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How do we get a franchise QB in the offseason?


There are a couple ways to go about this. One is to hope that someone falls to us in the draft, (we will pick somewhere between the 38th-45th pick). The other option is to trade away that pick with a player or future picks.

I'm leaning towards the former, because I don't want to be sitting here next year with the same sick feeling, (not having a first-round pick). Maybe Pike, Locker, or even McCoy will fall to us. Mel Kiper thinks McCoy is a second-rounder.  Plus I don't think trading anyone away is a good idea.  It's going to take a Jonathan Stewart or Julius Peppers to get back into the top 15 picks, and I just don't think its worth it. I think Bradford will go in the top 5, and people I respect think Locker (Washington Huskies) and Clausen (Notre Dame) might too.  There is no way we can trade the 39th pick and Stewart for, say,  the 3rd overall pick, no one is going to go for that, in real life. Someone probably would go for that if we are asking for the 15th pick, but who is going to be available then that won't be available 20 picks later? So all this "trade Smith, Peppers, Stewart BS needs to stop. This is not how you build a team. Keep your core and build around it.

So what do we do folks?

Who do you think would/should be the next starting QB in Carolina? How do we acquire said player?

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Are there any QB free agents that might be available?

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by southtunnel on Nov 13, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Troy smith

Baltimore never uses him, and He actually won the job last year over Boller and Flacco, before he got sick, so he has some apparent skill.

R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!

by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Southtunnel great minds think alike. Well to a degree

So we want a franchise QB ? Hmm I can think of one that we be available on the free agent market this offseason and he has worn out his welcome with the team that orignally drafted him.

My answer: Jason Campbell (QB) Big Boy at 6-5 and over 220lbs and is just not suited for the Jim Zorn west coast offensive style.

Campbell is going to be dumped b/c the Skins are going to be picking high and they will take a Tim Tebow type guy. They drafted C. Brennan a few years ago (sorry about the spelling) based on his draft status and really based on hype and they are going to do the same thing with their first round pick coming up in this years draft.

Jason Campbell is the man for our offense b/c if Fox stays then Davidson will as well. Delhomme is going to go along with Peppers and Kemo so we will have alot of money to throw at free agent this offseason and we are going to have to be aggressive this offseason with our lack of picks in the draft.

Jason Campbell = Success for 2010 .

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 13, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

interesting ideas

but I actually think nearly the exact opposite of your opinion

fox will stay but it seems like davidson will go (frankly he should… a couple losses can be directly attributed to him)

we might get Jason Campbell but even though he may not work in Jim Zorn’s offense that doesn’t mean he’ll work well in ours… he makes bad calls, doesn’t seem to command great leadership, and doesn’t understand when a play is dead and to take a loss

i also happen to think peppers is going to sign a contract with the panthers as he has really shown up lately in ron meek’s defense; delhomme will stay, whether or not he starts next year as he is a great team leader and will make a superb backup

however, kemo will probably go…he’s getting old and the other DT’s we now have have worked well so far

by vitzeng on Nov 14, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kemo will stay

Hollis Thomas will be the big man out.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 14, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they'd like to have him back...

But at his age, there’s no telling how he’ll comeback from his injury.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake will be the QB

As much as I am not a Jake lover, let me start off by saying that this season is not yet over. A lot is going to depend on the next 7 games. If Jake pulls off another 4 wins, HE WILL STAY THE STARTING QB next year. He is a leader in the locker room.
Maeke will go. Diggs may go too.
Peppers will sign a long term (fingers crossed).
The man to be kicked off is Jeff D and the QB coach. He was messing with Jake’s throwing action. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
Moore will go (better for him), so will Feeley.
We need to draft a QB that falls to us in the 2nd round. Tony Pike or Christian Ponder are both smart QBs with a decent throwing arm (not the best) They can both be groomed for our style of play and will be cheaper alternatives.
We need to draft a WR and Corner. Moose is not going to be around long and Jarrett is the most sluggish of WRs I have seen. Get rid of him.
Campbell is certainly a good QB, but will be more expensive. He will be a consideration if Jake messes up the rest of the season( In which case we may trade up to get Snead or McCoy)

by Indian Panther on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way Ponder goes in the 2nd round.

