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One Fans Panthers 2009 Mid-Season Report Card

Hey There Panther Fans,

I know you are as down as I about this heartbreaker to the Saints, but thought it would be a good time (since it is the midpoint of our season) to evaluate our team and predict the last half.  Please let me know what you think about my evaluation...too harsh...too lenient... just right?  Also, give me your perspective on things, How do you think this team has played and where do you think this team is headed from here on out???  With that said, here is my....

Carolina Panthers 2009 Mid-Season Report: Evaluation & Prediction

            The Carolina Panthers started their 2009 season off slowly, stumbling early and often.  September was not a good month for the Cats, as they lost to Philly, ATL, and Dallas and could not find their identity.  October was meagerly better, but only because the Panthers faced the easiest teams on their schedule, being Washington, TB, and Buffalo winning the former two and losing to the Bills.  The loss to Buffalo must have stimulated something within this Panther team, because they completely transformed into a different team heading into Arizona.  In Arizona, the Cats pulled out an upset and ran all over the Cards, who were one of the top rush defenses.  Also, the Cats emerged into the #1 Pass defense and #7 Overall defense in the league, which has become a huge surprise.  The Cats carried this momentum into Nola, where they put up a tremendous fight with the best team in the league and came away just a bit shy of a win.  The Panthers at this point in the mid-season are 3-5, and are a lot better than their record shows.  Even though the Cats have a losing record thus far, Panther fans have much to be excited about as this team has played like a playoff contender in the past 2 weeks.

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Offense

            The Panthers offense sputtered early this season, and didn’t really get going until the Arizona game in wk 6.  Early on, the offense line played very poorly as did Jake.  Jake has been much of the criticism for this season, as he has had only 5tds and 13 ints and has been a burden of the team.  Double Trouble also were slow to get rolling, and put up very modest numbers for the first 6 wks.  Smitty, a once feared and dynamic threat, has been suppressed.

            The Panthers O’ in the past two weeks, however, has been radically different.  The Cats have gotten their running game going back to the levels of 2008, as D-Will has ran for about 150 yds per game.  Although the Panthers now have the 3rd best rushing attack in the league, they are almost completely one dimensional.  J-Stew has again been a great complement, as he has a 4.4avg, 4tds, and about 400yds on the ground.  Not much has been seen of Mike Goodson, which is suprising given how much he played in the preseason.  I, for one, thought that Goodson was such a talent and threat that Davidson would introduce some wrinkles into the offense merely to get Goodson involved, but I have been wrong.  Tyrell Sutton, the Panthers 4th back surprisingly saw a little bit of action against the Saints, having 3 runs for 15yds.  The Panthers also have not used the Wildcat, or any trick plays very much, staying with the conservative pound up the middle scheme.  Much of this success on the ground must be attributed to the Offensive line picking up their game as they have created more running space for the backs.

Smitty still hasn’t had a breakout game, and much of that is due to Jake.  In the past two games, the Coaches have changed the philosophy of the offense, pilling up running yards in order to limit Jake’s throws, to limit INTs.  Although no one has been able to stop our running game as of the past 2 games, the Cats have much to improve upon and look terrified to throw the ball.  The ‘Moose’ has been out a couple of games, and Jarrett has filled in adequately for him, his best game being the Saints, in which he had 4 catches for 30 yds.  Although this is not great, and not very good, it is adequate provided that Jarrett has had limited chances to make plays.  Tight Ends have been very useful in both the running game and especially the passing game as Jeff King, Dante Rosario, and Gary Barnidge have added some spark to the passing game. Kenny Moore, although a standout in the preseason, has only had 4 catches for 47 yds, but much of his low productivity can be attributed to his limited playing time.

Overall, the Panthers Offense and running game in particular, although sputtered early, has improved through the first 8 games.  But, if the Cats are to become a playoff caliber team, they have more to improve upon as they must find some passing game and get Smith involved.

Grade: C

Defense

          Although the D was the weaker part of the team at the beginning of the year as they seemed unable to grasp Meeks Tampa 2 system, they have actually come together and have become the stalwart of the team, now being a top ten D and top pass D. 

