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Carolina Panthers' Monday Morning Optimist- 11/16/09

 

Good morning Panther faithful! Just as the storm clouds cleared over Charlotte; the fallout of a far away storm, so did the air of pessimism and doubt free itself from the Carolina skies. Yes folks, the Carolina Panthers, your Carolina Panthers, are back.

With a 28-19 victory the Panthers restored a lot more than hope in our franchise. This was the first game where numerous players established their confidence. Jake Delhomme was a man possessed, particularly in the first half and for the first time in 2009 found Steve Smith with regularity. The injection of Muhsin Muhammad in the lineup seemed to be just what the doctor ordered as Delhomme was finding Moose for the majority of the yards, punctuating drives with shots to Smith that kept the Falcons' secondary reeling. It was this offensive triumvirate that played with a swagger previously unseen in 2009, and when they were available to support Double Trouble it became evidently clear, we were deep offensively, for the first time all season.

I have plenty more gloating about the team as a whole, as well as some individual breakdowns so join me....

after the jump

Star-divide

As much as the drafting on Jonathan Stewart seemed to be a head scratcher at the time (only from the standpoint of round, not position) Fox, Hurney and co. quietly built the best RB tandem in the NFL. I say quietly because it wasn't until the end of the 2008 season that they started getting recognized. As other so-called ‘tandems' fall off the map in '09 (Johnson and White in Tennessee, Barber and Jones in Dallas, Tomlinson and Sproles in San Diego) Double Trouble remains resolute; the difference? Mutual trust. In all those aforementioned cases you have a clear short yardage back, or home run hitter and an every down back, in Carolina we have two legitimate every down RBs. When DeAngelo is having a sub-par game Stewart steps in and fills the void, conversely when Stewart is beating his head against a wall DeAngelo steps up and gets the yards. Sure, other teams may boast a ‘Three headed monster' to our two, but our monster is ten times bigger than anyone else's, and I couldn't be happier.

On the other side of the ball we have Ron Meeks. If you've read much of the optimist (or any of my posts) the past few weeks then you know I've developed a man crush the size of BoA for our new defensive coordinator. His defense isn't flashy, it doesn't make Sportscenter, but it is effective... drastically effective.  At the start of the season a majority of fans chided his ‘bend but don't break' philosophy, and rightfully so; it appeared that we were allowing vast amounts of yardage, then breaking on the goal line and allowing points. I chose to hold out hope though, and believe that the players were still learning a new system; surely his defense couldn't be this bad? Well, I've drunk so much of the Ron Meeks Kool-Aid that I might as well burst though the end zone wall screaming ‘OH YEAH!' after every 3 and out. We held the dynamite New Orleans Saints beneath their yardage and points averages, and now we held the Falcons below their point's average. Did we give up too many yards? Sure we did. But, without Thomas Davis and an offense designed to target Davis' side we still held. Personally, I don't care if we give up 600 yards per game if we keep teams from scoring, and in my opinion our red zone defense is stouter than I've seen in a long time.

 

Optimistic

Jake Delhomme- Extremely Optimistic: He's back! During the slump I said the same thing numerous times "Jake is the most consistently inconsistent QB in the NFL. You get 4 terrible games, 4 great games and 8 middle of the road games every season" a quote I borrowed from Mark Packer. Looking back on Jake's history since arriving in Carolina this holds true and it seems to hold true thus far in 2009.

  • - Philly: Terrible
  • - Atlanta: Middle of the road
  • - Dallas: Middle of the road
  • - Washington: Middle of the road
  • - Tampa Bay: Terrible
  • - Buffalo: Terrible
  • - Arizona: Middle of the road
  • - New Orleans: Middle of the road
  • - Atlanta: Great

So, by this rudimentary, empirical system Delhomme is due to have 1 more terrible game, 3 more great games and 3 more middle of the road games. History shows that this will probably happen... so let's hope history sides with us. On Sunday, he was dynamic, showing zip on his passes previously unseen, hitting receivers in stride, running the offense with confidence while he barked out various alignments, blitz pickups and audibles. I'm not sure I put any stock in the notion he called his own plays on Sunday, but he made excellent adjustments at the line, more than we've seen all season.

