Trade to Detroit?
I've just gotten back from weightlifting and the first thing i did was to check and see if any interesting news has appeared and there was one thing that i noticed.
The Detroit Lions RB Kevin Smith is injured and out for the season.
At first it didn't hit me, then i thought about it, What if we trade one of Our Running Backs for Detroit's 2010 Draft Picks.
We Have Quality Running Backs that are Certainly worth 1st-2nd Round Draft Picks.
Its Just Which One,What i know for a fact is that Detroit is now looking for a Running Back and we have an Abundance of Capable Backs that we can use.
What do you guys think?
More specifically Which Back and What other picks/players
I personally have no idea.... All four of them are pieces of our offense lol.
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d-will and j-stew are too important
maybe get that 1st round draft pick and calvin johnson… then i’d go for it lol
by vitzeng on Dec 14, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trade them Goodson if they'll take him.
Could maybe get a 3rd round pick?
by kilgore_trout on Dec 14, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...for a guy who hasn't played at all and fell behind an undrafted FA?
I’m thinking maybe a 7th, but probably not.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 14, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Lions were willing to part with Calvin Johnson I would send them J-Stew
I never think they’d do it… ever… especially with a young QB in Stafford, but after all this is Detroit.
It would hurt us short term, but long term Johnson is a #1 receiver and an answer at the position for another 6 years. Spell DeAngelo with Sutton and use the 2010 third rounder on another running back.
We can use the 2nd round pick to address either DL or QB. If we get a QB what better situation to walk into than having Steve Smith and Calvin Johnson?
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by James The Aussie on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To give up Stew
It would have to be a first round pick for us to give up Stew. I understand the desire for Johnson but we need a franchise QB more than anything else. We can get a good receiver in the second or third rounds. But first we need someone that can evaluate and develop players in the draft process.
by Cwilly1 on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd easily take Johnson for Stewart
Not saying that we need a receiver but Johnson IMO is a top WR in this league. If we still have D-will I’d part with Stew in a second to get Calvin.
But all of this is really unecessary talk – it’s not going to happen. I seriously doubt they would even consider trading Johnson.
by R-F on Dec 14, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calvin Johnson is worth WAY more than a first rounder.
Johnson will be an All-Pro for years to come. A first-rounder could potentially never produce anything.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 14, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting a first rounder from Detroit with the idea of getting a QB means you want either Clausen or Bradford... I don't like either honestly.
Make no mistake, Calvin Johnson isn’t just ‘a good wide receiver’ he’s a top 5 wide receiver.
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by James The Aussie on Dec 14, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pull a Ditka for Calvin
the whole draft ;)….but I am obviously biased.
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by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do that, when Bebe Thomas might be better...?
Just draft him….
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by NaGaNole on Dec 15, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love bebe too but he's no Calvin
Bebe will have to work on his route running to make it in the NFL. All GT throws him is either the smoke plays or the streaks down the sideline. Though both plays work well I imagine there is a reason he doesn’t get many crossing routes or double moves, etc…
Of course, we only throw the ball 10 times a game if that.
Bebe could be the next Moose!
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by Jaxon on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing gets between Jaxon and his Calvin
evidently.
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by James The Aussie on Dec 15, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...I couldn't have said it any better!
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by Jaxon on Dec 18, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There isn’t much I wouldn’t give up to have Megatron on the Panthers. The thought of him and Steve Smith lining up side by side. Who the hell do you double cover? Can you imagine the damage double trouble could do? Would we need a new QB at all???
by Tater596 on Dec 15, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Smith is out for the season
And he will be back next year…..so why would the Lions trade us their very high draft picks? Why would we even be willing to make such a trade?
I’m not entirely sure I understand where you were going with this…..but if you meant Goodson or someone than yeah I could see him being traded but I’m not sure why the Lions would want him.
I’m happy with our RB’s and they are valuable parts of our run-oriented offense. Unless we switch offenses I see no reason to make a trade.
by R-F on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Lions have nothing to play for
why trade picks for just three games?