            Although the pass D has gotten much better, much of the improvement on the D side of the ball has been at the line.  Julius Peppers, although a no-show at the beginning of the year, has upped his game and now has 28tckls, 7scks, and 3 FFs.  At the other end, Tyler Brayton looks much improved from last year and is a contributor in the pass rush, having 25 tckls, 2scks, and 1FF.  On the interior, where the Panthers were woefully inept at the beginning of the year, Hollis Thomas and Tank Tyler have filled in quite nicely for what have been a slew of injuries at the DT position.  Thomas and Tyler have most importantly been able to seal up the interior 2 gap, allowing the LBs to freely bounce around and make critical tackles.  Altogether, D-Lew, Thomas, and Tyler have had 33 tckls from the interior, which is solid considering 2 of them have played only a limited # o’ games.  Everette Brown, the Panthers 1st round pick (well, for what they spent on him) has been limited to some 3rd down plays and has been good thus far for a 3rd down lineman, having 8tckles, 1sck, and 2FFs.  The much overlooked 3rd DE, Charles Johnson, has made a splash in his small amount of playing time as he has racked up 13 tckls, 3scks, and 2FFs.  Overall the Panthers line has been pretty darn good, and Julius Peppers has called it ‘the best rotation’ he has been in yet!

            The ‘Backers have been beyond excellent this year, they are super-awesome tackling machines!  Thomas Davis has really adapted well to Meeks new system, having 61 tckls, 2 INTs and a sack.  Jon Beason hasn’t been a slouch either though, contributing 63 tckls, 2 scks, and an INT.  Diggs also has 16 tckls and a sack, and Anderson having 16tckles and sack.  It is important to note that the Backers have the most tackles of the entire D, which ultimately means that they have been able to stop the run almost by themselves, without much need for the secondary to come down and play a role.

            Although not many thought it at the beginning of the year, the Secondary has surprisingly become great, becoming the #1pass D in wk 8.  Gamble, although has not been ‘lock down’ per se, has been a steady corner accumulating 24 tckls and 1 INT.  Richard Marshall, the past year’s nickel back, has really upped his game as a starter, having 31 tckls and 2 INTs.  Capt. Munnerlyn, the Cats 7th round pick, has been a great surprise at the nickel back position, having 23 tckls and really impressing people with his speed.  Dante Wesley and CJ Wilson have been fine backups and fine fill in CBs thus far.  Harris has been his usual self, a hard tackler, contributing 26 tckls.  Godfrey has been adequate, but by no means great, contributing 21 tckles and a sack.  The real surprise this year has been Sherrod Martin, the Cats 2nd round Safety, who in 2 games already has 10 tckles and 2 ints.  Martin could replace Godfrey due to his stellar performances, but due to Fox’s tendency to stick with the vet, he’ll probably choose Godfrey.  All in all, the Panthers secondary has been much improved over last year, as it was the weakness of many games, including the Arizona playoff loss.

            Altogether, the Cats D really has adjusted to the Tampa 2, although it has taken some time.  Meeks has these players playing fast and aggressive, flying to the ball and making plays now in the past couple of games.  The Panthers D really has given the offense the chance to win the game and has been very good in the red zone.  What is most interesting to me about this D is the new found flexibility that Meeks has implemented.  Although the Cats stick to their usual 4-3 and Tampa 2, they refreshingly have been mixing it up lately, introducing the “Joker” package with 3 down lineman, 2 backers, a ‘Joker’ or ‘spy’, and 5 DBs.  This flexibility has worked because the Panthers have fast players, which has enabled them to play packages like this.  In addition, the D-line also has shown flexibility, moving Pep left and right, Brayton and Johnson inside and out, and rotating players like the rookie Brown.  All in all, Meeks has implemented a wonderful D that has complemented our players ability very well.

Grade: B

Special Teams

          The “Kicking game” this year has been fairly atrocious, but can be attributed to the inexperience that this group has.  Kick and Punt returns have been average, and at times horrendous (I simply look away during punt returns hoping for the best!).  Goodson, although very talented, has not been a breakaway threat on Kick returns and Kenny Moore has not great at punt returns either.  My personal favorite at PR was Munnerlyn, being that he is very shifty, fast, and able to get to through the scrum, although he has a tendency to get nervous waiting for that ball to come down.  You name it and the Panthers special teams has allowed it, a Punt block, kick block, letting the other team have a PR for TD, KR for TD…basically the Panthers ST has been pretty awful.