 

Double Trouble- Extremely Optimistic: From their Matrix-esque TD celebrations to their look of mutual joy when each other score our RBs love their role in the offense. I bunch them together this week because they were the perfect tandem. While Stewart was statistically the more effective back, both were dynamic averaging for a Double Trouble 5.8 ypc. Great work from the guys!

 

Steve Smith- Extremely Optimistic: HEY GUYS! SMITTY'S BACK! I don't know if he ever really left, but just as 2004 Jake Delhomme returned to Charlotte so did Steve Smith. The tandem once thought to be one of the best QB-WR pairings in the NFL showed they were simpatico providing two scores. Smith didn't have the most yards, but he was the main scoring threat. It was great to see him again.

 

Muhsin Muhammad- Extremely Optimistic: MOOOOOSE! Was cried throughout BoA numerous times on Sunday, and for good reason! Muhammad was the ‘go to guy' on the majority of passing downs using his big body and sure hands to amass 91 yards receiving on 6 catches. More importantly, his performance opened up the game to Steve Smith, and vice versa. Great game.

 

Tony Fiametta- Extremely Optimistic: Potential nightmares about losing Brad Hoover were allayed with an amazing performance by the youngster. If you don't hear a fullback's name being called, it's normally a good thing. Fiametta proved why he was head and shoulders the no.1 FB in the 2009 draft making the Carolina offense look like it never lost a piece. He had key blocks allowing for big games, and outside of an early dropped pass played immaculately. The future is bright for our running game.

 

Sherrod Martin- Extremely Optimistic: The rookie run continues! 3 starts, 3 INTs from Martin. I love seeing him at FS and it will be tough to justify returning Charles Godfrey to the lineup. I know a coach isn't supposed to take a player's job due to injury, but when you have lightning in a bottle and a true playmaker, how do you justify doing ‘the right thing' when your job is potentially on the line?

 

Richard Marshall- Somewhat Optimistic: People know I'm not high on Marshall. Despite what statistics show, I think he's not an NFL caliber starting CB. That being said, I won't slight him for getting the late interception and playing Tony Gonzalez perfectly in the redzone (even if he should have caught the ball).

 

Jason Baker- Somewhat Optimistic: His punting was sub-par, but I can't ignore a punter who jacked up Eric Weems on a punt return. Weems will be hearing and seeing him get KO'ed by a punter for a long time.

 

Pessimistic

Travelle Wharton- Extremely Pessimistic: Wharton was not good filling in for Jordan Gross. I know it's tough to fill in for an absolute rock and all-pro, but he made some big time errors in pass protection. Thankfully, Jake was getting the ball out quickly or it would have been ugly in the second half. My thought: move Jeff Otah over to the left and shift Wharton to the right unless we find someone, because I don't like Wharton to protect Jake's blindside.

 

Julius Peppers- Somewhat Pessimistic: He's not on the stat sheet, at all. If we are going to keep this turn around rolling we need Peppers to return to dominance. He's dropped off the last two weeks, here's hoping he's back on Thursday.

 

Overall Analysis

I think we're seeing the start of something special. The rest of the NFC wild card hopefuls are self destructing while we are surging. Philly fans are doing their yearly ‘call for the head of Andy Reid', the Giants look worn down, the 49ers don't scare anyone and Michael Turner may miss significant time for Atlanta. Let's not forget, with the win vs. ATL we now hold the cards in a tiebreaker with the Falcons.

I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, because it's a long road... no doubt; and every game is a must win from here out. However, Sunday seemed to be the first time all season where all phases of the game played to their potential. 1-7 to the playoffs in 2004, 0-3 to the playoffs in 2009? Don't say it won't happen, because the second you do the Cardiac Cats are bound to prove you wrong.

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Yes, we can do this...

But how many more injuries can we endure? Jordan Gross is our 3rd superstar to be (presumably) out for the season. While the running game didn’t appear to take a big hit in Gross’ absence, pass protection did start to break down a bit on the left side.

My kudos to Jake Delhomme for finally proving this season that he can still be a starting caliber NFL QB. That said, we still need to find the future at QB in this year’s draft.