And Diggs won’t go. He’s too good for his salary to be cut.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell is not HARDLY a franchise QB.

The guy has never been much better than mediocre. As for Brennan, they took him in the sixth round…and he’s been pretty darned good in preseason action. The guy’s a player, hype or not. Oh, and if Delhomme “goes,” he’s going to cost us money.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell does fit the MO of how the FO looks for a QB

Bring in a semi-established FA. Was Delhomme a franchise QB when we brought him in?

by Flowing Willow on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would suggest the two situations are completely different.

Delhomme was a guy who had never really gotten a shot (two starts in his six-year career.) He came cheap because there wasn’t much tape on him at all (outside of Europe and the preseason.) Further, while he hadn’t proven anything, that included the fact that he might be mediocre. Campbell, on the other hand, has now had 44 chances to start NFL games, and he’s been decidedly mediocre throughout. With Campbell, you might think you can make him better, but you also have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell could just need a change of scenery

He has the arm, and potential to be accurate, maybe he just needs to get away from Washington.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 18, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the word "potential"

is so dangerous and misleading… I don’t know if giving Campbell a contract of anything more than 2 years would be too smart

i don’t feel like his inability to play very smart will change, despite the impressive job our coaching might do… working with delhomme didn’t pan out too well either for our coaches (not hating on jake… still a classy guy)

by vitzeng on Nov 18, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kemo is gone time to come to terms with it chinchillas sword.

Kemo doesn’t fit the Meeks Defensive scheme; to play in the R. Meeks defense you have to be lite on your feet, quick and be able to tackle and close even quicker. Our younger d-men are doing fine and D-Lew is grooming them all for when he is gone after the 2010 season. Remember that Leonard, and Irvin will be back from injury as well and Tyler is going to get resigned because we traded a 5th rounder for him in the upcoming draft and their is no reason Foxy would cut him.

Thomas, Hayden and Kemo are gone after this season folks. Peppers could stay but I still wouldn’t say it is a 100 percent chance. It would be great though b/c Peppers on one side and E. Brown has to start opposite him next year should Peppers stay.

Also gone are Brayton, Marshall, and Diggs. Time for Johnson and Conner to play the outside LB spot that Diggs is starting in period. Johnson was brought here to be a starter for a long time and he needs to use this half of the rest of the season to show that he still can or he is going to be released.

Go Cats.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 14, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kemo's experience is something not easily replaced

Maybe his deal gets reworked.

I completely disagree with who you think is gone, sorry. Hayden is a good project at UT, he was being pushed around at the nose, which is not his natural position. Brayton stays, he is a nice vet to have in the rotation at DE, Marshall has been lighting it up this year, see my post on the Pass D. Diggs isn’t in a contract year, plus he is relatively cheap, and Johnson hasn’t shown me anything to warrant cutting Diggs, yet.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 15, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt they're giving up on Hayden this quickly...

They knew he was a project all along, and he was never meant to play the NT position they had him slotted into. As an ERFA, he’s exceptionally cheap to keep around, if for nothing more than camp and to prove he wasn’t a waste of a draft pick. Diggs is not going to be cut. His cap number is barely over a million, and his veteran talents are absolutely worth that, starting or not. I see Brayton coming back, too, at a reasonable salary for his experience and versatility. His motor is infectious for the rest of the DL corps, unlike a guy getting paid quite a bit more. Marshall will be interesting, as he’ll be one of the more attractive RFAs in the league. If somebody offers him a big-time contract, we can’t match because he hasn’t proven he’s really worth that, but we should certainly protect him with a high tender.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

campbell

i think campbell comes to carolina for a workout in february. campbell completes over 60% of his passes for his career. he has a stronger arm and is more athletic and accurate, so he definitely deserves a look. the redskins aren’t even talking about an extension for him, and he has ever had the kind of support from teammates and coaches that he would have in carolina. i think he would be great for us. i also think jake and kemo will get cut. we’ll draft a qb in the later rounds and bring in some other guys to compete for the #2 spot vs. moore. i also think pep will sign a long-term deal and stay, forcing us to cut other people to make room for campbell and draft picks.

by usana_gaines on Nov 14, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Delhomme will not get cut.