Grade: D+/C-

Conclusion & Prediction

     At this point, the Panthers are 3-5, but as I have been saying, the Fans have much to be optimistic about, as Fox has righted the ship that ran astray, getting his players playing at a high level once again.  The Panthers playoff hopes are pretty slim now that they have lost to Nola, mainly because the rest of their schedule is fairly brutal: ATL, MIA, NYJ, NE, MINN, NYG, and Nola once again.  The good news is that the Cats play 5 at home and 3 more on the road.  Because the Cats are playing at a high level once again, and are down from this last loss to Nola, I can envision a win over ATL, but am skeptical that it will happen unless the passing game gets together.  So, unfortunately, I think we will lose another to the Falcons, though it will be close!  Fox almost always has his players revved up for a big game, and I expect the Panthers to play big on natl TV versus the Fins.  The home TB game should also be a win, but other than that the Panthers play a pretty tough stretch and I would not be surprised to see the Panthers win only 1 of the last four left mainly because they are a one dimensional team.  Although the Panthers are playing well, they have dug themselves in a hole early in the year.  In the last half of the year, the Panthers will probably only win 2-3 games, unfortunately.  Although I originally stated that the Panthers would go somewhere between 7 to 9 wins, I think it is probably more realistic now to think that it will be between 6 and 7 wins.  I still hold that the Cats won’t win the NFC South Title, and from here on out it is most likely that they won’t win a wild card due to the competition for those spots.  I would absolutely love to be wrong, and the Panthers to go on a mean winning streak and sneak into the playoffs, but am doubtful of that at this point.  The best the Panthers can do this year is try to break even at 8-8, but that won’t happen, it will be another losing season following a great season for the Panthers.  At this point, it is too difficult to tell whether Fox will be fired, but one thing is for sure, and that is that Jake won’t be our starter next year (although I could be wrong, which I would hate to be in that case)….

Prediction: 6-10 or 7-9 season

 

Poll
In the 2nd half of the season, how many wins will the Panthers MOST REALISTICALLY (Mind you) have?
7-8 Wins (Finishing with a 11-5 or 10-6 record)
16 votes
5-6 Wins (Finishing with a 9-7 or 8-8 record)
75 votes
3-4 Wins (Finishing with a 7-9 or 6-10 record)
76 votes
0-2 Wins (Finishing with a 5-11, 4-12, or 3-13 record)
24 votes

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I will consider it luck

if the Panthers finish 8-8.

Jeff “Forrest Gump” Davidson will see to it that we lose at least 4 of the remaining 8 games, so 6-10 or 7-9 is more realistic.

by bwsmith25 on Nov 8, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As I posted in another thread...

We could win the next 4. If that happens, we’ll need 2 more in the last four to have a chance at a Wildcard spot. Of those last 4, the Giants game is winnable (though that might change if they turn the corner) and NO might not have anything to play for (If they lose a game somewhere). There is still a chance at 9-7. But then again, you may be right.

by Scrantsj on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the schedule...

Our next 4 are winnable, but our last 4 are brutal (@NE, MIN, @NYG, NO). So, we are going to have to be 7-5 when we go to NE, and we must win one of the last 4 games to have a chance at the playoffs. (I think the one we have the best chance at is NYG — MIN and NO will be playing for home field advantage at that point in the year, most likely.)

Will we be able to win 4 straight? It can happen, if Gump will learn how our team wins games and call a game plan to let us win (ie — stop letting Jake throw 30 times per game).

I have my doubts we can pull out a playoff spot, but I will keep some faith until we go to NY to play the Jets in 3 weeks. If we are 5-5, then we have a real shot. If we are 4-6 or 3-7, then we might as well put Matt Moore in and see what we’ve got for next year.

by bwsmith25 on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should correct myself...

We would have to win 2 of the last 4 — winning 1 would put us at 8-8 (assuming we win the next 4 straight) — 9-7 is an outside chance at the playoffs, anything less is sitting at home watching other teams play in January.

by bwsmith25 on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At this point...

8-8 still has a chance of getting you in. It’d be about a 2% chance, but a chance nonetheless. To make it sure, though, it’ll pretty much have to be 10-6.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Delhomme didn't throw thirty times by design.

He had to throw during much of the fourth because the defense couldn’t hold on to the lead the offense got them.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The defense did break down

They knew coming out of the gate that the storm was coming. But it didn’t help that the offense scored a total of 3 points in the second half. A TD at the one, or proper play-calling on the drive D-Ranged is raving about, and we likely could have come up with a win. The defense made some key stops and held them to 23, we couldn’t score more than that with our O and that is why we los.t

by Flowing Willow on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fox has said for years that 20 points should be enough to beat any team.