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by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't make a trade anyway.
We’re months past the deadline.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 15, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a crazy thought....
Are two powerhouse running backs for picks or/and roy williams? NEVER! The reason you draft young backs is to develop them into threats as we did with williams and stewart. Yeah we need a QB but don’t give away are running game. That would be taking a giant step backwards. I would suggest giving up a WR for a WR or shop jarrett and late rd picks, Smith needs help.
by pantherfan95323 on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, maybe I'm slow on the uptake.
What does Roy Williams have to do with this scenario? Williams is on the Cowboys.
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by James The Aussie on Dec 14, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit!!!
I was thinking of Calvin Johnson. I forgot Roy Williams was traded….that’s how much of a big impact he’s making in Dallas, I forgot he was on the cowgirls!
by pantherfan95323 on Dec 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is all irrelevant
Trading deadline has passed.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 15, 2009 3:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we could stick happy pills in the owner/GM's coffee.
And trade Goodson and Sutton for there 1st rounder.
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by chinchillas sword on Dec 15, 2009 5:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
An offseason move
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by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could sign and trade Thomas Davis
Big trades just aren’t in the Panthers MO. The biggest move will be letting Peppers walk to clear up some money, then I bet the Panthers go after a vet QB, mid-twenties type of guy.
Then draft a WR, kick returner, LB, LT CB. With our injured starters back, an easier schedule against the NFC West and AFC North and we will be competitive again
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by Jaxon on Dec 15, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let Peppers walk and sign Campbell...
and draft a WR in the 2nd round … sounds like a great plan to me.
I don’t know about you guys, but I am starting to like Sutton at KR — he’s done pretty decent in the limited time he’s been returning kicks. If we could teach Goodson to hang on to the ball we could have a deadly combination at KR for the next 3-5 years.
by bwsmith25 on Dec 15, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would let Peppers walk way before I would lose Davis.
by Cwilly1 on Dec 15, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS!!!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+100...must re-sign Davis
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by Jaxon on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could sign Brandon Marshall in FA.
And have Smitty deck him and set him straight.
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by chinchillas sword on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol...I would love to have Marshall
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by Jaxon on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems too many of you have some screws loose..
by tarheelfan on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that before....
Simply wishful thinking can you imagine that though? Smitty and Marshall.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Dec 16, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what happens when your #1 QB
tanks the season by throwing 18 INTs
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by Jaxon on Dec 18, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And your WRs who ran wrong routes and your TEs who had balls in their hands turn into INTs and your OLs who couldn't form a pocket...
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And your QB throws 18 INT"s
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jonathan stewart
The Panthers cannot afford to keep both J Stew and D Will. In 2011 J Stew will come up on a huge contract and we will not be able to pay them both.I strongly belive we will trade J Stew for a 1st round to either Lions or redskins or anyone else.
Sutton has proved that he could be a good viable and cheap option for us to use.
Specially if we decide to draft a QB, we will also draft a WR. We canot afford to be a one dimensional attack. It will never take us to a super bowl.
by Indian Panther on Dec 15, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To clarify their situations:
- Stewart signed a 5 year rookie contract in 2008. Negotiations do not need up begin until the 2013 season
- Williams signed a 5 year rookie contract in 2006. Negotions do not need to begin until the 2011 season
We can pay them both very easily. Williams will require alot of money for 2011 and on, but realistically we wont need to worry about both of their contracts until the 2013 season when Stewart’s is up.
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by James The Aussie on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign...
Antonio Pittman.
Problem solved… Cheap.
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 15, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A guy who couldn't make the Rams and isn't even on a PRACTICE SQUAD?
What problem would he solve, precisely?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 15, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"What problem..."
Okay, here we go…
A: Detroit’s starting back had an injury.
There, that’s it. That’s the problem you seem to be having trouble with.
The idea that Detroit may look to get another back is unlikely but we contemplate it anyways for the benefit of discussion.
