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Panther Paw Prints: Patriots Edition

So was everyone else could off guard with the sudden brew ha ha involving the Panthers? I mean, a Panther players actually said something in a post-game interview that was slightly controversial. We aren't used to this type of controversy are we? I found Tom brady's rebuttal more ahrd hitting than that by Bilichick:

Tom Brady defends Randy Moss, deflects criticism of effort - ESPN Boston

"Everyone takes liberty to say whatever they want to say in a situation like [Sunday]," Brady told WEEI. "I've seen plenty of plays made on Chris Gamble, too, over the course of the season."

From the same link, Gamble was just stating the obvious:


"Some of his body language let me know it was a run, and that's how I got a feel on when to help out on the run," he told ESPNBoston.com. "I think if he came off the ball and had a little Wes Welker in him, you wouldn't know what was coming. That's what I think Moss needs to do -- be like Wes and go hard every play. I'm going to respect him, and every other [defensive back] is going to respect him if he comes off the ball hard."

And some people say Moss is a sure-fire HoFer? He isn't even the best WR on his team at the moment:

Star-divide

Ron Borges’ Patriots Report Card - BostonHerald.com
Welker is the polar opposite, taking more hits than Manny Pacquiao’s sparring partners. He had 10 catches for 105 yards, mostly in the middle of the field, including five for 64 on the go-ahead 96-yard TD drive. Welker was flattened by safety Charles Godfrey to start the drive but held on to the ball. After getting up slowly he had a 13-yard catch the next play to convert on third down and kept finding open spaces in Carolina’s secondary the rest of the half.

Geez did we miss the boat on Welker. I agree with those saying we should run Smith from the slot running Welker type drags and crossing patterns. Seems to make sense but it couldn't be that easy. 

John Fox press conferences are about as insightful as a Delta SkyMall magazine, but I still found myself curious as to what Fox might say this time out given the latest blow to a sour season. As usual Fox gave few real insight into what he is thinking but I have a question. In his journey to avoid blaming any one aspect of the Panthers offense isn't he indicting the coaching staff?

Foxhole: Searching for more offense
Contrary to popular belief I'd like to be able to throw the ball better. The reality is we haven't. There is a lot of moving parts. I don't think it's just the quarterback. That's easy to sit and be critical of. Sometimes I think it's been protection; sometimes I think it's been routes; sometimes I think it's been the throw. That's kind of where it is, and all we can do is try to improve it.

If that many aspects of your offense are misfiring maybe its time for some significant 'firing'! Want some more ammunition, he gives DE Julius Peppers a passing grade for the goose egg (0 tackles) he put up against the Patriots.

Injuries continue piling up after latest defeat | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
"I thought Julius rushed the passer well," Fox said. "(The Patriots') passing game gets rid of the ball fast. I thought, all in all, our pass defense was pretty good. We could have done a little better. I thought we were outstanding on third down; they only converted three of (11). I was a little disappointed in our run defense, but if you go back through the record books, I'm not sure how many games they've been held to 20 and won, but I guarantee you there's not too many times where someone scored 10 and beat them."

I've tried to be patient with Peppers and understand he sees double teams every week but that doesn;t stop the other top DEs int he league.The Patriots were certainly happy with their rookie LT that lined up on Peppers at times:

Patriots journal: Vollmer makes a name for himself with solid play | New England Patriots | projo.com | The Providence Journal
Patriots coach Bill Belichick said he liked what he saw out of Vollmer, who handled Carolina Pro Bowl defensive end Julius Peppers very well when he was in the game. Peppers had only one quarterback hurry and that was against Kaczur. "Sebastian has done a nice job for us this year," Belichick said. "He hasn’t had a great football background compared to some of our other players, but he’s a very smart guy that works hard. He’s got very good talent and he’s a hard worker. He’s picked up a lot of other things that we’ve asked him to do — which are different than what he’s done in the past — pretty quickly. He’s got a good sense of humor. I think he fits in well with the team.

Here's something that did surprise me about Peppers this week, he spoke:

Minutes: Not playing the blame game
"Of course there's disappointment and frustration. I feel like we're a better football team than what our record shows," defensive end Julius Peppers said. "But that doesn't mean anything. The record is what we go by. What I think and how I think the makeup of this team is doesn't really matter. But it's frustrating to know that we could have won a couple of (more) games."

Just a couple more wins? If the season had gone well we'd be what? 7-6? I boatload of inspiration he is not.