I can’t say I disagree.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 11, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That might be a good general goal

but against the top scoring team in the league? Who is still averaging 37 points after only scoring 30 last week? The offense dropped the ball (literally) in the Saints game

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, the passing reliance WAS by design, and here's why...

going into the 4th quarter, the game was tied. That’s a pretty sweet place to be given our team aganist the saints. Grind it out, chew the clock, and we might just win this one.

We had 4 opportunities.
1st (To open the 4th) – 5 pass plays to 2 run plays. That’s passing by design. – Punt
2nd – 5 pass plays to 2 run plays. That’s passing by design. (Sack\Funble\Turnover)
These 2 posessions were pass-play focused and produced horrible results.

Only the final posession can be excused because of the situation created by the 1st two.

The defense did a good job against an explosive offense, but at some point, after the close of the 1st quarter, you’ve GOT to expect your offense to be able to put a least 7 more on the board over 3 quarters of play. All defenses are going to give up a big play hre and there, unfortunately, we gave up 2 that burned us for TD’s. That does not erase the otherwise excellent performance over 4 quarters. We mishandled our offensive opportunities in the 4th quarter with turnovers and playcalling.

by 12th_Man_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Fox should have known 20 points wouldn't be enough

Put up 30 and they win

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you totally blow two plays within less than a quarter of game action...

It’s not an “excellent performance.” Not by any means.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who said it was 'excellent'? Not seeing that

And your grades would be?

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That does not erase the otherwise excellent performance over 4 quarters

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because holding the #1 offense to half their average isn’t, well, excellent? In my opinion, the defense did all they could to keep us in the game. I mean, the fact that we weren’t blown out as some teams have been means something, if little. If our offense had played half as well in the second as the first, this game would’ve been ours all the way. Admittedly, we did blow those plays but that makes it all the more impressive that the saints only walked away with 23 points on our defense. 14 of those points were errors that can be corrected.

I’d give them an A-.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Half their average?

They were averaging 60?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40

Unless you rather count that last minute fumble but I thought we were talking about the defense here?

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 12, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll win 2-3 more games....

ATL- will beat us in the air and on the ground.
MIA- will beat us with the wildcat
NYJ- We will win! Sanchez is the only QB I know that will go ten yards behind line of scrimmage to throw a pass.
TB- We will win! We own them!
NE- loss. Randy Moss!
MIN- loss. To many offensive weapons.
NYG- Win. By this point they will be self destructing.
NO- loss. Will be battling for top two spots w/ DAL & MIN, they won’t take it easy.

Then I can relax and bombard CAR headquarters with the firing of Jeff Davidson or John Fox!

by pantherfan95323 on Nov 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I think 2-3 wins is way to conservative.

ATL- Hasn’t been as good the last few weeks as when we saw them Push
MIA- Absolutely winnable. They have the wildcat, yes… but they haven’t been able to stop anyone either which is why we have the same record WIN
NYJ- They’re better… but not there yet WIN
TB- WIN
NE- Moss + Welker = close to impossible LOSS
MIN- It’ll be tough to stop Peterson, Farve, Harvin and Rice LOSS
NYG- I agree with the self destruction WIN
NO- With the playoff spot and possibly home field advantage in hand they’ll likely bench alot of their starters WIN

So, from my estimation we’ll finish 8-8 or 9-7 depending on next week’s game.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we don't beat Atlanta

season’s over. 3-6, down by 2 with the head to head and division tie-breakers in their favor, along with the schedule, it would take a San Diego type rally and a Denver like collapse to get close to a playoff spot. And that happens maybe once every ten-twenty years.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 10, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

I’m back baby!

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree James

We can beat ATL (nuff said), Miami has a new QB at Henne, The Jets lost Kris Jenkins and have the rookie QB and they are not playing well so 5-3 in the second half is possible with 6-2 not too much of a stretch.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Let’s get it done!

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get why everybody refers to Godfrey as a "veteran."

The guy is a second-year player.

And unless we win two or fewer games for the rest of the year, Fox and Delhomme will both keep their positions. Count on it.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right MP

Big Cat is very methodical and set in his ways and he isn’t about to let fan pressure force him into making a move he doesn’t think is correct. But he could force a change in Fox’s staff.