It would cost the team money, and he’s a great presence in the locker room that everybody believes in.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

So Campbell’s the answer huh? Even though he’s never had a good season in Washington? I mean, I guess he has the physical tools, but how do we know he’s not lacking something vital from the MENTAL side of the game? If we’re gonna go out and get someone to replace Jake shouldn’t it at least be someone who is OBVIOUSLY better? Campbell has never thrown more than 13 TDs in a season. He’s had only one year where he threw for more than 3,000 yards. Only one of his five years did he even start 16 games. He’s turned the ball over 43 times in 44 career games. I understand that Washington’s had some coaching issues, and maybe haven’t put him in the BEST position to win, but I just do not see him as a definitive improvement. We’re going to need a trade to achieve that major improvement we need at QB if we want to do that next year. I hate to say it, but we may be stuck with Jake until we can either draft and develop a QB, or find a free agent QB at the end of NEXT year.

I say, keep Jake. Keep McCown (who played well in the preseason) as an insurance policy in case Jake’s struggles continue. Draft a QB this year and start grooming him as our starter. Spend the money we would use signing Campbell to sign free-agents that fill our other needs, like WR and DT. Maybe even a DB. Not the prettiest idea I know, but Campbell hasn’t shown that he’s THAT much better.

by The Kackalack Kid on Nov 14, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hmm..

You say you understand his predicament but at the same time continue to bash him at the fault of Washington. In my opinion, he has no talent around him, no support, and an organization in shambles. The “only” season you’re speaking of where he threw for 3,000+ yards is the “only” season he started all 16 games. I, for one, cannot fault someone for something that is beyond their control, such as not getting the start. Not to mention, he threw only 6 picks during his 3,000 yards. For reference, Delhomme has thrown 3K+ yards 4 times in his time in Carolina, with 16, 15, 16, and 12 interceptions. I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Delhomme had more talent to give the ball to a majority of those seasons as well.

I’m not ready to eat from Campbell’s chicken noodle soup just yet but I think he is a very overlooked, and underestimated, QB. Also, I think putting him on a team with the likes of Williams/Stewart, Rosario/Barnidge, and Smith (with perhaps a draft WR, or Moore, or even Jarrett if he can improve throughout the season) around him would do wonders for the guy.

He has the athletic ability, he just needs a solid coaching staff and a team that supports him. Once he gets that, I think the leadership qualities will come. I don’t view mental problems so much a problem as physical, that just requires good coaching. Right now, Delhomme is being just as physically ineffective as mentally.

I’d love to see Campbell come to Carolina but I wouldn’t want that to stop us from drafting a QB as well. I’d love to actually have options, for once, instead of “bad” or “worse”.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 14, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...getting starts is absolutely in a player's control.

If you stay healthy and you’re the best option on the team (particularly if you are a highly-paid former first-round draft pick), you’re going to get the start. Mr. Campbell clearly hasn’t inspired that kind of confidence in Washington, where they’ve been desperate for a QB for god knows how long. Look at it this way: if he can’t keep Todd Collins firmly behind him on the depth chart, could he possibly do the same with Delhomme, who’s actually, you know, been successful in the NFL?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Washington is a mess

Things you take for granted here aren’t necessarily the same there. Campbell had a pretty decent season last year, but still Snyder wanted to bring in Cassel, Cutler, Sanchez, Campbell’s confidence in his employers has to be shot.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's your point?

At $3 million, I don’t give a damn about my “confidence in my employers.” I’m going to do my job. And if a .500 season where you get sacked more than twice a game and throw a whopping 13 TDs is your idea of a “decent season,” we’ve got issues from the opening gun.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why Moore didn’t start when Delhomme played so horribly? Because it was absolutely in his control?