On a side note: Armanti Edwards and his Appalachian State University Mountainerrs clinched the schools 5th straight Southern Conference title on Saturday =P

by Tater596 on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Good work

I will disagree with you on Jake. He has had only one good game out of nine so that doesn’t take him out of the cellar from my point of view. I know if he doesn’t screw up too much for the rest of the season everyone will say he’s back, but back from what? He’s always been a marginal player. We need to upgrade at least for next year. I think Pepper’s hand was bothering him more than anyone was saying. It’s hard to be effective with a broken hand. After all that was said I do believe we can make a wild card slot unless we revert back to the team at the first of the year and we will see how that works out Thursday night. I just hope the injuries to Gross and Davis don’t hamper us too much.

by Cwilly1 on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

We definitely have to address QB position for 2010

However if we have to go with a rookie, it would be nice having him learn behind Jake for awhile, and not have to rush in game one. TB did this with Freeman, and the last 2 games he’s had 400 yards, 4 TDs and only 2 INTs, against good teams. Even pulled out their first win.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And marginal is more than enough for us to be great. So long as he doesn’t turn the ball over and completes a mediocre amount of passes, Williams and Stewart are the backbone right now.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 16, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again,

you were too hard on Marshall and Peppers. Peppers was only in on a few downs because of his broken hand, but he still made an impact late in the game. Marshall has easily been the best of our corners this year.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 17, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough on Pep

As for Marshall… I think I gave him props even though I’m not sold on him.

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by James Dator on Nov 17, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

It’s just awesome for me to see him playing up to his 07-06 form.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 18, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Marshall too

But I do think people here are overlooking the impact Captain has had on the team.

by SmithnCompany on Nov 18, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to believe we can do it

but it would be an amazing comeback for the Panthers to earn a WC spot with the schedule remaining. If it should occur not only should we stop the Fire Fox stuff but actually admit he’s a great coach. Who’s ready for that? ;)

another great post James…keep us enthused!

We play Thursday this week fans in case you missed that on the schedule.

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Meeks' system has been a pleasant surprise lately

The secondary looks extremely fast and all over the place. It seems like on most receptions there is about 2 to 4 guys around the ball. I don’t even mind Gamble getting burned trying to jump that route route… When you are playing well, why not take some chances?

Also even though we are not racking up sacks, it still seems like we are getting good pressure, and making QBs uncomfortable. Ryan, Breeze and Warner all looked a little squirmy and often threw a little too early. Tight coverage and pressure is a good recipe.

Now we just need to do something about our running game before we have to face that Miami Wildcat in 4 days!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

What a gamble

I agree with you on Gamble and I think he took a chance because he knew Martin had his back.

by Cwilly1 on Nov 16, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Meeks system took a while to get settled, but

It was still the “fat guy in the middle” who has brought it together. Maake was a big loss, and the Panthers spotted everyone an 0-2 start while they gotthings settled.

by panthersnbraves on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so pessimistic about Wharton at LT

It’s a different technique than playing LG, especially in the middle of a game — after a few days practice this week, I think he’ll show better in games to come. He’s played the position before.

And a TE can be put on his side to help counter the rush if need be. And as I pointed out a few days ago, Gross had given up 7 sacks in the first 8 games, so I don’t see a huge drop-off there.

Rating Peppers as “pessimistic” may be over-critical, too, as he did play with a broken hand (per Beason, not Fox), and even so, had a few QB hurries, almost getting a sack.

It’s Marshall I worry about — granted he made the INT, but it was an overthrown ball, right at him, the fault of Matty Ice-cold Ryan, not anything creative on Marshall’s part. Countering that were the flubbed INT at the goal, and missed tackles before. He’s still a little raw, IMO.

I totally agree with you on all the rest, and would add my being optimistic about the play of Charles Johnson and Tyler Brayton, who between them have amassed 44 tackles, 5 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles. Since Hollis Thomas has come in, our DL is playing adequately.

by bigdavis on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

We might miss Wharton in the run game though

Mac Bern gave up the blocked FG…need to see more out of this guy.