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post jkp1516

I was thinking of doing a mid-season grade post and saw yours and thought it was well done.

My addition might be to break down the offense and defense grading:

Rushing Offense Grade: A-
Though it doesn’t seem like the running game has been THAT effective they are ranked 3rd in the league at 153 yds per game. My only criticism is that in a couple of the losses the running game has not come up big when needed.

Passing Offense Grade: D-
The Panthers are ranked 24th in the league which is higher than I would have thought. Through in the 13 INT’s and the D grade might be a little high

Rushing Defense Grade: C
Though they are ranked 23rd in the league I think this phase of the game has improved from a bad start and a lack of depth. Though the Saints did put up good yardage I think they will not be the liability down the stretch that we saw last season.

Passing Defense Grade: B
Though the secondary got gashed by the #1 passing offense last week I think this group also has a lot to be encouraged about. They still rank 6th int he league but I want to see more consistency in making good decisions.

Special Teams I would have to agree is a D. Outside of hitting FG’s they have only had a positive impact on one win this season. This group is by far the albatross of the team.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Overall, we're much better after the bye

We’d rank much higher in Rush Offense and Rush Defense (and probably Pass Offense) if stats were compared over the games of the last 5 weeks — after that 0-3 start, we’re 3-2 (should probably have been 5-0) and have found our run game and plugged the DT leakage with Thomas and Tyler.

So while I agree a First Half Grade has to include all games of the first half, I see a strong uptrend in performance in those areas I mentioned, and if continued, will eventually average us out much higher in league rankings.

Passing Offense would look much, much improved, however, if Jarrett AND D-Will had held onto those 2 passes.

Special teams play still looks anything but special. A lot of talk here about Davidson having to go, but, to me, the one Ass’t Coach who shouldn’t return is Danny Crossman.

by bigdavis on Nov 11, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...Big Cat needs to throw some Big $

at a top ST coach…

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur with your post-bye reasoning.

I’ve been harping to other people that this team has done a good job of regrouping since the 0-3 start. It’s unfortunate that we got ourselves in that early hole, but the schedule said we’d have a tough time early on. I, for one, won’t be rooting for a four- or five-win season.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Saints weren't the #1 passing offense before they played us.

If they are now, it’s our secondary’s fault.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#1 scoring team...and still is

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...its good

and it was obvious in the 4th quarter like it never has before. Very few intermediate routes, short or deep only

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by Jaxon on Nov 11, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Question?

A couple of you mentioned supporting the idea of firing Jeff Davidson. I just have to ask if you really think he is the issue? We all thought Dan Henning had no creativity or imagination when it came to calling the offense when he was in Charlotte. Now look at him in Miami. Can anyone say “Wildcat?” It’s my opinion that John Fox doesn’t want any kind of high octane offense and would NEVER hire an offensive coordinator who runs that kind of system. To me, John Fox is just too conservative, and the team is a reflection of its coach. So my question is, is Jeff Davidson the real problem?

by Cold Steel on Nov 11, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thus far, it would appear that our record could be accredited to neither, or both, depending on how you view it.

Way back in the play offs, last season, Delhomme had a horrible game. Such happens. However, I feel it directly resulted in them bringing in a new QB coach. I remember reading and hearing of how he was going to “fine tune” Delhomme’s mechanics to make him far better than he has ever been before. I’ve also read around here that the QB coach and Davidson were familiar with one another, though I can’t recall their relationship.

We start the season horribly. Many attribute it to Delhomme because of his Arizona game. At first, I did as well. I had forgotten all about these mechanics they were trying to “fix”. As the season progressed, Delhomme continued to play horribly.

Here not too long ago (two weeks is it? I’m not sure) they said they were going to let Delhomme be Delhomme. A lot of people shrugged it off as an excuse. I’ve no evidence supporting it was anything more than that, however, no one has evidence supporting the alternative either.

Delhomme has played as well as he could for what he has been given since those statements were made. He has been on a very tight leash, however, with a very dry game plan as far as he was involved. Delhomme has yet to re-develop that trust that he had with the coaches and, by far, the fans. If his altered mechanics were truly the case, I think he will be eased back into the game plan more so each week and, though possibly too late to save this season, I think we will see him return to “Delhomme” form, whatever your opinion on that may be.

Trust me, this is getting around to your question.

I think neither Fox nor Davidson have adapted to this new “game plan” well at all. They can’t seem to make their mind up if they’re going to let Delhomme play or just run the ball the majority of the time. As I said, I think this will begin to ease in coming weeks.