In a magical world, the best player always gets the start because coaches are all-knowing entities with foresight. In reality, hidden gems are often over-looked. I’m not saying Campbell is a gem by any means but definitely worth a look. Playing for Washington can’t be doing him favors, after all. Who’s he throwing to? 32 year old Randle El and 30 year old Santana Moss. I’d argue Moss is the only capable receiver on the team but I don’t watch them enough to bother getting into that.

The only way to get a true comparison would be to put Delhomme in Washington and Campbell in Carolina and see how they perform, which isn’t going to happen, thus we will never know unless we pick him up and see how he does under center for us, behind Delhomme unless he proves otherwise.

I’m not saying the guy is Jesus, Manning, or Brady but I’d certainly take him over anybody else we’ve got on this team, save Delhomme, for the right price.

Delhomme, Campbell, and a Rookie QB would be a fine depth at QB for me.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again someone words my point perfectly.

BTW Procton, if any of us made 3 mil a year we’d all have perfect attitudes and work ethics, problem is athletes don’t always see it that way. You can’t really fault them for getting paid.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't really give them excuses.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Moore didn't start because he wasn't a better option.

Oh, and as for their receivers, beyond Randle El and Moss there’s Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, both of whom were highly-touted second-round picks who have done nothing. Is some of that their fault? Probably, but the passing game is at least a two way street. They’re not more talented than guys like Pierre Garcon and Julian Edelman.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay smart guys whom do you want ?

Kellen Clemens ? Keep Delhomme, Moore and McCown really I want to here who you want on this blog asap.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 14, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We draft one... it's as simple as that.

Jason Campbell is a stop gap solution…. if the price is right you sign him to a 2 year deal and let him compete, meanwhile you draft a kid who can sit behind Campbell and Jake for 1-2 years before taking over the job.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 14, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way you are going to get Campbell on a two year deal Aussie

Come on Campbell is coming into his prime and really I am surprised that you guys hate him so much and give Delhomme and for god sake McCown so much love. McCown as a backup is fine to resign him and not waste a draft pick selecting a guy to be that or take on that role in the near future. Kemo staying man come on, why do you think that we are stock piling dt ’s ?

Traded for LL – staying

Traded for Tyler- Staying

Kemo- Bigger guys don’t recover well or fast from a injury that he had; Kemo is going to be gone.

Hayden- gone and a bigger draft flop than Carstens

D Lew & Irvin – stayin but will need to draft a Granger or a Jeff Owens with our second round pick in this years coming draft.

Campbell not the anwser oh and I suppose that Clemens is ? LOL.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 14, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Hollis Thomas in your stable of DT's?

He may be the oldest one, but he’s still got some game.

by bigdavis on Nov 14, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holty, I already explained about Kemo

Now let me try for Campbell. Who else do you think will want him that he will have a better position than in Carolina? A two year deal is reasonable, it gives him motivation to beat out the guy behind him. Campbell has all the athletic tools to be a great QB, and I think Jake could teach him a thing or two about the mental. I’d rather keep Moore as the backup, as McCown hasn’t shown me much, draft a developmental prospect in the later rounds, and focus on getting Campbell some tools on offense. Someone between Locker, Mallet, and Snead are going to decide to stay, they can be our target next year, along with whoever else will be available, like Case Keenum, Blaine Gabbert.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is speculation that guys like Locker, Mallett, and Snead will come out for the chance at a big contract.

Those kinds of huge QB rookie deals may go away in the event of a CBA extension.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I've heard

But as of right now, Snead is a second or third rounder. If he comes back next year and improves his stock then he could go in the first round, which even with a pay scale I’d think it would be a larger salary than a second rounder’s salary this year.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 16, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Minnesota if it loses Favre would be interested in Campbell as well

Without Favre the Vikes don’t have much in the way of QB’s and they’ve shown that they are willing to draw from free agency when they need to.

by Grime on Nov 19, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone's been reading anything I've said about the QB situation I've been high on Campbell

But, let’s not act like he’s Joe Montana.