As far what it solves and Antonio “Procton said I suck so I’ll never be anything” Pittman.
During his time in the NFL, he maintained a higher per carry average in the NFL than Kevin Smith has.
His average is also in line with Marshawn Lynch, Lawrence Maroney, Ladell Betts, Jason Snelling, Justin Fargas, Cadillac Williams, Joseph Addai and ahead of Rock Cartwright, Jamal Lewis, Derek Ward, LenDale White, Matt Forte, Willie Parker, Steve Slaton, Darren Sproles, LaDanian Tomlinson, Darren McFadden, and the list goes on.
I appreciate your “if they’re not in the NFL they suck” attitude but I don’t have so much faith in the NFL gods as to properly judge every single player in the world and their capabilities.
Statistically, in the NFL, he is better than their starter and back-up. Their third string back carries a higher average but only has 21 carries, thus I would not yet consider him proven. He’s not going to lead the league in yards or touchdowns but he is going to perform up to par and force Kevin Smith to step it up next season if he wants to remain the starter.
Sometimes I wonder if you’re thinking or just disagreeing to pass the time ;)
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 15, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I mention...
Cheap?
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 15, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And here we go right back.
During his time in the NFL, he maintained a higher per carry average in the NFL than Kevin Smith has.
Uhh…nope. Pittman: 3.7 YPC Smith: 3.8 YPC
Regardless, though, YPC doesn’t define a player’s ability. If it did, Corell Buckhalter would be one of the best three backs in the league, and Jamaal Charles would be right on his heels.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3.4 for this season..
Is what I was comparing. Smiths current season with Pittmans last played season.
You are correct but what better indicator? For me, the most important thing is to know how many yards the guy is going to grind out when you hand him the ball, on average. Most other stats can be obscured. Touchdowns obscured by teams that pass or run more, or teams that just have a goal line preference. Total yards obscured by the amount of carries. So on and so on.
I know it’s not definitive but I believe it’s enough to say Pittman would serve as a valuable back up and even put up a fight for the starting job in a place like Detroit, that really doesn’t have its footing anyways.
I wouldn’t doubt either of those backs at the moment. Knowing that Charles would average me 5+ yards a carry so long as I played smart makes him very valuable.
At the end of the day, I just want to know what they are going to give me when I give them the ball. So, in my opinion, I feel the avg YPC is a great place to start.
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 16, 2009 3:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If that's your opinion, I just won't convince you.
You think Jamaal Charles and Corell Buckhalter are top five backs in the NFL.

Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re currently contributing to their team as a top five back would. You may be struck by star power and big names (or I just don’t understand what you’re going off of) but I’m struck by who’s doing what each moment to help their team win.
If these two no name guys are going out there and putting up a 5+ ypc average game in, game out for the most of it, why would you deny that they are beneficial to their team? Speed, agility, vision, etc… All of the variables I can think of in a back all lead to one thing.. enabling him to get more yardage out of every touch.. Ball security is the only one I can think of that doesn’t end up breaking down to “get more yards”.
Isn’t a running back defined by how many yards he gets in a season? The first thing you hear is “_ rushed for #### in ####”. I just like to see the average to see if they did it on 200 carries or 250.
I’m just saying I’d rather take a guy that will give me 5 yards per carry than take a big name that gives me less. If he produces, I can’t say much more than the guy produces.
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm struck by consistency and ability.
If you have watched both Antonio Pittman and Kevin Smith play in college and the NFL, you don’t need to look at stats to know that Smith is the better back. He did more in college with inferior talent around him, and he had a great rookie year last year on an awful team. He’s played poorly this year because of nagging injuries and the fact that the Lions offense has gone from mediocre to awful, but he’s still a solid player they’re going to rely on. Got nothing to to with star power. It just is what it is.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you that.
That is very much true. It’s still a large leap from college to the NFL, though, and Antonio really hasn’t seen as many snaps in the NFL as I think he should have (to truly evaluate).
I suppose we’re at a nice median now. lol
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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 18, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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