If they’re going to let Delhomme throw, it need be spread out throughout the game, not with the majority in the 4th quarter. A lot of people think we’re being too one dimensional… I think we’re being two dimensional, one at a time. We’re not getting a nice mix, we’re getting a lot of one then a lot of other, giving us very little to keep the defenses guessing with.

To answer your question directly, I would be much more hesitant to get rid of Fox than I would be Davidson, even if he wasn’t solely to blame. I’m too much a fan and supporter of Fox to dump him off after a bad season that has had its fair share of injuries. If we are in need of change, though, I feel Davidson is very much so more expendable than Fox. A QB coach that accentuates Jake, instead of trying to change him, would be nice too.

Cowher would be the only coach I’d see Fox replaced with at the moment. His fire could light the Panthers up, just as they need be lit.

If Delhomme continues to perform interception free for the most of it, I think we will see the game plan slowly broaden with each passing week as trust is regained, making both Fox and Davidson look a little less… well, incompetent.

That’s the best unbiased view I can give. I still don’t like Davidson, though.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 11, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rip Scherer and Jeff Davidson go back to Cleveland together

Rip Scherer was named the Panthers quarterbacks coach on January 22, 2009 following four seasons as an NFL assistant and more than 30 years as a college coach.

Scherer spent the previous four seasons with Cleveland, serving as quarterbacks coach from 2005-2006 before adding assistant head coach to his responsibilities from 2007-2008. With the Browns, he directed the development of the young corps of signal callers that included Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. In 2007, Scherer helped Anderson get selected to the Pro Bowl after throwing for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns and worked with an offense that ranked eighth in the NFL in scoring and yards per game.

Davidson joined the Panthers as offensive coordinator after two seasons in Cleveland that followed a successful eight-year stint with New England. With the Patriots, he contributed to five playoff appearances, four division titles, three conference championships and three Super Bowl wins as the tight ends/assistant offensive line coach from 1997-2004.

In those ten years, Davidson experienced challenges of every nature in preparation for a full season as an offensive coordinator. His units in Cleveland were decimated by injuries, while his time in New England was characterized by remarkable stability. Davidson met both with the same resolve.

Davidson joined Cleveland in 2005, and his impact was immediate as he molded a unit that helped the Browns end a 20-year drought without a 1,000-yard rusher. Reuben Droughns easily eclipsed that plateau with 1,232 yards behind an offensive line that included three new starters.

He was promoted to assistant head coach/offensive line coach in 2006, and Davidson’s role was expanded after six games when he became Cleveland’s offensive coordinator. Despite having to shuffle the offensive line throughout the year because of injuries, he oversaw an offense that featured tight end Kellen Winslow and wide receiver Braylon Edwards, who produced breakthrough seasons with 89 and 61 catches, respectively.

by bigdavis on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great summarized history of the two.

Would’ve never thought they’d ruin us. haha. No, seriously, pretty impressive, but something just isn’t clicking, rather it be between them and Fox, the players, even management, some things just aren’t clicking in Carolina.

If I were asked to guess Davidson’s resume based on this years performance, it’d probably involve a big mac, fries, and a soda.

Perhaps neither Fox nor Davidson are the problem independently, yet both are the problem together?

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 11, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

The “development” of Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn? Hah. There was also Charlie Frye, another early-round failure.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly.

The Panthers were forced to bring in a new QB coach because our former one (Mike McCoy) was hired as the Broncos’ new OC under McDaniels. I will say that Jake has looked better in his pocket movement and his scrambling than I can recall. Maybe they shouldn’t have been messing with his throwing mechanics, but the footwork drills have clearly helped. As for Cowher, what did his “fire” do for the Steelers as he was busy getting no farther than Fox has in the first twelve years of his career?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Wikipedia.
He became the fifteenth head coach in Steelers history when he succeeded Chuck Noll on January 21, 1992 – but only the second head coach since the NFL merger in 1970. Under Cowher, the Steelers showed an immediate improvement from the disappointing 7-9 season the year before, going 11-5 and earning home field advantage in the AFC after the Steelers had missed the playoffs six times out of the previous seven years. In 1995, at age 38, he became the youngest coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl. Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown.

In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. It has become an article of faith among NFL pundits that the Steelers do not have a bad team two years in a row – they have never lost 10 or more games in consecutive years since the 1970 NFL merger. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.