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly...

We might have to shift more of the runs to Otah’s side, at least early in the game. If it looks like we’re favoring the right side, it could re-open the left and help counter the slight drop off in the O-line. It really depends on the game planning.

by Scrantsj on Nov 16, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That INT at the goal line was hardly flubbed

Tony Gonzalez had Marshall by the neck and was ripping backward as he was trying to pick off the pass. I dare anyone in the NFL to try and actually make that catch in that situation. If you can’t see the ball, you can’t really catch it.

I give him credit for making a great play when he was clearly overmatched against one of the greatest TEs in NFL history.

by Tater596 on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It should be noted that Peppers played this game with a broken hand, and only played on obvious passing downs, and only on the right side.

That aside, my only real complaint about this game was the rushing yards we gave up. I really think we’re lucky that Turner went out in the second quarter. Even then, Snelling of all people came in and gained over 60 yards himself.

(Yeah, we did regress in the second half, but we did that all of last year too, so I’ve just come to accept it.)

by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

We missed Thomas Davis for sure.

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

ha ha ha ha

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

We are only guaranteed 4-12

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL James, add me to the list of Ron Meeks Kool Aid Drinkers

Its been fun watching this defense evolve into an aggressive big play defense that forces mistakes.
It feels great to be on the winning side of the turnover equation.
We’re now at the point in the season where the eventual playoff teams start to pick up thier game and distinguish themselves from the pack. I’m very optimistic. The Panthers have the goods to get it done.

by paydirt16 on Nov 16, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Steve Smith made NFLN top 5 catches

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-countdowns/09000d5d8143a0d5/Week-10-Top-5-catches

Jaxon, did you think about me on Smitty’s 2 TDs? ;)

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Last I checked you were completely killing me

I stopped looking…a very Southern Beatdown

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been sucking it up all year

How I managed over 120 points is beyond me.

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, yeah...

and you are still looking up to a couple others as well….like I said, all I want is that #6 seed. Hmmm…sound familiar?

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Flashes of the old Delhomme?

Boy I hope not, otherwise this Thursday game will be pretty damn rough. Hello, Hello from the Unofficial Phin-bassador.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I'll say what I say to all our weekly opponents:

Good luck not having any injuries this week. But that’s about all the luck I can send you.

How bad is Ronnie Brown’s injury?

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Ronnie Brown's injury isn't bad, but he is unlikely to play, especially with such a short week.

Phin-bassador/ Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Big props for the Futurama quote BTW

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

What has your pass/rush ratio looked like

And how has Henne looked?

Obviously everyone thinks of you guys as a primarily running team, and I think you are 5th in rushing??? But I’m hoping to see plenty through the air… Any chance of it?

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No telling what's gonna happen

but Henne’s looking more and more confident as a passer each week (Last Int excluded). And since our backup RB Sheets has absolutely no experience, and Ricky has been splitting carries since 0-3 and is over 30, you’ll probably see a lot of Henne passes. But who will be catching them, I don’t know. Most of the incomplete passes yesterday were on the receivers. Take the first pass, money for a TD and Ginn drops it like it’s hot. But we might just test out Sheets and see what he can do.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably, but I bet there will be more Pat White

But of course, I don’t call the plays.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The Dolphins will go to Pat White and Ricky W quite a bit. The wildat will be used often.

by BIZMAN71 on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap...Brown was my horse in FFL

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

BROWN OUT

Ronnie Brown will miss this weeks game. The wildcat will still be scary for Carolina as the Dolphins will use Pat White quite a bit in this game. Dolphins are a tough team to prepare for on a short week.

by BIZMAN71 on Nov 16, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How's Dan Henning working out for you guys?

We ran him out of town, just to have him replaced with another OC that nobody really likes… And then to see him doing things in Miami that we wished were being done here.

I like to think that your WildCat success is based on what he did here to perfection one game in 06’… beating the Falcons pretty much without a QB. We have never been able to run it successfully since he’s left.