No team is going to give him a 4-6 year deal, it doesn’t make sense. You need to see him for what he is, exactly in the same position as David Carr who only got a 2 year deal from us.

He’s a first round QB, who’s underperformed and is going to (potentially) be released after his rookie contract.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 15, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to be mediocre in your prime...

What difference does it make?

Oh, and Jordan Carstens was undrafted, but don’t let facts get inthe way of your argument.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are NEVER guarantees for guys to "take over the job..."

High-priced FAs, early picks, trade acquisitions who have come at insane prices…plenty of “talented” QBs have failed to take a job fully, or at all.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who here lives in SC?

R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!

by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we need to find a franchise QB.

We have a wonderful QB in Jake Delhomme right here in Carolina. He just doesn’t have the confidence to succeed. How about we send him on a spiritual journey to the center of the earth in order to find the Holy Grail, destroy his inner demons, and save Middle Earth from the armies of Mordor?

Hurrah!

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Nov 15, 2009 3:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We HAVE a franchise QB

How ‘bout some love for Jake? Anybody who’s been calling for his scalp the last 2 months man enough to admit he has shown a lot of guts, and ability, to come back from the sub-basement he was in, to go the last 3 games without a turnover, and to lead HIS team back into some contention for a wildcard spot?

If any of you — and you know who you are — had been so castigated in your job, would you have the fortitude and will to right your ship?

by bigdavis on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

4-2 since the bye.

That hasn’t happened by accident.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Up until this game

4-2 sure wasn’t by Jake Delhomme. I LOVE that Jake has stepped it up these past few games, but to be fair up until this last game the coaching staff hasn’t asked him to do much. I will give Jake as much credit as anybody, but that doesn’t change the fact that we need a QB.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 16, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But there is no recipe for it.

And our system is not designed to feature a 1st-rounder/$15 million FA QB. It’s designed for us to save money at the position with a guy who can win games and not worry about anything else. Ask Bears fans how having a “superstar QB” like Cutler is working out for them.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

QB of the future

Might have been a better title to the fanpost because I agree we don’t need a Manning or Brady here. I do think that we need to have somebody we are developing to push Jake for his job in 2010 or 2011. Do you not agree?

by ERL on Nov 16, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

Delhomme’s not going to ride the bench at his salary. They need to bring in a guy who can just sit for a few years (and that might well include bringing McCown back) while he learns the system with no pressure to wrest a starting job until the three legit years of Jake’s deal are up. That was the plan with Carr, who desperately needed to take a year off from the pounding he’d taken in Houston, but we couldn’t get through ’07 with Jake, and our OL let him get wrecked repeatedly all over again.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I think Campbell could be that relatively cheap guy.

Spend a season learning from Delhomme and maybe he gets some of his fourth-quarter mojo.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you figure?

He’s a four-year starter who was a former first-round pick. He won’t be as cheap as you think.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We coul get Campbell for two years

7-8 million. In this system with the coaching staff behind him, I truly believe Campbell could convert the occasional third down, and of course hand off to Double Trouble. Easy recipe for 10-12 wins.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 18, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So you want to pay a guy $4 mil a year to sit on the bench?

They’re not cutting Delhomme.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

QB competition

That way if Delhomme digresses we actually have options behind him.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 19, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Find me a QB who can earn some money even if he's not starting...

And I’ll pay that much for a backup. But Cody Pickett is the only one I can remember suiting up for ST duty.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The $4 million is a sunk cost

Regardless of whether he plays or not he’s making $4 million, so forcing him into the lineup to lose is foolish.

Headlining the Campaign for the return of Ryan Langerhans! MVP 2011!

by RichmondBraves on Nov 19, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vick

What about Mike Vick as your franchise quarterback. Could you imagine the run game your offense could have potentially? I think this makes a lot of sense for both camps

by SteelerFan85 on Nov 16, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

no means no

I like my franchise QBs to be able to pass the ball.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but could you imagine the pass game our offense could have potentially?

