Jets Ground the Panthers 17-6

We have lost to the Bills, Dolphins and Jets. No way we pull out 1-2 wins against NE, MIN and NO. Maybe NYG and TB, but even TB looks tough now. I say 6-10 is the best case scenario.

I think that’s been overlooked in all the finger pointing we’ve been doing this year: Effort. Last year, for whatever reason, this team was highly motivated(outside of some crappy games). Hell, beat writers were commenting on how that training camp was the best they’d ever seen.

This year, outside of the Arizona game, it seems like the team is just going through the motions. What the reason is, I can’t hazard a guess.

I was going to vote Brayton but I wasn’t able to find the game online, so I didn’t get to watch it to make an appropriate pick. Could only follow StatTracker on Yahoo.

Absolutely, the timing is perfect. I didn’t want to see Moore before simply because the competition was so stiff. Tampa is the perfect team for him to debut against.

Though, if the way they played ATL today is any indication, we’re not exactly going to roll over them. They only lost in the final seconds via a major screw-job. (ATL got 8 chances @ goal at the end of the game, including a fumble the refs called a dead ball)

That was my thought process after the Dallas game, oh well…it is what it is.

I’d rather get our own pick as high as possible and not worry about the 49ers.

while taking some looks at young players. Winning breeds more wins, losing breeds more losses and 2nd round draft picks are 2nd round draft picks.
(and besides you know…if we can win out, go 9-7 and then………uh, on 2nd thought, for the sake of my credibility I’ll keep that thought to myself.)

It would seem the “good” teams are getting “favorable” calls to increase their chance of winning to keep the play-off race hot. If a contender gets beat by Tampa, the Skins, or just a bad team, they don’t seem nearly as fearsome, taking the edge off some match-ups that the NFL could otherwise play up as a heated battle.

I think it’s in the interest of ratings, NFL trying to keep the winning teams with good records to make more interesting match ups.

Kind of like how UFC employs fighters with good records (few to no losses) to hype fights.

And you’re saying this is a new development for Fox that differentiates this year from our other losing seasons?

I’m tired of "he gives us the best chance to win"… where…on paper?

Fox sees Moore every day in practice. He probably knows more about Matt’s acumen as a QB than we do.

I can’t buy that reason yet. We could come up with just as many excuses this year. In the end, excuses are excuses – the only thing that stuck was the record and some were just as bad as this one is going to be.

If he puts Moore in and he does no better, how can we even say he was “too loyal”? That will play a major role in the final decision. If Moore can’t out perform Delhomme (as easy as it seems it may be to do) then Fox was, actually, right.

I’m just not seeing enough difference to believe that Richardson would fire Fox.

I’d take Culpepper in a heartbeat. Although, he may not be any better in Carolina until our o-line tightens up.

According to PFF, this year Culpepper has done pretty well when under no pressure, or when expecting the blitz, however not so well when pressured unexpectedly (not surprisingly).

Giving him Double Trouble, Smith, Rosario, and whatever other receiver decides to step it up, I think he’d do great.

I still want a rookie, though, and I don’t see Carolina holding that many QB’s.

but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring him in and draft a QB to sit for 2-3 years and take over

with Troy Smith?

because he’ll never throw the ball

Good points. I still think it was blind arrogance for the front office to just think it was one bad game for Delhomme. His play had been trailing off in the latter half of the season, and it came to a head against Arizona. The front office should have done something to at least challenge Delhomme and make sure that Delhomme wasn’t as bad as he really is.

I am also fearful that somebody will come up with the bright idea to draft a RB or something instead. Still didn’t like the trade for Brown though. The guy wasn’t worth the pick. However if he pans out, I’ll eat my words. If not, I’ll know I was right about him.

but waiting on the draft won’t work because it’s becoming more and more expensive to sign the rookies. The team needs to find a “steal” on the FA market or something… a young guy who could develop (with coaching or whatever) and comes relatively cheap.

You look at an undersized rookie who has struggled a bit… Then you use normal logic to deduct that he will most likely not be a multi-Probowl, DE beast, who even has hall-of-fame potential.

all biases aside, I still don’t see Hall or Tebow developing into much.

All the guys, (X-factor or "potential franchise guys) have huge ? … more so than QBs in other years too, it seems.

If we don’t need a starter next year, I’d look at Dan LeFevour or Rusty Smith.

Of the guys you mentioned, I’d put them at (in regards to our chances at landing them)…
1- Tony Pike
2- Colt McCoy (unlikely to make it to our pick)
3- Jake Locker (won’t make it to our pick)
4- Ryan Mallet (a late round pick at best)

I’m not really impressed with the QBs this year in general… I might be in favor of going with a “ball-control” vet.

I would like to see us get Pike from Cincy.

Sign Dante Culpepper for 2 years and groom Pike for 2012.

Culpepper may not be the same as he was back when he had Randy Moss, but he could be good enough to lead us to 10-6 or 11-5 seasons and playoff runs with Double Trouble and Smitty in his arsenal.

You can’t base your opinion on Culpepper on what he’s doing now, because he’s serving time in Purgatory Detroit.

Does Culpepper have 5 more years of gunslinging football left in him? Probably not. But, he should be good enough to get us by for 2 years while Pike learns the offense and prepares for his role as QB of the future.

is if we sell him hard on the total control aspect — coaches love that shit, being able to have ultimate say-so in personnel, etc.

Plus the hometown hero tactic might work too, considering both he and his wife are NC State alumni and wouldn’t have to move from home since they live in the Raleigh area.