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Some people are defending him

but most would not be too happy if Pasqualoni and Henning didn’t show up next season. Credit for the success of the offense belongs to individuals like Brown, Henne and Williams, and coaching success really belongs to QB coach Lee. He’s the one who really dug up the Wildcat, and made it work. Henning killed us in the Colts game and throughout the first 3 games. You can definitely have him back.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's some consolation

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

*Rephrase:Most would not be happy to see Pasqualoni or Henning again. They suck.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else wonder what rejuvenated Moose?

he played like a kid rather than an old man. i just hope he can keep it up.

lets not talk about a new qb for next year right now. we all know it needs to happen but for right now we need to get behind jake. he finally has his confidence back. lets not take it away now

by pantherpride on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe he just needed a couple of weeks off to recharge the batteries, injury or not.

I agree he looked re-energized and I agree that the fanbase needs to get behind Jake, because he took all the criticism on the chin and even after playing great yesterday was humble.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Moose got my vote

those early catches kept both early drives going…it was nice to see someone else making big catches

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

He was in high spirits.

by panthersnbraves on Nov 16, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because I'm still mad, I wanna inject a little pessimism in your day...

You’re remaining schedule is against MIA, NYJ, TB, NE, NYG, MIN, and NO. They are a combined 37-26 for a winning % of .587. Atlanta has NYG, TB, PHI, NO, NYJ, BUF, and TB. They are a combined 28-35 for a winning % of .444. We’re still one game up. We split our heads up games, so that tie breaker is moot. 4 of our games are at home, where we are undefeated. You are beat up and have a quick turnaround this Thur against a decent MIA team. All that said, very nice win yesterday…

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by NaGaNole on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, the tiebreaker isn’t moot.

Provided the Panthers and Falcons close the season with the same division head to head record (provided we both lose to the Saints again and beat the Bucs) it goes to points for and against. Falcons beat Panthers by 8, Panthers beat Falcons by 9…. Mike Smith’s decision to go for the 2 pt conversion and Elam’s shank could be more costly than ever.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

booo ya!

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And the NFC WC isn't nearly as rough as the AFC Race. You guys aren't out of it yet.

It’s looking like 2 more losses though, and you are dead. And with NO and NE, don’t be too surprised if you don’t make it.

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Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

Long you live and high you fly. But only if you ride the tide. And balanced on the biggest wave, you race towards an early grave.

by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but we’re keeping hope alive. New Englad scares me, but i’m hoping that week 16 the Saints have home field wrapped up and bench their starters.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

With the Falcons and NFC East teams struggling

I wouldn’t be surprised if a 9-7, maybe even 8-8 team slipped in as a Wild Card. I know it’s a long shot, but it doesn’t seem impossible right now.

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

John Fox...

…Even thinks an 8-8 team might make it in. I saw a quote from him today about it.

by Scrantsj on Nov 16, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Eagles got in with 9-6-1 last season

so 9 wins is very possible if the tiebreakers fall your way

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

points for and against

i think it looks at the season totals of points for and against, not head to head. in the 90s, we had that tiebreaker against the packers. so both teams had to not only win, but score more points than the other. i forget the year, but we destroyed our opponent, but the pack outscored us on the season, and we didn’t get in.

by usana_gaines on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nags...you guys just need to worry about winning your next game

just like the Panthers. This whole tie breaker stuff is funny…

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, you need a refresher....
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

   1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
 
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

   1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
   2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
   3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
   4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
   5. Strength of victory.
   6. Strength of schedule.
   7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
   8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
   9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss

Since we’ll assume that we’ll both have the same wins in side the division, our other common games are PHI, NYG, BUF, MIA, WAS, NYJ and NE. Assuming you can even catch ATL in wins, this is where losing to BUF at home will haunt you….

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by NaGaNole on Nov 16, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough

The fact we’re even talking about the 2nd and 3rd tiebreaking scenarios makes this fun.

But, I’m liking the fact Jake is looking like Jake from 2004 and Matt Ryan is looking like Jake from early 2009.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Jake looked much better But the running game looked like last year...

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by NaGaNole on Nov 16, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

On a side note... Bobcats just traded for forward Stephen Jackson

They traded Raja and Vlade to Golden State for Jackson and Acie Law. They are trying to get more points by swapping Raja’s 12 points for Jackson’s 20 he averaged last season.

