based on garbage arguments. so when have any of those guys played better than thomas this year? you’re so smart. when? you always argue against someone else’s opinion based on your opinion as if your opinion is truthful. you’ve already demonstrated from your pep hate and jake love that you really don’t care about what actually happens on the field.
by usana_gaines on Dec 22, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
When has Thomas played better than any of them?
He’s taken up space. That’s not a hard job to do. We just didn’t have anybody on our roster to do it.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Taking up space!
Now there’s something you are expert about!
"He’s taken up space. That’s not a hard job to do"
Yes, but few can take up space as well as Hollis!
As a fan I go back a long time with with Hollis and its like we always use to say “Hollis has a low center of gravity and thats a talent that can’t be learned.”
I agree that at Hollis’s age its highly questionable whether he’ll be back, but I personally would love to se the loquacious run stuffer back in a Panther uniform next year.
Charlson...
Arguing with MP is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. After a while you realize the pig is enjoying it!. You can’t let it upset you.
This is an old one where I usually insert ‘engineer’ instead of ‘MP’ but it seems to fit.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Nice post - way to keep it on topic.
Big Hollis deserves a lot of credit and appreciation, whether he’s here or not next year is not the question. Sutton has given a great effort every play he’s on the field, even on ST — he should allow us to free a roster spot next year by trading/cutting Mike Goodson, who blew his chance with all the fumbles early on — strong resemblance to DeShaun Foster.
Goodson won't get an offer for pick #256.
And, unfortunately, we’ve burned his PS eligibility because he’s been on the 53 all year. Did the same thing with Hilee Taylor, if anybody has any faith he’ll ever ben an NFL contributor.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is my first year following the Panthers closely so go easy on me; here it goes:
(1)Obviously coming in I knew 89,34 & 28 were were big time players and they have lived up to the rep. I’ve been impressed with our O-line, Rosario, Hoover & Sutton at times.
(2) I knew they were good, but I’ve been surprised by the combined speed and physicality of the Linebackers. Usually you get more of one than the other but these guys are both equally scary and fast.
(3) Ron Meeks, the new system is really taking hold now.
Everyone on the D seems to be stepping up now. This season has been a learning process at times, next season is when we will reap the real benefits.
(4) Jake Delhomme: INT’s aside, I never realized how good he is at the line of scrimmage. He also runs a good no huddle offense, I agree with those on other posts who have expressed the opinion he would make a good coach.
(5) Chris Harris- his presence/absence makes a huge difference, and how cool is it that a player takes the time he does to interact the fans.
(6) I’ve grown to really like John Fox and respect his loyalty to the players (especially after seeing them respond with an effort like Sunday. ) I thought maybe Jake should be benched after Buffalo, but agree with Fox for giving him the shot at payback against Arizona, and staying with him until things went sour again against Miami & the Jets. Injury or not, in retrospect, I think Fox made the QB change at the right time.
(7) Ownership/Front office/GM: The team has assembled some real talent and can manage to stay competitive even in a year when they lose 12 players to IR while facing one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. I hope they stay with Hurney & Fox. There’s too much in place to go nuclear and blow this team up.
(8)The Panther’s pro shop: great service & quick shipping!
(9) And finally, I said this earlier but it bears repeating, the Panther fans are class act and this blog fantastic. The writers here are great, the fan posts are great , the discussions are informative, clean and entertaining and you even have a player contributing. Nice job folks!
good post, paydirt, and welcome
Liked your comment about Hollis’ low center of gravity. Good one. I love the guy’s effort — he chases plays down well beyond the scope of his NT area, too. Hope he’s back next year.
Even agree with jake comment
if we could just work on his reads, and his gun-slinger mentality, maybe he gets back to form.
I think sometimes he just tries to hard… its like as we get older, our head still thinks we can do it, but our body just doesn’t comply!
And at some point, the bad play compounds itself.
He couldn’t have played much worse than he did at times this year. So why not allow him to use this time to hit the reset button and see how things can work. People certainly weren’t complaining after the Atlanta game, when they told him to play like him and make things happen. Amazing how fickle Charlotte fans are.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
And then what happened the next two weeks against NY and Miami?
Atlanta has a poor secondary, Miami did too, but he couldn’t do that to NY. Maybe he is not an elite QB like you appear to paint him as.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 24, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
The OC.......
Jeff Davidson has done a very poor job with the offense and should be fired after the season. A good OC designs an offense centered around key players’ strengths while minimizing their weaknesess. Of course this includes Delhomme and Moore. I think Moore could be a starter if the right offensive coordinator could come along and implement schemes and play-calling that would capitalize on his talents.
Any thoughts?
Chris196
He pretty much did that in the 4th quarter against Minny
I think Davidson has now found what works, with Moore back there. 20 points from our offense in a QUARTER, against a team that had on average only given up 18.6 PER GAME in their first 13 games, is quite a feat.
And add that we had only averaged fewer than 11 PER GAME our previous 3..
Two of which were started by Moore?
I mean, if we’re playing it both ways.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not doing that at all...
It might have taken 11 quarters of Moore’s starting under center, before the right combination of play calls started to click, but click they did — and that’s better than taking 32 quarters to find something, or scoring 20 in a quarter against TB, and not being able to do it against a playoff team. If it was a fluke, and we never score like that again, so be it. But right now, I see it as quite encouraging, going forward.
Sure, one quarter is a short-term sample, but since it’s the most recent example of how our offense can play (and I don’t have to remind YOU that Williams, Gross, and Otah were not in the game), it could be starting a new trend.
It’s like a stock that’s been trading with little volume, between 11 and 12, for a month or so, then all of a sudden, the volume quadruples, and it breaks out one day to 13 1/2. Now maybe it has to consolidate by trading back awhile to 12, but the trend has changed, and it will go higher. (That’s from a broker who started in 1964.)
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