If you were wondering about which two players were in motion at the same time it is finally explained, its was where the o-lineman had not settled before the WR went in motion:

Patriots, penalties rain down on Panthers
"A couple of times I'm not sure we were set with our offensive line before motion, and that's what they were getting us on," Fox said. "On one of them, we kind of rushed it, but on one drive, we had a couple of them," added left tackle Travelle Wharton. "I still don't have any idea what was going on. I just know that we were going in a different direction than we needed to go in."

Isn't that some really basic stuff? You can't blame the young QB on that....speaking of young QBs I'm thinking we need a couple more of them.

Darin Gantt's Panthers Blog | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
At the moment, here are the Panthers' personnel priorities entering the offseason: WR/DE (to replace Peppers when they move him out)/another WR/young QB/DT/OL/CB.

I would think we are set at DT but firmly agree we need help at WR. My top 3: QB, WR, OT. Here's one young QB that won't wear Panther blue next year:

Quarterback Jake Locker to return to Washington for senior season - ESPN
"After a great deal of careful thought and deliberation, I have decided to return to Washington and play my senior year," Locker said in a statement. "I am very excited about this team's opportunities and potential for the upcoming season and I am looking forward to being a part of it."

That is one less QB taken between us and Tony Pike (if you think Pike is the guy the Panthers need).

Don't forget this weeks game is the Sunday Night Special against the Vikings. The line opened at +7 for the Panthers and the over/under at 42.5. They must be expecting the Vikings to put up 35 on us.

Minnesota Vikings versus Carolina Panthers NBC TV Sunday Night Pro Football Odds Sports Betting Pick Preview  | TonysPicks.com
The LVSC NFL odds makers have set the opening point spread in this game and the Minnesota Vikings opened as a 7 point road favorite with the over under coming in at 42 ½.

 



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As usual Fox gave few real insight into waht he is thinking but I have a question. In his journey to avoid blaming any one aspect of the Panthers offense isn;t he indicting the coaching staff:

Spot on. The elephant in the room still reeks of offensive coaching.

Fox mentions execution often which is a political manner of saying the players.

But rarely is coaching mentioned, at least insofar as the scheme, gameplaning, etc…

My thought is he knows they messed up big with Davidson and he tries to avoid mention of that by all means necessary until they can ‘quietly’ push him out the door.

I like Fox with regards to defense but if he doesn’t find an OC that can feed him something well designed on the other side or the ball ASAP I think the end of his tenure is fast approaching.

by GuyIncognito on Dec 15, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Uggh...3 typos in one sentence

and you highlight it!….;) …corrected!

Yup, that is the only criticism you will hear from Fox week in and week out: better execution. If the players will only execute the play called then we would never lose. Never mind the numerous plays ARE executed properly but the defense stops it.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Stating the Obvious is Right

I don’t think the Panthers are being whiny. Them losing the game doesn’t arrest their right to voice what everyone else is secretly thinking.
Chris Harris, especially, is a standup guy…Read Chris’ Blog about the game on Locker Blogger.Com
http://www.lockerblogger.com/lockers/ChrisHarris

by Ddrothgirl on Dec 15, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome to the blog Ddrothgirl

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaxon...

I’m sensing a little disgust with the coaching staff from you. Ready for a change?

I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.

by Davejinxer on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

I go back and forth on that...

its just the souring of the season….I’m not ready to ditch Fox unless he refuses to make changes to his staff. Special teams obviously needs a change and I am 100% behind a new OC.

Hurney needs to let Peppers walk (no real choice), bring in a FA QB, draft a QB early and let them all compete. We might have to cross our fingers with Jake for one more season until a kid is ready or a FA can take over. I like the defense once we get our injured players back. Very happy with Meeks, I think getting the DTs back fixes the run D

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 16, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

More Great News

Jeff Otah injured his knee in the game Sunday and it will require surgery, so he has been put on IR. The team has signed another OL Rob Petitti to fill his slot on the roster. They indicated that Geoff Schwartz would replace Otah. What else can go wrong?

by Cwilly1 on Dec 15, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Ya know? I disagree with Peppers… the Panthers aren’t playing better than their record… with the exception of 2 areas:

Defense is doing pretty well… NOT Peppers though. He’s not really showing that he’s showcasing his talents to the rest of the NFL… no one will pay wyat he’s wanting when the season’s over because he’s too much like Jake… inconsistent.

Running backs. They’re awesome and if they actually had a stable offensive line to run behind they’d do even better…

I’m tired of their losing and I’m tired of Fox’s excuses… injuries…

Other teams have injuries and aren’t losing. What’s so different about the Panthers? Oh yeah, that’s right, its the $17million being paid to peppers and not being able to afford the quality backups…

by scorpion12 on Dec 16, 2009 4:28 AM EST reply actions  

PFF.com has Peppers rated..