Probably not, because it wouldn’t exist.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about prying Jim Sorgi from the Colts?

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by Jaxon on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think they really like him, and he's under contract through next year.

They hardly ever even carry a #3, and I don’t think he’s going anywhere unless Curtis Painter (a 6th-rounder this year) overtakes him, which I don’t see happening. He would be an ideal candidate for a cheap backup who could learn the system, though.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suggest lifting Thigpen from Miami next season

He’s a great QB who got a really tough break because of a horrid O-line, a Terrible D, and a stagnant run-game. If he gets some room, he’ll be a phenomenal franchise QB.

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by Farorefox on Nov 16, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thigpen can't run a conventional offense.

The only success he had last year was in the spread, which won’t work in the long run as an NFL offense.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suggest Michael Jordan…

What?

What do you mean he doesn’t play football?

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 16, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like Smith...

I’d give Campbell a workout, Is Hunter Cantwell a qb w/promise or are we just wasting time w/him. Same ? for Matt Moore. He’s been around 3 years, if he can’t be a game manager at this point, how long will it take for him to b?

Obviously Fox’s view on how long it takes to develop a QB is old school thinking. We’ve seen at least 4-5 come in and perform at at least a decent level in the past 2 years. Jake has no more than 2yrs left in him, I’d like to have another “real” option on the team by next year.

On a side note, I’m willing to let Richard Marshall walk if he wants too much $. I’m thinking maybe we keep Martin at FS and move Godfrey to Corner. Godfrey hasn’t impressed at FS but something about him makes me think he could be a great CB. Thoughts?

by rawjem01 on Nov 17, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree that letting Marshall walk is a viable option.

I haven’t seen too much of Cantwell, but I liked him, although he did play back-up to Brian Bohm most of his college career, except for when Bohm was injured. Bohm is currently playing on Green Bays practice squad. That coupled with the fact that he lost out to McCown and Moore, then we brought in AJ Feeley instead of activating him when McCown went down, makes me wonder? Though he is a rookie and I definitely wouldn’t count him out until we saw him in a few games.

On the positive side, he seems to have a nice deep ball.

People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.

by D-Ranged1 on Nov 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cantwell is obviously a guy they like at least a little.

They’re keeping him around for a reason. Just like Basanez, he’ll probably stick for a few years and be a solid guy if for nothing else than practice.

And yes, we can probably let Marshall go, particularly in that we’re likely to get no less than a 2nd-rounder back from whatever team takes him for us.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But we developed Basanez...

Just to let him take our training to another team. (chicago right?) How long do u keep a qb around b4 you consider him a possibility or a bust. As it’s played out, we should have kept Bazanez and booted McCown and or Moore.

I know u need practice bodies but come on.

by rawjem01 on Nov 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly...

Basanez is only on their PS, where he wouldn’t have had eligibility here.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

An idea...

The thought is that Chad Pennington won’t resign with Miami, but he still wants to play. He’s the efficient kind of QB who could be a good backup here, assuming his health checks out.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

assuming we do get a new QB

which I believe we should, we have no need for another old guy in Pennington… he’s good still but doesn’t address the problem (and the way Jake is playing right now, Jake might even keep his job going into next year)

Jake will be a fine backup, probably one of the best with his leadership talents, and we’d have enough other QB’s after the new one we get

by vitzeng on Nov 18, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, Pennington might complete another mission in the AFC East

and head to Buffalo. Just a hunch.

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by Farorefox on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Delhomme's salary is entirely too high to be a backup.

It just won’t happen.

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by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake's salary

Even Jake knows that his deal is going to be re-worked, certainly if we bring in someone who could challenge him.

by ERL on Nov 18, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to whom?

How are you going to reduce his salary a year after the deal got signed?

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--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it happens all the time.

a player will agree to restructure his deal in order to keep his job.

by ERL on Nov 18, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not the year after the deal gets signed with a ton of guarantees.