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by southtunnel on Nov 16, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Yup

It’s a good day for Carolina teams… now if only those pesky hurricanes can do something.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking as a Penguins fan

What exactly happened to the Hurricanes? I understand injuries have hampered them somewhat(Stall and Ward), but otherwise it’s the same team that made a great run last year.

by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You're guess is as good as mine.

It’s just one of those ‘full moon’ kind of seasons. I’m hoping it ends up being a 1996 San Antonio Spurs kind of season where the team has a horrible year when they shouldn’t and ends up with the #1 draft pick.

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by James Dator on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

the playoffs

I think the tie breaker talk is all for nothing. we will finish with a better record than the falcons, 49ers, giants and packers. all of those teams are playing worse than the panthers, and worse than they played in the first month of the season. even the eagles have lost two in a row. the 49ers are also 4-5, and all the other teams i mentioned are 5-4. not only that, but it’s very possible that two nfc south teams get the wildcard births. the eagles are overrated, the cowboys are about to slump, the bears, packers, 49ers are all struggling. i think we’ll finish 10-6 and get in, but we could get in at 9-7 because no team with a better record than us is playing all that well. the saints are undefeated, but these come from behind victories are gonna run out. they’ll still finish 13-3, though, with more losses down the stretch than us, including a loss to the panthers.

by usana_gaines on Nov 16, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

9-7 is very possible still

10-6 would require us to beat two of these three: Patriots, Giants and Saints. I’d give my left…over dinner for a win over the Pats!

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually wouldn't mind a 9-7

We’d never have to put up with any of this “Panthers have never had back to back winning seasons.” Bull**** ever again.

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by Revshawn on Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

about that 9-7

suppose we go 9-7, how does that effect the list of people who need to be fired? i think it would be a hell of a great coaching job if we can get to 9-7 with jake’s start, a new defensive coordinator, losing an All-Pro LT, losing a OLB who was having an All-Pro season, and losing our best DT before the start of the season, and a couple more before our first win. Brees had two more interceptions last night; he has so many more turnovers than jake over the last month. i’d rather have brees for the long haul, one just because of his age, but jake is playing pretty well. even in the saints game, he completed almost 60 percent of his passes with no turnovers.

by usana_gaines on Nov 16, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It shouldn't change whom should be fired.

In a league as competitive as the NFL, you want coaches that can be consistent 100% of the time. They don’t have to be consistent in the result of the games, but consistent in the decisions they make while they’re on the football field.

For Jake, even if he rebounds back to his old ways, I think our coaching staff will take this as a wakeup call and draft, at worst, a 3rd round QB and at best trade into the 1st round to get the QB of the future, if they don’t make a move earlier in the offseason. Then over the offseason they’ll run the story that he’s the future of the franchise, but Jake is the QB of the Panthers and thus his tutor.

For our coaching staff, I think we will get rid of a few guys. The top of the list will be Danny Crossman. The only consistency we’ve had with special teams since he came on board is Lloyd booting the ball into the endzone, which is a product of his natural ability and not of his coaching. In other areas of the game such a special teams blocking, special teams punt and kickoff return coverage, and ect. They have been inconsistant, and while there may be a blunder every now and then, which is excusable, the blunders have been too numerous to blame it on the players themselves.

Jeff Davidson is an entirely different story altogether. He was one of the huge factors that cost us wins against the Cowboys, Falcons, and the Bills for his desire to not run the football. At the same time, he’s only been here for two years. Maybe keep an eye out for a replacement as the season goes along, but if the Panthers make the playoffs it will probably be enough to keep his job. I think right now he’s on the fence. If the Panthers make a dramatic comeback, then he’ll probably keep his job. If the Panthers lose in one or two more games decidedly because of his playcalling on the sideline to the point where players are running up to him and yelling in his face, his job will probably be forfeit.

Ron Meeks is staying. While the Panthers defense has choked a little bit in lategames, be reminded that this is only his first year in Carolina. As he stays longer and the defense grows veterans under his system, the defense can only improve.