Among DE’s in a 4-3 receiving 25% or more of total snaps:
Tied for 1st in coverage
14th in pass rush
47th against the rush
18th over all

There are 71 over all.

Charles Johnson is also worth a mention at #23 over all.

I think he appears to be playing worse than he is statistically.. coupled with the fact that we keep losing, and the rest of our team (offense, special teams) is playing like crap, everything gets viewed in a negative light.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 16, 2009 5:04 AM EST reply actions  

#18 overall isn't exactly killing it
  1. in coverage is nice but that’s not really what he is being paid to do….He needs to walk…

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 16, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's what you do with Pep

1) show him the stats, and where he ranks
2) show him a contract equal to the 18th DE salary in the league, and if he doesn’t want to take it,
3) show him the door

by bigdavis on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That's true..

And I do think BigDavis has a great idea but a major part of that 18th ranking is his lack of a run stopping ability.

And I’d assume everyone was well aware that Peppers wasn’t a run stuffer way before he was ever tagged.

I’m not an advocate of keeping Peppers (unless he signs a reasonable contract) but I think people are expecting a bit much from him when being a top 15 pass rusher isn’t enough. After all, he wanted out last season. It was the F.O. that offered that ridiculous deal, he just accepted it. Wouldn’t you all accept it as well? lol

As far as Peppers the man that accepted what was offered to him, I think he’s doing pretty good.

So I’d assume it’s on the F.O. to not offer another stupid deal and Peppers to sign or walk. Either way works for me.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

injuries can't be discounted

isn’t peppers still nursing a broken hand or wrist? if so, that definitely limits some of the moves he can do. as far as his salary, let’s be honest, what does he have to do to be worth $17 million. I mean, a 20 sack season isn’t really worth $17 million. Brady didn’t get anything near that amount for 50 TDs. I think Pep resigns for a smaller contract. Seriously, he’ll never get another one season salary as large as this one. I also don’t believe Pep is dogging it. He is paid to give his best effort, and if his best while injured doesn’t equate to any sacks, then that’s what we paid for. we should’ve thought about that before franchising him and then trading a 1st rd pick for a guy who is our 4th best DE.

However, you have to admit injuries are a factor. The head coach is suppose to overcome them, but we are allowed to speak the truth. We’ve lost All-Pro talent due to injury, as well as other crucial players who haven’t necessarily been All-Pro. Davis, Kemo, Hoover, Pep, L. Johnson, now Otah, Godfrey, a handful of DTs, D-Will missed a game and played hurt, and I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting. I think you just have to be honest and admit that when you lose enough players due to injury, it will cost you some games, and it has for us. That doesn’t mean that Fox should keep his job, but when you talk about firing people, you have to keep that in mind. For me, the biggest issue has been the play calling and allowing Jake to play for long. I think the question is, do we fire Fox and his staff, or just the OC and ST coach?

I think we need to just cut Jake. Let him go. No one will trade for him.

I also think that someone will trade for Vick. I like him, but he won’t make it to Carolina. Campbell has shown some life lately, and maybe if the Redskins fire Zorn, the new coach might decide to keep Campbell. I don’t know who else is out there, but we should give some guys a shot. What’s that young QBs name in Pittsburgh who played at Oregon? I’d like to give him a shot, Armanti Edwards, Tebow, whoever…just make it a REAL competition where the best performer is named the starter.

Also, has Sutton performed well enough that we might give him more carries in the next month and trade J-Stew? That’s not a rumor or anything, just something I thought of as I wish we could trade up and get the DT from Nebraska, Suh, and a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

by usana_gaines on Dec 16, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Like I said above..

I view Peppers as a man that simply accepted what was offered to him.

He wanted out, all we had to do was let him go. Instead, they offered him that contract. He would’ve been crazy not to accept it. I blame the front office, not Peppers himself.

Agree’d. Agree’d. Agree’d.

I just couldn’t trade Stewart. Sutton has shown great abilities and could be a great back up (heck, I wouldn’t even be scared if he had to start a game for some reason) but I can only imagine getting rid of Stewart to have Williams get injured in week 2 and leave us with Sutton and Goodson. While I wouldn’t be scared of him starting a game, I’d really be worried if he had to start multiple games, possibly the rest of the season, meanwhile splitting carries with Goodson who may or may not turn the ball over every first down. I might be a little paranoid but we aren’t strangers to having injuries screw with our season.

Helpful reminder for James at seasons end: 2nd Rnd CSR Fan Draft Pick.

by D-Ranged1 on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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