He’s not giving any money back.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And you know this because

you’re Jake’s financial advisor. ; )

But seriously, Delhomme is a team player, if he loses a QB competition he’ll support from the bench as whole-heartedly as if he was the starter.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 19, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree.

But how ridiculous would it look for a guy getting close to seven figures to ride the pine?

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--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With nearly every other player in the NFL

It is ridiculous. But with Jake Delhomme, not so much, especially if he loses the COMPETITION. I stress that for a reason, we are not going to bring in a guy and blindly start him over Delhomme, he’ll have to earn the job.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 21, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, no for Pennington

His arm is shot, I think he will retire. And even if he doesn’t, our system isn’t right for him, he needs to go to a dink and dunk West Coast style offense.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 18, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you looked at his MRIs personally?

He certainly doesn’t think so.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many times has that shoulder been injured again?

I don’t think anyone will take a backup with a shot arm he’ll retire after the year.

by chinchillas sword on Nov 18, 2009 5:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But how many times has he injured his arm

and then came back to win the Come-back player of the Year? Pennington seems to get better off injuries strangely enough.

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by Farorefox on Nov 18, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny, he doesn't agree.

I think his opinion is more important in the matter than yours.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I pull that debaters trick on you above, you hit me with it down here. One wonders why I even try.

I’ll assume his throwing arm won’t be signficantly impacted after 3 surgeries, which is a major assumption. But he wouldn’t have much long-term potential, he would basically be a weaker armed, more accurate Delhomme. That’s why I’m in favor of Campbell, he could have a career renaissane here.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

But I really just don’t see him getting the opportunity to play unless things go bad for two years, at least. And that would be the whole length of the contract most have proposed.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again

If he beats out Delhomme in training camp, it’s no waste. And even if he doesn’t, if Delhomme struggle later in the year we have options to go to, something we didn’t have earlier in the year.

by Flowing Willow on Nov 21, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"There is no way we can trade the 39th pick and Stewart for, say, the 3rd overall pick, no one is going to go for that, in real life."

I humbly disagree. I’m not saying we make the trade, but for a team like the Detroit Lions who need a sure thing at RB and a depth, I think they would do it.

Tampa Bay addressed their QB concern last season, I think they would take a young feature back who is a bonafide NFL player.

I guess what I’m saying is that there are numerous teams picking in the top 5 who have a long standing history of draft busts, which is why they return to the top 5. I think most would salivate at the chance to get a sure thing rather than rolling the dice again.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 18, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tampa won't do that.

Not with the money they have invested in Cadillac, Ward, and Graham.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

and the Panthers would not want to face Jonathan Stewart twice a year after casting him off (trading him). But Mike his point is that Stewart and the 39th pick (if we keep winning that may be more like the 45th) might entice a top 5 pick…I disagree. Unless whoever gets the first pick just doesn’t want the ridiculous financial responsibility that comes with paying that first pick.

by ERL on Nov 18, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing to me that a hypothetical, next season thread like this...

can generate almost 90 posts, to date — when this year’s only 1/2 over, we still have a chance at a wildcard spot, and Jake’s not turned it over in 3 games — he IS our franchise QB.

Unless he reverts to early-season turnovers, many from poor play selection, and many more from incorrect tinkering with his mechanics, I don’t see the need for the discussion. But have at it; I’m just venting.

by bigdavis on Nov 19, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it's condemnation of Jake per se

I think more and more people are realizing that between the QB crop entering the draft and the possibility of some solid free agents hitting the offseason of 2010 it’s the perfect time for a team like us to nab a QB for the future.

I would much rather be looking at a situation going into say the 2012 season where we have a QB in the wings who’s had a couple of seasons to learn (ala Aaron Rogers) rather than us waiting too long and being forced to start a rookie immediately.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 19, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as the staff remains the same...

I don’t think you’ll be seeing a rookie start here.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leave jake alone

you got your butt handed to you because your defence Sucked,Panthers took the momintem and the defence lets Ricky run 46 yards to ice the game I think yall should trade for JaMarcus Russell then you could Bitch about your QB.

by bigbaddon on Nov 20, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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