With the talent Carolina has on its roster right now? I imagine he’d do more than just “reach” the play-offs.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 12, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher inherited more than Fox did

a 7-9 underachieving team versus a 1-15 disaster of a team. We can bitch all we want but I would be completely shocked if John Fox is fired after the season no matter how it goes from here.

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by Jaxon on Nov 12, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve absolutely no intentions of seeing Fox leave, I was simply saying that Cowher would be the only coach I wouldn’t be furious over if Fox, for some reason, was relieved of his duties.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying the same thing

for a while now.

Fox is great, but his football philosophy is similar to his personality: Strong, solid, conservative, and optimistic. Predictable, not particularly ferocious, and unwilling to take risks.

This is on O, D, and ST, and also in FA and the draft.

It’s a fine philosophy, but is it what you want?

We aren’t the Saints (O), Steelers (D), or the Patriots (front office), but do we want to be?

I guess it comes down to the fan’s personality: are you a gambler, and how ambitious are you? Are you satisfied with playoff appearances every other year, or would you risk being abysmal at the chance of something more?

by the bomb dot com on Nov 11, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"The chance of something more?"

You’re talking about a coach and a system who were a single drive away from a Super Bowl.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No offense intended, Steel...

but I’m really shaking my head at this post. Here’s why…

There is no doubting the fact that Dan Henning had no creativity or imagination when it came to calling the offense in Carolina WITH THE PLAYERS HE HAD ON THE ROSTER. You can’t just dream up some gimmicky offense and expect it to work if you don’t have the personnel to make it work. Our draft strategy over the past few seasons has been one of “pound the rock with big guys up front, fast and strong guys behind them, and keep the other offense off the field”. Not to mention the fact that it took the “Wildcat” formation he implemented about three freaking years to start working. After Ronnie Brown had time to familiarize himself with it, and after they drafted players (Ginn Jr., Pat White) that suited that style of play. Honestly, have they beaten ANY team with it that isn’t, at best, average, if not downright bad? (Help me out with that one, all you stat-lovers out there.) The main reason they brought it in is because their defense is so woefully porous that they had to find SOME WAY to put points on the board in a hurry. Our D has never had that problem, not systemically anyway.

And I think that John Fox, or just about anybody else in the NFL, player OR coach, would LOVE to have a “high-octane offense”. Personally, I think that 200 yards on the ground a game is pretty “high-octane”. Unless of course what you mean by “high-octane” is an offensive strategy that involves many, many high-risk plays and formations. Actually, it doesn’t really matter WHAT you mean by that, because without a total house-cleaning, and rebuilding situation, we simply do not have the personnel to have a high-flying, gun-slinging, throw-the-ball-45-times-a-game offense. And I’m not sure, as a Panthers fan, if I’d even like to see that. Fox does what he knows will work, and HAS worked more often than not, which is running the ball, controlling the clock, and playing tough D. There’s nothing wrong with being conservative if you win, which I think Fox has done, excluding seasons where injuries were a factor. It’s a blueprint he got from one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.

I think the blame for the offensive problems we’re having HAS TO fall at Davidson’s feet. I mean, he calls the plays, simple as that. And I know, I know, Foxy’s not just stalking the sideline aimlessly, punishing those poor little sticks of gum he chews. He certainly has some level of input on playcalling and probably the final say as to what goes in. But I’ve got to think that 9 times out of 10, Davidson’s call goes in. Not too many guys willing to stick around if you’re constantly second-guessing and overriding their calls. And we’ve abandoned the run so many times this year, either in crucial, game-ending situations, or in the game as a whole, that it seems somewhat miraculous that it ever comes back. Jake’s performances have given the coaching staff a bit of pause, but with even a mediocre performance from our QB, this offense has proven in the past to be enough. Not Indy or New England by any stretch, but like I said, winning is good enough for me.

The execution and decision-making on the field could surely improve, but it’s the playcalling that has me stabbing my couch with a screwdriver and using curse-words like “whore’s son” and “teabagger”. So yeah. Davidson’s gotta go. But seriously. Good question.

by The Kackalack Kid on Nov 12, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say the Wildcat took that long to work.

We won a game in ‘06 almost exclusively using it against the Falcons when Delhomme was down. And as for good team’s they’ve beaten, they took care of a pair of playoff teams in San Diego and New England last year.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 12, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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