John Fox? He’s the best Head Coach our team has ever had, and he’s brought us more success than any coach in the history of our franchise. He’s led us to a Super Bowl, and two NFC Championships. Most importantly, he has the faith of the owner. Foxy and Hurney will stay with Carolina barring a large losing streak of epic proportions.

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by Revshawn on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the coach

other coaches are making fox look good. mangini is killing his guys in cleveland, and he seemed like a savior in new york at the beginning of last year. now rex ryan gives a speech that brings tears to his eyes after a loss, and says he doesn’t know what to do so he’s gonna ask his dad and some other people like brian billick. imagine if fox said he was lost like that after the 0-3 start. we all know zorn is in over his head and mora can’t last much longer in seattle after calling out his kicker and now he sent 17 plays to the NFL for review and said if mashing a QBs throat with a forearm won’t be called, he’ll tell his players to do it, too. fox ain’t half bad.

by usana_gaines on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Great post.

Fox is more than half good.

by bigdavis on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

fire fox

i have been saying fire fox for a while now, but winning changes things…four wins in six weeks helps smooth out emotional fans.

by usana_gaines on Nov 17, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

"Almost" showed up a lot in the game yesterday

Bad – the Panthers “almost” made a lot of tackles at the line, but didn’t.

Good – Peppers and the rest of the line were swarming all day, “almost” coming up with sacks instead of just hurries. Maybe that’ll pick up.

Great – D-Will “almost” broke away like six times in the second half. I was kept yelling at the TV screen “Go! Go!,” but that one last guy at the point of attack would trip him up just as he was shifting into second gear.

The previous two weeks the Panthers played almost well enough to win. This week, they looked like they expected to win.

by panthersnbraves on Nov 16, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

If Thomas weren’t injured, I’m sure a lot of those “almost” tackles would’ve been just that.. His absence is extremely costly and I’m sure teams are looking to exploit that every chance they get. We really need someone to step up at least to the point where teams don’t view it as a blatant weakness.

Could we attribute any of those “almost” sacks to Peppers broken hand and him only being in on passing downs? As his hand heals, hopefully the fire he showed those few games will return as well, picking the rest of the line up again.

And could we also attribute some of those “almost” break-aways to Williams sore knee? Neither back was at 100% yesterday, that’s what made it so great to see them perform as they did. I was really worried that Stewart (who has been performing great even with the sore achilles still hampering him) would be forced to carry the load, relying on Sutton to back him up.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry if it sounded negative.

I was actually going the other way – I think the Panthers could have truly crushed them, but for the above issues. Looking forward to Thursday night.

by panthersnbraves on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I must make the same apology then, I wasn’t trying to be argumentative but simply adding to what you had already pointed out.

Agree’d, hopefully a lot of the “almost” will be “done”.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No love for Baker

After that hit, I expected to see it on Sports Center, but I guess ESPN didn’t bother to spend any time on this game, since they had the late game take up everyone’s interest.

by panthersnbraves on Nov 16, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think ive ever seen a punter rock a returner like that, was quite wonderful

by EyeSack on Nov 16, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen it a few times before...

I think the former (possibly current) punter for the eagles (can’t remember his name) used to do it all the time. It’s rare and the best part is the returner gets chided by his own teammates for getting blown up.

by Scrantsj on Nov 17, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

That's all anyone has been talking about today

BB and his call. It’s pretty annoying.

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by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Still though

The Colts/Pats game still lived up to expectations. Hell of a comeback by Peyton and his boys, even if Bill helped them along the way.

by SmithnCompany on Nov 16, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Smith

was saved by BB’s call.

That 2point attempt was a bad idea.

by the bomb dot com on Nov 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, James

Short week this — better get out the Hump Day Edition tomorrow!

by bigdavis on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking hump day still needs to happen on hump day.

But, there will be a Friday morning optimist this week… hopefully a good start to the weekend!

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by James Dator on Nov 17, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Good enough!

It is a widely anticipated feature.

by bigdavis on Nov 17, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad I read that here, I’d hate to wake up on Friday and begin to think it was Monday upon visiting CSR.

That’d be funny.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 17, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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